View Full Version : The One thing Kobe haters said he would never do...
HOoopCityJones
03-31-2014, 02:08 PM
He did twice without Shaq.
Win Championships.
That alone let's him crack the Top 8.
Discuss.
STATUTORY
03-31-2014, 02:09 PM
no need to discuss, it's pretty black and white. kobe top 8 at minimum
AlphaWolf24
03-31-2014, 02:10 PM
original thread.
Kobe is Top 5 - 7 we all know this.
moving on.
Legends66NBA7
03-31-2014, 02:10 PM
Can you explain to me how Vince Carter "learned to shoot" at age 35 ?
moe94
03-31-2014, 02:11 PM
Pau Gasol was channeling Shaq. Doesn't count.
Mr. Jabbar
03-31-2014, 02:13 PM
kobe has nothing else to prove
coachbe has, although he is already top 3 behind pop and phil
Akrazotile
03-31-2014, 02:14 PM
Kobe is Top 5 - 7 we all know this.
Shooting guards of his era.
Agreed.
Kobrick :applause:
HOoopCityJones
03-31-2014, 02:14 PM
kobe has nothing else to prove
coachbe has, although he is already top 3 behind pop and phil
:applause:
Basketbolero
03-31-2014, 02:15 PM
Can you explain to me how Vince Carter "learned to shoot" at age 35 ?
What? Who said this??? :roll: :roll: :roll:
moe94
03-31-2014, 02:15 PM
Shooting guards of his era.
Agreed.
Kobrick :applause:
ehhhhh
T-Mac, Carter, Ray Allen, Iverson, Stackhouse
Arguably top 3. Not clear cut or anything weird like that.
Legends66NBA7
03-31-2014, 02:16 PM
What? Who said this??? :roll: :roll: :roll:
OP:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9735315&postcount=147
IncarceratedBob
03-31-2014, 02:16 PM
Vince Carter STILL can't shoot at 35 lol, at a young age all he would do is dunk and therefore never developed his shooting muscles.
Legends66NBA7
03-31-2014, 02:16 PM
ehhhhh
T-Mac, Carter, Ray Allen, Iverson, Stackhouse
Arguably top 3. Not clear cut or anything weird like that.
Missing Wade.
HOoopCityJones
03-31-2014, 02:17 PM
I see the haters detracting...
moe94
03-31-2014, 02:18 PM
Missing Wade.
Wade is so far ahead that I cringed at putting his name anywhere near Kobe.
kennethgriffin
03-31-2014, 02:23 PM
you could make an agenda driven argument in favor of kobe in comparison to any player in nba history asside from maybe jordan and kareem
kobe vs wilt ( kobe was by far a better playoff performer, wilt was a choker, wilt was a ring chaser, wilt has less fmvps, wilt has 3 less rings, 60's trash era )
kobe vs russell ( kobe was by far the better offensive player, won with 100000 times less help, 60's trash era )
kobe vs magic ( kobe was by far the better defender, did everything offensively. magic won with 100000 times more help, waaaaaaay shorter career )
kobe vs bird ( kobe won 2 more rings, same fmvps, but had a waaaaay longer prime and career, did more with waaaaaaaay less help, twice the athlete )
kobe vs shaq ( kobe had twice the career without shaq than shaq had without kobe. won 2 without a goat sidekick. shaq needed kobe to bail him out of game 7s twice for 2 titles in 2000/2002.. and shaqs a journey man who got shat out of every organization. then add 1 more ship )
kobe vs duncan ( kobe was twice the offensive weapon, won the player of the decade awards from nearly every single outlet or magazine, won 1 more title. would never become second banana to tony parker, choking title winning layups over a guy half his size, a nobody when it comes to iconic status compared to kobe, more all 1st teams on both ends )
kobe is probably top 3-4 all timee realistically. he just needs that retirement boost and all the hatred to die off
HOoopCityJones
03-31-2014, 02:27 PM
you could make an agenda driven argument in favor of kobe in comparison to any player in nba history asside from maybe jordan and kareem
kobe vs wilt ( kobe was by far a better playoff performer, wilt was a choker, wilt was a ring chaser, wilt has less fmvps, wilt has 3 less rings, 60's trash era )
kobe vs russell ( kobe was by far the better offensive player, won with 100000 times less help, 60's trash era )
kobe vs magic ( kobe was by far the better defender, did everything offensively. magic won with 100000 times more help, waaaaaaay shorter career )
kobe vs bird ( kobe won 2 more rings, same fmvps, but had a waaaaay longer prime and career, did more with waaaaaaaay less help, twice the athlete )
kobe vs shaq ( kobe had twice the career without shaq than shaq had without kobe. won 2 without a goat sidekick. shaq needed kobe to bail him out of game 7s twice for 2 titles in 2000/2002.. and shaqs a journey man who got shat out of every organization. then add 1 more ship )
kobe vs duncan ( kobe was twice the offensive weapon, won the player of the decade awards from nearly every single outlet or magazine, won 1 more title. would never become second banana to tony parker, choking title winning layups over a guy half his size, a nobody when it comes to iconic status compared to kobe, more all 1st teams on both ends )
kobe is probably top 3-4 all timee realistically. he just needs that retirement boost and all the hatred to die off
Thread. :pimp:
Andrei89
03-31-2014, 05:56 PM
Let us put it like this. I highly doubt Kirby would win any championships if he had Wade`s cast from 2003 till 2010 or Lebrons cast from 2003 to 2010.
