Why is Kobe s choke performance in 2011 playoffs so underrated?

[livinglegend]

His Lakers were the favorites against the Mavs. They were the defending champs and many atleast expected to make it to the finals. They get sweep by the Mavs.
He averaged 17 ppg with less than 45% FG in the 2 games of the series. Apart from the first game, he was terrible. He couldnt defend Terry or Barea. Why is his choke job in that year so underrated?

[IncarceratedBob]

Only Birds Celtics have made the Finals 4 years in a row, the Lakers were exhausted mentally and physically.

[tmacattack33]

He sucked that whole year, it was no surprise.

[Milbuck]

Because it wasn't as bad as Lebron's choke performance. And he didn't have a Finals MVP caliber player to take a ton of pressure off like 27/7/5 Wade did for Lebron.

[tpols]

Because it wasn't as bad as Lebron's choke performance. And he didn't have a Finals MVP caliber player to take a ton of pressure off like 27/7/5 Wade did for Lebron.

Huh ?? He had Pau Gasol for christs sake


12/9 on 42% shooting :bowdown:

[tmacattack33]

Because it wasn't as bad as Lebron's choke performance. And he didn't have a Finals MVP caliber player to take a ton of pressure off like 27/7/5 Wade did for Lebron.

Mark Cuban already stated that Lebron was the focal point of their defense in the Finals. Sorry.

[Milbuck]

Mark Cuban already stated that Lebron was the focal point of their defense in the Finals. Sorry.
Ok?

I really hope you're not suggesting that Wade didn't take any pressure off Lebron. That's the whole ****ing reason Lebron went to Miami, and Wade held his end of the deal that series.

[Genaro]

Kobe was playing on one leg. He clearly wasn't himself phisically that year.

[DMV2]

People talk about that Mavs destroying LeBron but he was the one who bounced back and was able to build a bigger legacy.

The Lakers never recovered from that Dallas sweep. Bynum went from a potential #1 center in the game to the new Mr. Glass. Lamar started smoking crack. Kobe begged front office to build a Big 4(Kobe, DH12, Nash, Pau) and it backfired, now Kobe can't even walk anymore. Pau washed up. Phil retired, lost his damn mind and went to work with the Knicks.

2011 Mavs = Laker-slayers

[DMAVS41]

He deserves a pass for the most part.

He was hurt and tired and his team around him had dipped a little.

Just naturally happens.

[Mr. Jabbar]

:facepalm

[Levity]

Kobes knees were butt fvcked at that point. Phil already had him sitting out of most practices during the second part of the season. Add that to the fact that the lakers played with almost no intensity, and Peja coming alive for the first time in years.

It was a story book finish for the mavs that year.

[russwest0]

Huh ?? He had Pau Gasol for christs sake


12/9 on 42% shooting :bowdown:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Levity]

Bynum went from a potential #1 center in the game to the new Mr. Glass.



Bynums best season and the only time he was considered to some as 1b to Dwight, was the season folllowing the dallas sweep, his first healthy season.

[DMV2]

Bynums best season and the only time he was considered to some as 1b to Dwight, was the season folllowing the dallas sweep, his first healthy season.
You're right, lockout year was his coming out season. Though, I think everybody saw it coming during 2010-11 when he was gonna take over Pau as their #1 big.

[AKA AAP 23]

Kobe has made a career of choking:
-clutch stats in ANY context (last 5 mins of a close game, game winning shot %, game tying shot %)
-NBA Finals stats
-teammates bailing him out all the time.

In terms of his playoff choke performances, there are quite a few series to choose from. They are ALL extremely underrated. I think one of the most underrated ones has to be against the Pistons in the 2004 NBA Finals.

5 games, 113 FGA (23.6 per game) @ 38% shooting and less than 3 rebounds per game, and less than 4.5 assists per game. Aside from his mediocre career NBA Finals FG%, this series sticks out because all he needed to do was feed the ball to Shaq. That's it. Detroit had no answer for Shaq, he just dunked on the entire team pretty much every chance he got. Shaq averaged 27/11 on 63% shooting, unfortunately Kobe couldn't complete the task of just playing his usual sidekick role. Shaq averaged LESS than 17 FGA's per game, because Kobe wanted to prove something. In the end, all he proved was to be the biggest and most underrated choke artist of the century.

[BlackVVaves]

His Lakers were the favorites against the Mavs. They were the defending champs and many atleast expected to make it to the finals. They get sweep by the Mavs.
He averaged 17 ppg with less than 45% FG in the 2 games of the series. Apart from the first game, he was terrible. He couldnt defend Terry or Barea. Why is his choke job in that year so underrated?

He was playing injured for most of the season, and his knees just gave out by the second round.

[Milbuck]

Kobe has made a career of choking:
-clutch stats in ANY context (last 5 mins of a close game, game winning shot %, game tying shot %)
-NBA Finals stats
-teammates bailing him out all the time.

