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navy
04-01-2014, 07:22 PM
http://www.nba.com/media/Verticality_Plays_Mar_31_2014.pdf

National Basketball Association
TO: NBA OWNERS / GENERAL MANAGERS / HEAD COACHES /
OFFICIALS

FROM: MIKE BANTOM

DATE: MARCH 31, 2014

RE: PLAYERS TURNING SIDEWAYS ON VERTICALITY PLAYS
__________________________________________________ ____________________

We want to make sure you are aware of the following topic we will be alerting referees
to today.

We have noticed that defenders have been turning sideways when jumping to defend
an oncoming offensive player on drives to the basket. This is illegal and referees are
being instructed to call this a blocking foul. While we commonly discuss verticality in the
context of secondary defenders inside the restricted area (see restricted area and
verticality reminder further below), this change will apply to defenders turning sideways
while in the air whether inside or outside the restricted area on drives.

Here are several examples of players turning sideways that will be deemed blocking
fouls going forward.

http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...Verticality_ME
MO

http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...as_Verticality
_MEMO

http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...Verticality_ME
MO

http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec..._Verticality_P
lay_MEMO


Here is a player making a slight turn when absorbing impact. This is considered vertical
and legal.

http://dmmx2.nba.com/videourlredirec...erticality_MEM
0

The Restricted Area and Verticality:

On a block-charge type play, a secondary defensive player cannot be in a legal
guarding position, even if stationary, inside the "Restricted Area" if the offensive player
receives the ball outside the lower defensive box -- unless he jumps vertically in an
attempt to defend the shot. Therefore, even if positioned inside the Restricted Area, a
secondary defender does not commit a blocking foul if contact is made while he is
jumping vertically in an attempt to defend. The defender must, however, establish legal
guarding position prior to the start of the offensive player's upward motion.

To be considered vertical, a defender must:

1. Be in the air to defend the shot when contact occurs. If the player is on the
ground inside the restricted area, with his arms “vertical” when contact occurs, he
will be assessed a blocking foul.

2. Maintain a vertical trajectory by jumping straight up. If the player jumps toward or
to the side of an oncoming player, he will be assessed a blocking foul. A player
may, however, angle his jump backwards slightly in such a way as to absorb the
impact of the oncoming player, and of course, he may land behind where he
leapt from because of the force of the contact.

3. Maintain vertical alignment, with his body (arms, hands, torso, legs
and feet) in a nearly straight line that is perpendicular to the floor. If
a player leans his arms forward or “jack-knifes” his legs toward the
oncoming offensive player, he will be assessed a blocking foul.

4. A player may not turn sideways (as discussed above). If he does,
he will be assessed a blocking foul.

DuMa
04-01-2014, 07:24 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1199533/yaylebron.gif

HomieWeMajor
04-01-2014, 07:24 PM
3-peat

russwest0
04-01-2014, 07:29 PM
Here lies Roy Hibbert

2012-2014

Roy Hibbert: You suck dick bitch.

Akrazotile
04-01-2014, 07:35 PM
Honestly, guys turn sideways strictly to protect themselves from taking a knee in the nuts when they're trying to make a defensive play.


It's amazing how many fans cry about Hibbert/verticality, then act like they miss the macho, hard-foul days when the refs let guys play and didn't call a foul on every drive.


Make up your ****in mind. This league DOES call way too many fouls, and I'm GLAD Hibbert has become a tough paint defender using verticality, and I don't give a **** if he turns sideways.


Fouls should not be called unless a guy gets hacked. A ****ing little bump from incidental contact? It's an immediate whistle these days and that is PATHETIC.

russwest0
04-01-2014, 07:37 PM
Honestly, guys turn sideways strictly to protect themselves from taking a knee in the nuts when they're trying to make a defensive play.


It's amazing how many fans cry about Hibbert/verticality, then act like they miss the macho, hard-foul days when the refs let guys play and didn't call a foul on every drive.


Make up your ****in mind. This league DOES call way too many fouls, and I'm GLAD Hibbert has become a tough paint defender using verticality, and I don't give a **** if he turns sideways.


