Put a Prime Thurmond, Walton, Moses, McAdoo, and Gilmore in Today's NBA...

[LAZERUSS]

We always read topics about transporting Wilt, Russell, and Kareem into the current NBA, but how about these guys, and in their primes?

Moses is the most intriguing...he was 6-10, at about 245 in his prime, was not particularly athletic, and had limited range...and yet was putting up 30-15 seasons at his peak.

McAdoo was blowing the NBA away in the mid-70's.

We only saw glimpses of what a healthy Walton could do, but he was brilliant in 76-77 and 77-78 (before he was injured.)

And Gilmore was 7-2, probably peaked at 290, was arguably the second strongest man who ever played in the NBA, and who put up some unfathomable FG% seasons later in his career.

Thurmond was a full 6-11, and supposedly had a higher standing reach than Wilt. His man-to-man defense against both Wilt and Kareem was the best ever against either. And he was outplaying Reed, Bellamy, and Russell in the 60's. Not only that, but he had huge games against 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier in the early 70's.

[Railgun]

Did not read. They might be double double players, but just barely. The 60's are a weak ass era, y'know.

[LAZERUSS]

Did not read. They might be double double players, but just barely. The 60's are a weak ass era, y'know.

I understand. That post was too long for someone like you...

but thanks for taking the time to comment on it, anyway.

[Railgun]

I understand. That post was too long for someone like you...

but thanks for taking the time to comment on it, anyway.
yw.
this thread might get to 2 pages but it's still unlikely (no one cares about 60's players). i'll post here again to help u out

[LAZERUSS]

yw.
this thread might get to 2 pages but it's still unlikely (no one cares about 60's players). i'll post here again to help u out

Don't bother.

BTW, Moses. Gilmore, Walton, and McAdoo were still playing in the 80's. Moses was DOMINATING them.

[JohnFreeman]

sympathy bump

[KobesFinger]

I think you're a very knowledgeable poster who brings something other than LeBron/Kobe iz da bess lololol1!!1 but not many posters on here, me included, know much about the players in your hypothetical. The average age of ISH is about 20 and the average IQ seems to be lower than that.

Add some videos if you have any. That would definitely help.

[dr.hee]

I'll go with a very bold prediction and say that HOF players in their prime will probably play like HOF players in their prime.

Amazing thread, Jlauber has come a long way since believing that past players are inferior :applause:

[Uncle Drew]

Do wonder what Bill Walton would put up in this league. If Noah has a triple double once a month, Walton could average one. Arguably the most skilled, and best passing big man ever. Period.

[aj1987]

We always read topics about transporting Wilt, Russell, and Kareem into the current NBA, but how about these guys, and in their primes?

Moses is the most intriguing...he was 6-10, at about 245 in his prime, was not particularly athletic, and had limited range...and yet was putting up 30-15 seasons at his peak.

McAdoo was blowing the NBA away in the mid-70's.

We only saw glimpses of what a healthy Walton could do, but he was brilliant in 76-77 and 77-78 (before he was injured.)

And Gilmore was 7-2, probably peaked at 290, was arguably the second strongest man who ever played in the NBA, and who put up some unfathomable FG% seasons later in his career.

Thurmond was a full 6-11, and supposedly had a higher standing reach than Wilt. His man-to-man defense against both Wilt and Kareem was the best ever against either. And he was outplaying Reed, Bellamy, and Russell in the 60's. Not only that, but he had huge games against 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier in the early 70's.
Are you sure? I thought that Wilt was the 2nd strongest after Shaq.

[LAZERUSS]

I think you're a very knowledgeable poster who brings something other than LeBron/Kobe iz da bess lololol1!!1 but not many posters on here, me included, know much about the players in your hypothetical. The average age of ISH is about 20 and the average IQ seems to be lower than that.

Add some videos if you have any. That would definitely help.

There is some quality YouTube footage on nearly all of them, although Thurmond's is very limited.

Still, when you consider that Moses routinely bombed a near-prime Kareem, ...and a KAJ, at 38 and 39, who was just slaughtering Hakeem in the mid-to-late 80's (as well as Ewing), what does that say about Moses?

Or that a prime KAJ faced an aging Thurmond in nearly 40 H2H games from '69 thru Nate's last quality season of '72-73, and could only shoot .447 against him, and with a high game of only 34 points...what does that say about Nate's defense?

McAdoo also routinely outscored KAJ (he also had the highest know game against him, of 45 points), and was arguably the best player in the game in the mid-70's...so what does that tell us about his offense? BTW, he averaged 34.5 ppg in his 74-75 season, in an NBA that averaged 102.6 ppg.

[LAZERUSS]

Are you sure? I thought that Wilt was the 2nd strongest after Shaq.

Shaq wasn't even the strongest in his own era.

Hell, Barkley was stronger...

[aj1987]

Shaq wasn't even the strongest in his own era.

Hell, Barkley was stronger...
:oldlol:

:facepalm

Now I know why you actually believe that Wilt wasn't a choker. You're just an idiot.

[LAZERUSS]

Shaq wasn't even the strongest in his own era.

Hell, Barkley was stronger...

Actual proof...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW2-x-0lAQo

BTW, does anyone in their right mind honestly believe Shaq ever benched over 400 lbs? The man couldn't budge that weight...

[dr.hee]

What's up Laz, slow day at the retirement home? Are you banned from playing bingo because no one wants to hear crap about mountain lions anymore?

[Trollsmasher]

McAdoo is sitting on the bench in today's NBA:confusedshrug:

[LAZERUSS]

McAdoo is sitting on the bench in today's NBA:confusedshrug:

McAdoo was the Kevin Durant of his era, except he could also rebound, block shots, and post up...

[Rose'sACL]

McAdoo was the Kevin Durant of his era, except he could also rebound, block shots, and post up...
kd is 25 and i would still take him over prime mcadoo 10 out of 10 times and any unbiased poster would do the same.

[LAZERUSS]

kd is 25 and i would still take him over prime mcadoo 10 out of 10 times and any unbiased poster would do the same.

McAdoo's PRIME came when he was between 22-24. Too bad injuries basically ruined his career. He was still a force in the Lakers title run in 81-82 though.

BTW, in those three years, he finished 2nd, 1st, and 2nd in the MVP voting, and in fact, was robbed of the MVP in '76 by a Kareem who played on a 40-42 team.

[Rose'sACL]

McAdoo's PRIME came when he was between 22-24. Too bad injuries basically ruined his career. He was still a force in the Lakers title run in 81-82 though.
i would still take durant.

[LAZERUSS]

i would still take durant.

Put Durant back in the mid-70's and you wouldn't. NO ONE would have.

[Rose'sACL]

Put Durant back in the mid-70's and you wouldn't. NO ONE would have.
why not? he would have even better stats than what he has had this season.

[Railgun]

this guy is delusional :oldlol:

[Railgun]

Durant would average 50 in that weak ass era. Bob Mcadoo? Who the hell is that? :roll:

[Trollsmasher]

McAdoo was the Kevin Durant of his era, except he could also rebound, block shots, and post up...
no, he literally is on the bench

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/heat/photos/600_tipoff_mcadoo_120406.jpg

see?

