What is happening with Harrison Barnes?

[RedBlackAttack]

I'll admit that I've never been bullish when it came to Harrison Barnes and what I felt was unwarranted hype. He was pretty much what I thought he'd be in his rookie regular season -- a solid, albeit somewhat average, starting SF. Then, he had that tremendous run in the playoffs which pleasantly surprised me. I never thought he'd be able to reproduce that over a full season, but he did show some nice skills in that 7-8 game run.


Then came this season... he started out OK in his new backup role, pretty much producing at the same rate he did in his rookie year for the first couple months of the season. That's what I always thought he'd be in the NBA. A solid starter on a pretty good team or a backup on a really good team. That's why I didn't want him with a Top 5 pick, but that doesn't mean I think a guy has no game.

I'm under the impression Barnes has some game, however...

Over the last four months or so, he has been just awful. How bad?

In the 51 games since Dec. 15, he's putting up a meager 7.3 points per game on 33.3% shooting and 32.5% from three, to go along with 3.7 rebounds. That's not exactly a small sample size... it's 2/3 of the season.

It gets worse... As this season has progressed, his play and production have gone further down the drain. In the last 14 games, he's averaging 5.3 points on 26.6% shooting and an almost unfathomable 13% from three. He scored in double-figures for the first time in three weeks last night, but it was just 11 points on 3-12 shooting in 35+ minutes.



Is this an issue with the team or Barnes? I'm assuming it has to be some kind of nasty combination. Does he still have a future there? How do GSW fans feel about his future on the team?

I'm genuinely curious, because these numbers don't make a ton of sense to me.

[JohnFreeman]

He is just terrible and he looks like he has gained weight

[JohnMax]

He is just terrible and he looks like he has gained weight

http://i.minus.com/iBbPOygTSpFPp.gif

[Myth]

He went from overrated (years leading up to his draft), to underrated (draft time), to overrated (rookie year), to potentially underrated again at this time. Astounding.

[RedBlackAttack]

He went from overrated (years leading up to his draft), to underrated (draft time), to overrated (rookie year), to potentially underrated again at this time. Astounding.
He has a long, long way to go to be underrated considering his actual play this season. In fact, I don't think a lot of people realize just how bad it has gotten. 7/4 on 33% shooting in the last 51 games? How do you underrate that?

[Myth]

He has a long, long way to go to be underrated considering his actual play this season. In fact, I don't think a lot of people realize just how bad it has gotten. 7/4 on 33% shooting in the last 51 games? How do you underrate that?

I was thinking more in terms of career outlook because I believe he will bounce back. I do agree that his season is pretty abysmal.

[GOATbrookisGAWD]

He's been unbelievably bad this season.. but I think we'll see him come back to form and have a decent career. Dude is clearly lacking confidence.

[andremiller07]

He's basically become Dubs version of Derrick Williams both play well when they are given extended mins starting and both turn to ghosts in smaller roles off the bench. They need to play with quality players around them to get them easy buckets than there confidents picks up and they can play well otherwise them having to carry bench units is a complete disaster.

[HomieWeMajor]

He's a homeless man's Jeff Green who can only dunk

[Magic731]

Needs a change of scenery. Had loads of potential coming out of the draft, still does. At the time I thought he had landed in a great situation, he seemed to slot in so nicely in between the bigs Lee and Bogut and the guards Curry and Thompson.

The acquisition of Igoudala has undoubtedly hurt him. I don't think it will be too long before he finds himself on another team and as long he gets consistent starter minutes I think he can still put up 16 ppg.

[xfactor99]

He's basically become Dubs version of Derrick Williams both play well when they are given extended mins starting and both turn to ghosts in smaller roles off the bench. They need to play with quality players around them to get them easy buckets than there confidents picks up and they can play well otherwise them having to carry bench units is a complete disaster.

Naw, Barnes hasn't played good in any role this year. With the starters, off the bench, with Curry, with Iguodala, with Bazemore, at power forward, at small forward, posting up, shooting 3's, on defense, in the dunk contest. He's literally sucked at everything.

