Any player who stays in college is a retard

[Aidz]

Myth #1: You develop your game more with that extra year.

Reality: Where do you think you're going to learn more about being an NBA player? Practicing/playing against NBA players every day or holding the ball for 35 seconds before shooting a 3-pointer from the free throw line while being defended by a 6'3 white power forward in the NCAA?

Myth #2: You mature as a man.

Reality: Being in college doesn't somehow make you more mature. Travelling the country with grown men with real experience is more beneficial. If you're a childish jackarse that's not going to change - just like if you're mature it's not going to change.

Myth #3: Winning in college means something.

Reality: No, it doesn't.

Myth #4: You might get picked higher next year.

Reality: So what? You just missed out on 5 mill so you can go top 5 instead of top 10. Big deal.

Myth #5: You can study.

Reality: Ever head of distance ed? Ever heard of part time. Shit, college is 12 hours a week at best. Let's not kid ourselves.

Reality BONUS ROUND: Just watch what happened to Kevin Ware. Now look at Andrew "No Knees" Bynum. Went straight from school and guaranteed millions. If you opt-in I hope you break your spine because you deserve it for stupidity.

[IncarceratedBob]

They're actually literally the opposite

[fpliii]

Myth #1 isn't entirely false. If you go to a program with a good coach who doesn't mind putting winning on the back burner to develop future star players.

Unfortunately not many coaches are willing to do that today.

[ninephive]

You wonder what kind of legacy a guy like Duncan could have had if he came out early like a lot of his peers. (3+ extra years on his resume, especially with how ridiculously good he was in his first pro years).

[hawksdogsbraves]

You wonder what kind of legacy a guy like Duncan could have had if he came out early like a lot of his peers. (3+ extra years on his resume, especially with how ridiculously good he was in his first pro years).

On the other hand why don't you consider that staying and developing in college helped Duncan's legacy? He came into the league pretty much fully developed, if he had 2 or 3 years tacked on the beginning of his career where he wasn't very good, wouldn't that tarnish his legacy, not help it? Plus who knows how that could have effected his development, a lot of these guys who came straight out of high school or one year of college have loads of talent but had their developments screwed up to the point where they never come close to their true potential.

[Akrazotile]

You wonder what kind of legacy a guy like Duncan could have had if he came out early like a lot of his peers. (3+ extra years on his resume, especially with how ridiculously good he was in his first pro years).


It is crazy to think about, hes alrdy solidified himself as way ahead of Kobe all time, and with three less years in the league to do it. Remarkable. :cheers:

[Eric Cartman]

Get dem checks and worry about the rest later.

[jzek]

The biggest thing about staying in college is risking injury which could lower your draft stock and earning potential. Who would want to pay millions of dollars to someone who has had ACL surgery already at age 19?

[jzek]

Get dem checks and worry about the rest later.

Basically, this^

You don't know what's going to happen tomorrow (injury, car accident, etc.) so take the money now and worry about everything else later.

Besides, you can always go back to college once you've secured the millions.

[swagga]

[IMG I LIKE ***** UP MY ASS /IMG]

don't you have a bigger image, maybe I can print it on a billboard? :facepalm

[Eric Cartman]

don't you have a bigger image, maybe I can print it on a billboard? :facepalm

Sorry that's the biggest I could find.

[AnaheimLakers24]

retards like jabari like to be pimped by the ncaa

dude can go f.uck himself an die

[Real Men Wear Green]

Myth #3: Winning in college means something.

Reality: No, it doesn't.
You don't get to determine that. If NCAA success is important to someone then your opinion means squat. It's not for others to tell players what is and is not important to them.

[russwest0]

Tim Duncan was a retard?

I'm hoping Embiid stays for 3 years at least and works on a post game. I've been dying for a legitimate big man prospect to come into the league for a long time now.

These raw ass big men get to the league and the coaches/training staff don't have the patience to develop them into post players. They work on an elbow jumper, a baseline shot, FT's, and other shit, but not shit that will help them DOMINATE the game like big men of our past

[secund2nun]

You are right. Players develop much better in the NBA, not college (82 vs 30 games, year round practice vs practice limits, superior competition vs inferior competition). Also if you stay in college you waste one year of your NBA career and one year of your NBA salary. Father age does not delay itself by one year just because you chose to waste one potential NBA year in college. Not to mention your risk a career ending injury and a bachelors degree is useless especially for an athlete you has no time but to take the easiest possible major. And you are right college does not make you mature. It makes people immature actually.

The NCAA is a modern day plantation.

[secund2nun]

Tim Duncan was a retard?

I'm hoping Embiid stays for 3 years at least and works on a post game. I've been dying for a legitimate big man prospect to come into the league for a long time now.