Too inefficient that chucker and not as clutch as people claim. In fact, he is nowhere near clutch unless you count Artest getting the winning cutbacks.
ArbitraryWater
03-31-2014, 06:03 PM
you could make an agenda driven argument in favor of kobe in comparison to any player in nba history asside from maybe jordan and kareem
kobe vs wilt ( kobe was by far a better playoff performer, wilt was a choker, wilt was a ring chaser, wilt has less fmvps, wilt has 3 less rings, 60's trash era )
kobe vs russell ( kobe was by far the better offensive player, won with 100000 times less help, 60's trash era )
kobe vs magic ( kobe was by far the better defender, did everything offensively. magic won with 100000 times more help, waaaaaaay shorter career )
kobe vs bird ( kobe won 2 more rings, same fmvps, but had a waaaaay longer prime and career, did more with waaaaaaaay less help, twice the athlete )
kobe vs shaq ( kobe had twice the career without shaq than shaq had without kobe. won 2 without a goat sidekick. shaq needed kobe to bail him out of game 7s twice for 2 titles in 2000/2002.. and shaqs a journey man who got shat out of every organization. then add 1 more ship )
kobe vs duncan ( kobe was twice the offensive weapon, won the player of the decade awards from nearly every single outlet or magazine, won 1 more title. would never become second banana to tony parker, choking title winning layups over a guy half his size, a nobody when it comes to iconic status compared to kobe, more all 1st teams on both ends )
kobe is probably top 3-4 all timee realistically. he just needs that retirement boost and all the hatred to die off
the shaq argument seems by far the weakest.
anyway, you just totally convinced me man, that dude kobe is a bad man, top 3, right behind jordan/kareem.
He did twice without Shaq.
Win Championships.
That alone let's him crack the Top 8.
Discuss.
Going by that thought, LeBron has the same number of rings and has more MVPs which means he's ahead of Kobe.
J Shuttlesworth
03-31-2014, 06:09 PM
Kobe is simply a 2FMVP kind of player, that's his ceiling. He's 1/3rd of the player Jordan was
Going by that thought, LeBron has the same number of rings and has more MVPs which means he's ahead of Kobe.
Nobody is debating this.
DonDadda59
03-31-2014, 06:11 PM
Nothing John Havlicek didn't do, and he has 8 championships to his name. Top 3 all time? :confusedshrug:
ArbitraryWater
03-31-2014, 06:12 PM
The ultra kobe stans ala hoopcity jones, droid, alpha wolf, branslowski, all seem to have kobe top 5-8...
then kenneth griffin comes in and puts him 3rd.... nice. new level of stanning :lol
I don't overly rely on accolades rank players because I think there is very thin separation among the top 50 players. Players that played for great front offices gravitate to the top of the list if too much importance is put on titles.
Personally I have Kobe in the 7-13 range along with Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, LeBron, West, Big O.
I don't think it is crazy to put him in the borderline top 5 but I think it is a stretch. However, I don't think it is a stretch to have closer to top 15.