I think he's pretty overrated to be honest. The only time he's looked good in the NBA was when he was posting up Tony Parker and even then he was shooting some inefficient crap like 7-20. He was mediocre for most of his rookie year as well. He's not that athletic - he actually can't blow by people very well. His instincts suck, he overthinks everything, and he's a total ball-stopper on offense.

I mean there's literally ZERO reason to play him over Draymond Green right now besides the fact that Barnes was the 7th overall pick and Green was the 2nd round pick. Green is a better shooter than Barnes right now, which is sad because Green can't shoot at all. But when Barnes is 2 for his 27 3 pointers, he should be getting DNP-CD's.

[Trentknicks]

He's a homeless man's Jeff Green who can only dunk
As far as I'm concerned his career became a success after this absolutely unfathomable murder of the basket. Also LOL at Pekovic's 'attempt' at a vertical jump, dude has the jumping ability of a set concrete slab.

http://gifrific.gifrific.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Harrison-Barnes-Dunk-on-Nikola-Pekovic.gif

[wally_world]

We give you Channing Frye for him

[kurple]

ISH is just cluelsess.

:facepalm at those that didnt think getting iggy would ruin his development

[absalom]

According to ISH, Barnes > MKG. :facepalm

[Jlamb47]

I think he lost his feel for the game after igudola came cuz his playoff run was impressive. I think he just needs to find a new team IMO. Its harder to get a rythm when coming off the bench,

[BlackVVaves]

Waiting for Dion Waiters to be mentioned here :rolleyes:

I'm almost certain it has to do with the insertion of Iggy. He's a better defender and facilitator, which means he takes a whole lot of Barnes minutes in the clutch.

I think we can all agree that consistent minutes are critical to a young player's development.

[kells333]

Is it fair to day austin rivers > barnes now?

[noob cake]

Barnes was never that good.

Tall athletic wing player who lacked handles to create his own shot even at the college level. Scout saw through this and his stock tanked after his rookie year.

People should be using Barnes as a possible trajectory to Wiggins. Hyper athletic players with loose handles and mere average basketball skills do not always develop into superstars.

I think Barnes is salvageable as a prospect. He has always been a solid shooter. Perhaps if he buys into the role player concept, he he extend his career shooting off the bench,

[Bigsmoke]

he cant get a rhythem coming off the bench.

[oarabbus]

Barnes was never that good.

Tall athletic wing player who lacked handles to create his own shot even at the college level. Scout saw through this and his stock tanked after his rookie year.

People should be using Barnes as a possible trajectory to Wiggins. Hyper athletic players with loose handles and mere average basketball skills do not always develop into superstars.

I think Barnes is salvageable as a prospect. He has always been a solid shooter. Perhaps if he buys into the role player concept, he he extend his career shooting off the bench,


Good post. I definitely overrated Barnes by quite a bit, I'll admit it. Is that what you were looking to hear RBA?

I still think he could be that "one step below an allstar" level, playing for the right coach in the right system. He's not what we thought he was though.

[RedBlackAttack]

Good post. I definitely overrated Barnes by quite a bit, I'll admit it. Is that what you were looking to hear RBA?

I still think he could be that "one step below an allstar" level, playing for the right coach in the right system. He's not what we thought he was though.
Like I said, I always felt Barnes' ceiling was incredibly limited and I was outspoken in the lead up to that 2012 draft that I didn't think he should have even been considered in the Top 5.

However, that's not why I made this thread. I thought he was fine where GSW picked him and I thought what we saw last year was what he was going to be.... good, serviceable starter with a relatively high floor and low ceiling.

I'm as stunned as you are by what has happened to him over the last 50 games. I was just looking for feedback by people who actually have watched him. And whether he still has a future there.

Quite honestly, depending on the price, I wouldn't mind him landing in Cleveland. He could be a good fit next to Dion and Kyrie, assuming he gets his jumper back.

[STATUTORY]

always knew he was gonna be a low ceiling scrub, could tell from the tournament his year in college. people always dismiss tournament performance as predictor for NBA success but with some guys its very easy to tell. he basically had no impact on his team the entire stretch

[alenleomessi]

still better than an... ok ok dont cry

[absalom]

so is Barnes still better than MKG? Put MKG to the dubs and they would not pursue AI, money could be used elsewhere.

