would heat be better without wade?

[Rose'sACL]

Replace wade with asik plus an okay spot up shooter. Do heat get better?

[IncarceratedBob]

Probably not. Lebron loses his security blanket

[plowking]

Nah, Wade is a big reason why we get easy buckets. His and Lebron's defensive style works so well together.

For all the people saying they aren't an optimal pairing, or not as effective together... they really don't know what they're talking about.
3 finals, 2 championships, great defense and working great off each other on the offensive side, all in 3 years.

[Jlamb47]

They get worse dude. Wade defense is what causes turnovers and stops.
I think Lebron has more floor space to work with when Wades not on the court but Wade brings alot to the table. He can rebound and pass and attack the basket.

[Rose'sACL]

They get worse dude. Wade defense is what causes turnovers and stops.
I think Lebron has more floor space to work with when Wades not on the court but Wade brings alot to the table. He can rebound and pass and attack the basket.
Wade gambles a lot on defense. A good big man defender plus another young spot up shooter who can hit open 3s would make Miami better.
Wade's injuries woes are the reason I made this thread. Healthy wade is still a top 10 player but its and buts are not what I am did using here.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

of course they get better with one of the best shot blockers,rebounders AND defenders in the league protecting the ring.
while Asik has butterfingers he still manages to score around 10 PPG on high efficency.
Heat with Asik and a great spot up shooter and ok defender would absolute own this league.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

also Wades constant sitting out of games then coming back then sitting out again is what causes the heat to have MAJOR chemistry problems.
Wade often comes back after sitting out a few games and takes 3-4 more shots in the first half then LeBron.
thats insane.
Heat are at their best when Wade plays completely off LeBron and focuses on defense to shut down their best guard.
he can then take over as soon as lebron sits.
wade is a player who doesnt need rythm, hes instant offense. LEBron is a rythm player. honestly at this point Wade should be a sixth man, that would be perfect.
Wade as sixth man and a guy like Asik or Gortat and the Heat are steamrolling this league next year

[fpliii]

also Wades constant sitting out of games then coming back then sitting out again is what causes the heat to have MAJOR chemistry problems.
Wade often comes back after sitting out a few games and takes 3-4 more shots in the first half then LeBron.
thats insane.
Heat are at their best when Wade plays completely off LeBron and focuses on defense to shut down their best guard.
he can then take over as soon as lebron sits.
wade is a player who doesnt need rythm, hes instant offense. LEBron is a rythm player. honestly at this point Wade should be a sixth man, that would be perfect.
Wade as sixth man and a guy like Asik or Gortat and the Heat are steamrolling this league next year
:facepalm with regards to the bolded.

Use a traditional big, and you destroy Miami's spacing. If the guy isn't quick on his feet, it'll hurt Miami's defensive scheme.

[Trollsmasher]

No, it'll allow them to play a normal defense. They play this retarded shit only because they don't have a center.

[Flash31]

NO NO No

anyone saying otherwise(lebron stans,morons) is fn stupid

LeBron plays better without Wade bc he plays better with shooters and
theres more room for LeBron but as a team on the defensive end and Offense
they play way better with Wade


This is like saying
Would the Thunder be better without Westbrook?
Woulf the Clippers be better without Chris Paul?

[Mass Debator]

You're asking for like Cleveland 2.0. Sure you have Bosh now, but I doubt they could've beat the Spurs in 2007 with a prime Bosh and Lebron.

Wade, Lebron, and Bosh are basically the perfect defensive combo (more ideal if Oden was healthy and ready). You have three players who are quick on their feet and have around a 7' wingspan. Wade gives the team another dimension when Lebron is "contained" so it's difficult to account for both unless you have 2 great defensive stoppers or a big ass center who gets away with verticality. The Heat win games by playing elite team defense and their offense will come naturally because of it.

What the Heat needs is for their shooters to be more consistent. Chalmers, Battier, and Ray Ray need to be hitting at least 40% for the Heat to be playing at their best. No one wants Wade and Lebron pounding the ball inside all game long risking injuries. You don't need like 4 shooters on the court to have proper spacing.