Overall I feel he is closer to top 5 than 15 but I feel a lot of the top 20 players could of duplicated his results playing for a GOAT front office.
you could make an agenda driven argument in favor of kobe in comparison to any player in nba history asside from maybe jordan and kareem
kobe vs wilt ( kobe was by far a better playoff performer, wilt was a choker, wilt was a ring chaser, wilt has less fmvps, wilt has 3 less rings, 60's trash era )
kobe vs russell ( kobe was by far the better offensive player, won with 100000 times less help, 60's trash era )
kobe vs magic ( kobe was by far the better defender, did everything offensively. magic won with 100000 times more help, waaaaaaay shorter career )
kobe vs bird ( kobe won 2 more rings, same fmvps, but had a waaaaay longer prime and career, did more with waaaaaaaay less help, twice the athlete )
kobe vs shaq ( kobe had twice the career without shaq than shaq had without kobe. won 2 without a goat sidekick. shaq needed kobe to bail him out of game 7s twice for 2 titles in 2000/2002.. and shaqs a journey man who got shat out of every organization. then add 1 more ship )
kobe vs duncan ( kobe was twice the offensive weapon, won the player of the decade awards from nearly every single outlet or magazine, won 1 more title. would never become second banana to tony parker, choking title winning layups over a guy half his size, a nobody when it comes to iconic status compared to kobe, more all 1st teams on both ends )
kobe is probably top 3-4 all timee realistically. he just needs that retirement boost and all the hatred to die off
Kobe never dominated the league relative to the above players. His longevity is a benefit of modern era medical science. Going forward players will have longer careers. I mean his knee problems from a few seasons ago would of been very problematic just a decade prior.
SwayDizzle
03-31-2014, 06:32 PM
kobe's 2012-2013 season propelled him to the number 6 spot. if he wins another ring, he cracks top 5
false. I said he won't win the western conference championship and the eastern conference championship in the same season and he has yet to prove me wrong
strike first
03-31-2014, 06:42 PM
Who is Kobe?
Akrazotile
03-31-2014, 06:46 PM
The ultra kobe stans ala hoopcity jones, droid, alpha wolf, branslowski, all seem to have kobe top 5-8...
then kenneth griffin comes in and puts him 3rd.... nice. new level of stanning :lol
Literally upped the ante of his other gimmicks with that gimmick :eek:
bballnoob1192
03-31-2014, 07:39 PM
jordan
kareem
russell
magic
shaq
kobe
bird
duncan
wilt
lebron (still can move up, and prolly will if he wins this year, also pushes hakeem out of the top 10.)
Will KD be able to push out someone when its all said and done? maybe wilt?
TheMarkMadsen
03-31-2014, 07:42 PM
Kobe never dominated the league relative to the above players. His longevity is a benefit of modern era medical science. Going forward players will have longer careers. I mean his knee problems from a few seasons ago would of been very problematic just a decade prior.
Modern. Era. Medical. Science
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DjRGRVs3q1k/URvfEWlAxPI/AAAAAAAAAFM/YtX44tk43J8/s1600/Brandon+Roy.jpg
http://voices.suntimes.com/wp-content/uploads/import//53120-derrick-rose-chicago.jpg
http://www.hardwooddiva.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Russell-Westbrook.jpg
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0529/nba_a_amare11_576.jpg
http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/08/greg-oden-hands-together.jpg
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/08/21/082113-tracy-mcgrady-primary-1.jpg
worked out well for these guys
The-Legend-24
03-31-2014, 07:48 PM
Haters have moved on to, Kobe can't win without Fisher or Bynum. :roll:
Haters have moved on to, Kobe can't win without Fisher or Bynum. :roll:
how many championships does he have without fisher?
3LiftHeatCurse
03-31-2014, 07:51 PM
kobe has nothing else to prove
coachbe has, although he is already top 3 behind pop and phil
Pat Riley played for the Lakers and won a ring in 1972 as a player.
The-Legend-24
03-31-2014, 07:51 PM
how many championships does he have without fisher?
See. :oldlol:
TheMarkMadsen
03-31-2014, 07:52 PM
how many championships does he have without fisher?
none but to be fair, Fisher is on a team with the 2nd best record in the league and with his play his team is expected to make the finals and possibly win it.