In terms of his playoff choke performances, there are quite a few series to choose from. They are ALL extremely underrated. I think one of the most underrated ones has to be against the Pistons in the 2004 NBA Finals.

5 games, 113 FGA (23.6 per game) @ 38% shooting and less than 3 rebounds per game, and less than 4.5 rebounds per game. Aside from his mediocre career NBA Finals FG%, this series sticks out because all he needed to do was feed the ball to Shaq. That's it. Detroit had no answer for Shaq, he just dunked on the entire team pretty much every chance he got. Shaq averaged 27/11 on 63% shooting, unfortunately Kobe couldn't complete the task of just playing his usual sidekick role. Shaq averaged LESS than 17 FGA's per game, because Kobe wanted to prove something. In the end, all he proved was to be the biggest and most underrated choke artist of the century.
Alt.

[SexSymbol]

His Lakers were the favorites against the Mavs. They were the defending champs and many atleast expected to make it to the finals. They get sweep by the Mavs.
He averaged 17 ppg with less than 45% FG in the 2 games of the series. Apart from the first game, he was terrible. He couldnt defend Terry or Barea. Why is his choke job in that year so underrated?
Coz he was severely injured, barely got ANY lift at all on shots/lay-ups. Besides those two dunks in NOH series I don't even remember him dunking at all that year, of course he had some dunks, but nothing too memorable. He had a severely ****ed up knee and a severely sprained ankle that he still played through. His performance was pretty good given the health circumstances.

[IncarceratedBob]

Kobe has made a career of choking:
-clutch stats in ANY context (last 5 mins of a close game, game winning shot %, game tying shot %)
-NBA Finals stats
-teammates bailing him out all the time.

In terms of his playoff choke performances, there are quite a few series to choose from. They are ALL extremely underrated. I think one of the most underrated ones has to be against the Pistons in the 2004 NBA Finals.

5 games, 113 FGA (23.6 per game) @ 38% shooting and less than 3 rebounds per game, and less than 4.5 assists per game. Aside from his mediocre career NBA Finals FG%, this series sticks out because all he needed to do was feed the ball to Shaq. That's it. Detroit had no answer for Shaq, he just dunked on the entire team pretty much every chance he got. Shaq averaged 27/11 on 63% shooting, unfortunately Kobe couldn't complete the task of just playing his usual sidekick role. Shaq averaged LESS than 17 FGA's per game, because Kobe wanted to prove something. In the end, all he proved was to be the biggest and most underrated choke artist of the century.

It's called the law of diminishing returns. Shaq wasn't going to beat the Pistons by himself, at best IMO he would average 35 points while still shooting a real high percentage on the floor. The reason the Lakers lost was because they had no other real scoring options on the team, just Kobe and Shaq. Pistons were the better team. Give them some damn credit.

[AKA AAP 23]

It's called the law of diminishing returns. Shaq wasn't going to beat the Pistons by himself, at best IMO he would average 35 points while still shooting a real high percentage on the floor. The reason the Lakers lost was because they had no other real scoring options on the team, just Kobe and Shaq. Pistons were the better team. Give them some damn credit.

You must of missed that series. Shaq alone would of beaten that team. Can you explain the FGA discrepancy of less than 17 per @ 63% vs 23 per @ 38%? Replace Kobe in that series with just about every SG or SF today, and the Lakers win.

[IncarceratedBob]

You must of missed that series. Shaq alone would of beaten that team. Can you explain the FGA discrepancy of less than 17 per @ 63% vs 23 per @ 38%? Replace Kobe in that series with just about every SG or SF today, and the Lakers win.
Look at Tayshauns defensive stats that year, opposing players shot 39% for the ENTIRE season, anyone aside from peak MJ wasn't gonna have a good series against the 04 Pistons, they were talented and hungry. Shaq wasn't gonna score 50 a game which is what the Lakers needed to beat the Pistons that year. Instead of attacking Kobe, why not give credit where credit is due? 04 Pistons is easily the best defensive team of the post merger era.

[AKA AAP 23]

Look at Tayshauns defensive stats that year, opposing players shot 39% for the ENTIRE season, anyone aside from peak MJ wasn't gonna have a good series against the 04 Pistons, they were talented and hungry. Shaq wasn't gonna score 50 a game which is what the Lakers needed to beat the Pistons that year. Instead of attacking Kobe, why not give credit where credit is due? 04 Pistons is easily the best defensive team of the post merger era.

So you are assuming that 28 other teams had a center that was averaging 27/11 on 63% shooting while drawing all the defensive attention and putting them in foul trouble?

[AKA AAP 23]

And you still dodged the FGA discrepancy b/w Kobe and Shaq that series. But while dodging it, you pointed out Tayshaun's great defense. Shouldn't that make the FGA discrepancy even worse?

