Kevin Durant's amazing scoring streak isn't in same galaxy as Wilt Chamberlain's:

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-durant-scoring-streak-wilts-comparison-article-1.1746833

Good to see some sports writers exist that are aware of Durant's non-record :applause:

[navy]

Weak era

[fpliii]

That aside, it's strange to compare bigs to wings. The perimeter/post dichotomy is a big deal here, the two scoring types are so different.

I think Oscar is at 46? So that should be the mark for KD to shoot for. He's not a back to the basket low post guy.

[LAZERUSS]

Weak era

Which one? Wilt's or KD's?

[CavaliersFTW]

Which one? Wilt's or KD's?
:lol :applause:

[ThePhantomCreep]

Considering Durant plays in a league where players dribble with both hands, I'll rate his feat as more impressive.

[navy]

Which one? Wilt's or KD's?
Both

[Andrei89]

Weak Era.

White guys who were 10 inches shorter.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Wilt GOATerlin
Clankvin DuClank

[SexSymbol]

spoiler alert : nobody gives a shit

[DStebb716]

Both

This.

Wilt's era was weak in the sense that the stars were few and far between. Height and skill differences were large.

Durant's era is weak in the sense that it's very watered down. Talent level is very high, but defense isn't so much.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Considering Durant plays in a league where players dribble with both hands, I'll rate his feat as more impressive.

*travel/carry

[CavaliersFTW]

*travel/carry
:lol :applause:

[LoneyROY7]

Enough with the Wilt sh*t. :facepalm

It's 2014. The game nor the league is even remotely comparable. Enough, OP. Enough.

[CavaliersFTW]

Enough with the Wilt sh*t. :facepalm

It's 2014. The game nor the league is even remotely comparable. Enough, OP. Enough.
Your jimmies, they seem rustled. Basketball fans want to act like certain players today are among the greatest of all time, but get butthurt if there isn't some arbitrary cutoff to exclude certain players records from all time? Sure that makes sense... :oldlol:

[LoneyROY7]

Your jimmies, they seem rustled. Basketball fans want to act like certain players today are among the greatest of all time, but get butthurt if there isn't some arbitrary cutoff to exclude certain players records from all time? Sure that makes sense... :oldlol:

My jimmies are in perfect harmony. Yours, on the other hand, seem to be all tangled up at the notion that athletes of today have surpassed those of over 50 years ago.

Gee, who would have thought.

[CavaliersFTW]

My jimmies are in perfect harmony. Yours, on the other hand, seem to be all tangled up at the notion that athletes of today have surpassed those of over 50 years ago.

Gee, who would have thought.
What athlete today passed Wilt?

[LoneyROY7]

What athlete today passed Wilt?

In terms of pure athleticism or basketball ability? If you include the latter, then we have quite a list.

[CavaliersFTW]

In terms of pure athleticism or basketball ability? If you include the latter, then we have quite a list.
lol lol lololololol

sure you do

[The-Legend-24]

Wilt, who?

These grandpa's are mad as fvck nobody gives a shit about his records. Catching feels left and right. :oldlol:

[Flash31]

It's going to be the same thing to Magic,Bird,Shaq,LeBron,Durant,Kobe,Duncan
40 years from now.

ESPN is going to use since the beginning of PER,since TS%,Since social media,since the integration of whatever new rule or thing is put into place.

And then the trolls,casuals,easily manipulated fans will go

"weak era",dunking on "STARS" Hibbert,Lopez,Noah,Magliore,Harden,Paul George.

Then you're going to have the Lebron,Durant,Kobe stans defend them in esaay long posts,defending their dck sizes and going 30,000+ pts what?!,81 pt game,
15+ Year 50 win seasons,2007 CAVS,AVG 39,8,8,
25 pt 60% fg,TS%.and on and on.

The people then will post James Harden,LeBron,Durant gifs of their "d" and flopping,Kobe's fg%,and ESPN or whoever will cut off their stats and use arbitrary dates and everybody won't even notice like
Durant and "Jordans" streak.

[CavaliersFTW]

It's going to be the same thing to Magic,Bird,Shaq,LeBron,Durant,Kobe,Duncan
40 years from now.

ESPN is going to use since the beginning of PER,since TS%,Since social media,since the integration of whatever new rule or thing is put into place.

And then the trolls,casuals,easily manipulated fans will go

"weak era",dunking on "STARS" Hibbert,Lopez,Noah,Magliore,Harden,Paul George.

Then you're going to have the Lebron,Durant,Kobe stans defend them in esaay long posts,defending their dck sizes and going 30,000+ pts what?!,81 pt game,
15+ Year 50 win seasons,2007 CAVS,AVG 39,8,8,
25 pt 60% fg,TS%.and on and on.