Plus, Wade is the heart and soul of the team. When the going gets tough, he gets going even if it means playing until his knees are gone. He makes the detail plays that changes the game. His hustle in crunch time is second to none. But yeah, he needs to stop getting hurt. -__-

[JebronLames]

No, but Bosh is more important than wade.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

NO NO No

anyone saying otherwise(lebron stans,morons) is fn stupid

LeBron plays better without Wade bc he plays better with shooters and
theres more room for LeBron but as a team on the defensive end and Offense
they play way better with Wade


This is like saying
Would the Thunder be better without Westbrook?
Woulf the Clippers be better without Chris Paul?
yeah cuz wade is currently as good as those guys right??
look i love Wade, hes a baller. But he isnt that good anymore he just shouldnt dominate the ball anymore, play OFF lebron. thats when hes most effective. can still shut down elite guards more often than not thats great.
then take over when lebron is out. Wade is a no rythm player. he doesnt need rythm to take over and thats great.
for real doe, he HOULD be a sixth man and get the same minutes. that way he can play every mionute when lebron is out and still finish close games.
also he wouldnt hurt their chemistry as much when he sits out all those games.
Wade is like the PERFECT 6th man, i honestly believe he would average around 17-20 PPG like that

[Dresta]

also Wades constant sitting out of games then coming back then sitting out again is what causes the heat to have MAJOR chemistry problems.
Wade often comes back after sitting out a few games and takes 3-4 more shots in the first half then LeBron.
thats insane.
Heat are at their best when Wade plays completely off LeBron and focuses on defense to shut down their best guard.
he can then take over as soon as lebron sits.
wade is a player who doesnt need rythm, hes instant offense. LEBron is a rythm player. honestly at this point Wade should be a sixth man, that would be perfect.
Wade as sixth man and a guy like Asik or Gortat and the Heat are steamrolling this league next year
:facepalm

[Mass Debator]

yeah cuz wade is currently as good as those guys right??
look i love Wade, hes a baller. But he isnt that good anymore he just shouldnt dominate the ball anymore, play OFF lebron. thats when hes most effective. can still shut down elite guards more often than not thats great.
then take over when lebron is out. Wade is a no rythm player. he doesnt need rythm to take over and thats great.
for real doe, he HOULD be a sixth man and get the same minutes. that way he can play every mionute when lebron is out and still finish close games.
also he wouldnt hurt their chemistry as much when he sits out all those games.
Wade is like the PERFECT 6th man, i honestly believe he would average around 17-20 PPG like that
He's basically playing a 6th man role. He checks out early for Ray Ray and commands the second unit in the second/fourth quarter. They play like 10 minutes without each other while stilling playing 33+ minutes.

Or did you want Wade to come off the bench and have Lebron check out early?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

:facepalm
what is absurd about the idea of wade being sixth man with the same minutes??:biggums:
hes 32, hes injury prone, he is not a rythm player and he would get the same minutes but can play well rested in the beginning of halves when LeBron sits. hes the perfect sixth man.
of coure if a guy like Allen gets owned on defense Spo just throws Wade in after a few minutes.
that would be perfect:coleman:

[Dresta]

what is absurd about the idea of wade being sixth man with the same minutes??:biggums:
hes 32, hes injury prone, he is not a rythm player and he would get the same minutes but can play well rested in the beginning of halves when LeBron sits. hes the perfect sixth man.
of coure if a guy like Allen gets owned on defense Spo just throws Wade in after a few minutes.
that would be perfect:coleman:
:facepalm

[aj1987]

what is absurd about the idea of wade being sixth man with the same minutes??:biggums:
hes 32, hes injury prone, he is not a rythm player and he would get the same minutes but can play well rested in the beginning of halves when LeBron sits. hes the perfect sixth man.
of coure if a guy like Allen gets owned on defense Spo just throws Wade in after a few minutes.
that would be perfect:coleman:
You want to start Allen and bench Wade? :facepalm

****ing retard. :facepalm

[Jlamb47]

what is absurd about the idea of wade being sixth man with the same minutes??:biggums:
hes 32, hes injury prone, he is not a rythm player and he would get the same minutes but can play well rested in the beginning of halves when LeBron sits. hes the perfect sixth man.
of coure if a guy like Allen gets owned on defense Spo just throws Wade in after a few minutes.
that would be perfect:coleman:
Ray Allen would be the better 6th man. You always start with your better player. Any basketball player knows this

[Frozen1]

3 straight finals appearances and 2 championships.