Kobe groupies NEVER make any sense. This is why 99% of them are making $8/hr in real life, outside this messageboard.

/argument

Reason: the facts were stated.

[JT123]

That injured knee excuse is a bunch of BS. If Kobe was healthy enough to be on the court then that is all I need to know. At the end of the day, there is no excuse for a supposed all time great player to be outscored by 4'10 JJ Barea in an elimination game. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[BlackVVaves]

That injured knee excuse is a bunch of BS. If Kobe was healthy enough to be on the court then that is all I need to know. At the end of the day, there is no excuse for a supposed all time great player to be outscored by 4'10 JJ Barea in an elimination game. :roll: :roll: :roll:

What about a supposed all time great in his prime being out scored by Jason Terry in a Finals series?

Mhmm. Perhaps you should refrain from being an oblivious Bron stan.

[TheMarkMadsen]

That injured knee excuse is a bunch of BS. If Kobe was healthy enough to be on the court then that is all I need to know. At the end of the day, there is no excuse for a supposed all time great player to be outscored by 4'10 JJ Barea in an elimination game. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe was injured, old, coming off of 3 straight finals, 2 FMVPs and an Olympics with a cast of players who were also old, injured and tired..


At the end of the day, there is no excuse for a supposed all time great player to be outscored by 4'10 JJ Barea in an elimination game. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Game 6 2011 Finals

Jason Terry: 27 points

Lebron: 21 points

:roll:

Series average:

Terry: 18ppg

Lebron: 17.8ppg

Prime Bron outscored by a bench player in the NBA finals over the entire series

[riseagainst]

What about a supposed all time great in his prime being out scored by Jason Terry in a Finals series?

Mhmm. Perhaps you should refrain from being an oblivious Bron stan.

omg JT123 getting destroyed.

:roll: :roll:



and OP, thread backfire.

:lol

[theoneneo]

Because of this guy
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.130816.1313975287!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/amd-lebron-james-reacts-jpg.jpg

[JohnFreeman]

Mavs gave him a taste of rape

[Jlamb47]

His Lakers were the favorites against the Mavs. They were the defending champs and many atleast expected to make it to the finals. They get sweep by the Mavs.
He averaged 17 ppg with less than 45% FG in the 2 games of the series. Apart from the first game, he was terrible. He couldnt defend Terry or Barea. Why is his choke job in that year so underrated?

Miami was favorite against Mavs as well lol
Lebron was closer to his prime while Kobe was older after a 2peat. and going to the finals 3 years in a row while being hurt at the same time.
Now lets explain how Lebron dissappeared in the Finals while Wade was HOOPING his ass off.

[Jlamb47]

Mavs gave him a taste of rape

Lebron got his man hood taken by the Mavs he was the one raped son.

[JohnFreeman]

Lebron got his man hood taken by the Mavs he was the one raped son.
Finals > second round

[Jlamb47]

Finals > second round

Lol your right
thats why Lebrons was a bigger choke
He made it all the way to CHOKE when pressure hit him
he was scared and didnt even wanna dribble that serieis. He passed the ball up like a role player.

[chazzy]

Bron stans should just avoid all discussions involving the 2011 Mavs

[Bandito]

Why are people responding to fggt troll op is beyond me.

[Akrazotile]

Only Birds Celtics have made the Finals 4 years in a row, the Lakers were exhausted mentally and physically.


Not for long.

[Doctor Rivers]

for long.

fixed

[DMAVS41]

Bron stans should just avoid all discussions involving the 2011 Mavs

So true.

I love how Spo and the Heat last year were talking about the Spurs as their toughest opponent.

I swear...the basketball world has just forgotten about the 11 finals.

It was only 3 years ago people...and we saw one of the best players ever get outplayed by ****ing Jason Terry in the biggest series of his career!

And people are making threads about Kobe choking? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[branslowski]

We still on 2011??? Haters been makin the same exact lame threads. Nothings changed here I see, even after Jail time.:facepalm

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Kobe has so many chokejobs we just cant count them all.
even a sweep against a lower seed gets forgotten:applause: :applause:

[riseagainst]

Lebron fans should have no business talking about choking. He had the biggest choke job of all time in 2011.

[red1]

past his prime coming off of three straight finals not to mention the rest of the team playing like shit

[red1]

We still on 2011??? Haters been makin the same exact lame threads. Nothings changed here I see, even after Jail time.:facepalm
ayyy what up. how you been?

[JT123]

So true.

I love how Spo and the Heat last year were talking about the Spurs as their toughest opponent.

I swear...the basketball world has just forgotten about the 11 finals.

It was only 3 years ago people...and we saw one of the best players ever get outplayed by ****ing Jason Terry in the biggest series of his career!

And people are making threads about Kobe choking? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
How does Lebron's bad series make Kobe's any better? :facepalm
Back to back 17 point games is CHOCKING! Bringing up Bron's low scoring stats won't change that. Kobe's is worse because scoring is all he is good for, while Lebron is an all around player who was trying to win by being a distributor.