[secund2nun]

He was never good. He was hyped up because he was a wing player. That's the only reason why. It's ridiculous.

[JohnFreeman]

I would take him in Sacramento. I think he is just a situation player, put him on a team with generous minutes, and I think he could be good.

[iamgine]

Like I said, I always felt Barnes' ceiling was incredibly limited and I was outspoken in the lead up to that 2012 draft that I didn't think he should have even been considered in the Top 5.

However, that's not why I made this thread. I thought he was fine where GSW picked him and I thought what we saw last year was what he was going to be.... good, serviceable starter with a relatively high floor and low ceiling.

I'm as stunned as you are by what has happened to him over the last 50 games. I was just looking for feedback by people who actually have watched him. And whether he still has a future there.

Quite honestly, depending on the price, I wouldn't mind him landing in Cleveland. He could be a good fit next to Dion and Kyrie, assuming he gets his jumper back.
His shooting percentages from this year is very similar to last year with the exception of shot at the rim. This is the key to his massive drop in production.

Last season, he shot at the rim 30% of the time and had a 69% conversion rate.

This season, he shot at the rim 22% of the time and has a 58% conversion rate.

Massive drop both in attempts and percentages.

[veilside23]

he used to be the starting SF for them.. outside of durant george and lebron you cant simply but him over Iggy.. if you think that doesnt impact his game and confidence then its unfair to judge him. Put him to a team like the bulls or clippers he would give you numbers.. hell even xavier henry put on numbers given an adequate playing time.

[Solefade]

he was great for GSW last year in the playoffs..not sure what happened after that

[scm5]

A few things people forget:

Sophmore slump is a thing

Barnes put on weight/muscle over the summer and that seems to have affected his game.

He is playing a LOT more minutes at PF this year.

[AnaheimLakers24]

mark jackson is a retard. iggy sucks di.k

[boozehound]

Draymond Green is the better all around baller

[absalom]

For those who are hoping that Wiggins would be a superstar beware he could be another Barnes. :(

[Levity]

would Harrison Barnes for Moose Monroe work?

I think it would definitely help the pistons(if monroe isnt in their long term plan)
as for the dubs, with Lee still there, it doesnt seem to make too much sense. but if he was to replace him, a good high post passing big would be nice for the team.

[RoseCity07]

It's funny because most people on ISH thought Barnes and MKG were overrated, a lot of people were high on Drummond but backed off his hype. Now it turns out Drummond really is as good as he looked.

I'd like to see Barnes go to SA. He could get play a lot better for sure.

[Heavincent]

Bump

Dude has been balling lately. 12/5 on 53% shooting with good defense. He still has the occasional game where he's kind of non-existent, but as a whole he's been really good this year.

[Cocaine80s]

Bump

Dude has been balling lately. 12/5 on 53% shooting with good defense. He still has the occasional game where he's kind of non-existent, but as a whole he's been really good this year.
lol wut

[Heavincent]

lol wut

Funny how you didn't bold the FG%. Those are fantastic numbers for a complimentary player. They don't even run plays for him.

[Cocaine80s]

Funny how you didn't bold the FG%. Those are fantastic numbers for a complimentary player. They don't even run plays for him.
I still wouldnt consider 12/5 on 53% "balling"

[Relinquish]

I still wouldnt consider 12/5 on 53% "balling"

As a role player, that is without a doubt balling. :confusedshrug:

[ThatCoolKid]

I still wouldnt consider 12/5 on 53% "balling"

The leading scorer is at 25 ppg. This is the era of ball movement and unselfishness. 12 points is more than it used to be.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

He's become one of the most efficient players in the NBA right now. 10th in 3pt%, 8th in adjusted FG%, 7th in PPS, 16th in overall FG%, 16th in TS%. Also averaging about 7-8 boards a game over last month.

Certainly more comfortable in the role Kerr is using him in.

[bdreason]

He's playing in the starting unit, with better players around him now. Bringing him off the bench and trying to make him a go-to scorer with the 2nd unit was a mistake last season. I'm glad Kerr has the balls to bring Iggy off the bench.

[russwest0]

Steve Kerr saved this guy's career.

Not that he couldn't have gone elsewhere and thrived but it def. wasn't going to happen in GS with Mark Jackson coaching.