Yeah, Miami Heat does have a problem.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Ray Allen would be the better 6th man. You always start with your better player. Any basketball player knows this
yeah right, thats why Dion Waiters, Jeremy Lin and Manu Ginobili all came off the bench this season( in manus case even in his prime):biggums:
Wade would get the same minutes.
what yall nikkas trippin about:biggums:

[Jlamb47]

yeah right, thats why Dion Waiters, Jeremy Lin and Manu Ginobili all came off the bench this season( in manus case even in his prime):biggums:
Wade would get the same minutes.
what yall nikkas trippin about:biggums:

Waiters was cuz his problem with Kyrie and he starts now

Lin was due to him not being able to play defense bro
and he needed the ball in his hand like Harden so that made snese

Ginobli was a ball handler as well so pop wanted him to facilitate the second unit

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Waiters was cuz his problem with Kyrie and he starts now

Lin was due to him not being able to play defense bro
and he needed the ball in his hand like Harden so that made snese

Ginobli was a ball handler as well so pop wanted him to facilitate the second unit
and Wade isnt a ball handler??
lebron is a rythm player that needs the ball alot and his an absolute monster mismatch if you space the floor with 3 pt shooters. Wade doesnt even have 3 pt range.
Wade can only score off the ball off cuts sometimes but hes a ballhandler as well.
6th man would be perfect

[JohnFreeman]

People acting like Wade is a liability

[2swift4u]

Even though he's statistically had a very good season I think the Heat could be better without Wade. Simply because of the fact that they could sign a good healty player (or even two) who really plays hard all the time instead of sitting out a ton of games and playing careless basketball like Wade does during the regular season. However I expect Wade to step it up during the playoffs.

[Akhenaten]

wade is a player who doesnt need rythm,


wow, you know zero about Wade's game, if you believe this.
he's 100% a rhythm player, especially when it comes to his jumper.

[Mass Debator]

I'm still waiting why coming off the bench would be much different than what the rotation is now...

[navy]

Is Wade really this underrated?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

I'm still waiting why coming off the bench would be much different than what the rotation is now...
this. Wade gets tossed around between the bench and court anyway

[Dresta]

I'm still waiting why coming off the bench would be much different than what the rotation is now...
errr.... why are people acting like Wade is completely washed up just because he isn't always dunking on people anymore?

This is from this season:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzGB-iGUAd0

Wade is still the 2nd best player on the Heat, he's still at the centre of how they play defense, and of their effectiveness on the fast-break, where Wade and Bron together are still unstoppable. He plays very well off Bron and is a far better player than Allen is right now. You tend not to start with players as defensively weak as Allen is right now as well, or at least Miami don't.

If Wade can't get up and play 35+ good minutes in the big playoff games this seasons, then Miami isn't winning the title.

[Mass Debator]

this. Wade gets tossed around between the bench and court anyway
Well, I had a different angle in what I say saying. What he's doing now is similar to him commanding the second unit like a "sixth man" would. There's no need to change what's already working because he already have chunks of time without Lebron.

[Flash31]

Is Wade really this underrated?


Most underrated player in the league
Tony Parker is as well

LeBron stans discredit him and Heat haters hate him

a sg avg almost 20,5,5 on 53% with 1+steals,and 0.6 blocks so yeah

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Well, I had a different angle in what I say saying. What he's doing now is similar to him commanding the second unit like a "sixth man" would. There's no need to change what's already working because he already have chunks of time without Lebron.
hes already used like a sixth men.
gets benched with 4 or 5 mins left in the first. starts the second quater. get benched with 6-7 minutes in the quater and then often plays the last 2-3 minutes.
why not have him come in at 4 or 5 minutes left in the first, getting some rythm playing off lebron, then taking over when lebron sits and when hes hot let him finish the half or bring him back with 3 minutes left or something.
Wade is someone you can always throw in there and he has a huge impact but with LeBron on the floor these two sometimes cancel each other out.
LeBron and the Heat are at their best with crazy spacing by 3 pt shooters.
why not try to start the games like that and bring Wade in at a later 4-5 minutes mark or earlier if the shots arent falling.
but whatever, Spobot knows best:coleman:

[Mass Debator]

hes already used like a sixth men.
gets benched with 4 or 5 mins left in the first. starts the second quater. get benched with 6-7 minutes in the quater and then often plays the last 2-3 minutes.
why not have him come in at 4 or 5 minutes left in the first, getting some rythm playing off lebron, then taking over when lebron sits and when hes hot let him finish the half or bring him back with 3 minutes left or something.
Wade is someone you can always throw in there and he has a huge impact but with LeBron on the floor these two sometimes cancel each other out.
LeBron and the Heat are at their best with crazy spacing by 3 pt shooters.
why not try to start the games like that and bring Wade in at a later 4-5 minutes mark or earlier if the shots arent falling.
but whatever, Spobot knows best:coleman:
Well, not gonna lie, Wade has an ego that needs to be stroked. He needs the player introduction.