[red1]

How does Lebron's bad series make Kobe's any better? :facepalm
Back to back 17 point games is CHOCKING! Bringing up Bron's low scoring stats won't change that. Kobe's is worse because scoring is all he is good for, while Lebron is an all around player who was trying to win by being a distributor.
context bro. his team didnt do shit for him. that was a loss on the lakers not on kobe

[Black and White]

How does Lebron's bad series make Kobe's any better? :facepalm
Back to back 17 point games is CHOCKING! Bringing up Bron's low scoring stats won't change that. Kobe's is worse because scoring is all he is good for, while Lebron is an all around player who was trying to win by being a distributor.

Exposed!!!! You didn't watch the 2011 finals, LeBron was avoiding the ball in the 4th, what the hell are you talking about???

And what the hell is chocking?? How old are you? 6?

[branslowski]

ayyy what up. how you been?

Wat up bro...I been straight..Just got out of jail again....Gotta handle some fees n sh!t...Sucks that I missed a lil chunk of the season though. But playoffs should be interesting.:cheers:

[red1]

Wat up bro...I been straight..Just got out of jail again....Gotta handle some fees n sh!t...Sucks that I missed a lil chunk of the season though. But playoffs should be interesting.:cheers:
true. thats good to hear man

[red1]

paul george doe?

[Milbuck]

How does Lebron's bad series make Kobe's any better? :facepalm
Back to back 17 point games is CHOCKING! Bringing up Bron's low scoring stats won't change that. Kobe's is worse because scoring is all he is good for, while Lebron is an all around player who was trying to win by being a distributor.
Because he couldn't score.

[JT123]

[/LIST]
Because he couldn't score.
No, he just realized that Wade REALLY wanted that Finals MVP, and Bron being the great teammate that he is decided to oblige. Bron led the Heat to a Championship with Wade having a shitty postseason. Why couldn't Wade do the same?

[Jlamb47]

[/LIST]
No, he just realized that Wade REALLY wanted that Finals MVP, and Bron being the great teammate that he is decided to oblige. Bron led the Heat to a Championship with Wade having a shitty postseason. Why couldn't Wade do the same?

Negative thats the dumbest reason i ever heard in my life. You are clearly not a basketball fan. Lebron CHOKED son. HE couldnt show up when it mattered. Yes he showed up FINALLY in 12 and 13 though so i give him credit for those but 2011 he just flat out CHOKED. Wade had a great series and Lebron couldnt help his boy out.

[riseagainst]

[/LIST]
No, he just realized that Wade REALLY wanted that Finals MVP, and Bron being the great teammate that he is decided to oblige. Bron led the Heat to a Championship with Wade having a shitty postseason. Why couldn't Wade do the same?

You are the new Hank.

[ArbitraryWater]

context bro. his team didnt do shit for him. that was a loss on the lakers not on kobe

So the context does what? Back to back 17 point games, WITH CONTEXT (:eek: LOL) = ?

[red1]

So the context does what? Back to back 17 point games, WITH CONTEXT (:eek: LOL) = ?
negger please

[Black and White]

[/LIST]
No, he just realized that Wade REALLY wanted that Finals MVP, and Bron being the great teammate that he is decided to oblige. Bron led the Heat to a Championship with Wade having a shitty postseason. Why couldn't Wade do the same?

Secret Kobe fan exposed.

[JT123]

context bro. his team didnt do shit for him. that was a loss on the lakers not on kobe
Don't understand the context argument. Bron's Cavs didn't do anything for him in 2010, yet he was still credited with choking a series that his team was favored to win. Why are the rules different for Kobe? After all, the Lakers entered the playoffs as overwhelming favorites to win it all.:confusedshrug:
If you are going to bring up Kobe being injured, that doesn't make sense either. Bron has been having back problems all season, but if he gets swept this year while putting up back to back 17 point games I guarantee you NOBODY will give him an injury pass.

[SexSymbol]

Don't understand the context argument. Bron's Cavs didn't do anything for him in 2010, yet he was still credited with choking a series that his team was favored to win. Why are the rules different for Kobe? After all, the Lakers entered the playoffs as overwhelming favorites to win it all.:confusedshrug:
If you are going to bring up Kobe being injured, that doesn't make sense either. Bron has been having back problems all season, but if he gets swept this year while putting up back to back 17 point games I guarantee you NOBODY will give him an injury pass.
No they weren't, there were way too many doubters, especially in mid-season. They got into some kind of a form after the all-star break and it kinda died down, but then fatique of three very long runs and injuries took way too much out of that team. And they were mentally tired too, there wasn't too much of a chance to get out of the gruelling west. And even then, first two games could've gone either way, if let's say Lakers were up 2-0 the the Mavs ain't coming back, even 1-1 would've been better. I think Lakers played quite good in game 1 and Kobe had a pretty good look at the end and that loss took too much mentally. Anyway, you are stupid, please kill yourself, earth need to get rid of trash, let's start with you

[MVBallin2K]

The Mavs were hungry that year, they wanted that chip. People can make all the reasons they want but when the Heat couldn't even beat the Mavs...no one was stopping them. Dirk played unbelievable and it's kind of sad that people keep referencing chokes. That puts the blame on the player. Give the credit to the TEAM instead of the player. The Mavs played excellent and shut down both Kobe and Lebron. It's not like they decided "Let's just be terrible right off the bat". The Mavs crushed their spirits and took them out of the game.