These raw ass big men get to the league and the coaches/training staff don't have the patience to develop them into post players. They work on an elbow jumper, a baseline shot, FT's, and other shit, but not shit that will help them DOMINATE the game like big men of our past

Why shouldn't Embiid develop his post game in the NBA instead of college? You think he will develop a better post game playing 30 games a year instead of 82 games, having a limit on how much he can practice vs unlimited practice, and playing grossly inferior competition vs superior NBA competition? Not to mention he would piss away 2 years of NBA salary that he will never get back.

[beastee]

Myth #1 isn't entirely false. If you go to a program with a good coach who doesn't mind putting winning on the back burner to develop future star players.

Unfortunately not many coaches are willing to do that today.

I can't think of ONE coach who does this. And if anyone thinks it's Coach K, they are delusional. College coaches care about two things...Winning so they can get more money. Period.

[fpliii]

I can't think of ONE coach who does this. And if anyone thinks it's Coach K, they are delusional. College coaches care about two things...Winning so they can get more money. Period.
Well if you have great talent, winning comes naturally even if it's not the primary goal. They're not mutually exclusive.

Dean Smith? Not sure about coaches today. Some guys don't let their kids play zone (Coach Cal), which is definitely a developmental move.

[ZenMaster]

I can't think of ONE coach who does this. And if anyone thinks it's Coach K, they are delusional. College coaches care about two things...Winning so they can get more money. Period.

Calipari, he's probably the best at getting players ready for the NBA.

[beastee]

Calipari, he's probably the best at getting players ready for the NBA.

Yeah, probably accurate, since he embraces getting them ready for the pro game and encourages them to be 1 and done. And he still gets that money...:pimp: :pimp:

[red1]

Dont know if makes them retarded but it is definitely a decision I have a hard time understanding. Maybe they just arent mentally ready for the nba lifestyle

[mr.big35]

Calipari, he's probably the best at getting players ready for the NBA.

he also gives them money and have students fake SAT test for the players

[ZenMaster]

Yeah, probably accurate, since he embraces getting them ready for the pro game and encourages them to be 1 and done. And he still gets that money...:pimp: :pimp:

I coach sort of the same philosophy. Win through developing talent, you have to take some hits from people complaining every year that the team doesn't play as good as they potentially could. It's alright, as long as the players are moving forward individually, because going to the next level they will be judged by their individual talent and potential.

There's is a bunch of stuff through different player ages that you can chose to do or not to do in terms of winning vs developing potential. You have to find a balance though, because if your players feel they're losing because of your system it can hurt their motivation.
Cal doesn't really do zone because they hardly ever play it in the NBA, even though his team has great potential in a zone he realizes it's not what they'll be doing a year from now. It hurts in the win collumn because not doing zone yourself makes it much harder to prepare for others who do.
Same thing with full court zone press for 14-16 year olds, it'll work most of the time because players simply don't have the combination of vision and strength needed to make the passes that take advantage of it. At that age it's much better laying the ground work for great man to man defense individually.

[ZenMaster]

he also gives them money and have students fake SAT test for the players

They do that everywhere, players at UNC can hardly read.. That's the college game, have been for a long time.

Some players also take two up two scholarships at the colleges when they take their girlfriend with them.

[Flash31]

Any plaer who's basically guaranteed to be picked in a draft is beyond mentally challenged,naive,delusional for staying more than a year.

What,more college develops the players as opposed to being in the NBA and strictly working on basketball with te absolute best at it and best trainers against superior competition.

College dont develop squat,some players learn,others clearly do not but in the NbA youre only focused on basketball working with the best trainers who know everything about your game and what you should work on

You think Kobe,LeBron,Garnett would have done better going to college instead of learning their game and playing against the best competition

Kobe got to go up against the Best Guards,most complex defenses,work with best trainers and adapt and evolve and better his game

In college,there is no Hakeem,Ewing,McHale,Kareem,Rodman to teach post game

There is no KD,LJ,PG,CA,RG to go up against and better your game

Its like a high schooler beating middle schoolrs,
what exactly are you going to learn going up against inferior competition

Its like Learning to swim in a kiddle pool,going to a 4-6 ft pool and beating everybody and then you get dropped in the ocean

Delaying your career for what?
Thats basically throwing away millions of dollars--something which 99% of the population doesnt earn in a lifetime and what exactly are you studying those extra 3 years bc its not much with how much time your athletic game is,
What a bachelors in psychology,general studies?