But I honestly don't see what's wrong with what they're doing now. Lebron ends the quarter with 3 point shooters and during that time, the opposition would be over the foul limit or close to it for Lebron to attack and get free-throws. Wade starts the second fresh and does whatever he wants to. Them starting together has its benefits too. If they're in a groove, they can just blow out teams early.

[aj1987]

but whatever, Spobot knows best:coleman:
Yeah. He does. What he knows won them 3 trips to the Finals and 2 rings.

[Bigsmoke]

no

[Trollsmasher]

Most underrated player in the league
Tony Parker is as well

LeBron stans discredit him and Heat haters hate him

a sg avg almost 20,5,5 on 53% with 1+steals,and 0.6 blocks so yeah
playing 2/3 of the games

Right now it is really just about the faith different people have in him and his health. I have almost no doubt that he will break down in the playoffs again, but other people see it differently

[secund2nun]

Replace wade with asik plus an okay spot up shooter. Do heat get better?

Miami would be a lot better if this happened.

[secund2nun]

:facepalm with regards to the bolded.

Use a traditional big, and you destroy Miami's spacing. If the guy isn't quick on his feet, it'll hurt Miami's defensive scheme.

A traditional big would make Miami a million times better. The rebounding, post defense, and even post scoring would be a lot better. Currently Miami is a pathetic rebounding and post defending team.

Also replacing Wade with Asik and a good shooting SG would keep spacing equal. Remember Miami does not play a center much because they don't really have one, but look at how good Birdman is for Miami....Asik would be scary on Miami.

[secund2nun]

No, it'll allow them to play a normal defense. They play this retarded shit only because they don't have a center.

+1

Miami's current system is trash.

[aj1987]

+1

Miami's current system is trash.
And yet they've been to 3 Finals and won 2 in a row. :facepalm

[secund2nun]

And yet they've been to 3 Finals and won 2 in a row. :facepalm

That's because they have prime Lebron, Bosh, and Wade. And let's be real Miami was very lucky to win last year. Having a hole at center in year 4 is unacceptable. Riley made a huge mistake refusing to trade for Orlando's center when he had the chance. Talk about overvaluing Cole and Chalmers, both mediocre easily replaceable players.

[aj1987]

That's because they have prime Lebron, Bosh, and Wade. And let's be real Miami was very lucky to win last year. Having a hole at center in year 4 is unacceptable. Riley made a huge mistake refusing to trade for Orlando's center when he had the chance. Talk about overvaluing Cole and Chalmers, both mediocre easily replaceable players.
Wade was far from his prime (not to mention injured) last playoffs and Bosh played like shit. Although LeBron had a terrific playoff run, it wasn't an all time great performance or anything. Still, Miami won. I do believe that Miami needs a better rebounder, but Miami NEEDS Wade's and Bosh's (help) defense. Both are just as untradable as LeBron. Also, why would you want to fix something that is not broken? Miami's main problem is age. We need to get rid of Allen, Battier, Lewis, and a couple of others. Get young players in. The lack of speed is what kills us most of the time. Just imagine last seasons playoffs with regular season Wade and Bosh. Miami would've gone 16-4.

[Solefade]

Wade is underrated? why is his health so overlooked then? and why do people pretend like he's been having amazing playoff runs the past 2 years when clearly he hasn't?

we all know what wade can do when he's healthy but that's a big question mark

[secund2nun]

Wade was far from his prime (not to mention injured) last playoffs and Bosh played like shit. Although LeBron had a terrific playoff run, it wasn't an all time great performance or anything. Still, Miami won. I do believe that Miami needs a better rebounder, but Miami NEEDS Wade's and Bosh's (help) defense. Both are just as untradable as LeBron. Also, why would you want to fix something that is not broken? Miami's main problem is age. We need to get rid of Allen, Battier, Lewis, and a couple of others. Get young players in. The lack of speed is what kills us most of the time. Just imagine last seasons playoffs with regular season Wade and Bosh. Miami would've gone 16-4.

I am not arguing that if you took Wade off and replaced him with nothing that Miami would improve, but that if you replaced him and his salary with other players Miami would be better than they are now. Wade and Lebron are just not an ideal fit together because of spacing issues and how the hole at center is not addressed. Not to mention Wade has been banged up the last 2 playoff runs, has missed nearly 25 games so far this season and is only gonna get older. I know Miami won't get rid of Wade, but I am just arguing they would be a lot better with some other players instead of wade. Imagine if Miami had Noah instead of Wade- Miami would be much improved.