The Lakers are this point were tired and Phil was mentally done coaching. The Heat at this point were still gelling as a team and figuring out who had what role. The Mavs were a group of vets that knew their window was closing and played out of their minds. That's the simple reasoning, don't make it complex. Too many people act like they're playing the worst defensive teams in the league and aren't facing defensive pressure.

[JT123]

No they weren't, there were way too many doubters, especially in mid-season. They got into some kind of a form after the all-star break and it kinda died down, but then fatique of three very long runs and injuries took way too much out of that team. And they were mentally tired too, there wasn't too much of a chance to get out of the gruelling west. And even then, first two games could've gone either way, if let's say Lakers were up 2-0 the the Mavs ain't coming back, even 1-1 would've been better. I think Lakers played quite good in game 1 and Kobe had a pretty good look at the end and that loss took too much mentally. Anyway, you are stupid, please kill yourself, earth need to get rid of trash, let's start with you
You mad bro? :lol :lol :lol I guess the truth hurts. :yaohappy:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

[/LIST]
No, he just realized that Wade REALLY wanted that Finals MVP, and Bron being the great teammate that he is decided to oblige. Bron led the Heat to a Championship with Wade having a shitty postseason. Why couldn't Wade do the same?
this.
people never realized that Bron wanted Wade to have the FMVP. and for good reason.
he knew he was gonna get his one day too but he knew Wade would become a salty ballhog very often if he wouldnt win FMVP in 2011.
how many times we see Wade hogging the ball just because he hit two shots in a row??
basically every time he does it.:coleman:
LeBron wanted to avoid that and give Wade the credit he deserved while winning the chip. didnt work out that well:coleman:

[red1]

No they weren't, there were way too many doubters, especially in mid-season. They got into some kind of a form after the all-star break and it kinda died down, but then fatique of three very long runs and injuries took way too much out of that team. And they were mentally tired too, there wasn't too much of a chance to get out of the gruelling west. And even then, first two games could've gone either way, if let's say Lakers were up 2-0 the the Mavs ain't coming back, even 1-1 would've been better. I think Lakers played quite good in game 1 and Kobe had a pretty good look at the end and that loss took too much mentally. Anyway, you are stupid, please kill yourself, earth need to get rid of trash, let's start with you
What a retard you are. You are my least respected poster on this board. Yes, even sacjb shady is better than you.

[Replay32]

The way he choked against the Thunder in 2012 was worse IMO. He lost games 2 and 4 for the lakers that year. His turnovers in game 2 and 4th quarter ball hog display in game 4 was shameful. He missed pretty much every shot in that 4th quarter of game 4. That series should of at least went 7 games.

[riseagainst]

Lebron knows he could not win the FMVP because Wade was simply a better player than Lebron in 2011. He knew Wade would get the FMVP if the Heat wins. Therefore he purposefully threw the series away by just standing there, refusing to do anything useful, just like how Manu Ginobili purposefully threw the series away for the Spurs in the 2013 finals.

Wade knows this about Lebron, who wanted all the glory for himself. So being the unselfish player that he is, he now has taken a HUGE step back from his FMVP self (potential 2 time FMVP), so Lebron can finally get his awards. Wade sacrificed his own individual awards for the benefit of the Miami Heat organization and its fans. Unlike Lebron, who wanted all the individual glory to himself, or else no one could have them.

[SexSymbol]

What a retard you are. You are my least respected poster on this board. Yes, even sacjb shady is better than you.
Remind me again who you are and why I should despise you?

[SexSymbol]

Lebron knows he could not win the FMVP because Wade was simply a better player than Lebron in 2011. He knew Wade would get the FMVP if the Heat wins. Therefore he purposefully threw the series away by disappearing, just like how Manu Ginobili purposefully threw the series away for the Spurs in the 2013 finals.