[dr.hee]

why not? he would have even better stats than what he has had this season.

No you're wrong. The only players who would be great in any era are the ones Jlauber is gay for. Everybody else would suck. You didn't know that?

[LAZERUSS]

why not? he would have even better stats than what he has had this season.

Oh really? A Durant who is playing in an NBA that shoots an eFG% of 50% and averages 100 ppg...over a McAdoo who averaged 35 ppg in an NBA that shot .457 and averaged 103 ppg? And a McAdoo that was also among the league leaders in rebounding?

[LAZERUSS]

no, he literally is on the bench

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/heat/photos/600_tipoff_mcadoo_120406.jpg

see?

Looks like he could STILL play...

Hell, he HAS to be better than whatever clowns the Heat are using center...

[aj1987]

Oh really? A Durant who is playing in an NBA that shoots an eFG% of 50% and averages 100 ppg...over a McAdoo who averaged 35 ppg in an NBA that shot .457 and averaged 103 ppg? And a McAdoo that was also among the league leaders in rebounding?
:facepalm

The **** is wrong with you? Just because the league average was 45.7%, you think Durant would suddenly forget to shoot?

[Railgun]

Howard would be a top 10 player of alltime if he played in the 60's. No lie.

[Helix]

kd is 25 and i would still take him over prime mcadoo 10 out of 10 times and any unbiased poster would do the same.


Go ahead.......take Durant. I'll take McAdoo.

And 10 out of 10 times? That wouldn't be the case with unbiased, KNOWLEDGEABLE posters.

[Suguru101]

Bill Walton would be the best player in the league. I am not even kidding about this.

Take Joakim Noah, make him 7'2, make him stronger, give him better court vision and make him a better passer, make him a 16-18 rebounds per game kind of guy, make him better defensively, and then make him a 19-24 points per game center... who could score more if his team focused the offense on him scoring instead of him passing.

Best player in the league.

[LAZERUSS]

:facepalm

The **** is wrong with you? Just because the league average was 45.7%, you think Durant would suddenly forget to shoot?

He would be facing different defenses, in a different era, and in a league in which there was no 3pt shot.

No, he wouldn't have come close to the player he is now...

[dr.hee]

:facepalm

The **** is wrong with you? Just because the league average was 45.7%, you think Durant would suddenly forget to shoot?

Yes, absolutely. Let's say I'm shooting 50% in a league where my competition is only shooting 40% on average. My god, can you imagine how good I'd shoot if my opponents could shoot better? Hell, I would shoot about 60% and might even kill a mountain lion or two.

[LAZERUSS]

Howard would be a top 10 player of alltime if he played in the 60's. No lie.

I doubt it...he probably wouldn't have even been a Top-10 center in the early 70's...

[Railgun]

Go ahead.......take Durant. I'll take McAdoo.

And 10 out of 10 times? That wouldn't be the case with unbiased, KNOWLEDGEABLE posters.
Jlauber logging into his alts :roll:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Only Lebron and Durant could rival prime Moses for best in the game, nowadays. At his peak he was simply great, just a beast, no bigman today could even dream of competing with him, he'd be killing these centers especially, snatching some MVPs along the way. Think of something like a bigger and even more physical Kevin Love on the boards, a relentless center that would go inside and bang with anyone, with some great finishing skills and good touch down-low, something like a taller and more athletic Zach Randolph, a center that would draw many fouls and hit his FT's at a good %, also with a nice post-game and taking/making some jumpers, even, as well. Also pretty good on defense, at his best, could be a blackhole on offense many times though, but he was very impactful leading his teams.

Right now, only Durant can be argued as a better scorer than peak McAdoo. Big Mac is really underrated/overlooked these days, he was a great player, just go watch that man play, he had a great prime that even came in his first years and didn't last long because of injuries, such a shame. Think of him as sort of a mixture between KD, Dirk and Garnett. He could really shoot the rock, had plenty of range, one of the GOAT at making contested jumpers, very athletic, great in transition, could handle the ball and attack the rim, good post-game, could reach 80% from the FT line, great rebounder, smart and good defensively.
In his younger/best days he had to play at center because of his teams needs - causing great mismatches but also getting "abused" by taller/bigger centers - but he was more of a PF or even SF, call him a stretch 4 on offense.
Certainly top3 in the game, best big, and would be a very top threat for MVP every time, right now at his best. He only had like 3 seasons at that level, at his best level, because of constant injuries, though.

Gilmore was really tall, scary strong, plus pretty skilled on various areas, great player/talent but he was many times called lazy, or better yet not agressive enough, and said to not live up to his full potential or just "relaxing" too much on the court. Still, considering the centers of today, he would definitely be the best center in the game. Dude would most likely be leading the league in FG% while scoring more than 20, grabbing plenty of boards, playing some pretty good D with his shot-blocking, and he could also pass the rock.

Thurmond would be the best defensive player in the game most likely.. Arguably the GOAT m2m post-defender as he really "locked, more than a couple of times, centers like Wilt, Kareem or Reed, in a way that nobody quite did or could do; he wasn't on a level of a Russell or even a Wilt, and so on, as a paint protector and as a help/team defender but he was a great shot-blocker as well, and monster rebounder. Dude would be winning DPOYs, no doubt. He was also more than solid on the offensive end, so he would probably be the best center in the game, at his very best.

[Rose'sACL]

Oh really? A Durant who is playing in an NBA that shoots an eFG% of 50% and averages 100 ppg...over a McAdoo who averaged 35 ppg in an NBA that shot .457 and averaged 103 ppg? And a McAdoo that was also among the league leaders in rebounding?
why not? today's players take a lot more 3s which eFG% a lot higher plus the fact that durant himself takes a lot of 3s. he scores more than 7 points per game through 3s that makes his eFG% a lot better.

[LAZERUSS]

Only Lebron and Durant could rival prime Moses for best in the game, nowadays. At his peak he was simply great, just a beast, no bigman today could even dream of competing with him, he'd be killing these centers especially, snatching some MVPs along the way. Think of something like a bigger and even more physical Kevin Love on the boards, a relentless center that would go inside and bang with anyone, with some great finishing skills and good touch down-low, something like a taller and more athletic Zach Randolph, a center that would draw many fouls and hit his FT's at a good %, also with a nice post-game and taking/making some jumpers, even, as well. Also pretty good on defense, at his best, could be a blackhole on offense many times though, but he was very impactful leading his teams.

Right now, only Durant can be argued as a better scorer than peak McAdoo. Big Mac is really underrated/overlooked these days, he was a great player, just go watch that man play, he had a great prime that even came in his first years and didn't last long because of injuries, such a shame. Think of him as sort of a mixture between KD, Dirk and Garnett. He could really shoot the rock, had plenty of range, one of the GOAT at making contested jumpers, very athletic, great in transition, could handle the ball and attack the rim, good post-game, could reach 80% from the FT line, great rebounder, smart and good defensively.
In his younger/best days he had to play at center because of his teams needs - causing great mismatches but also getting "abused" by taller/bigger centers - but he was more of a PF or even SF, call him a stretch 4 on offense.
Certainly top3 in the game, best big, and would be a very top threat for MVP every time, right now at his best. He only had like 3 seasons at that level, at his best level, because of constant injuries, though.