Fouls should not be called unless a guy gets hacked. A ****ing little bump from incidental contact? It's an immediate whistle these days and that is PATHETIC.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

This memo was obviously sent out in direct response to the Pacers beating the Heat a week ago. Do you REALLY want to see INDIANA in the FINALS? The team that got just 8 national TV games this year? I don't even think INDIANA fans want that dude, their ticket prices are among the cheapest in the league despite being widely considered as a "contender" and having one of their best seasons ever as a franchise.

Trust me dude, you'll be thanking the league for this in June when we don't have to watch the boring ass small market Pacers in the Finals.

Akrazotile
04-01-2014, 07:41 PM
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

This memo was obviously sent out in direct response to the Pacers beating the Heat a week ago. Do you REALLY want to see INDIANA in the FINALS? The team that got just 8 national TV games this year? I don't even think INDIANA fans want that dude, their ticket prices are among the cheapest in the league despite being widely considered as a "contender" and having one of their best seasons ever as a franchise.

Trust me dude, you'll be thanking the league for this in June when we don't have to watch the boring ass small market Pacers in the Finals.



:whatever:

BlackVVaves
04-01-2014, 08:09 PM
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

This memo was obviously sent out in direct response to the Pacers beating the Heat a week ago. Do you REALLY want to see INDIANA in the FINALS? The team that got just 8 national TV games this year? I don't even think INDIANA fans want that dude, their ticket prices are among the cheapest in the league despite being widely considered as a "contender" and having one of their best seasons ever as a franchise.

Trust me dude, you'll be thanking the league for this in June when we don't have to watch the boring ass small market Pacers in the Finals.

If I were you, I'd want the Pacers in the Finals if you believe the Thunder will make it.

The Thunder have not displayed anything that concedes they are capable of beating Miami 4 games out of 7. Them being a jump shooting team plays right into the strength of the Miami Heat, as evidenced by the last few seasons.

Solefade
04-01-2014, 08:15 PM
If I were you, I'd want the Pacers in the Finals if you believe the Thunder will make it.

The Thunder have not displayed anything that concedes they are capable of beating Miami 4 games out of 7. Them being a jump shooting team plays right into the strength of the Miami Heat, as evidenced by the last few seasons.


I'm sure Miami would LOVE to face OKC in the finals. They're afraid of the Spurs though :lebroncry:

buddha
04-01-2014, 08:27 PM
what pisses me off about Roy Hibbert is how was allowed to do this with and make contact with a shooter and not be called for a foul.

http://sinbapointforward.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/4516357191.jpg

that ain't vertical.

TheGreatDeraj
04-01-2014, 08:41 PM
what pisses me off about Roy Hibbert is how was allowed to do this with and make contact with a shooter and not be called for a foul.

http://sinbapointforward.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/4516357191.jpg

that ain't vertical.

The problem with these type of photos is that they prove nothing because they are after contact. If he is vertical and because of contact his arms go forward slightly I don't think that's a foul when the jump is vertical.

I thought this thread was an april fools joke at first

If this is true you know Lebron went crying to the commissioner, props he got it done though. Indiana losing HCA and now their defensive anchor will be watched very closely by the refs in the playoffs...that's not good

rlsmooth775
04-01-2014, 08:46 PM
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1199533/yaylebron.gif


Thats how Battier celebrates

Marlo_Stanfield
04-01-2014, 08:46 PM
maybe now hibbert will get called like everyone else in the league.
doubt it tho.
hibbert is allowed to push players out of their driving lanes too

buddha
04-01-2014, 08:47 PM
The problem with these type of photos is that they prove nothing because they are after contact. If he is vertical and because of contact his arms go forward slightly I don't think that's a foul when the jump is vertical.

I thought this thread was an april fools joke at first

if you watched Roy Hibbert you would know he jumps like that with his arms at a 45 degree angle almost every time.

Prometheus
04-01-2014, 09:00 PM
if you watched Roy Hibbert you would know he jumps like that with his arms at a 45 degree angle almost every time.

:applause:

Honestly it's ****ing ridiculous.

Blue&Orange
04-01-2014, 09:00 PM
EARNED NOT GIVEN!






:lol

TheGreatDeraj
04-01-2014, 09:10 PM
if you watched Roy Hibbert you would know he jumps like that with his arms at a 45 degree angle almost every time.

I only watch his games against Heat and Lakers. I think he does a damn good job of staying vertical.

for example from the most recent Heat vs Pacers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYIwF_ElWCo&t=1m37s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYIwF_ElWCo&t=3m6s

can't play it better than that

buddha
04-01-2014, 09:11 PM
I only watch his games against Heat and Lakers. I think he does a damn good job of staying vertical.

for example from the most recent Heat vs Pacers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYIwF_ElWCo&t=1m37s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYIwF_ElWCo&t=3m6s

can't play it better than that

http://distilleryimage3.s3.amazonaws.com/bfd4e840b9ee11e3a2b6120fb2bbf937_8.jpg

TheGreatDeraj
04-01-2014, 09:12 PM
wow you were just f5ing away waiting for me to reply so you could post whatever that was

buddha
04-01-2014, 09:15 PM
wow you were just f5ing away waiting for me to reply so you could post whatever that was

wat is this f5ing you speak of?

JohnFreeman
04-01-2014, 09:17 PM
wat is this f5ing you speak of?
Refreshing

FLDFSU
04-01-2014, 09:17 PM
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

This memo was obviously sent out in direct response to the Pacers beating the Heat a week ago. Do you REALLY want to see INDIANA in the FINALS? The team that got just 8 national TV games this year? I don't even think INDIANA fans want that dude, their ticket prices are among the cheapest in the league despite being widely considered as a "contender" and having one of their best seasons ever as a franchise.

Trust me dude, you'll be thanking the league for this in June when we don't have to watch the boring ass small market Pacers in the Finals.

How much you wanna bet that Indy will still shoot more free throws than MIA in a 7 game series?

FLDFSU
04-01-2014, 09:26 PM
I only watch his games against Heat and Lakers. I think he does a damn good job of staying vertical.

for example from the most recent Heat vs Pacers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYIwF_ElWCo&t=1m37s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYIwF_ElWCo&t=3m6s

can't play it better than that

1st one no. Hibbert was not in the air when the contact occurs.
2nd one yes. Hibbert jumped straight up and kept his straight alignment.

Le Shaqtus
04-01-2014, 09:29 PM
You should either let everyone do it or no one do it.

I personally prefer it, this league babies it's stars too much, but everyone should be able to do it, not just Hibbert.

JohnFreeman
04-01-2014, 09:31 PM
My only problem with the rule, is that Hibbert seems to be the only one who can do it. If officials call it properly every time, I would be happy.

TheGreatDeraj
04-01-2014, 09:33 PM
1st one no. Hibbert was not in the air when the contact occurs.
2nd one yes. Hibbert jumped straight up and kept his straight alignment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYIwF_ElWCo&t=1m37s

watch it again 720 pi full screen. I see Hibbert taking the contact square in the chest so it's not a foul then he jumps vertically and slightly backwards to avoid further contact and still contest.

Frankly, like the above example, LBJ gets away with "freight training" the defender more than Hibbbert gets away with verticality issues imo

Jameerthefear
04-01-2014, 09:36 PM
You should either let everyone do it or no one do it.

I personally prefer it, this league babies it's stars too much, but everyone should be able to do it, not just Hibbert.
this. pretty much my only problem with the rule. Also, it's just one moer "judgement" call the officials have to make and I don't want these guys deciding games.

plowking
04-01-2014, 09:41 PM
The only problem I had with it was, he would jump forward into players, while being straight up... That's still a blocking foul. Doesn't matter if you're straight up the whole time, you're jumping into someone.
And like others have said, there were times where he clearly wasn't straight up.

FLDFSU
04-01-2014, 10:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYIwF_ElWCo&t=1m37s

watch it again 720 pi full screen. I see Hibbert taking the contact square in the chest so it's not a foul then he jumps vertically and slightly backwards to avoid further contact and still contest.

Frankly, like the above example, LBJ gets away with "freight training" the defender more than Hibbbert gets away with verticality issues imo

"To be considered vertical, a defender must:

1. Be in the air to defend the shot when the contact occurs. If the player is on the ground inside the restricted area, with his arms "vertical" when the contact occurs, he will be assessed a blocking foul."

TheGreatDeraj
04-01-2014, 11:50 PM
"To be considered vertical, a defender must:

1. Be in the air to defend the shot when the contact occurs. If the player is on the ground inside the restricted area, with his arms "vertical" when the contact occurs, he will be assessed a blocking foul."

I see what you're saying, but you stopped reading a sentence early. "If the player is on the ground inside the restricted area" Hibbert is outside of the restricted area when he takes the contact from Lebron in the chest.

LONGTIME
04-02-2014, 01:57 AM
http://media.giphy.com/media/YfZObbZ48diGQ/giphy.gif

no pun intended
04-02-2014, 02:12 AM
Thats how white people celebrate
fixed.
http://throwtheflagblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Lebron-Dancing.gif

tomtucker
04-02-2014, 02:44 AM
http://distilleryimage3.s3.amazonaws.com/bfd4e840b9ee11e3a2b6120fb2bbf937_8.jpg
:eek: lemme just rest my balls on your arm

no pun intended
04-02-2014, 02:47 AM
I like how none of the videos used as examples weren't Hibbert lmfao

russwest0
04-02-2014, 02:49 AM
Pacers playoff chances:

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/thumb/716293144.gif

ILLsmak
04-02-2014, 09:08 AM
wat is this f5ing you speak of?

I felt very afraid as I pressed F5 to see what happens.

I think that Hibbert does a good job not fouling most of the time. I think the NBA should let more body contact go. I always thought that was the vertical part. obviously you can't come down on someone, but if you go straight up and have your hands at an angle then how is that a foul?

I think it should only be a foul if you come down on someone. If you start out with your arms in place and they aren't fouling someone, then the person comes through your arms, it's hard to see how that's a foul. It's kind of like having position to take a charge, to me.

That being said, he does get away with fouls just as every ****ing superstar in the NBA gets bullshit fouls where dudes don't even touch them. (And 1s mostly.)

-Smak

dabigbaws
04-02-2014, 09:17 AM
http://media.giphy.com/media/YfZObbZ48diGQ/giphy.gif

id say he was pretty verticle there :lol :lol :lol

jzek
04-02-2014, 09:42 AM
Yes! More blow to the Pacers!!!

3LiftHeatCurse
05-27-2014, 05:26 PM
http://notsportscenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/roy-hibbert-sad.jpg

Trollsmasher
05-27-2014, 05:29 PM
The Memo of Death

fragokota
05-27-2014, 05:32 PM
fixed.
http://throwtheflagblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Lebron-Dancing.gif

Damn that must have been awkward for K. Love

3LiftHeatCurse
05-28-2014, 06:48 PM
The Memo of Death

Everyone knew Hibbert was manufactured. That "verticality" bullshit allowed him to make believe he was a good rim protector.

Verticality
05-28-2014, 06:52 PM
Great, now Hibbert will become more worthless.

3LiftHeatCurse
05-28-2014, 06:55 PM
Great, now Hibbert will become more worthless.

strong username to thread content ratio

Sharmer
05-28-2014, 07:10 PM
Hibbert has one good game, and he's back. He puts up bad numbers in another two games, and he's done. It just demonstrates, how pathetic and weak minded NBA fan is. The lack of intellect is mind boggling.

oarabbus
05-28-2014, 07:12 PM
fixed.
http://throwtheflagblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Lebron-Dancing.gif


https://i.imgur.com/5c22RvF.gif

Prometheus
05-28-2014, 11:02 PM
strong username to thread content ratio

:oldlol:

bobeticus
05-28-2014, 11:40 PM
fixed.
http://throwtheflagblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Lebron-Dancing.gif

racist...