Wade knows this about Lebron, who wanted all the glory for himself. So being the unselfish player that he is, he now has taken a HUGE step back from his FMVP self (potential 2 time FMVP), so Lebron can finally get his awards. Wade sacrificed his own individual awards for the benefit of the Miami Heat organization and its fans. Unlike Lebron, who wanted all the individual glory to himself, or else no one could have them.
I'm starting to think that there actually are people who believe this bullshit

[oh the horror]

The Mavs were hungry that year, they wanted that chip. People can make all the reasons they want but when the Heat couldn't even beat the Mavs...no one was stopping them. Dirk played unbelievable and it's kind of sad that people keep referencing chokes. That puts the blame on the player. Give the credit to the TEAM instead of the player. The Mavs played excellent and shut down both Kobe and Lebron. It's not like they decided "Let's just be terrible right off the bat". The Mavs crushed their spirits and took them out of the game.

The Lakers are this point were tired and Phil was mentally done coaching. The Heat at this point were still gelling as a team and figuring out who had what role. The Mavs were a group of vets that knew their window was closing and played out of their minds. That's the simple reasoning, don't make it complex. Too many people act like they're playing the worst defensive teams in the league and aren't facing defensive pressure.






The heat were still gelling as a team after an entire season and a training camp?



Come on dude.

[SexSymbol]

You mad bro? :lol :lol :lol I guess the truth hurts. :yaohappy:
Not at all, mate.
Now get a rope (I heard there's a huge discount for ropes if you can prove that you spend more than 90% of your day in your mom's basement. This will be easy for you with that 45% BF and a minefield of zits on your face.), tie it around your neck and kill yourself.
:cheers:

[Jameerthefear]

Damn. Kobe stans should just hide. Once again on this forum Kobe Bryant has been exposed.

[ArbitraryWater]

What a retard you are. You are my least respected poster on this board. Yes, even sacjb shady is better than you.

Not just yours, everybody's... he don't seem to realize it though.

[red1]

Remind me again who you are and why I should despise you?
Every. single. thing you have ever posted is wrong.

[ArbitraryWater]

Not at all, mate.
Now get a rope (I heard there's a huge discount for ropes if you can prove that you spend more than 90% of your day in your mom's basement. This will be easy for you with that 45% BF and a minefield of zits on your face.), tie it around your neck and kill yourself.
:cheers:

You're fcuked in the head... fkn piece o shit slav

[MVBallin2K]

The heat were still gelling as a team after an entire season and a training camp?



Come on dude.

They were a first year team. I'm no Heat stan but between their bench that year and it being the first year they were even playing together, I think they get a lot more flack then they should. Look at the Lakers last year and the Nets early this year. When you put talent like that together, you have to expect an adjustment no matter how talented they are.

I'm not underrrating the Mavs at all, I was arguing that all the credit should go to them. The Heat still could have won that series but the Mavs knew how to win that year and took advantage of that. It's just like people who rag on Kobe for game 7 of the 2010 finals because he shot horribly but choose to ignore that the game itself was a defensive battle where no one shot well and he grabbed 15 rebounds for the team. The Celtics should get the credit for their defense on Kobe, Kobe didn't choke. As such, the Mavs should get the credit for how they played that year, not blaming it on the player.

[ArbitraryWater]

The heat were still gelling as a team after an entire season and a training camp?



Come on dude.

So basically, that would mean NO TEAM EVER has an excuse for not finding their rhythm yet, as 1 season is the minimum.

[Andrei89]

Lebron fans should have no business talking about choking. He had the biggest choke job of all time in 2011.


Best elimination game player of all time though. Kind of overshadows his terrible finals performance.

Playing in elimination games at such insane elite level is what CLUTCH really is about.

U feel me?

[JT123]

Not at all, mate.
Now get a rope (I heard there's a huge discount for ropes if you can prove that you spend more than 90% of your day in your mom's basement. This will be easy for you with that 45% BF and a minefield of zits on your face.), tie it around your neck and kill yourself.
:cheers:
Accuses me of spending all day in my mom's basement, yet has more posts than I do. :wtf: :facepalm

[riseagainst]

Huh ?? He had Pau Gasol for christs sake


12/9 on 42% shooting :bowdown:


:roll:

[feyki]

Cause he was injured.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

B/c Lebron choking in the finals was a bigger story.

[Hey Yo]

Originally Posted by TheMarkMadsen
Kobe was injured, old, coming off of 3 straight finals, 2 FMVPs and an Olympics with a cast of players who were also old, injured and tired..

:no: :no: :no:

How soon people forget.....

How can you use those excuses for Kobe yet rip LeBron for his performance in last seasons Finals?? You know....his 5th straight Finals, with 2FMVP's in the last 4yrs and with injured teammates who couldn't play.

[KirbyPls]

:no: :no: :no:

How soon people forget.....

How can you use those excuses for Kobe yet rip LeBron for his performance in last seasons Finals?? You know....his 5th straight Finals, with 2FMVP's in the last 4yrs and with injured teammates who couldn't play.

They don't forget. Lebron is held to different standards than Kobe, because deep down, they know Lebron is a better player. Hence the "acceptable" excuses that Kobe receives cannot apply to Lebron.