Kobe isn't Fisher, Fisher is about to be putting rings on both hands..
thought so. looks like kobe cant win without fisher after all
none but to be fair, Fisher is on a team with the 2nd best record in the league and with his play his team is expected to make the finals and possibly win it.
Kobe isn't Fisher, Fisher is about to be putting rings on both hands..
yeah dont worry bro lebron has yet to win without chalmers
Modern. Era. Medical. Science
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DjRGRVs3q1k/URvfEWlAxPI/AAAAAAAAAFM/YtX44tk43J8/s1600/Brandon+Roy.jpg
http://voices.suntimes.com/wp-content/uploads/import//53120-derrick-rose-chicago.jpg
http://www.hardwooddiva.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Russell-Westbrook.jpg
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0529/nba_a_amare11_576.jpg
http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2012/08/greg-oden-hands-together.jpg
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/08/21/082113-tracy-mcgrady-primary-1.jpg
worked out well for these guys
They were able to come back from what used to be career ending injuries. Kobe's longevity would not benefit him in the 80s so why use it in comparison to Bird and Magic???
T_L_P
03-31-2014, 08:20 PM
kobe's 2012-2013 season propelled him to the number 6 spot. if he wins another ring, he cracks top 5
Leading Pau, Dwight and Nash to the 7th seed whilst playing no D takes you up in the list?
Kobe never dominated the league relative to the above players.
wilt
russell
magic
bird
shaq
duncan
won more rings and scored more points
than everyone on this list xc russell
not saying he's up there but
damn how is this true
scored more points than the greatest scorer of the 60s
has more rings than bird and wilt put together
most rings of his era - repeats 3peats
someone please explain
what else is there
my bad
there's a tie or two
T_L_P
03-31-2014, 08:30 PM
you could make an agenda driven argument in favor of kobe in comparison to any player in nba history asside from maybe jordan and kareem
kobe vs wilt ( kobe was by far a better playoff performer, wilt was a choker, wilt was a ring chaser, wilt has less fmvps, wilt has 3 less rings, 60's trash era )
kobe vs russell ( kobe was by far the better offensive player, won with 100000 times less help, 60's trash era )
kobe vs magic ( kobe was by far the better defender, did everything offensively. magic won with 100000 times more help, waaaaaaay shorter career )
kobe vs bird ( kobe won 2 more rings, same fmvps, but had a waaaaay longer prime and career, did more with waaaaaaaay less help, twice the athlete )
kobe vs shaq ( kobe had twice the career without shaq than shaq had without kobe. won 2 without a goat sidekick. shaq needed kobe to bail him out of game 7s twice for 2 titles in 2000/2002.. and shaqs a journey man who got shat out of every organization. then add 1 more ship )
kobe vs duncan ( kobe was twice the offensive weapon, won the player of the decade awards from nearly every single outlet or magazine, won 1 more title. would never become second banana to tony parker, choking title winning layups over a guy half his size, a nobody when it comes to iconic status compared to kobe, more all 1st teams on both ends )
kobe is probably top 3-4 all timee realistically. he just needs that retirement boost and all the hatred to die off
Almost all of these arguments could be flipped to say x player is better than Kobe :facepalm
:oldlol: at Kobe being twice the offensive option Duncan was. The two are separated by a few points and assists but Kobe was holding the ball a lot more. Duncan is, however, twice the defensive option.
Solefade
03-31-2014, 08:48 PM
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/43669927.jpg
3LiftHeatCurse
03-31-2014, 09:03 PM
wilt
russell
magic
bird
shaq
duncan
won more rings and scored more points
than everyone on this list xc russell
not saying he's up there but
damn how is this true
scored more points than the greatest scorer of the 60s
has more rings than bird and wilt put together
most rings of his era - repeats 3peats
someone please explain
what else is there
Scoring more points = playing more games
That doesn't mean you are a better scorer. Go look up PPG. That shows you who scored more PER GAME.
Using your logic, an average player who scores 15 PPG, but plays 40 years in the NBA, would score 49,000 points. In your logic, he be better than the guy who plays 13 years, but scored 32,000 in those short 13 years.
Kobe is not a better scorer than those players on your list.
riseagainst
04-01-2014, 10:58 AM
how many championships does he have without fisher?
how many championships does he have without championships?
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