Gilmore was really tall, scary strong, plus pretty skilled on various areas, great player/talent but he was many times called lazy, or better yet not agressive enough, and said to not live up to his full potential or just "relaxing" too much on the court. Still, considering the centers of today, he would definitely be the best center in the game. Dude would most likely be leading the league in FG% while scoring more than 20, grabbing plenty of boards, playing some pretty good D with his shot-blocking, and he could also pass the rock.

Thurmond would be the best defensive player in the game most likely.. Arguably the GOAT m2m post-defender as he really "locked, more than a couple of times, centers like Wilt, Kareem or Reed, in a way that nobody quite did or could do; he wasn't on a level of a Russell or even a Wilt, and so on, as a paint protector and as a help/team defender but he was a great shot-blocker as well, and monster rebounder. Dude would be winning DPOYs, no doubt. He was also more than solid on the offensive end, so he would probably be the best center in the game, at his very best.

Damn...

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Railgun]

Only Lebron and Durant could rival prime Moses for best in the game, nowadays. At his peak he was simply great, just a beast, no bigman today could even dream of competing with him, he'd be killing these centers especially, snatching some MVPs along the way. Think of something like a bigger and even more physical Kevin Love on the boards, a relentless center that would go inside and bang with anyone, with some great finishing skills and good touch down-low, something like a taller and more athletic Zach Randolph, a center that would draw many fouls and hit his FT's at a good %, also with a nice post-game and taking/making some jumpers, even, as well. Also pretty good on defense, at his best, could be a blackhole on offense many times though, but he was very impactful leading his teams.

Right now, only Durant can be argued as a better scorer than peak McAdoo. Big Mac is really underrated/overlooked these days, he was a great player, just go watch that man play, he had a great prime that even came in his first years and didn't last long because of injuries, such a shame. Think of him as sort of a mixture between KD, Dirk and Garnett. He could really shoot the rock, had plenty of range, one of the GOAT at making contested jumpers, very athletic, great in transition, could handle the ball and attack the rim, good post-game, could reach 80% from the FT line, great rebounder, smart and good defensively.
In his younger/best days he had to play at center because of his teams needs - causing great mismatches but also getting "abused" by taller/bigger centers - but he was more of a PF or even SF, call him a stretch 4 on offense.
Certainly top3 in the game, best big, and would be a very top threat for MVP every time, right now at his best. He only had like 3 seasons at that level, at his best level, because of constant injuries, though.

Gilmore was really tall, scary strong, plus pretty skilled on various areas, great player/talent but he was many times called lazy, or better yet not agressive enough, and said to not live up to his full potential or just "relaxing" too much on the court. Still, considering the centers of today, he would definitely be the best center in the game. Dude would most likely be leading the league in FG% while scoring more than 20, grabbing plenty of boards, playing some pretty good D with his shot-blocking, and he could also pass the rock.

Thurmond would be the best defensive player in the game most likely.. Arguably the GOAT m2m post-defender as he really "locked, more than a couple of times, centers like Wilt, Kareem or Reed, in a way that nobody quite did or could do; he wasn't on a level of a Russell or even a Wilt, and so on, as a paint protector and as a help/team defender but he was a great shot-blocker as well, and monster rebounder. Dude would be winning DPOYs, no doubt. He was also more than solid on the offensive end, so he would probably be the best center in the game, at his very best.
Did not read.

[Rose'sACL]

Only Lebron and Durant could rival prime Moses for best in the game, nowadays. At his peak he was simply great, just a beast, no bigman today could even dream of competing with him, he'd be killing these centers especially, snatching some MVPs along the way. Think of something like a bigger and even more physical Kevin Love on the boards, a relentless center that would go inside and bang with anyone, with some great finishing skills and good touch down-low, something like a taller and more athletic Zach Randolph, a center that would draw many fouls and hit his FT's at a good %, also with a nice post-game and taking/making some jumpers, even, as well. Also pretty good on defense, at his best, could be a blackhole on offense many times though, but he was very impactful leading his teams.

Right now, only Durant can be argued as a better scorer than peak McAdoo. Big Mac is really underrated/overlooked these days, he was a great player, just go watch that man play, he had a great prime that even came in his first years and didn't last long because of injuries, such a shame. Think of him as sort of a mixture between KD, Dirk and Garnett. He could really shoot the rock, had plenty of range, one of the GOAT at making contested jumpers, very athletic, great in transition, could handle the ball and attack the rim, good post-game, could reach 80% from the FT line, great rebounder, smart and good defensively.
In his younger/best days he had to play at center because of his teams needs - causing great mismatches but also getting "abused" by taller/bigger centers - but he was more of a PF or even SF, call him a stretch 4 on offense.
Certainly top3 in the game, best big, and would be a very top threat for MVP every time, right now at his best. He only had like 3 seasons at that level, at his best level, because of constant injuries, though.

Gilmore was really tall, scary strong, plus pretty skilled on various areas, great player/talent but he was many times called lazy, or better yet not agressive enough, and said to not live up to his full potential or just "relaxing" too much on the court. Still, considering the centers of today, he would definitely be the best center in the game. Dude would most likely be leading the league in FG% while scoring more than 20, grabbing plenty of boards, playing some pretty good D with his shot-blocking, and he could also pass the rock.

Thurmond would be the best defensive player in the game most likely.. Arguably the GOAT m2m post-defender as he really "locked, more than a couple of times, centers like Wilt, Kareem or Reed, in a way that nobody quite did or could do; he wasn't on a level of a Russell or even a Wilt, and so on, as a paint protector and as a help/team defender but he was a great shot-blocker as well, and monster rebounder. Dude would be winning DPOYs, no doubt. He was also more than solid on the offensive end, so he would probably be the best center in the game, at his very best.

didn't read. Too much bold like you are afraid that people might miss your post.

[aj1987]

He would be facing different defenses, in a different era, and in a league in which there was no 3pt shot.

No, he wouldn't have come close to the player he is now...
Sure. Lets not act like West, who was 6'2" and 190, was averaging 30 PPG back then.

[LAZERUSS]

Could not read.

As in...could not comprehend...

[LAZERUSS]

Sure. Lets not act like West, who was 6'2" and 190, was averaging 30 PPG back then.

How in the hell did Iverson average over 30 in THIS era then?

Oh and how is a 6-8 white guy among the league leaders in rebounding, and who in fact, LED the league, and by a wide margin, a couple of years ago, and all while playing 35 mpg?

Or a 6-2 37 year old white guy like Steve Nash running away with APG titles, and doing so in 33 mpg in THIS era?

[Suguru101]

Sure. Lets not act like West, who was 6'2" and 190, was averaging 30 PPG back then.

Meh, don't mest with West, he was legit. He was actually 6'4.

Look at him like a less athletic Wade but with a much better jumpshot/freethrows.

[Helix]

How in the hell did Iverson average over 30 in THIS era then?

Oh and how is a 6-8 white guy among the league leaders in rebounding, and who in fact, LED the league, and by a wide margin, a couple of years ago, and all while playing 35 mpg?

Or a 6-2 37 year old white guy like Steve Nash running away with APG titles, and doing so in 33 mpg in THIS era?


Weak era maybe?

[LAZERUSS]

Weak era maybe?

CLEARLY...

white guys winning rpg titles, apg titles, bpg titles, and even FMVP's...

:roll: :roll: :roll:

I guess Cousy and Mikan would THRIVE in this era...

[Helix]

CLEARLY...

white guys winning rpg titles, apg titles, bpg titles, and even FMVP's...

:roll: :roll: :roll:

I guess Cousy and Mikan would THRIVE in this era...


Well, I guess we agree because we are the same poster, right?

[SHAQisGOAT]

didn't read. Too much bold like you are afraid that people might miss your post.


Did not read.

Cool, good for me because I might get some ignorant-ass replies or even questions from you children :lol

You know nothing about McAdoo, never seen a second of his play, never read nothing about him and you've probably never even seen his stats or acomplishments (coming at an young age, even, because of injuries).. But you just go ahead and say anyone would easily take Durant over Mac :oldlol: Some people actually know what they're talking about y'know? Not saying I would take McAdoo or saying he was definitely better but in this league especially I'd probably take him yea, as a stretch 4 or even more suited at C nowadays, that's I didn't know about the injuries of course... Dude was on the same level as KD as a scorer, was also very tall and very long, better in the post, better rebounder, stronger, better/more impactful on D and more versatile defender, close behind as a passer.. So just think about that, dude was MVP once and 2nd twice, with Kareem, Walton or Barry in the league.

[Rose'sACL]

How in the hell did Iverson average over 30 in THIS era then?

Oh and how is a 6-8 white guy among the league leaders in rebounding, and who in fact, LED the league, and by a wide margin, a couple of years ago, and all while playing 35 mpg?

Or a 6-2 37 year old white guy like Steve Nash running away with APG titles, and doing so in 33 mpg in THIS era?
he did so at a very poor FG%. You are using an example that is working against your theory.
Also, some white players doing well doesn't mean that league should start taking less black players. i don't care what the reason is but african americans on average are better basketball players than other races.

[aj1987]

How in the hell did Iverson average over 30 in THIS era then?

What does that have to do with KD being a dominant scorer in the '60's and '70's?


Oh and how is a 6-8 white guy among the league leaders in rebounding, and who in fact, LED the league, and by a wide margin, a couple of years ago, and all while playing 35 mpg?
You do know that Love is 6'10" in shoes, right? It's not like he plays without shoes. Also, a 6'7" rodman and 6'5" Barkley are among the greatest rebounders off all time. I don't even know why you're bringing up height. It's not like I ever said only short white guys played in the '60's and '70's (I NEVER did).



Or a 6-2 37 year old white guy like Steve Nash running away with APG titles, and doing so in 33 mpg in THIS era?
Again, what the **** does that have to do with anything that we're talking about?

KD would be a dominant scorer in ANY era. Deal with it.

[Trollsmasher]

Looks like he could STILL play...

Hell, he HAS to be better than whatever clowns the Heat are using center...
I agree with that:lol

Gonna to check some footage of him later. He always intrugued me as a player, but I never got around to watch something.

[Natureland]

Hey I don't wanna break up this discussion but I was just wondering, how was McAdoo defensively? Was he a liability? Just curious.

[Railgun]

mcadoo=poor man's chris bosh

[Rose'sACL]

Hey I don't wanna break up this discussion but I was just wondering, how was McAdoo defensively? Was he a liability? Just curious.
better than prime WILT.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Didn't even see Walton there. He was phenomenal already at such a young age, shame for injuries. He was a pretty good and versatile scorer, good in the post, could shoot and hit his FT's, very unselfish and arguably the greatest passing center, tremendous rebounder and defensive player, major understanding of the game, big intangibles. He was like a slightly inferior version of Bill Russell (this at 25 years old), that's with slight worse defense but better scoring, he had something like Larry Bird impact at center. Say, Joakim Noah is like a poor man's Walton, right now, think about that... Dude would be the best center in the game right now, easily, top3 in the game at least, major threat for MVP while leading his team and making them great contenders... He just couldn't stay healthy long enough.

[Suguru101]

Didn't even see Walton there. He was phenomenal already at such a young age, shame for injuries. He was a pretty good and versatile scorer, good in the post, could shoot and hit his FT's, very unselfish and arguably the greatest passing center, tremendous rebounder and defensive player, major understanding of the game, big intangibles. He was like a slightly inferior version of Bill Russell (this at 25 years old), that's with slight worse defense but better scoring, he had something like Larry Bird impact at center. Say, Joakim Noah is like a poor man's Walton, right now, think about that... Dude would be the best center in the game right now, easily, top3 in the game at least, major threat for MVP while leading his team and making them great contenders... He just couldn't stay healthy long enough.

I made the same exact comparison of a much better Noah in a post in this thread... shame that not many know about Walton.

However, i think he would be the best player in the league because his defensive impact would be amazing, and his offensive impact would be as big as anybody's. But yes, at minimum Top 3.

[ralph_i_el]

Do wonder what Bill Walton would put up in this league. If Noah has a triple double once a month, Walton could average one. Arguably the most skilled, and best passing big man ever. Period.
or maybe he wouldn't be any better than Noah :confusedshrug:
If you stuck Noah in an inferior league I'd bet he'd look like bill walton

[Railgun]

or maybe he wouldn't be any better than Noah :confusedshrug:
If you stuck Noah in an inferior league I'd bet he'd look like bill walton
True. Noah would average 17/10/10 in that era tbh. It would be easy for him. 60's are just a joke.

[SHAQisGOAT]

What does that have to do with KD being a dominant scorer in the '60's and '70's?


You do know that Love is 6'10" in shoes, right? It's not like he plays without shoes. Also, a 6'7" rodman and 6'5" Barkley are among the greatest rebounders off all time. I don't even know why you're bringing up height. It's not like I ever said only short white guys played in the '60's and '70's (I NEVER did).



Again, what the **** does that have to do with anything that we're talking about?

KD would be a dominant scorer in ANY era. Deal with it.


Player such as Larry Bird would be like 6'11 with those shoes in this era then :eek: And he's more skilled, more athletic, much more impactful, has better intangibles.. than Love :eek: Raping the league.

Yes they are.. They were also way better athletes than Love though, but that can only do so much, like the point he was making, the point some of you go against.

Of course he would though, anybody said differently? :rolleyes: Most likely wouldn't be as good because of less superstar treatment and more physicality, but a beastly scorer in any era regardless.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Theyd be the top 5 centers in the game. Walton would be the 2nd best player only behind KD and Moses would be a top 5 player. Prime Artis would be top 10. Thurmond would be too inefficient to be top 10 overall and Mcadoo would be top 15

[aj1987]

Player such as Larry Bird would be like 6'11 with those shoes in this era then :eek: And he's more skilled, more athletic, much more impactful, has better intangibles.. than Love :eek: Raping the league.

Yes they are.. They were also way better athletes than Love though, but that can only do so much, like the point he was making, the point some of you go against.

Of course he would though, anybody said differently? :rolleyes: Most likely wouldn't be as good because of less superstar treatment and more physicality, but a beastly scorer in any era regardless.
You guys who bash on this era are pathetic. No wonder a lot of people aren't even rational, when discussing with people like you.


He would be facing different defenses, in a different era, and in a league in which there was no 3pt shot.

No, he wouldn't have come close to the player he is now...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9756596&postcount=33

KD is averaging 10 FT's on 20.6 FG's. West averaged 9.4 FT's on 20.4 FG's FOR HIS CAREER. So **** your "superstar treatment". KD would tear that era a new one.


From what I've seen/read, he was good... Could average like 1 steal and 2 blocks, was athletic, long and pretty smart, knew what he was doing. Like I've said though, he was "forced" to play more of a center role with Buffalo and he was better suited as a stretch 4, as he would plenty of times get murked by those bigger and/or taller centers.. I wouldn't hold that against him because he still held his own and was playing somewhat out of position, couldn't do more with what he "had", considering what the others "had". He was also major for the Lakers, with his versatile defense, could guard the wing, PF's, some centers too.

You just described ****ing Chris Bosh. :oldlol:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Hey I don't wanna break up this discussion but I was just wondering, how was McAdoo defensively? Was he a liability? Just curious.

From what I've seen/read, he was good... Could average like 1 steal and 2 blocks, was athletic, long and pretty smart, knew what he was doing. Like I've said though, he was "forced" to play more of a center role with Buffalo and he was better suited as a stretch 4, as he would plenty of times get murked by those bigger and/or taller centers.. I wouldn't hold that against him because he still held his own and was playing somewhat out of position, couldn't do more with what he "had", considering what the others "had". He was also major for the Lakers, with his versatile defense, could guard the wing, PF's, some centers too.

[SHAQisGOAT]

You guys who bash on this era are pathetic. No wonder a lot of people aren't even rational, when discussing with people like you.



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9756596&postcount=33

KD is averaging 10 FT's on 20.6 FG's. West averaged 9.4 FT's on 20.4 FG's FOR HIS CAREER. So **** your "superstar treatment". KD would tear that era a new one.

Bash on this era? :oldlol: When did I do that? You see much more of the other way around than people bashing on this era also, and you wanna talk about rational? :oldlol: Majority of those people do it for the **** of it, not even knowing what they're talking about, out of ignorance.

Like I've said before, you can check the players that go to the line more these days, and compare it to the players that went more during those days.. And the players from today go to the line at a higher rate, playing at a considerable slower pace. And you can't compare averages because you can't expect a role player to have the same treatment as a superstar. Jerry West was also playing over 40 mpg at his best, and playing at a higher pace, like 25% above, which is pretty considerable, especially when talking about things like these (and again, the "best" players at that still go to the line more right now, even with that in mind which is laughable), unlike since around the 80s which was less than 10% higher.

[SHAQisGOAT]

I made the same exact comparison of a much better Noah in a post in this thread... shame that not many know about Walton.

However, i think he would be the best player in the league because his defensive impact would be amazing, and his offensive impact would be as big as anybody's. But yes, at minimum Top 3.

True, Walton was amazing, shame for injuries.


or maybe he wouldn't be any better than Noah :confusedshrug:
If you stuck Noah in an inferior league I'd bet he'd look like bill walton

Right :rolleyes: Not to mention that centers in Walton's day were dudes like Kareem, Lanier, Unseld, Cowens, Gilmore, Moses... Imagine Walton playing against these weak-ass centers nowadays :lol Keep on making those great points.


True. Noah would average 17/10/10 in that era tbh. It would be easy for him. 60's are just a joke.

This ****ing kid is so dumb that he thinks Walton was in the NBA in the 60's :facepalm Go listen to some Justin Bieber, *********e to gay-anime or flop or way to a basketball court knowing you can't even play :oldlol:

[SHAQisGOAT]

You just described ****ing Chris Bosh. :oldlol:

So you think Bosh is a solid/good defensive player right? Oh yea, Bob McAdoo was a better scorer than peak Bosh by a good margin and much better on the boards... Think about it.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Theyd be the top 5 centers in the game. Walton would be the 2nd best player only behind KD and Moses would be a top 5 player. Prime Artis would be top 10. Thurmond would be too inefficient to be top 10 overall and Mcadoo would be top 15

Moses "only" top5? :facepalm
Peak McAdoo top15? :roll:
You don't even know what you're saying, only posted to bash on Lebron.

[aj1987]

Like I've said before, you can check the players that go to the line more these days, and compare it to the players that went more during those days.. And the players from today go to the line at a higher rate, playing at a considerable slower pace. And you can't compare averages because you can't expect a role player to have the same treatment as a superstar. Jerry West was also playing over 40 mpg at his best, and playing at a higher pace, like 25% above, which is pretty considerable, especially when talking about things like these (and again, the "best" players at that still go to the line more right now, even with that in mind which is laughable), unlike since around the 80s which was less than 10% higher.
That's why I brought up FG's attempted as well. They both are at almost the same number of FT's attempted in relation to their FG attempts. Also, West played 39.2 minutes over his career (using his career average for FT's, FG's, and MP because all 3 vary widely) and Durant is averaging 38.5 MPG. Even if you remove KD's FT's ENTIRELY, he'd still be averaging 24 PPG.

So, yeah. As I was saying earlier:

1. Artis Gilmore is not even close to being the 2nd strongest NBA player ever.
2. KD would be just as effective in ANY era.


So you think Bosh is a solid/good defensive player right? Oh yea, Bob McAdoo was a better scorer than peak Bosh by a good margin and much better on the boards... Think about it.
Yes, I do. Dude is a tremendous help defender. Extremely quick when switching as well. One of the main reasons why Miami's swarming/trapping defense works so well (at least it used to).

LOL! See, when you bring up the good thing about those era's, you forget about Pace. Also, Bosh's best is 24 on 16 FG's. Bob's? 35 on 26.

[LAZERUSS]

That's why I brought up FG's attempted as well. They both are at almost the same number of FT's attempted in relation to their FG attempts. Also, West played 39.2 minutes over his career (using his career average for FT's, FG's, and MP because all 3 vary widely) and Durant is averaging 38.5 MPG. Even if you remove KD's FT's ENTIRELY, he'd still be averaging 24 PPG.

So, yeah. As I was saying earlier:

1. Artis Gilmore is not even close to being the 2nd strongest NBA player ever.
2. KD would be just as effective in ANY era.

Ask Robert Parish who was stronger...Shaq or Gilmore? He played against BOTH, and claimed that GILMORE was the stronger of the two.

But perhaps you played against both of them too?

And yes, KD would be effective in any era...just not as dominant in some of them.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

:oldlol:

:facepalm

Now I know why you actually believe that Wilt wasn't a choker. You're just an idiot.
i know you are a dumb wade stan but if you actually believe Shaq was stronger than Wilt than you are 100% INSANE.
i repeat INSANE

[aj1987]

Ask Robert Parish who was stronger...Shaq or Gilmore? He played against BOTH, and claimed that GILMORE was the stronger of the two.


Yes. I did and Shaq is definitely stronger. No please go back to riding Wilt.


i know you are a dumb wade stan but if you actually believe Shaq was stronger than Wilt than you are 100% INSANE.
i repeat INSANE
You're the dude who actually believes that Lin is a good PG and is top 5 level. :facepalm

Go back to trolling Thunder fans, bitch.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

i want to say that everyone who thinks Shaq was better or stronger than Wilt is 100 certified retarded.
Wilt would throw Shaq around.
Grandpa Wilt nearly ripped Orlando Shaqs arm out:facepalm

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Yes. I did and Shaq is definitely stronger. No please go back to riding Wilt.


You're the dude who actually believes that Lin is a good PG and is top 5 level. :facepalm

Go back to trolling Thunder fans, bitch.
mad

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Apparently anyone who played in this era would see all their stats double. These Wilt stans are going senile.

[aj1987]

i want to say that everyone who thinks Shaq was better or stronger than Wilt is 100 certified retarded.
Wilt would throw Shaq around.
Grandpa Wilt nearly ripped Orlando Shaqs arm out:facepalm

http://i.imgur.com/jOvIFf4.jpg


BTW, Chalmers >>>>>>>>>> Lin.

[SHAQisGOAT]

LOL! See, when you bring up the good thing about those era's, you forget about Pace. Also, Bosh's best is 24 on 16 FG's. Bob's? 35 on 26.

Let's just assume that Bosh would be able to take over 20 shots per game, while keeping the same type of FG%, that he previously had or McAdoo's :rolleyes: These basketball geeks :facepalm You know what's actually funny? Is that Bosh almost went to the line as much as McAdoo, playing like 4 less minutes, at like 15 slower pace, with a more finesse game :oldlol: Keep on talking about pace and FT's though. McAdoo was also leading his teams to the playoffs and actually scoring like a beast there, and again he was a much better rebounder and even better passer.
McAdoo was MVP, and 2nd in voting twice, with Kareem, Walton, Hayes or Barry in the league, put Bosh in that league, in those days, and he ain't even sniffing that... I'll leave it at that, yet you wanna compare Bosh to McAdoo :roll: How ****ing ignorant can one get?

[LAZERUSS]

yw.
this thread might get to 2 pages but it's still unlikely (no one cares about 60's players). i'll post here again to help u out

It may never end...

[senelcoolidge]

These guys would be the best players in the league. Dominate. McAdoo was like a Durant but stronger and a superior rebounder. He'd probably lead the league in scoring. Dwight Howard and all current centers wouldn't be in the conversation if these guys were playing today.
I don't understand why people that supposedly love basketball don't know about the all time great players. When I was a kid I loved reading and watching film on the greats.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

http://i.imgur.com/jOvIFf4.jpg


BTW, Chalmers >>>>>>>>>> Lin.
http://cdn.niketalk.com/2/2f/350x700px-LL-2ff5111e_michael-jordan-laughing.gif

[Marlo_Stanfield]

MCAdoo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris Soft

[aj1987]

Let's just assume that Bosh would be able to take over 20 shots per game, while keeping the same type of FG%, that he previously had or McAdoo's :rolleyes: These basketball geeks :facepalm You know what's actually funny? Is that Bosh almost went to the line as much as McAdoo, playing like 4 less minutes, at like 15 slower pace, with a more finesse game :oldlol: Keep on talking about pace and FT's though. McAdoo was also leading his teams to the playoffs and actually scoring like a beast there, and again he was a much better rebounder and even better passer.
McAdoo was MVP, and 2nd in voting twice, with Kareem, Walton, Hayes or Barry in the league, put Bosh in that league, in those days, and he ain't even sniffing that... I'll leave it at that, yet you wanna compare Bosh to McAdoo :roll: How ****ing ignorant can one get?
When the hell did I say that Bosh is as good as McAdoo? All I said was that you basically described Bosh, when you were talking about McAdoo's defense and that you guys tend to ignore Pace, when it comes to scoring, but never forget to bring it up when it comes to FT's. Also, the FGA's and scoring highs were just to point out that Bosh was a pretty good scorer as well.

That being said, no one can really know how Bosh would perform if he's give the green light to chuck the ball like crazy.

Anyways, I don't give a shit about McAdoo and as I said several time before:

1. Artis Gilmore is not even close to being the 2nd strongest NBA player ever.
2. KD would be just as effective in ANY era.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Are you sure? I thought that Wilt was the 2nd strongest after Shaq.
Mikan's right up there with Shaq in terms of strength. I'd say they are 1A/1B.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Mikan's right up there with Shaq in terms of strength. I'd say they are 1A/1B.
http://cdn.niketalk.com/2/2f/350x700px-LL-2ff5111e_michael-jordan-laughing.gif

[LAZERUSS]

Mikan's right up there with Shaq in terms of strength. I'd say they are 1A/1B.

You just won't ever learn will you...

[Helix]

Mikan's right up there with Shaq in terms of strength. I'd say they are 1A/1B.


Well, that statement certainly confirms your knowledge.

[Dr.J4ever]

I was watching Zach Randolph the other night, and he reminded me a lot of Moses. Very similar moves, but really, Moses was FAR more dominant, and Moses would be without question the game's top center if he played today. To be honest, it's not even close.

On KD, yes KD would be great in any era. Never saw Mcadoo's peak, but he was a great scorer even with early 80s Lakers coming off the bench. Bill Walton and Moses would battle it out today for top center no doubt.

[Deuce Bigalow]

You just won't ever learn will you...
Mikan's a greater player than Wilt. 5 titles with guys that no one can even remember and another 2 titles in another league.

[Helix]

Mikan's a greater player than Wilt. 5 titles with guys that no one can even remember and another 2 titles in another league.


Hey, how about that...........another statement that confirms your knowledge. More please.

[abuC]

Actual proof...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW2-x-0lAQo

BTW, does anyone in their right mind honestly believe Shaq ever benched over 400 lbs? The man couldn't budge that weight...

I've benched over 400lbs, and I'm in no way shape or form stronger than Shaq was during his prime.

You can't judge a persons total strength by bench :rolleyes:

[LAZERUSS]

Mikan's a greater player than Wilt. 5 titles with guys that no one can even remember and another 2 titles in another league.

Again, if Mikan were truly greater than Wilt, then by extension, he was also greater than Kareem, Hakeem, and Shaq...

[fpliii]

Gilmore would be interesting. Not a natural scorer (I don't know that he had much of a low post game), but he'd probably be the strongest in this (or any) era.

I'm thinking a much better DeAndre Jordan from this year.

Reed would be great too, though I don't think he was mentioned in this thread.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Hey, how about that...........another statement that confirms your knowledge. More please.
Mikan:
5

[LAZERUSS]

Gilmore would be interesting. Not a natural scorer (I don't know that he had much of a low post game), but he'd probably be the strongest in this (or any) era.

I'm thinking a much better DeAndre Jordan from this year.

Reed would be great too, though I don't think he was mentioned in this thread.

Reed, Cowens, and Lanier...all were about on the same level...

[Dr.J4ever]

Gilmore would be interesting. Not a natural scorer (I don't know that he had much of a low post game), but he'd probably be the strongest in this (or any) era.

I'm thinking a much better DeAndre Jordan from this year.

Reed would be great too, though I don't think he was mentioned in this thread.
I agree. From my recollection of Gilmore, he didn't have a great post up game. Not many moves at all. He used his length and strength to score a lot of dunks which increased his FG%.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Again, if Mikan were truly greater than Wilt, then by extension, he was also greater than Kareem, Hakeem, and Shaq...
Over Hakeem too maybe but the difference is that those players were dominant playoff performers like Mikan.

[LAZERUSS]

I agree. From my recollection of Gilmore, he didn't have a great post up game. Not many moves at all. He used his length and strength to score a lot of dunks which increased his FG%.

He actually had a very good hook shot...

[fpliii]

Reed, Cowens, and Lanier...all were about on the same level...
True. There were a hell of a lot of great bigs in the 70s. All of them played very differently from each other, too.

Probably the 70s and 90s were the two best decades for centers.

[Dr.J4ever]

He actually had a very good hook shot...
Come to think of it, yes, I remember now. Still, he seemed the more limited, offensively, than the other centers. During the 80s, I might have taken Parish's offense over Gilmore.

[Helix]

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Mikan:
5

[Deuce Bigalow]

Another one.....thank you. Keep 'em coming.

And by the way, just how many championships do you suppose Mikan would have had if he had faced the Boston dynasty year in and year out?
Doesn't matter. In his era he won 5 in the NBA, 2 in the NBL in his era during his own time.

[LAZERUSS]

Doesn't matter. In his era he won 5 in the NBA, 2 in the NBL in his era during his own time.

He asked you a legitimate question...

BTW, how did the Mikan-Kurland college battle go?

One can only wonder how many championships that Kurland would have taken from Mikan, had he decided to turn pro...

[SHAQisGOAT]

When the hell did I say that Bosh is as good as McAdoo? All I said was that you basically described Bosh, when you were talking about McAdoo's defense and that you guys tend to ignore Pace, when it comes to scoring, but never forget to bring it up when it comes to FT's. Also, the FGA's and scoring highs were just to point out that Bosh was a pretty good scorer as well.

That being said, no one can really know how Bosh would perform if he's give the green light to chuck the ball like crazy.

Anyways, I don't give a shit about McAdoo and as I said several time before:

1. Artis Gilmore is not even close to being the 2nd strongest NBA player ever.
2. KD would be just as effective in ANY era.

Yea, Bosh is a good defender and pretty underrated on that note, even forced to play out of his "role". He's also a pretty good scorer and did really well as the main man.. Did I ever deny that? It's straight up asinine to compare him to Bob McAdoo, though.

I mentioned pace when saying that players with most FT's now go to the line more than players with most FT's back in the day (especially around the 70s), even playing less minutes and with a 20% difference in pace, think about that.. Think it's a good way of using it, to paint a picture, let's say.
As far as FGA's per game you can't do "adjustments" like some ignorant people do lol. Stars get their shots regardless, if anything role players take less shots.. We've seen AI take 28 shots per game, we've seen Kobe taking 27, we've seen Lebron taking 23, or a bigman like Shaq taking 21 shots and that dude demanded double-teams constantly.. Of course, Wilt or anyone else wouldn't be taking like 30 shots per game right now, pace is considerably slower, he'd probably wouldn't be playing as many minutes, and so on, but he could easily get enough FGA's and FTA's to get over 30 PPG, also given his ability to make teams pay with his passing.. You're gonna seriously think otherwise? Or Oscar not being able to take 22 shots per game? So on.. I've seen people adjust Bird's PPG (or overall numbers) to a slower pace, like he wouldn't be able to take 20 shots right now, or something :oldlol: Especially since in the 80s pace was not considerably higher, around 10%, and he basically averaged the same as today's pace, search youtube... But yet some basketball geeks will always try to pull shit like that. Furthermore, as pace decreased through the 70s into the 80s, FG% increased, why's that? Average DRtg is also pretty similar right now and in the 80s, with 70s being lower, better defense? Better offense? As you can see, all that gets pretty subjective and can't come here using mathematically "certainties". Oh, and again, on average/overall, it's easier for superstars to go to the line more nowadays, with much less physicality and way more superstar treatment.

Parish said Gilmore was the strongest player he ever faced, and look at the guys he faced throughout his career... There are other many quotes about his unreal strength I can't tell for sure but one would assume he's one of the strongest ever in the league, more than "good enough" for top3... But I guess your (ignorant, with no disrespect) opinion holds more water than all of that :rolleyes: :lol Please, not even close.

[Helix]

He asked you a legitimate question...


Yes, I DID ask him a legitimate question.........and he didn't answer it. And I doubt he will. Anyone with half a brain KNOWS the answer to that question.

Put a prime Mikan against ANY version of Chamberlain and does anyone believe Mikan would have any chance at all? I sure hope not. On the other hand, put Chamberlain against any other center in the history of the NBA, and with the exception of only two or three of them, he would abuse them.

[SHAQisGOAT]

I agree. From my recollection of Gilmore, he didn't have a great post up game. Not many moves at all. He used his length and strength to score a lot of dunks which increased his FG%.

From what I've seen/read, he had a solid post-game, with a nice hook-shot, and as you've said very strong, tall and athletic. Also could hit FT's in the 70s percentile, and could make some open jumpers. Cant' really compare him to DeAndre Jordan offensively, he was miles ahead, actually a good scorer unlike DJ. Again, like I've said, many claimed he was too lazy or too passive about his shots too, and liked to keep that FG% high.
I'd give Parish's offense the edge over Gilmore's too though, yea, but Artis would do amazingly well also getting Bird's passes (not old Artis though, like it actually happened)

[Deuce Bigalow]

Yes, I DID ask him a legitimate question.........and he didn't answer it. And I doubt he will. Anyone with half a brain KNOWS the answer to that question.

Put a prime Mikan against ANY version of Chamberlain and does anyone believe Mikan would have any chance at all? I sure hope not. On the other hand, put Chamberlain against any other center in the history of the NBA, and with the exception of only two or three of them, he would abuse them.
To answer your question, Mikan would annihilate any version of Chamberlain.

[Helix]

To answer your question, Mikan would annihilate any version of Chamberlain.


Ok, I get it.

[LAZERUSS]

To answer your question, Mikan would annihilate any version of Chamberlain.

Bob Kurland... GOAT. Who would ever have thought...?

[iznogood]

Actual proof...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW2-x-0lAQo

BTW, does anyone in their right mind honestly believe Shaq ever benched over 400 lbs? The man couldn't budge that weight...
How does that video prove anything? None of those weights were real. I don't think Shaq pressed 400 and I also don't believe Wilt pressed 500, but I'd be more willing to believe that Shaq actually pressed 400 then Wilt pressing 500.

[aj1987]

Yea, Bosh is a good defender and pretty underrated on that note, even forced to play out of his "role". He's also a pretty good scorer and did really well as the main man.. Did I ever deny that? It's straight up asinine to compare him to Bob McAdoo, though.
How so? Bob's best statistical season was played at a 107.7 pace and he averaged 35/14 on 26 shots a game, while playing 43 minutes. Bosh's came at a 93 page and he averaged 24/11 on 16 shots a game in only 36 minutes. If Bosh hadn't become such a bitch these past 2 years, he would still be a 20+/10+ player. Also, Bosh is a much better defender than McAdoo.



I mentioned pace when saying that players with most FT's now go to the line more than players with most FT's back in the day (especially around the 70s), even playing less minutes and with a 20% difference in pace, think about that.. Think it's a good way of using it, to paint a picture, let's say.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

Not much difference in FT's then and now (once you "adjust" for pace).



As far as FGA's per game you can't do "adjustments" like some ignorant people do lol. Stars get their shots regardless, if anything role players take less shots.. We've seen AI take 28 shots per game, we've seen Kobe taking 27, we've seen Lebron taking 23, or a bigman like Shaq taking 21 shots
I've said this SEVERAL times before. You don't penalize '60's and '70's players for taking more shots. Go ahead. Look up my posts regarding this. I've however said that some players would be putting up similar numbers, if they were allowed to shoot the ball that many times.



Parish said Gilmore was the strongest player he ever faced, and look at the guys he faced throughout his career... There are other many quotes about his unreal strength I can't tell for sure but one would assume he's one of the strongest ever in the league, more than "good enough" for top3... But I guess your (ignorant, with no disrespect) opinion holds more water than all of that :rolleyes: :lol Please, not even close.
Didn't Parish say that in '92? Shaq was a rookie then. He wouldn't have said that after playing a prime Shaq.

[SHAQisGOAT]

How so? Bob's best statistical season was played at a 107.7 pace and he averaged 35/14 on 26 shots a game, while playing 43 minutes. Bosh's came at a 93 page and he averaged 24/11 on 16 shots a game in only 36 minutes. If Bosh hadn't become such a bitch these past 2 years, he would still be a 20+/10+ player. Also, Bosh is a much better defender than McAdoo.

Keep mentioning pace or even minutes played like that :facepalm In his best 3 seasons Bob was taking like 24 shots per game with 9 FTA's, something that Kobe "did", AI too, or Stackhouse... Think he wouldn't be able to "get" (I won't even say 24 shots) like 20 FGA's per game? LMA can, Dirk too, Love.. Oh and there are plenty of dudes right now who play a more finesse game than Mac, who don't bang down-low as much, or go inside as much and "still" go to the line like 9 times per game, playing less minutes at a slower pace :oldlol: Think Bob wouldn't be able to lead the league in scoring, at his best? 15% difference in pace would change that right? :rolleyes: Also, he was doing his thing without a 3pt line (or coming up with one) because he actually had that type of range and was at least making 1 PPG off of that, during his best years.
Shit, you most likely never even seen more than a min of footage from Mac, just go watch that man play, he was hitting contested jumpers left and right in the face of Kareem, Unseld, Hayes or Lanier, he was handling the ball and exploding to the rack for the dunk, he was showing lots of range, he was running the break, he was blocking shots, rebounding, could even pass... **** you gonna underrated that???
And again, funny that Chris almost went to the line as much while looking for the shot much less, with more of a finesse game, playing like 5 less minutes at a slower pace.
Think Bosh could've kept his efficiency while taking over 20 shots per game? You must be crazy son, call him a top3 scorer in the game, at his best, while you're at it. Bob McAdoo once led the league in scoring and FG%, go look at the players in the league also, and much more physicality, above league average by 8.8% too... Think about that, do you even know what you're talking about here???? You're comparing him to Chris ****ing Bosh :facepalm This dude, at his best, would be no worse than a top3 player right now. Bosh is a much better defender than Mac? :biggums: You're reaching clinically insane levels, stop it please.



http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats.html

Not much difference in FT's then and now (once you "adjust" for pace).

Once again bringing up league averages? :facepalm Can't you even read? You're going to expect a dude like Nick Young to have the same "treatment" as Kevin Durant, for example? Look at the top FT "getters" in 1977 and the ones from nowadays, for example, again. Keep adjusting for pace though lol.



I've said this SEVERAL times before. You don't penalize '60's and '70's players for taking more shots. Go ahead. Look up my posts regarding this. I've however said that some players would be putting up similar numbers, if they were allowed to shoot the ball that many times.

Nice to see that you've answered most of my questions or even cared to rebuttal most of my arguments :rolleyes: You know I'm right.



Didn't Parish say that in '92? Shaq was a rookie then. He wouldn't have said that after playing a prime Shaq.

Don't know when he actually said it but the Chief played til 1997.
Oh he wouldn't? Why? You've actually played against Gilmore or Shaq? You're basing that on? :rolleyes: Glad you know it all, I'm just gonna trust ya on this one :facepalm God damn ignorant and still thinking he knows it all :wtf:

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[aj1987]

I'm just mad that the '60's and '70's suck monkey balls compared to today.
I actually typed out an entire response and edited it once I came to this part:


Don't know when he actually said it but the Chief played til 1997.
Oh he wouldn't? Why? You've actually played against Gilmore or Shaq? You're basing that on? Glad you know it all, I'm just gonna trust ya on this one God damn ignorant and still thinking he knows it all


Boston Globe - Dec 9, 1992

"He's the strongest guy I've played against since Artis Gilmore. "He's a very solid 300 pounds. He's all man."



Christian Science Monitor - Jan 25, 1993

After the Celtics lost to the Magic, 113-94, Robert Parish said that in his 17- year career, only longtime Chicago Bulls star Artis Gilmore was physically stronger than O'Neal, but that Shaq was more athletic - "and that is a very scary thought," he said in mock seriousness.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6048080&postcount=16

It was Shaq's rookie ****ing year. That skinny ass dude was not even close to being as strong as prime Shaq.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I don't know about those players, but put prime Mikan in today's league and it's over. He would start a Bill Russellesuqe dynasty with whatever team he lands on. He would be so dominant that it would be silly to even watch the games.

[Deuce Bigalow]

How does that video prove anything? None of those weights were real. I don't think Shaq pressed 400 and I also don't believe Wilt pressed 500, but I'd be more willing to believe that Shaq actually pressed 400 then Wilt pressing 500.
I don't know if some of you guys know this or not, but Mikan was rumored to be able to bench press 400 pounds...with one arm.

[The-Legend-24]

They would be selling drinks or snacks in the stands. :oldlol:

[iznogood]

I don't know if some of you guys know this or not, but Mikan was rumored to be able to bench press 400 pounds...with one arm.
Was he allowed to use bench press shirt?