"But, but, but Kobe was tired from 3 straight Finals runs and his team was injured." :cry: It's even funnier when you remember that from 2005-2007, Kobe received plenty of off-season rest (2 first round exits and one missed playoffs :lol before his arduous 4 Finals runs), while Lebron from his third year on made at least the second round each year before his 5 Finals runs. But, but Kobe was tired doe. :lol

[West-Side]

His Lakers were the favorites against the Mavs. They were the defending champs and many atleast expected to make it to the finals. They get sweep by the Mavs.
He averaged 17 ppg with less than 45% FG in the 2 games of the series. Apart from the first game, he was terrible. He couldnt defend Terry or Barea. Why is his choke job in that year so underrated?

The entire team stunk it up.
Pau shot 42% and averaged 12 PPG

Dallas shot nearly 50% for the series, they were lights out.

[Hey Yo]

They don't forget. Lebron is held to different standards than Kobe, because deep down, they know Lebron is a better player. Hence the "acceptable" excuses that Kobe receives cannot apply to Lebron.

"But, but, but Kobe was tired from 3 straight Finals runs and his team was injured." :cry: It's even funnier when you remember that from 2005-2007, Kobe received plenty of off-season rest (2 first round exits and one missed playoffs :lol before his arduous 4 Finals runs), while Lebron from his third year on made at least the second round each year before his 5 Finals runs. But, but Kobe was tired doe. :lol
Preach on.

:applause:

[DaOldLion]

Kobe was 32 years old, Lebron is 30 and still gets the excuse of "out of prime/old"

[JT123]

They don't forget. Lebron is held to different standards than Kobe, because deep down, they know Lebron is a better player. Hence the "acceptable" excuses that Kobe receives cannot apply to Lebron.

"But, but, but Kobe was tired from 3 straight Finals runs and his team was injured." :cry: It's even funnier when you remember that from 2005-2007, Kobe received plenty of off-season rest (2 first round exits and one missed playoffs :lol before his arduous 4 Finals runs), while Lebron from his third year on made at least the second round each year before his 5 Finals runs. But, but Kobe was tired doe. :lol
Kobe stans avoiding this post like the plague :oldlol:

[ShaqTwizzle]

The entire team stunk it up.

So that makes it ok for Kobe to play like absolute garbage?
:biggums:

Kobe choked in the 2012 playoffs also.

Against OKC
First 2 games = 20ppg / 3-apg on 37% shooting (both losses)
G3 = 36% shooting

G4 = decent stats but ball hogged and choked in the 4th

G5 = Put up decent scoring stats but he completely froze out all his teammates and just gunned from start to finish.
Durant switched onto him in the 4th quarter, shut him down and OKC blew them out.

[Gileraracer]

He averaged 17 ppg with less than 45% FG in the 2 games of the series.

Is this the new Adam Silver format? Best of 2?

[Magic 32]

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c506253ef0147e34b83e6970b-320wi

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/706328/x2011-april-25-0-13-5.jpg.pagespeed.ic.viboodxfs_.jpg

[ImKobe]

Because he played on one leg all year with no cartilage in his knee and was limited for most of the season, he was also had a sprained ankle...he actually played decently in the Playoffs but the Lakers team was completely outmatched against Dallas with Pau and Bynum playing like crap on both ends, Dirk shot like 73% from 3 that series, Pau was getting MURDERED in the post, yet he was supposedly the 2010 Finals MVP, yet he's the only Laker to get a pass that year according to Kobe haters...Phil out of all people was screaming at him and punching him, telling him to man up...that's how bad he was

The team overall had poor chemistry and guys were fatigued while the Mavs were at their peak, IIRC, Shannon Brown screwed Pau's GF, Phil found out he had cancer and the team just mailed it in after blowing the lead in the 4th quarter 1st game of that series

[Magic 32]

G5 = Put up decent scoring stats but he completely froze out all his teammates and just gunned from start to finish.

Gunned for 18 of 33.

Lebron would have killed for those FG numbers in the finals.



Durant switched onto him in the 4th quarter, shut him down and OKC blew them out.

What a f*cking lying *ss you are.

http://s8.postimg.org/slh8xjwph/werae.png

[ImKobe]

Gunned for 18 of 33.

Lebron would have killed for those FG numbers in the finals.



What a f*cking lying *ss you are.

http://s8.postimg.org/slh8xjwph/werae.png

It was a close game until Brown pulled Kobe out...bytch ass didn't bring him back in until it was already decided....still makes me mad to this day, that and the wide open corner 3 Steve Blake missed...it should have gone 6 games minimum :rant

Kobe averaged 39 and 7 the last 3 games of that series, he was keeping the games close by himself while Pau and Bynum disappeared, Sessions was MIA all post-season and they had no bench, I think they had the worst bench in the league that yr.

[ShaqTwizzle]

Gunned for 18 of 33.