If a team drafts you and you dont perform to their level,thats their fault for not knowing your strengths,weaknesses and even then you could get sent to d league,would be working with best trainers,would develop faster,better,know more

Tony Parker came in the league a horrible shooter,now one of the best inside finishers and 2nd best guard at the rim
LeBron had no range and used his athleticism to overpower people,
now he has good range,solid post game
Dwyane Wade wasnt as good without the ball and good finisher now
one of the best off ball,post inside game players

These college players arent going to get better playing against inferior players all the while having to focus on something else as well,and not getting to play their strengths or work with best trainers

Itll be like the Heat constantly going up against the Bucks,76ers,Pistons,Knicks
and then dominating them-its like what do I need to work on
but if say the Heat went up against the
Mavs,Spurs,Thunder,Bulls theyd up their game and see their weaknesses and adapt,evolve,learn

Inferior comp doesnt make anyone better,superior or equal to makes them work harder,makes them evolve,adapt

Hell,look at Beasley,Perkins,Derrick Williams
Dominated in HS and College,then in NBA they cant handle it

3 Years of Tim Duncan in NBA wouldve helped Duncan
Every Day hed be up against the Shaqs,Ewings,Mourning,Hakeem,Barkley,Mutombo
and hed be trained with some of the most talented big men in History
3 more years in NbA and Duncan is Better Now than if he was in college for 3 years

Some players learn in college,others dont but comp,quality is miles different from nba to college
Its like the ocean vs olympic sized pools

[ILLsmak]

Myth #1: You develop your game more with that extra year.

Reality: Where do you think you're going to learn more about being an NBA player? Practicing/playing against NBA players every day or holding the ball for 35 seconds before shooting a 3-pointer from the free throw line while being defended by a 6'3 white power forward in the NCAA?

Myth #2: You mature as a man.

Reality: Being in college doesn't somehow make you more mature. Travelling the country with grown men with real experience is more beneficial. If you're a childish jackarse that's not going to change - just like if you're mature it's not going to change.

Myth #3: Winning in college means something.

Reality: No, it doesn't.

Myth #4: You might get picked higher next year.

Reality: So what? You just missed out on 5 mill so you can go top 5 instead of top 10. Big deal.

Myth #5: You can study.

Reality: Ever head of distance ed? Ever heard of part time. Shit, college is 12 hours a week at best. Let's not kid ourselves.

Reality BONUS ROUND: Just watch what happened to Kevin Ware. Now look at Andrew "No Knees" Bynum. Went straight from school and guaranteed millions. If you opt-in I hope you break your spine because you deserve it for stupidity.

It's a case by case thing, brothar. IF someone feels they are benefiting from the college experience and wants to stay another year, then GG to them.

Personally, I didn't go to college for very long. If I had found an institution that could have offered me what I wanted, I would have probably stayed.

Ya see what I mean? I am not advocating college, per se. I'm just saying that you have to trust a person when it comes to their own life. Certain things go beyond education and to say these dudes, who have millions sitting and waiting for them, don't understand the trade off, and are incapable of making that decision... is pretty wack of you.

Might even go as far as to say U JELLY.

-Smak

[ILLsmak]

Double post: Not to mention there's no way someone can absorb a coaches basketball knowledge in one year. Dudes in the NBA take a year to learn the triangle offense. And that's 82 games.

I dunno why people can't see that the brand of basketball we have in the NBA right now is related to dudes having no understanding of the game. They never got good coaching and in a way college might be their only chance at that. So, if they find the right coach, they should stay there. They def aren't gonna get good coaching on some 9 and 72 team.

It's gotta be devastating to lose like that after thinking you are a great player.

-Smak

[ralph_i_el]

National Championships are a big deal and I'm sure coach K has been in Jabari's ear like "You know we got 3 new 5 star recruits en route". I can see staying another year if you're going to be the favorite for a championship probably

[sd3035]

The advantage of getting an education is that if your NBA career doesn't pan out, you can do something better than flipping burgers or delivering newspapers

[missionman]

i'm a father, and have two university degrees.
I'd have a hard time telling my son to forego a top 10 draft position into the NBA to go back to school for a year if his goal was just to make it into the NBA. I'd teach my son the value of financial planning and how his rookie contract could last him a lifetime - then tell him take that money. All the reasons from the OP are all reasonable to me. Staying for a 'chance' to win an NCAA championship is just dumb to me.

If my son wants to finish an education - cool. But then i want him to get his degree, not declare after his sophomore year.

Only other reason i could think of staying if MAYBE improving your draft position - MAYBE. If he were projected outside of the lottery or the 2nd round, i'd definitely want him think about staying and getting his degree and maybe, just maybe, work on his game to maybe move up.

I'm not sure that i admire these potential lottery picks for staying an extra year or two in college. I definitely admire those that stay four years and get their degrees.

FORTUNATELY, i won't have this problem - my son just does not have the genes...

[DoodleDa]

These are all your subjective point of views and very far from reality.