[Heavincent]

Also, this wasn't really a bump to laugh at the OP or anything...it's just to show what the coaching change has done for him. He was in the wrong role last year.

[russwest0]

Also, this wasn't really a bump to laugh at the OP or anything...it's just to show what the coaching change has done for him. He was in the wrong role last year.

I remember watching the Warriors offense last year and facepalming at times.

Jackson was trying to get Barnes to become a post up player off the bench... :lol

[Heavincent]

I'm basically using this as the official Harrison Barnes thread now.

20/26 for 47 points in his last two games.

8th best 3 pt shooter in the league this season in terms of % (although he doesn't take a ton of 3's). Good defender too, and can play both the 3 and 4 effectively. Great turnaround for him.

[tomtucker]

did he get fat again ? :wtf: :confusedshrug:

[Nash]

looks like kobe

[John Tesh]

With the exception of this thread, Barnes seems to be the least talked about Warrior.

[warriorfan]

He has a small role on the team. He is a good shooter but isn't needed to shoot much. He is athletic and a solid defender and rebounder. He has shown flashes of greatness at times when it comes to creating for himself but it is not consistent. He has had numerous progressions and regressions. He is liable to disappear for stretches on offense. It's hard to tell if his smaller role offensively is maximizing his talents or holding back his development. I feel it's the former.

[kurple]

Barnes will blow up on the next team he goes to

[BlackVVaves]

Waiting for Dion Waiters to be mentioned here :rolleyes:

I'm almost certain it has to do with the insertion of Iggy. He's a better defender and facilitator, which means he takes a whole lot of Barnes minutes in the clutch.

I think we can all agree that consistent minutes are critical to a young player's development.

:rolleyes:

[1987_Lakers]

I'll admit that I've never been bullish when it came to Harrison Barnes and what I felt was unwarranted hype. He was pretty much what I thought he'd be in his rookie regular season -- a solid, albeit somewhat average, starting SF. Then, he had that tremendous run in the playoffs which pleasantly surprised me. I never thought he'd be able to reproduce that over a full season, but he did show some nice skills in that 7-8 game run.


Then came this season... he started out OK in his new backup role, pretty much producing at the same rate he did in his rookie year for the first couple months of the season. That's what I always thought he'd be in the NBA. A solid starter on a pretty good team or a backup on a really good team. That's why I didn't want him with a Top 5 pick, but that doesn't mean I think a guy has no game.

I'm under the impression Barnes has some game, however...

Over the last four months or so, he has been just awful. How bad?

In the 51 games since Dec. 15, he's putting up a meager 7.3 points per game on 33.3% shooting and 32.5% from three, to go along with 3.7 rebounds. That's not exactly a small sample size... it's 2/3 of the season.

It gets worse... As this season has progressed, his play and production have gone further down the drain. In the last 14 games, he's averaging 5.3 points on 26.6% shooting and an almost unfathomable 13% from three. He scored in double-figures for the first time in three weeks last night, but it was just 11 points on 3-12 shooting in 35+ minutes.



Is this an issue with the team or Barnes? I'm assuming it has to be some kind of nasty combination. Does he still have a future there? How do GSW fans feel about his future on the team?

I'm genuinely curious, because these numbers don't make a ton of sense to me.

It's pretty obvious Mark Jackson hurt his development by benching him in favor of Iggy, Barnes was not comfortable coming off the bench. Once Steve Kerr stepped in, he went with Barnes as the starting SF with Iggy as the 6th man and Barnes has looked solid ever since.

This season Barnes looks better than ever thanks to his improved mid-range shot, his jump shot this year has looked terrific, shoots around 50% from mid-range.

I could easily see him being a 16 ppg scorer on nice efficiency on another team.

[PP34Deuce]

He and MArvin Williams are the same type of player.

Athletic and long
shotty shot
decent 3 point shooters
no handles
can play defense on multiple positions but great defensively.

Quintessential 3 and D player on a lower level.

[Coach Eddie]

He and MArvin Williams are the same type of player.

Athletic and long
shotty shot
decent 3 point shooters
no handles
can play defense on multiple positions but great defensively.

Quintessential 3 and D player on a lower level.
That is a pretty decent comparison.