Lebron would have killed for those FG numbers in the finals.
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As I said his scoring performance pre-4thQ was quite impressive but he still rocked an absurd 46+% usage rate in that game and he clearly decided against playing team ball.

His decision to just say "fu*k it ima gun all game and try to do this solo" while ballsy and very fun to watch was probably not their best chance at victory even if they might have lost either way.

Really though I thought Kobe did a poor job playing team ball that whole year.
That teams ceiling was much lower then it should have been with the talent they had because old Kobe still wanted to get his numbers and still wanted to maintain his standing as a top guy.
Two elite bigs plus Kobe? They should have done better then they did. They could have beaten that OKC team as they did in 2010.


What a f*cking lying ****

Meh.
I can't perfectly remember every game from years ago.
I still do remember Kobe gunning in the 4th (when he was in) and missing everything.

[ImKobe]

As I said his scoring performance pre-4thQ was quite impressive but he still rocked an absurd 46+% usage rate in that game and he clearly decided against playing team ball.

His decision to just say "fuc* it ima gun all game and try to do this solo" while ballsy and very fun to watch was probably not their best chance at victory even if they might have lost either way.

Really though he just did a poor job playing team ball in 2012 and it showed in the playoffs.
That teams cieling was much lower then it should have been with the talent they had because old Kobe still wanted to get his numbers and still wanted to maintain his standing as a top guy.
Two elite bigs plus Kobe? They should have done better then they did. They could have beaten that OKC team as they did in 2010.



Oh shut up.
I can't perfectly remember every game from years ago.

I still do remember Kobe gunning when he came back in though and missing everything and his solo approach means he shoulders most of the blame.

He was put back into the game in the 4th with a 14 pt deficit on the road in an elimination game like he was supposed to go 2006 mode and drop 30 in the quarter to win the game

"two elite bigs"

one thing you're missing here is that they weren't elite in that series

Here's Kobe's supporting cast in the 2012 OKC series

Bynum 17/9 on 44% shooting
Pau 12/10 on 44% shooting
MWP 11 ppg on 38% shooting
Sessions 6.8 ppg 3 apg on 35% shooting

Kobe: 31/5/3/2 on 43% shooting



vs Kobe averaging 24/4/4 in 2010 (he played on a bad knee that he had drained after the series)

Pau and Bynum played worse in 2012 while Kobe played much better than he did in 2010...

[Magic 32]

Meh.


I think that is a perfect description of your work here.

[ShaqTwizzle]

He was put back into the game in the 4th with a 14 pt deficit on the road in an elimination game like he was supposed to go 2006 mode and drop 30 in the quarter to win the game


Fair enough but if you are gonna gun you gotta shoulder the blame.


"two elite bigs"
one thing you're missing here is that they weren't elite in that series


Maybe not but can you fully blame them when Kobe's offensive approach all year had been very individualistic (with Pau & Bynum fighting over scraps or offensive rebounds during some stretches).

I think if Kobe focused more on keeping Gasol & Bynum involved that year while scoring less that team would have been more potent and less easily stopped. (we saw how OKC frustrated them).
Kobe was older by then and not completely healthy. They shouldn't have relied on him so much putting him in such a big role still.
He couldn't get his Prime numbers anymore while staying within the offense (something he wasn't perfect at even in his Prime) so he broke out of the offense far more often and gunned more.

His usage rate in 2012 VS OKC = 40%.
His usage rate against OKC in 2010 = 33%

Anyway I am not giving him all the blame I just think his approach that year in general might have limited the true ceiling of that team and only Kobe had the power to truly change it.

Anyway if he was healthy or abit younger it wouldn't have been a problem.
Just wasn't one of his better years.
He was 10x better in 2013.

[HOoopCityJones]

As I said his scoring performance pre-4thQ was quite impressive but he still rocked an absurd 46+% usage rate in that game and he clearly decided against playing team ball.

His decision to just say "fu*k it ima gun all game and try to do this solo" while ballsy and very fun to watch was probably not their best chance at victory even if they might have lost either way.

Really though I thought Kobe did a poor job playing team ball that whole year.
That teams ceiling was much lower then it should have been with the talent they had because old Kobe still wanted to get his numbers and still wanted to maintain his standing as a top guy.
Two elite bigs plus Kobe? They should have done better then they did. They could have beaten that OKC team as they did in 2010.



Meh.
I can't perfectly remember every game from years ago.
I still do remember Kobe gunning in the 4th (when he was in) and missing everything.

Why should we take anything you say seriously when you tried to blatantly lie to fit an agenda? :biggums:

Fact is Kobe had a leg injury and the rest of his Team decided not to show up. But more than anything else that Mavs Team was just better than us, Dirk just flat out had a better post season than Kobe that year.

[dubeta]

I don't see how Kobe stans rag on LeBrons 2011 when Kobe played worse against the same team