[Flash31]

The advantage of getting an education is that if your NBA career doesn't pan out, you can do something better than flipping burgers or delivering newspapers


well,usually athletes are taking irrelevant and meaningless classes just to get by and focus on athletics.

The sheer advantage of another NBA salary for a year is huge.

Most people in their lifetime maybe make what an NBA draft pick makes in the first year.

[missionman]

a top 10 pick makes $6MM guaranteed. A top 20 pick makes $3.6MM guaranteed. Presuming somehow that the time value of money negates the impact of higher tax brackets for that level of salary, you'd have to make $100k for 36 years to make what the 20th pick makes in 3 years...

[secund2nun]

The advantage of getting an education is that if your NBA career doesn't pan out, you can do something better than flipping burgers or delivering newspapers

Most college grads these days are flipping burgers and delivering newspapers. Undergrad degrees are worthless for most people. Plus if you are a high NBA pick you will make way more money in the NBA even if you are a bust than you will ever dream of with a normal job not to mention that basketball players don't have time to take anything but the easiest majors.

[oarabbus]

Any player who stays in college is a retard


Fucccing ironic as fucccc.

[christian1923]

Hoopers have gone to the HOF cause of how good they were in college. I don't know how people can write off college hoops doesn't mean anything. The ncaa tournament is 10x better than anything the NBA can offer honestly.

[oarabbus]

Hoopers have gone to the HOF cause of how good they were in college. I don't know how people can write off college hoops doesn't mean anything. The ncaa tournament is 10x better than anything the NBA can offer honestly.


Your first part is true but the bolded is not

March madness is fantastic but
NBA >>>>>> NCAA

[christian1923]

Your first part is true but the bolded is not

March madness is fantastic but
NBA >>>>>> NCAA
Not the playoff system to me. NBA playoffs are predictable, we all know the finals is going to be either Miami/Indy vs Spurs/Thunder.. There's no surprise. You never know in college. Obviously the talent is alto better in the league though.

[secund2nun]

Hoopers have gone to the HOF cause of how good they were in college. I don't know how people can write off college hoops doesn't mean anything. The ncaa tournament is 10x better than anything the NBA can offer honestly.

I like the NBA a lot more than the NCAA. The Cinderella stuff is a good novelty, but it cannot compare to the NBA playoffs where the best team usually wins. The NCAA tournament is just a matter of getting hot at the right time. It doesn't actually crown the best team and it basically makes the rest of the season until that point irrelevant.

[BIZARRO]

This thread is pretty much an epic fail. Parts of it anyway. Almost EVERY player before 1996 stayed multiple years. Duncan, MJ, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell, Oscar, Barkley, Dr. J, Kareem, , etc. pretty much everyone. Really hurt their development. :facepalm

I don't care if you say they're retards for not taking the money, but don't throw out the worse development angle, as there is NO evidence to the contrary other than just very few players.

That one and done mentality is one of the things that made the league so soft to begin with.

19 year old kids without fundamentals languishing on the bench, getting fat on the coin.

The money is a double edged sword, and don't think for a second money and the NBA lifestyle, clubs, etc. not busting it on every possession like in college is gonna help your development (unless you're a Kobe or Lebron).

Your arguing from exceptions, not the rule, or former rule anyway. Before play got real sloppy.

[El Kabong]

You're not even taking into account the emotional and maturity aspect of it. Physically and skill wise there may be some ready after 1 year, but mentally are they? Debatable for some, and once they get to the NBA level they'll get everything handed to them most likely.

Also, i'd say there are a ton of bigmen who'd have been better off staying (or even going) to college rather than jumping into the NBA.

[wakencdukest]

This thread is pretty much an epic fail. Parts of it anyway. Almost EVERY player before 1996 stayed multiple years. Duncan, MJ, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell, Oscar, Barkley, Dr. J, Kareem, , etc. pretty much everyone. Really hurt their development. :facepalm

I don't care if you say they're retards for not taking the money, but don't throw out the worse development angle, as there is NO evidence to the contrary other than just very few players.

That one and done mentality is one of the things that made the league so soft to begin with.

19 year old kids without fundamentals languishing on the bench, getting fat on the coin.

The money is a double edged sword, and don't think for a second money and the NBA lifestyle, clubs, etc. not busting it on every possession like in college is gonna help your development (unless you're a Kobe or Lebron).

Your arguing from exceptions, not the rule, or former rule anyway. Before play got real sloppy.






:applause:

From a player standpoint, it's a good move to go pro. But, it does absolutely nothing for the quality of the NBA game. I don't know how any fan can say that flooding the league with "potential" is actually good. The NBA is actually worse off with more young, physically undeveloped, immature players, watering down the league. Look at all the underclassmen in the first round of the last draft, people here are already calling a lot of them busts. That's not necessarily the case, they might just need 5 years to develop into something.