Jay-Z and Carmelo Anthony wear bling from the Five Percent Nation who believe that...

[JohnMax]

Jay-Z and Carmelo Anthony wear bling from the Five Percent Nation who believe that 'White men are the devil'
http://nypost.com/2014/04/06/jay-zs-medallion-bears-logo-of-five-percent-radical-group/

Black people are the fathers and mothers of civilization, white men are the devil, the Christian god is nothing more than a ghost and only a small percentage of people understand the world.

These are just some of the beliefs behind the bling the gaudy Five Percent Nation medallions worn by Jay Z and Carmelo Anthony.

Last week, all eyes at the Barclays Center werent on Jay Zs better half, Beyonc but on the coaster-size golden pendant swinging from the rappers neck as the couple sat courtside. Asked once if the groups symbol an eight-point star with the number 7 in the middle held any meaning to him, the rapper shrugged, A little bit.

So what exactly do Five Percenters believe?

The rationale is that the black man is God and created the universe, and is physically stronger and intellectually stronger and more righteous naturally, says Michael Muhammad Knight, an author of two books on the radical group. Whiteness is weak and wicked and inferior basically just an errant child who needs to be corrected.

The group was founded in 1964 in Harlem by Clarence Smith, who later changed his name to Allah, a former student of Malcolm X who disagreed with the Nation of Islam over the nature of God.

Smith rejected the notion of a supernatural deity and instead believed that all black men had God in them and that black women were earths who took on a complementary yet subordinate role to their gods.

The idea is empowering, Knight says.

Anytime someone is saying you have to accept your conditions of oppression and slavery and pray to an unseen god that kind of god is just being used to keep people down and to keep people from looking to themselves as a solution to their problems, he notes. If there is a problem, no one will fix it for you, except yourself.

Five Percenters dont consider themselves Muslim, but their name comes from the Nation of Islams belief that 5 percent of humanity are poor righteous teachers who exist to enlighten the masses about the truth of existence.

Members will sometimes refer to themselves as scientists to drive home the search for truth. And they face a tall task, because under their belief system, 10 percent of the worlds population controls the other 85 percent by spreading the belief in a mystery God.

To show followers the way, members must learn the Supreme Mathematics and Supreme Alphabet powerful tools to decipher the meaning of the universe. In both, each letter and number represents a concept, for example, 1 is knowledge, 2 is wisdom, while A is Allah and B is be, or born. The number 7 on Jay Zs pendant stands for God.

Caucasians, meanwhile, dont enjoy an exalted status in the narrative of the Five Percenters.

The first lesson I learned from the Five Percent was simple: Fk white people. Seriously. White people are devils, Knight, 36, who is white and converted to Islam as a teenager, once wrote.

He insisted the movement has been welcoming and that he views the controversial sentiment as a statement about power rather than biology.

For me, it is about who is marked as privileged in the power relations of this society, he says.

Some followers take exception to those who transform their flag into a fashion accessory.

Jay Z is not an active member no one has vouched for him Saladin Allah, a representative of the groups upstate region, told The Post. It was always understood that you dont wear the regalia if you dont totally subscribe to the life.

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[JohnMax]

That weirdo cult shit was hugely influential in hip hop 20 years ago. That's probably why he is wearing it. It means as much to him as a dookie rope or Kangol hat.

[MMM]

Peace to the Gods and Earths

[NumberSix]

"White devil done forced their religion and slave names on us. Fcuk dat shit...."










"Now we need to reclaim our African roots. The way to do that is give ourselves Arabic names and steal Arab religion and culture."

[AnaheimLakers24]

That weirdo cult shit was hugely influential in hip hop 20 years ago. That's probably why he is wearing it. It means as much to him as a dookie rope or Kangol hat.
this :applause:
you swear a dumb black new york kid like melo cares abouy crap like that. he just thinks the chain is fly, which it is. i would wear one

[AnaheimLakers24]

spike lee is a retard and jigga thinks hes smart just cause hes black and rich

[Rose'sACL]

spike lee is a retard and jigga thinks hes smart just cause hes black and rich
you aren't very smart either going by your posts.

[AnaheimLakers24]

also this thread is worthlessand gay

[AnaheimLakers24]

you aren't very smart either going by your posts.
thats his nickname you dumb retard

[JohnMax]

Jay Z knows EXACTLY what it means. It's his way to say "f#ck you" to whites without using his mouth.

[BlackVVaves]

thats his nickname you dumb retard

:biggums: :roll:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

nikkas gonna nikka

[moe94]

If a white athlete wore a swastika, this would be a major story.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

If a white athlete wore a swastika, this would be a major story.

Yeah, not sure why people aren't up in arms over this. Not a good look from Jay Z...or Carmelo.

[HomieWeMajor]

If white people didn't get mad about Wilt using his big dipper on thousands of white women back in the day they won't get mad about this.

[MMM]

http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/f/2011/151/d/4/white_devil_by_rumper1-d3hpw5r.jpg

[Heavincent]

So...no outrage over this? Where are all of the anti-racism activists? :confusedshrug:

[wakencdukest]

Anyone who believes this five percent bullshit has a weak mind.

[moe94]

http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/f/2011/151/d/4/white_devil_by_rumper1-d3hpw5r.jpg
:roll:

Just highlights how ridiculous this whole thing is.

[knickballer]

Kinda ironic for these celebrities/athletes to be so anti-white and radical when white America are their biggest fans and the ones putting $$ in their pocket.

Still kinda sad how Jay-Z and Spike Lee are considered "role models" and promoted in a positive light by the media despite the fact they are both assholes. As for Melo I doubt he knows what any of that means.

[moe94]

As for Melo I doubt he knows what any of that means.

Why is this so funny? :oldlol:

[Jameerthefear]

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if Melo had no idea what any of this stuff was :lol
Jay-Z on the other hand...

[Kblaze8855]

Wearing symbols doesnt mean you believe in something in your heart. How many rappers wear a cross and talk murder?

The 5% nation is just something many black people hear from 1-2 family members coming up. Usually an uncle who has renamed himself something that ends in "Bey" or "el".

One of my grandmothers best friends has a son who leads a group of them around here. Dude named Mickey...he was Mickey for 40 damn years then suddenly hes Minister Wazir and thinks hes a lawyer....funny group of people.

Very very few take it serious. But its more widespread than some would assume. I know...many of them.

[Pointguard]

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if Melo had no idea what any of this stuff was :lol
Jay-Z on the other hand...
This pretty much. The five percenters in Brooklyn was a protection outfit. Mello was too young before he left to understand the stuff they were talking about.

[Talent]

If symbols don't mean much why do people have such harsh reactions to swastikas? Symbols mean a lot and wearing something like this is stupid and immature.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This pretty much. The five percenters in Brooklyn was a protection outfit. Mello was too young before he left to understand the stuff they were talking about.

What's your take on the "five percenters" and beliefs they share?

[moe94]

Wearing symbols doesnt mean you believe in something in your heart. How many rappers wear a cross and talk murder?

The 5% nation is just something many black people hear from 1-2 family members coming up. Usually an uncle who has renamed himself something that ends in "Bey" or "el".

One of my grandmothers best friends has a son who leads a group of them around here. Dude named Mickey...he was Mickey for 40 damn years then suddenly hes Minister Wazir and thinks hes a lawyer....funny group of people.

Very very few take it serious. But its more widespread than some would assume. I know...many of them.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0316/soc_a_gio99_cr_300.jpg

Reminds me of this. Dude tried playing it off as having no idea what it meant. Said he was saying hello to someone in the stands. :oldlol:

[BlackVVaves]

he was Mickey for 40 damn years then suddenly hes Minister Wazir and thinks hes a lawyer


:whatever: :lol

[NumberSix]

If symbols don't mean much why do people have such harsh reactions to swastikas? Symbols mean a lot and wearing something like this is stupid and immature.
It's only racist if its by whites against non whites. No matter how racist something is against whites, it never counts. It's just brushed off or excuses are made why it's ok to hate white people.

On the other end though, everything a white person says about a non white is evil racism. If if nothing racist is said, it's "code language".

[ImKobe]

Melo shot 23,5% today

[moe94]

Melo shot 23,5% tonight

:oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Melo shot 23,5% today
fixed.

[ImKobe]

fixed.

My bad. feel like it's night already, ain't slept for about a day now, this Laker game helping me fall asleep soon doe

[DonDadda59]

If a white athlete wore a swastika, this would be a major story.

Eh, not really similar. Swastikas are associated with a group that incited a destructive World War and who carried out the extermination of 11 million+ people. Jay/Carmelo's chains are associated with something most people never heard of outside of maybe a Ghostface Killah verse they didn't even understand.

[moe94]

Eh, not really similar. Swastikas are associated with a group that incited a destructive World War and who carried out the extermination of 11 million+ people. Jay/Carmelo's chains are associated with something most people never heard of outside of maybe a Ghostface Killah verse they didn't even understand.

The swastika is also a religious symbol, but you cannot get away with wearing it on those grounds.

5 percenters have some wild ass beliefs. There is no difference. Aren't they the ones that believe white people were created in a lab by a crazy black scientist?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Eh, not really similar. Swastikas are associated with a group that incited a destructive World War and who carried out the extermination of 11 million+ people. Jay/Carmelo's chains are associated with something most people never heard of outside of maybe a Ghostface Killah verse they didn't even understand.

Whether or not people have "heard" about it, doesn't exactly devalue the meaning (insane psycho-babble). Just saying.

[Kblaze8855]

The swastika is also a religious symbol, but you cannot get away with wearing it on those grounds.

5 percenters have some wild ass beliefs. There is no difference.

The difference is....the holocaust. One symbol is the representation of a group that attempted to wipe out million of jews, gays, and the handicapped while taking over as much of the world as possible. The other....is some odd people who dont matter and never did.

If thats the same thing to you...ill just say...almost the entirety of humanity thinks otherwise.

[moe94]

In other words, you think it's fine that they flaunt those symbols?

[DonDadda59]

The swastika is also a religious symbol, but you cannot get away with wearing it on those grounds.

5 percenters have some wild ass beliefs. There is no difference.

http://homepage.smc.edu/quesada_donna/swastika.jpg

http://bipmistry.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/swastika.jpg

http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/images/symbols/swastika-wedding-mumbai-cc-bigappleofmyeye-200.jpg

Guess no one told them :confusedshrug:

And I think people can tell the difference between their intentions and these guys' ideologies:

http://www.live-news.com.au/upload/news/large/13/46/330471_neo_nazi_swastika_white_supremacist.jpg

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070327215334/uncyclopedia/images/0/07/Neo-nazi-35305.jpg

As other people pointed out, Jay-Z isn't even really a member of the movement and Carmelo probably has no clue what it even means. They probably just saw it on display at their jewelers and thought it looked fly.

And even if they are adherents of that school of thought, doesn't mean they're advertising their anti-White agenda. I mean, is everyone who wears a cross making a statement about their hatred of Gay people?

[NumberSix]

In other words, you think it's fine that they flaunt those symbols?
I do.

[Kblaze8855]

Why even learn to read if you dont take words to mean what they say?

[NumberSix]

And even if they are adherents of that school of thought, doesn't mean they're advertising their anti-White agenda. I mean, is everyone who wears a cross making a statement about their hatred of Gay people?No. Why would they? What does one have to do with the other?

[Sarcastic]

The swastika is also a religious symbol, but you cannot get away with wearing it on those grounds.

5 percenters have some wild ass beliefs. There is no difference. Aren't they the ones that believe white people were created in a lab by a crazy black scientist?


It's more similar to waving the Confederate flag in the south. Actually that's probably worse, considering a war was fought over that flag, and 300k people died because of it.

[DonDadda59]

No. Why would they? What does one have to do with the other?

Because as shown by the swastika, a symbol can mean many things to different people. For some the swastika is a symbol of religious enlightenment and harmony, for others a racial supremacist ideology. Same could be said about the cross- to many its a symbol of love/sacrifice/etc which Jesus stood for, others may view it as a symbol for homophobia and general hate (see: Westboro Baptist Church).

Same idea here. Kind of a weird leap to make to say that Jay-Z and Carmelo wearing a piece of jewelry means they adhere to the notion that all White people are evil Devils.

Did the author of the article even try to get either guy on record about their beliefs before writing this article based on some pictures he saw?

[NumberSix]

Because as shown by the swastika, a symbol can mean many things to different people. For some the swastika is a symbol of religious enlightenment and harmony, for others a racial supremacist ideology. Same could be said about the cross- to many its a symbol of love/sacrifice/etc which Jesus stood for, others may view it as a symbol for homophobia and general hate (see: Westboro Baptist Church).

Same idea here. Kind of a weird leap to make to say that Jay-Z and Carmelo wearing a piece of jewelry means they adhere to the notion that all White people are evil Devils.

Did the author of the article even try to get either guy on record about their beliefs before writing this article based on some pictures he saw?
That's a pretty absurd opinion. It's pretty obviously that the countries that are most liberal and accepting of gays have crosses on their flags.

[sd3035]

Nobody cares about this because whites are very secure and confident

[moe94]

Why even learn to read if you dont take words to mean what they say?

All I'm saying is both are insensitive. What are you even arguing? That the swastika is worse? :confusedshrug:

[DonDadda59]

That's a pretty absurd opinion. It's pretty obviously that the countries that are most liberal and accepting of gays have crosses on their flags.

How is it absurd? I never said the majority of people see it that way, but clearly there are people who do. I even gave a specific example of some who do.

You ask a fanatic Islamist what he thinks about the cross and he'll probably tell you that everyone who wears it is an infidel and blasphemer against Allah.

Symbols hold different meaning for different people. Sometimes they don't mean a thing. That's all I'm saying. Big leap to make conclusions about Melo and Jay Z's racial ideologies based on some expensive and flashy jewelry they wore.

[NumberSix]

How is it absurd? I never said the majority of people see it that way, but clearly there are people who do. I even gave a specific example of some who do.

You ask a fanatic Islamist what he thinks about the cross and he'll probably tell you that everyone who wears it is an infidel and blasphemer against Allah.

Symbols hold different meaning for different people. Sometimes they don't mean a thing. That's all I'm saying. Big leap to make conclusions about Melo and Jay Z's racial ideologies based on some expensive and flashy jewelry they wore.
You know Muslims like Jesus too, right?

[KyrieTheFuture]

For some reason I just want see Melo's face when it's explained to him what these symbols mean.

Also those chains are absolutely awful, even if they didn't promote something that makes scientology look reasonable they are inexcusable.

[moe94]

You know Muslims like Jesus too, right?

How's that relevant? The cross isn't a symbol of Islam.

[DonDadda59]

You know Muslims like Jesus too, right?

That is a gross generalization if I ever saw one :lol

Many Muslims consider Isa (Jesus) to have been a prophet of Allah, but unlike the Pauline Christians they reject the idea of him being the son of (and somehow simultaneously) God and the messiah. I don't even think the Q'uran mentions a crucifixion. And as I pointed out, the more fanatical sects would consider anyone who adheres to Christian beliefs centered around the aforementioned notions to be an infidel and apostate from Allah's laws.

[Budadiiii]

lol, the people behind this cult are a joke.

They're not even relevant enough to create public outcry from us white folk. :lol

[NumberSix]

That is a gross generalization if I ever saw one :lol

Many Muslims consider Isa (Jesus) to have been a prophet of Allah
Not many, all.

but unlike the Pauline Christians they reject the idea of him being the son of (and somehow simultaneously) God and the messiah. I don't even think the Q'uran mentions a crucifixion.
You think wrong.


And as I pointed out, the more fanatical sects would consider anyone who adheres to Christian beliefs centered around the aforementioned notions to be an infidel and apostate from Allah's laws.
The Koran explicitly says Christians are people of god who just haven't received the final word yet.


You do too much guessing.

[NumberSix]

lol, the people behind this cult are a joke.

They're not even relevant enough to create public outcry from us white folk. :lol
Didn't you say you're a black guy and a cocaine kingpin?

[moe94]

Didn't you say you're a black guy and a cocaine kingpin?

He's also Asian.

[Budadiiii]

Didn't you say you're a black guy and a cocaine kingpin?
Prove it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

That is a gross generalization if I ever saw one :lol

Many Muslims consider Isa (Jesus) to have been a prophet of Allah, but unlike the Pauline Christians they reject the idea of him being the son of (and somehow simultaneously) God and the messiah. I don't even think the Q'uran mentions a crucifixion. And as I pointed out, the more fanatical sects would consider anyone who adheres to Christian beliefs centered around the aforementioned notions to be an infidel and apostate from Allah's laws.

Hey Don, you're in NYC right? Do you or anyone you know align yourself to this type of thinking ("five percent") ? Not hating, just curious is all.

[NumberSix]

He's also Asian.
Slanty or sandy?

[Mr Feeny]

Not many, all.

You think wrong.


The Koran explicitly says Christians are people of god who just haven't received the final word yet.


You do too much guessing.

This is pretty much exactly correct. Where are you from Numbersix, if you don't mind me asking?

[DonDadda59]

You think wrong.

[I]That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

[MMM]

That is a gross generalization if I ever saw one :lol

Many Muslims consider Isa (Jesus) to have been a prophet of Allah, but unlike the Pauline Christians they reject the idea of him being the son of (and somehow simultaneously) God and the messiah. I don't even think the Q'uran mentions a crucifixion. And as I pointed out, the more fanatical sects would consider anyone who adheres to Christian beliefs centered around the aforementioned notions to be an infidel and apostate from Allah's laws.

Muslims believe Isa is the Messiah but not sure of the details of Christian Jesus vs. Isa as the Messiah.

[NumberSix]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59][I]That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

[9512]

I highly doubt Carmelo knows what that logo means. He's one to adhere to mj's " republicans buy shoes too."

[DonDadda59]

Thats not the "sauce". The "sauce" ain't in english. In Arabic it says he wasn't killed. That's a mistranslation. It says Jesus wasn't KILLED on the cross. It doesn't say he wasn't on the cross at all.

A) I don't really give a shit since it makes no difference to me. This thread was derailed by you about 2 pages ago discussing semantics that had nothing to do with the thread topic. My fault for even bothering to address it.

B) If Jesus wasn't KILLED on the cross, then that means the basis of the Christian faith- the idea that Jesus/God sacrificed his son/self on the cross in order to save humanity as per his role as the messiah... is one that is rejected by the religious text that Muslims adhere to. So again... what are you even trying to argue? :confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

A) I don't really give a shit since it makes no difference to me. This thread was derailed by you about 2 pages ago discussing semantics that had nothing to do with the thread topic. My fault for even bothering to address it.
Lol. You're a weird person. All I did was say the Koran mentioned the crucifixion. You then show a verse mentioning the crucifixion and act as if that proves that it doesn't mention it.

I see logic isn't your strong point.

If Jesus wasn't KILLED on the cross, then that means the basis of the Christian faith- the idea that Jesus/God sacrificed his son/self on the cross in order to save humanity as per his role as the messiah... is one that is rejected by the religious text that Muslims adhere to. So again... what are you even trying to argue? :confusedshrug:
Yeah, Muslims don't believe that Jesus is the son of God. Duh. Who says otherwise?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Nah, not even remotely religious. But I've seen a ton of 5%ers and those Black Jews who dress like Wizard pimps :oldlol:

Yeah, Ive seen a few of these (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBlbLgl5WDs) dudes preaching that nonsense.

GOAT trolling on display, just not behind a computer... :lol

[DonDadda59]

Lol. You're a weird person. All I did was say the Koran mentioned the crucifixion. You then show a verse mentioning the crucifixion and act as if that proves that it doesn't mention it.

I see logic isn't your strong point.

Yeah, Muslims don't believe that Jesus is the son of God. Duh. Who says otherwise?

Again... you're discussing pointless semantics with absolutely no point to make whatsoever. If you want to mark down the author of the Q'uran denying the crucifixion ever even happened as it being mentioned, go ahead. Congrats :lol


Yeah, Ive seen a few of these dudes preaching that nonsense.

GOAT trolling on display, just not behind a computer...

Yeah those dudes have some far out ideas. Actually stopped to talk to one of them for like 15 minutes coming out of the subway one day just because I was so curious. Far out shit :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Yeah, Ive seen a few of these (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBlbLgl5WDs) dudes preaching that nonsense.

GOAT trolling on display, just not behind a computer... :lol
Lol. African Americans wanting everybody's history but their own.


African Americans = West Africans. Not Jews, not Egyptians, not Minoans, not "Asiatic" or anything else.

[Burgz V2]

they probably just like Wu-Tang

[BasedTom]

Being proud of being black = Wow, what a great guy. He's involved with helping his community.
Being proud of being white = Holy shit, someone call the cops, we've got a nazi here.

[Dizzle-2k7]

Wearing symbols doesnt mean you believe in something in your heart. How many rappers wear a cross and talk murder?

The 5% nation is just something many black people hear from 1-2 family members coming up. Usually an uncle who has renamed himself something that ends in "Bey" or "el".

One of my grandmothers best friends has a son who leads a group of them around here. Dude named Mickey...he was Mickey for 40 damn years then suddenly hes Minister Wazir and thinks hes a lawyer....funny group of people.

Very very few take it serious. But its more widespread than some would assume. I know...many of them.

typical kblaze post defending trash :facepalm

[BigMacAttack]

Jigga and Melo be like:

At Reparations Technical Institute and learn hatred for the white devil in a relaxed campus atmosphere, where classes range from... to... Hatred for the White Devil... Advanced Hatred for the White Devil... and... volleyball.

[AlphaWolf24]

When?
[FONT="Palatino Linotype"]
" So we want to advance as a society and a culture, but, say, if something happens to an African-American we immediately come to his defense? Yet you want to talk about how far we

[tmacattack33]

This is stupid. They probably didn't stop and google this sh*t and take hours to read this sh*t before putting it.

It probably just looked cool to them so then they wore it.

Don't read too much into it. Just like when people claim that Jay-z is worshipping the devil or whatever whenever he holds up the diamond sign. But he just throws up the diamond sign because he wants to rep his record label Roc-a-fella.

[NumberSix]

Dats racists yo.

[christian1923]

That chain is fresh as **** lol

[NumberSix]

Lol. It's funny how you can get away with saying blacks are actual gods, but you get crucified if you say whites are just the best humans.

[moe94]

Lol. It's funny how you can get away with saying blacks are actual gods, but you get crucified if you say whites are just the best humans.

Gods don't exist.

[bdreason]

All that money and still acting like ni99ers. Instead of promoting misogyny, materialism, and racism... maybe Jay and Melo should use their popularity to promote positive values in the black community.

[LWBMIA]

Damn this forum is full of lame white dorks...

[NumberSix]

Gods don't exist.
Whites do doe.

[NumberSix]

Bump....


Fire Melo?

[smoovegittar]

oh, you naughty little racist! I'm telling the Prez...

[Laker4Lyfe]

Bump....


Fire Melo?

yes

[Dresta]

Sounds like a certain guy who posts on this site. Goes by the name of 'Pointguard' i believe.

[GetBuckets]

It's more similar to waving the Confederate flag in the south. Actually that's probably worse, considering a war was fought over that flag, and 300k people died because of it.

And that Flag stood for state rights and freedoms, which is what the War started over not Racism and Slavery as many Americans are taught today in school.

[oarabbus]

Carmelo looks like he drank a 5th then smoked a blunt in that pic :lol