The people then will post James Harden,LeBron,Durant gifs of their "d" and flopping,Kobe's fg%,and ESPN or whoever will cut off their stats and use arbitrary dates and everybody won't even notice like
Durant and "Jordans" streak.
Pretty much spot on, at least based on how the media currently treats the history of the game. The important thing to understand is that it doesn't have to be that way either. If there is an effort to promote and understand the history of the game, there isn't going to be the same degree of mass ignorance and shifting of goal posts that we see today.

[Bodhi]

Eh, the NBA strikes a pretty good balance between celebrating past and present players

You don't want to be like baseball where people talk more about past records and statistics than the current game

[fpliii]

Eh, the NBA strikes a pretty good balance between celebrating past and present players

You don't want to be like baseball where people talk more about past records and statistics than the current game
Not really, unless you played from 1984-98.

[CavaliersFTW]

Eh, the NBA strikes a pretty good balance between celebrating past and present players

You don't want to be like baseball where people talk more about past records and statistics than the current game
They don't really. Most of the guys who even touch on the past don't know of anything that happened prior to the mid 1980's.

[Haks]

lol wilt sucks poor mans Javale Mcgee in an era with 130 possessions

[Pointguard]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/lawrence-durant-scoring-streak-wilts-comparison-article-1.1746833

Good to see some sports writers exist that are aware of Durant's non-record :applause:
Could you imagine how hard Durant would be getting hit after he got to 20. They would be clobbering him left and right.

[KG215]

That aside, it's strange to compare bigs to wings. The perimeter/post dichotomy is a big deal here, the two scoring types are so different.

I think Oscar is at 46? So that should be the mark for KD to shoot for. He's not a back to the basket low post guy.
This. I think, along with defensive impact and ability, you almost absolutely have to separate bigs and perimeter oriented players. I know there's some players who toe the line between being a perimeter scorer and back to the basket scorer, but essentially the two can and should be separated. The dynamics and the ways the two groups score is very different. I've always made a point, in regard to Durant, of saying Durant is having one of the best scoring seasons for a perimeter player ever. Maybe the best for a player not named Michael Jordan. But I feel that if you start trying to compare him to Kareem, Wilt, and Shaq you're trying to compare him to players who scored in completely different ways.

[LAZERUSS]

lol wilt sucks poor mans Javale Mcgee in an era with 130 possessions

And if Wilt "sucks"...then what does that tell us about West, Oscar, Reed, McAdoo, Lanier, Cowens, Russell, Thurmond, Archibald, Pistol Pete, Havlicek, Barry, Frazier, and Kareem...all of whom played IN the "Wilt-era."

[dunksby]

I believe KD has not set any record unless he breaks Oscar's 47 (I think) games in a row. If he pulls that off I don't think any of the old school fanatics here have a case in diminishing it. Wilt's record is out of the question (for now at least).

[fpliii]

This. I think, along with defensive impact and ability, you almost absolutely have to separate bigs and perimeter oriented players. I know there's some players who toe the line between being a perimeter scorer and back to the basket scorer, but essentially the two can and should be separated. The dynamics and the ways the two groups score is very different. I've always made a point, in regard to Durant, of saying Durant is having one of the best scoring seasons for a perimeter player ever. Maybe the best for a player not named Michael Jordan. But I feel that if you start trying to compare him to Kareem, Wilt, and Shaq you're trying to compare him to players who scored in completely different ways.
:cheers:

[sd3035]

Wilt's ceiling would be a poor man's Javale Mcgee in today's NBA.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt's ceiling would be a poor man's Javale Mcgee in today's NBA.

Very well researched and backed up opinion...

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Haks]

And if Wilt "sucks"...then what does that tell us about West, Oscar, Reed, McAdoo, Lanier, Cowens, Russell, Thurmond, Archibald, Pistol Pete, Havlicek, Barry, Frazier, and Kareem...all of whom played IN the "Wilt-era."
wilt sucks stop

[Joyner82reload]

Protip OP: Noone gives a flyign fvck what Chamberlain, or anyone else for that matter, accomplished in the 60's. It was a different era and noone cared about the NBA. Aside from the aficionados and those with nostalgia, the 60's aren't even considered a real part of the league's history. It's basically the AFL before it merged with the NFL. There's a reason that his stats are never used on ESPN, ABC, TNT, NBA TV, etc. Noone cares.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Protip OP: Noone gives a flyign fvck what Chamberlain, or anyone else for that matter, accomplished in the 60's. It was a different era and noone cared about the NBA. Aside from the aficionados and those with nostalgia, the 60's aren't even considered a real part of the league's history. It's basically the AFL before it merged with the NFL. There's a reason that his stats are never used on ESPN, ABC, TNT, NBA TV, etc. Noone cares.
Wilt GOATerlin>>>Clankvin DuClank

[fpliii]

Protip OP: Noone gives a flyign fvck what Chamberlain, or anyone else for that matter, accomplished in the 60's. It was a different era and noone cared about the NBA. Aside from the aficionados and those with nostalgia, the 60's aren't even considered a real part of the league's history. It's basically the AFL before it merged with the NFL. There's a reason that his stats are never used on ESPN, ABC, TNT, NBA TV, etc. Noone cares.
With people taking pride in ignorance, no wonder our country is doing so well as of late. Great post. :applause:

[LAZERUSS]

With people taking pride in ignorance, no wonder our country is doing so well as of late. Great post. :applause:


:applause: :applause: :applause:

[CavaliersFTW]

Protip OP: Noone gives a flyign fvck what Chamberlain, or anyone else for that matter, accomplished in the 60's. It was a different era and noone cared about the NBA. Aside from the aficionados and those with nostalgia, the 60's aren't even considered a real part of the league's history. It's basically the AFL before it merged with the NFL. There's a reason that his stats are never used on ESPN, ABC, TNT, NBA TV, etc. Noone cares.
Nobody gives a shit about this era 40 years from now either - Nobody but historians will be even aware of NBA basketball 400 years from now, literally nobody will be aware of the sport of basketball 40 thousand years from now, and no humans nor other intelligent beings will likely even exist 40 million years from now, 40 billion years from now this universe we are aware of will have ceased to exist entirely. None of this matters you simple minded ape, but that isn't going to stop me from spreading what I know right here, right now.

[Joyner82reload]

Nobody gives a shit about this era 40 years from now either - Nobody but historians will be even aware of NBA basketball 400 years from now, literally nobody will be aware of the sport of basketball 40 thousand years from now, and no humans nor other intelligent beings will likely even exist 40 million years from now, 40 billion years from now this universe we are aware of will have ceased to exist entirely. None of this matters you simple minded ape, but that isn't going to stop me from spreading what I know right here, right now.

Wrong. Nobody cares about the 60's because there was no emphasis on the sport growing up. Also there are very little to no video records, so it's irrelevant.

[fpliii]

Wrong. Nobody cares about the 60's because there was no emphasis on the sport growing up. Also there are very little to no video records, so it's irrelevant.
Your epidermis is showing, just a heads up. Big difference between the 50s (and earlier) and 60s (and later).

[secund2nun]

Durant plays against bball players while Wilt played against white dads.

[ImKobe]

Weak era
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[PsychoBe]

the real reason that wilt's records (as well as most other in his day) are flat-out ignored because the way they played then was nothing like the modern nba in any way or fashion. you just can't compare them.

wilt had every advantage (rules wise) at his disposal (until they started making rules against him but the damage had been done by then too), and there were rules such as no 3 seconds (wilt could stay in the paint as long as he wanted), no 5 second rule (wilt could back down his defender as long as he wanted), etc.

it is what it is. the league is just too different today and the "modern" league was creative in the early-mid 80's with the creation of the 3-point line and the ascension of michael jordan.

[CavaliersFTW]

the real reason that wilt's records (as well as most other in his day) are flat-out ignored because the way they played then was nothing like the modern nba in any way or fashion. you just can't compare them.

wilt had every advantage (rules wise) at his disposal (until they started making rules against him but the damage had been done by then too), and there were rules such as no 3 seconds (wilt could stay in the paint as long as he wanted), no 5 second rule (wilt could back down his defender as long as he wanted), etc.

it is what it is. the league is just too different today and the "modern" league was creative in the early-mid 80's with the creation of the 3-point line and the ascension of michael jordan.
Show a person who's never seen the sport a game from the 1960's and a game from today and they're going to say that it's the exact same game being played. Any differences are minor, not extreme.

[PsychoBe]

Show a person who's never seen the sport a game from the 1960's and a game from today and they're going to say that it's the exact same game being played. Any differences are minor, not extreme.

we both know that's not true. when i was in high school i (jokingly) brought up jerry west and wilt to other people, and they would laugh at me and insult players in the era saying "they dribbled with two hands !!!" or "wilt went against 5'11 white boys !!!', the 60's get no respect because it was primitive. think about barry bonds and baseball, most of his records are untouched because they changed the presentation of the field which makes it physically impossible to do what he did.

same with basketball, the "field" has changed so much and is now "modernized", so it's just impossible to do what he did, meaning it would even be impossible for himself to repeat it. so we can all respect what he did but that doesn't mean we have to acknowledge it considering the circumstances.

espn and other major sports analysts understand that, and it's something we have to deal with and acknowledge.

[ImKobe]

Show a person who's never seen the sport a game from the 1960's and a game from today and they're going to say that it's the exact same game being played. Any differences are minor, not extreme.

Now you're flat out trolling.:facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

we both know that's not true. when i was in high school i (jokingly) brought up jerry west and wilt to other people, and they would laugh at me and insult players in the era saying "they dribbled with two hands !!!" or "wilt went against 5'11 white boys !!!', the 60's get no respect because it was primitive. think about barry bonds and baseball, most of his records are untouched because they changed the presentation of the field which makes it physically impossible to do what he did.

same with basketball, the "field" has changed so much and is now "modernized", so it's just impossible to do what he did, meaning it would even be impossible for himself to repeat it. so we can all respect what he did but that doesn't mean we have to acknowledge it considering the circumstances.

espn and other major sports analysts understand that, and it's something we have to deal with and acknowledge.
stigmas = / = first hand observations

[Psileas]

we both know that's not true. when i was in high school i (jokingly) brought up jerry west and wilt to other people, and they would laugh at me and insult players in the era saying "they dribbled with two hands !!!" or "wilt went against 5'11 white boys !!!', the 60's get no respect because it was primitive. think about barry bonds and baseball, most of his records are untouched because they changed the presentation of the field which makes it physically impossible to do what he did.

same with basketball, the "field" has changed so much and is now "modernized", so it's just impossible to do what he did, meaning it would even be impossible for himself to repeat it. so we can all respect what he did but that doesn't mean we have to acknowledge it considering the circumstances.

espn and other major sports analysts understand that, and it's something we have to deal with and acknowledge.


No, the 60's get no respect because..."high school", that's why. High schoolers couldn't care less about old eras, they only care about stuff that can evoke feelings in the present and old eras belong to the field of "knowledge", not the field of "it happens now" and therefore do not appeal to them. And when you (not personally, in general) don't care about something, you always look to find some cheap excuse to discredit it - because you are usually too much of a chicken to admit that you just don't care to learn.
I mean, come on, how hard is it to know that players never were "5'11" or never "dribbled with 2 hands"? Well, it's actually pretty hard, because having such a knowledge gives you some excuses less to avoid learning.

I know of high school kids that claim similar bs about later eras. A few of them post here. They'll become even more in the future.

[Marchesk]

How long before Jordan played in weak era with different rules and defenses, so we should ignore any records he set?

5 years, 10 years? Some posters on here already make that argument.

[PsychoBe]

No, the 60's get no respect because..."high school", that's why. High schoolers couldn't care less about old eras, they only care about stuff that can evoke feelings in the present and old eras belong to the field of "knowledge", not the field of "it happens now" and therefore do not appeal to them. And when you (not personally, in general) don't care about something, you always look to find some cheap excuse to discredit it - because you are usually too much of a chicken to admit that you just don't care to learn.
I mean, come on, how hard is it to know that players never were "5'11" or never "dribbled with 2 hands"? Well, it's actually pretty hard, because having such a knowledge gives you some excuses less to avoid learning.

I know of high school kids that claim similar bs about later eras. A few of them post here. They'll become even more in the future.

the problem is you can't do anything to stop it due to the lack of footage or evidence (or the lack of real-time footage thanks to modern technology which shows things moving at normal speed and not slow speeds). but kids in the future will understand how/why players now and even back in jordan's time were so great thanks to the "real-time" footage. unless the game drastically changes again (which is very possible) to be "modernized" decades down the road, then we wont be able to compare our current era to theirs as there would be too many variables and factors to consider.

like i said, it is what it is.

i understand why op made the thread but in the end he's just falling on deaf ears.

[Psileas]

the problem is you can't do anything to stop it due to the lack of footage or evidence (or the lack of real-time footage thanks to modern technology which shows things moving at normal speed and not slow speeds). but kids in the future will understand how/why players now and even back in jordan's time were so great thanks to the "real-time" footage. unless the game drastically changes again (which is very possible) to be "modernized" decades down the road, then we wont be able to compare our current era to theirs as there would be too many variables and factors to consider.

like i said, it is what it is.

i understand why op made the thread but in the end he's just falling on deaf ears.

I kind of agree about the role of technology, media, abundance of footage, etc. Which goes to tell you what the most primitive feature of the era was - and rightfully so, since the TV, the PC, the internet are all more recent than the game of basketball.
The sport changes all the time. I've watched games from all decades of the league and I can spot similarities and differences among them all. To give some examples, the 60's are similar to the 50's, but with more speed. The 70's are similar to the 60's, but with more mid and long range shots, the 80's are like the 70's, but with more emphasis on athleticism, the 90's are like the 80's, but with more long range shots, the 00's are like the 90's, but with zone defenses, the 2010's are like the 2000, but with more perimeter passing, etc.
Trying to discredit only shows a weakness to adapt and understand. It's like a fool trying to discredit a Charlie Chaplin film because he's only used to watching movies with special visual effects and can't get to see in black and white and without natural sound. Only shows limited capability to adapting to something different.

[sd3035]

25 would be like a career high for Wilt in today's game, he couldn't go on a 5 game streak.