Well it's about improving. This Miami team, with a legit center, would steamroll every NBA team including the Spurs and Pacers. Wade and Lebron simply do not fit together well enough on offense to ever get the best out of them on offense and because of the big salary devote on the wing players and stretch PF Bosh Miami doesn't have much money to improve at center.

Simply put I honestly believe a trio of Asik-Bosh-Lebron would be a lot better than the current big 3. The heat are a massively flawed team structure wise (no center, Wade and Lebron aren't good fits). A defensive anchor like Asik would transform the Miami defense and rebounding.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

I am not arguing that if you took Wade off and replaced him with nothing that Miami would improve, but that if you replaced him and his salary with other players Miami would be better than they are now. Wade and Lebron are just not an ideal fit together because of spacing issues and how the hole at center is not addressed. Not to mention Wade has been banged up the last 2 playoff runs, has missed nearly 25 games so far this season and is only gonna get older. I know Miami won't get rid of Wade, but I am just arguing they would be a lot better with some other players instead of wade. Imagine if Miami had Noah instead of Wade- Miami would be much improved.

Well it's about improving. This Miami team, with a legit center, would steamroll every NBA team including the Spurs and Pacers. Wade and Lebron simply do not fit together well enough on offense to ever get the best out of them on offense and because of the big salary devote on the wing players and stretch PF Bosh Miami doesn't have much money to improve at center.

Simply put I honestly believe a trio of Asik-Bosh-Lebron would be a lot better than the current big 3. The heat are a massively flawed team structure wise (no center, Wade and Lebron aren't good fits). A defensive anchor like Asik would transform the Miami defense and rebounding.
truth bomb.
and its not a knock on Wade at all. its not his fault he has bad knees.
its just that with a real Center, and Asik is terrific in anything but offense, this heat team would be unstoppable assuming they get an okay defender and great threepoint shooter to share minutes with Allen

[funnystuff]

Sorry, but Wade has hardly done ANYTHING these last 2 playoffs.

Also, how can a guy be so unhealthy and underrated at the same time?

[Mass Debator]

I am not arguing that if you took Wade off and replaced him with nothing that Miami would improve, but that if you replaced him and his salary with other players Miami would be better than they are now. Wade and Lebron are just not an ideal fit together because of spacing issues and how the hole at center is not addressed. Not to mention Wade has been banged up the last 2 playoff runs, has missed nearly 25 games so far this season and is only gonna get older. I know Miami won't get rid of Wade, but I am just arguing they would be a lot better with some other players instead of wade. Imagine if Miami had Noah instead of Wade- Miami would be much improved.

Well it's about improving. This Miami team, with a legit center, would steamroll every NBA team including the Spurs and Pacers. Wade and Lebron simply do not fit together well enough on offense to ever get the best out of them on offense and because of the big salary devote on the wing players and stretch PF Bosh Miami doesn't have much money to improve at center.

Simply put I honestly believe a trio of Asik-Bosh-Lebron would be a lot better than the current big 3. The heat are a massively flawed team structure wise (no center, Wade and Lebron aren't good fits). A defensive anchor like Asik would transform the Miami defense and rebounding.
It's going to be pretty hard to fill the 20 points that Wade produces which he scores a lot off his ball handling too. Bosh is not going to be a 24ppg scorer anymore in a Lebron system. Someone like Asik cannot cover Wade's production. I cannot imagine that adding Asik and losing Wade will make Miami much better against the Pacers. And we haven't even brought up the leadership intangibles either. Lebron came Miami to have someone like Wade. Someone who will have big games and spark confidence in a team like in the finals game 4. Like SAS says, no one moves as efficiently as D-Wade. Every step he takes counts. He doesn't even look like he tries on defense because he moves so efficiently. Always in the right position or remotely close. Always making a play when it counts. That block, that steal, that drive, that out-of-bounds save, that rightly timed technical foul, that heart...he's simply a winner who has done so much for being 6'4. When he speaks, you listen. Of course there's his bad side of always being hurt. Disrupting the chemistry for being so on and off. It still got him 3 chips and you can say it's because of Lebron, but who got Bron here? Why did Lebron come here? He wanted to become a part of the fire that Wade brings. It's sad to see him decline, but he'll always make winning plays as long as he's playing. I can't see anyone else that can bring "the man" out of Lebron besides Kobe and CP3. Just imagine Lebron and Harden playing together. Harden can shoot tho...:confusedshrug: