Who Would You Build Ur Team Around:Lebron Or Tim Dunacn(In Prime)?

[aboss4real24]

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2 very Great Players , 2 very consistent players 2 top 10 players arguably

If U were Starting a team , Who Would U Take? TD Or Lb

i would take LB Just because i like wing players better
The ball is always in there Hand

Who would u Take?

[leMVP]

Who hacked your account?

praising Lebron all of a sudden?

[Smook A.]

Timmy D

[Fudge]

Duncan over anybody not named Shaq or MJ.

[eriX]

no one would ever pick a wing over a bigman especially in this scenario.

[pauk]

Stop it, i dont think anybody on this planet would deep down inside feel like actually taking Tim Duncan over Lebron thinking they would have better success, seriously... Lebron is not your typical wing, he is so much more than that... he has Magic's unselfishness, versatility & intangibles offensively (with even more scoring ability) and Pippen's versatility defensively........ he is your front, your back & your wing on BOTH ENDS of the floor.... a more impactful & dominant player......

...and i dont believe that "Yea, but i have a system/roster where Tim Duncan would fit better", thats an excuse... an excuse for your Lebron cynicism...

Lebron would take his team to far more successful heights than Duncan if they had ANY identical roster each season.... i can guarantee you that....

There is only ONE guy in NBA history i would take over Lebron James and that is Michael Jordan... and even then i would have deep 2nd thoughts...

[Harison]

Timmy, obviously.

[Eye Test]

I'd need to hire Pop as well for TD to work out so gimme bran, oh wait! then I'd need 2 franchise players (one a former fmvp) plus the best shooter of all time or he'd leave my franchise ringless. Ok ima take my chance with TD.

[Yankstar]

Lebron. More marketing money and sales for jerseys and shit. Timmy is great and all but in no way is he marketable like a Bron or Kobe. I want to make money on my franchise as well as winning :hammerhead:

[iamgine]

Both is fine but I'd take Lebron because he's far more marketable.

[Eye Test]

Both is fine but I'd take Lebron because he's far more marketable.

whats the use of a marketable player when he's selling jerseys for another team cause you didnt surround him with the best talent?

[ImKobe]

Duncan over anyone not named Kobe & MJ.

[no pun intended]

Duncan, if my coach is Pops.

[Harison]

While my choice is clear, but it would be interesting how LBJ develops if he had a coach like Pop or Phil.

[JohnMax]

Duncan declined early because of ankle surgeries. He was at his best before 2006.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Stop it, i dont think anybody on this planet would deep down inside feel like actually taking Tim Duncan over Lebron thinking they would have better success, seriously... Lebron is not your typical wing, he is so much more than that... he has Magic's unselfishness, versatility & intangibles offensively (with even more scoring ability) and Pippen's versatility defensively........ he is your front, your back & your wing on BOTH ENDS of the floor.... a more impactful & dominant player......

...and i dont believe that "Yea, but i have a system/roster where Tim Duncan would fit better", thats an excuse... an excuse for your Lebron cynicism...

Lebron would take his team to far more successful heights than Duncan if they had ANY identical roster each season.... i can guarantee you that....

There is only ONE guy in NBA history i would take over Lebron James and that is Michael Jordan... and even then i would have deep 2nd thoughts...
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[tgan3]

I think it depends on the other players on my team, if I have a good bigman like Aldriidge i'll take lebron. If I have a good wing like Iguodala i'll take Duncan.

[sportjames23]

Duncan over anybody not named MJ, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Dream, Wilt, Russell, Barkley.

































































And Kobe.

[sportjames23]

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Oh, this that gif you were looking for, Deuce? LOL, I forgot about this one. :oldlol:

[T_L_P]

Duncan. Easier to build around, better leader and teammate (LeBron didn't ever automatically make those around him better).

I have no problem if you take LeBron though. If LeBron continue to play extremely well and win titles my opinion could change.

[wally_world]

Durant

Probably Duncan, always easier to build around a big

[raprap]

Big market = lbj

small market = duncan

[Anaximandro1]

LeBron is a beast, the best perimeter player since Michael Jordan, but prime Duncan would be # 1.

Duncan played in 11 playoff series vs. Shaq/Dirk/KG from 1999 to 2008, and was only outscored in three.

Duncan won 4 titles and 3 FMVPs. Nobody would be able to stop him in todays league.

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Don't forget 2013 NBA Finals.

37 year old Tim goes for 30/17 in the finals on the road. He left the game with 28 seconds to play. The Spurs had a five point lead , and ahead 3-2 in the series...

[SHABBA]

Duncan, of course.

[fpliii]

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2 very Great Players , 2 very consistent players 2 top 10 players arguably

If U were Starting a team , Who Would U Take? TD Or Lb

i would take LB Just because i like wing players better
The ball is always in there Hand

Who would u Take?

I'll always take the big man if things are even remotely close.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Duncan over anyone not named Kobe & MJ.
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[Marlo_Stanfield]

the only non troll answer of course is lebron.
but i would get an allstar SG with an elite 3pter who doesnt need the ball often, a capable passer and defender at the PG position and an elite rim protector who can score inside. PF just has to be solid and able to hit outside shots.
we have yet to see lebron play with a cast that really fits him.
he never played with a good passing PG and he NEVEr had an elite rim protector in his 10 years in the NBA. insane if you think about it

[T_L_P]

the only non troll answer of course is lebron.
but i would get an allstar SG with an elite 3pter who doesnt need the ball often, a capable passer and defender at the PG position and an elite rim protector who can score inside. PF just has to be solid and able to hit outside shots.
we have yet to see lebron play with a cast that really fits him.
he never played with a good passing PG and he NEVEr had an elite rim protector in his 10 years in the NBA. insane if you think about it

How on Earth is that the only non-troll answer?

The simple fact is Duncan won twice as many titles as LeBron is his first eleven years, and he did it with arguably less help. The 2011 Heat shits on any squad prime Duncan got to play with. You put prime Duncan on the 2011, 2012, and 2013 Miami Heat and I'm sure they still win at least two of the three titles. LeBron would never be able to win with Duncan's 2003 supporting cast.

[Trollsmasher]

whats the use of a marketable player when he's selling jerseys for another team cause you didnt surround him with the best talent?
you surround him with talent

You think Timmy is going to win you something without talent around him?

[iamgine]

whats the use of a marketable player when he's selling jerseys for another team cause you didnt surround him with the best talent?
That's why you surround him with talent.

[Nash]

you'd do well with either. But I've seen Lebron carry crappy teams on his back. Don't know how well Duncan would do with a team like the Cleveland Lebron had.

[sd3035]

Durant

[dabigbaws]

Duncan.

[T_L_P]

you'd do well with either. But I've seen Lebron carry crappy teams on his back. Don't know how well Duncan would do with a team like the Cleveland Lebron had.

Carry them to what, ultimately?

Like I said earlier, the 2011 Heat is better than any squad Duncan got to play with in his prime, yet he couldn't deliver the goods. Equally, neither of LeBron's championship casts (2012, 2013) were as bad as Duncan's in 2003.

That's just the way it is :confusedshrug:

[aboss4real24]

Kobe couldnt carry a team Like LB Or Duncan

he needs staccd tms

[Just2McFly]

you'd do well with either. But I've seen Lebron carry crappy teams on his back. Don't know how well Duncan would do with a team like the Cleveland Lebron had.
exactly

[SCdac]

the guy who won a championship in his second season and didn't jump ship to play with former Finals MVP and eastern conference rival

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[red1]

Tough decision. Torn because these are two of my favs. Can't really go wrong with either but I am forced to choose I'll take duncan. Timmy in this era means guaranteed chips.

[Just2McFly]

the guy who won a championship in his second season and didn't jump ship to play with former Finals MVP and eastern conference rival

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I dont think anyone who got drafted to a team with an all time great is going to leave after getting a championship in his second season. :facepalm

[Legends66NBA7]

I dont think anyone who got drafted to a team with an all time great is going to leave after getting a championship in his second season. :facepalm

Duncan said that he was close to leaving in 2000 for Orlando. Orlando also got Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill that year.

[Just2McFly]

Duncan said that he was close to leaving in 2000 for Orlando. Orlando also got Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill that year.
I forgot about that, good point.:applause:

[aboss4real24]

Duncan said that he was close to leaving in 2000 for Orlando. Orlando also got Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill that year.

So Timmy isnt that loyal either:confusedshrug:

[SCdac]

So Timmy isnt that loyal either:confusedshrug:

He decided to stay. One of multiple extensions/re-signings.

[DonDadda59]

Timmy.

Bron jumps ship first chance he gets even if your team is winning 60+ games in consecutive years. Then your franchise has to start from scratch and you look like a fool for picking him. Loyalty goes a long way.

[Eye Test]

you surround him with talent

You think Timmy is going to win you something without talent around him?

this is not standard talent, you need numerous FRANCHISE players dude, not an easy trick to pull out, you'll need paycuts and a lot of stuff. building around lebron requires too much effort. TD without a blink

[J Shuttlesworth]

Honestly, I wouldn't be worried about loyalty. Bron gave Cleveland 7 years and they were actually a watchable team for that time. I can't imagine Duncan generating that level of excitement/profit for my organization on a shitty team like the Cavs. If I was able to put decent pieces around Bron, I doubt he would leave the team.

[Odinn]

you'd do well with either. But I've seen Lebron carry crappy teams on his back. Don't know how well Duncan would do with a team like the Cleveland Lebron had.
So, basically you're saying you were not watching in the early 2000s. Right?..

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Easily Lebron. He's arguably just as good of a player. He's able to carry mediocre teams to 60+ wins. Not to mention, he can generate revenue for the team far, far beyond what Duncan is capable of.

[SCdac]

Honestly, I wouldn't be worried about loyalty. Bron gave Cleveland 7 years and they were actually a watchable team for that time. I can't imagine Duncan generating that level of excitement/profit for my organization on a shitty team like the Cavs. If I was able to put decent pieces around Bron, I doubt he would leave the team.

If Lebron wasn't from there, and didn't want to look like a chump for leaving his home state, I bet he would have left earlier (if he could). Just a guess though. Don't feel like he was all that committed to the Cavs despite him sticking around. Duncan made the Spurs the first former-ABA team to win a championship and lifted the team from decades of disappointment, it's not as if he hasn't generated profit and excitement. Maybe not as worldly popular as Lebron, but winning has a way of getting people's attention.

[J Shuttlesworth]

If Lebron wasn't from there, and didn't want to look like a chump for leaving his home state, I bet he would have left earlier (if he could). Just a guess though. Don't feel like he was all that committed to the Cavs despite him sticking around. Duncan made the Spurs the first former-ABA team to win a championship and lifted the team from decades of disappointment, it's not as if he hasn't generated profit and excitement. Maybe not as worldly popular as Lebron, but winning has a way of getting people's attention.
This is just conjecture saying that LeBron wouldn't have stayed if he wasn't from Cleveland. I don't expect a great player to stay on a team where he can't win. If I'm the organization and i'm unable to put pieces around LeBron/Duncan to win a ring, that is my fault. And 7 years is pretty damn committed, especially for a team as bad as the Cavs were. I mean Mike Brown?

[aboss4real24]

So, basically you're saying you were not watching in the early 2000s. Right?..

Wasnt Drob On that team? even tho he wasnt in his prime still was a great player

and they also had Manu n tony

And avery johnson was a solid pg also


The double standard 4 Lebron is unreal and im far frum a LB Fan

[SCdac]

I'd probably take LeBron. They'll both win you titles but LeBron has had 7 straight MVP level seasons and likely more to come. I don't even think Duncan has done that.

Duncan was top-5 in MVP voting his first 8 seasons in the league, including winning 2 back to back MVP's. And keep in mind he was playing alongside prime Shaq, Garnett, Kobe, McGrady, etc.

[Odinn]

Wasnt Drob On that team? even tho he wasnt in his prime still was a great player

and they also had Manu n tony

And avery johnson was a solid pg also


The double standard 4 Lebron is unreal and im far frum a LB Fan
Wow. Thanks for the heads up.:facepalm

[Blue&Orange]

LeBron is a beast, the best perimeter player since Michael Jordan, but prime Duncan would be # 1.

Duncan played in 11 playoff series vs. Shaq/Dirk/KG from 1999 to 2008, and was only outscored in three.

Duncan won 4 titles and 3 FMVPs. Nobody would be able to stop him in todays league.

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Don't forget 2013 NBA Finals.

37 year old Tim goes for 30/17 in the finals on the road. He left the game with 28 seconds to play. The Spurs had a five point lead , and ahead 3-2 in the series...
Timmy still playing and already becoming a myth like Wilt. Gotta love the idiots saying that Duncan over LEbron is trolling. The difference of competition level both faced is almost funny

[T_L_P]

Wasnt Drob On that team? even tho he wasnt in his prime still was a great player

and they also had Manu n tony

And avery johnson was a solid pg also


The double standard 4 Lebron is unreal and im far frum a LB Fan

D. Rob was broken down after the first ring (although he did look good in the 2000 Phoenix series, which Duncan didn't play in and they lost). I never liked Parker from '02-'06, and Manu wasn't that great either until '04.

'00-'03 Spurs were very mediocre. It was a collection of aging vets and head cases.

Avery Johnson :roll:

A 9 PPG / 5 APG Point Guard is not a championship Point Guard.

[SCdac]

This is just conjecture saying that LeBron wouldn't have stayed if he wasn't from Cleveland. I don't expect a great player to stay on a team where he can't win. If I'm the organization and i'm unable to put pieces around LeBron/Duncan to win a ring, that is my fault. And 7 years is pretty damn committed, especially for a team as bad as the Cavs were. I mean Mike Brown?

I agree, what Lebron did in CLE was impressive. I think it should be clear in a thread like this, we're arguing which cut of diamond is more impressive than the other. Is there really a wrong answer? I don't think so. But we all have an opinion. The pressure was there to surround Lebron, trading for late-Shaq, etc., but ultimately the kind of team Lebron chose was one that was going to be guaranteed to win. Maybe that was due to fatigue from losing, but I can appreciate Duncan for being willing to play with late draft picks, developing prospects, and older veterans on a small market team (when he could probably make more elsewhere). Finished his 4 years at wake forest, came into the league a polished product, and immediately turned the Spurs into contenders for over a decade. How do you not pick him? :oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

Still probably lean towards Duncan, but it's close.

Need to see what Lebron does here. If he manages to get another title for this Heat team this year...damn...4 straight finals and a 3 peat is going to be hard to ignore.

Having said that though, I see no evidence that Lebron could win a title with what Duncan had in 03. And for that...I think we must give Duncan the benefit of the doubt.

[DonDadda59]

Easily Lebron. He's arguably just as good of a player. He's able to carry mediocre teams to 60+ wins.

Duncan won the CHAMPIONSHIP in 2003 with a lineup featuring a rookie Manu (7 PPG coming off the bench), a 2nd year Parker (who was so erratic the Spurs wanted Jason Kidd to take his place), and a completely shot Robinson (9 PPG/7 RPG in his final year). That's more impressive than anything LeBron has done in his entire career. Plus, it has been proven that no matter what lineup you put alongside Tim- you're guaranteed at least 50 wins (projected for lockout seasons).


Not to mention, he can generate revenue for the team far, far beyond what Duncan is capable of.

Miami Heat 2014 Revenue: $188 million ($90 in player expenses)
San Antonio Spurs 2014 Revenue: $167 million ($77 million in player expenses)

Miami Heat 2014 Operating Income: $29.2 million
San Antonio Spurs 2014 Operating Income: $39.4 million

Source: Forbes

[aboss4real24]

D. Rob was broken down after the first ring (although he did look good in the 2000 Phoenix series, which Duncan didn't play in and they lost). I never liked Parker from '02-'06, and Manu wasn't that great either until '04.

'00-'03 Spurs were very mediocre. It was a collection of aging vets and head cases.

Avery Johnson :roll:

A 9 PPG / 5 APG Point Guard is not a championship Point Guard.


9ppg and 5 assist is a solid pg in the league, especially off the bench

And even a Old drob , young manu, tony

still 50x better than Varejo,Big z ,Eric snow , drew gooden

[J Shuttlesworth]

I agree, what Lebron did in CLE was impressive. I think it should be clear in a thread like this, we're arguing which cut of diamond is more impressive than the other. Is there really a wrong answer? I don't think so. But we all have an opinion. The pressure was there to surround Lebron, trading for late-Shaq, etc., but ultimately the kind of team Lebron chose was one that was going to be guaranteed to win. Maybe that was due to fatigue from losing, but I can appreciate Duncan for being willing to play with late draft picks, developing prospects, and older veterans on a small market team (when he could probably make more elsewhere). Finished his 4 years at wake forest, came into the league a polished product, and immediately turned the Spurs into contenders for over a decade. How do you not pick him? :oldlol:
Because it's more impressive to turn the Cavs into contenders than the Spurs. Duncan had DRob for his first ring, and popovich. Career wise though, I see Duncan and LeBron as very close as far as all time records. Did Duncan ever really have to deal with playing with a cast as bad as the Cavs? He always had a solid coaching system on his spurs. And let's not forget how much more money your organization will make by having a star perimeter player vs. a big man.

[Rose'sACL]

Duncan in a big market would be considered a much better player by casual viewers as compared to what casual viewers think of him right now

[T_L_P]

9ppg and 5 assist is a solid pg in the league, especially off the bench

And even a Old drob , young manu, tony

still 50x better than Varejo,Big z ,Eric snow , drew gooden

In the East? We'll call it even. Difference is Duncan won.

[navy]

Still probably lean towards Duncan, but it's close.

Need to see what Lebron does here. If he manages to get another title for this Heat team this year...damn...4 straight finals and a 3 peat is going to be hard to ignore.

Having said that though, I see no evidence that Lebron could win a title with what Duncan had in 03. And for that...I think we must give Duncan the benefit of the doubt.
Popovich is being underrated here. Ive seen multiple instances where Duncan was gone and the SPurs kept on chugging right along like nothing happened.

Mind pulling up the differentials for when Duncan was on and off the floor in 03? I dont think that team is as bad as you guys are trying to make it out to be.

I would pick Duncan, because he's a big.

[aj1987]

Duncan won the CHAMPIONSHIP in 2003 with a lineup featuring a rookie Manu (7 PPG coming off the bench), a 2nd year Parker (who was so erratic the Spurs wanted Jason Kidd to take his place), and a completely shot Robinson (9 PPG/7 RPG in his final year). That's more impressive than anything LeBron has done in his entire career. Plus, it has been proven that no matter what lineup you put alongside Tim- you're guaranteed at least 50 wins (projected for lockout seasons).
Yeah, lets pretend that LeBron didn't carry Mo and West to 60+ wins, and beat the Spurs and Duncan with an injured Wade and bitch in Bosh.



Miami Heat 2014 Revenue: $188 million ($90 in player expenses)
San Antonio Spurs 2014 Revenue: $167 million ($77 million in player expenses)

Miami Heat 2014 Operating Income: $29.2 million
San Antonio Spurs 2014 Operating Income: $39.4 million

Source: Forbes

That's just from ticket sales. You do realize that they make a shit load of money from other sources, right? Maybe not.

[DonDadda59]

9ppg and 5 assist is a solid pg in the league, especially off the bench

And even a Old drob , young manu, tony

still 50x better than Varejo,Big z ,Eric snow , drew gooden

Absolutely not. Mo Williams in '09/'10>2nd year Parker, and the front line rotation of Big Z and Varejao>>>D Rob on his absolute last legs. Manu was giving the Spurs the same production as Sczerbiak was giving the Cavs. Cleveland even got 'Twan to join that squad when he was putting up 21/9. Plus Shaq who was far more impactful than Robinson at that respective point in their careers.

Cleveland in '09/'10>2003 Spurs.

Difference is LeBron quit on his squad while Timmy led his to the promised land.

[fpliii]

9ppg and 5 assist is a solid pg in the league, especially off the bench

And even a Old drob , young manu, tony

still 50x better than Varejo,Big z ,Eric snow , drew gooden
willds, I don't get your new schtick.

You're going in on not only LeBron, but Kobe, Durant, and Duncan too? And now you're pro-LeBron?

Huh?

[T_L_P]

Absolutely not. Mo Williams in '09/'10>2nd year Parker, and the front line rotation of Big Z and Varejao>>>D Rob on his absolute last legs. Manu was giving the Spurs the same production as Sczerbiak was giving the Cavs. Cleveland even got 'Twan to join that squad when he was putting up 21/9. Plus Shaq who was far more impactful than Robinson at that respective point in their careers.

Cleveland in '09/'10>2003 Spurs.

Difference is LeBron quit on his squad while Timmy led his to the promised land.

:applause:

[DMAVS41]

Popovich is being underrated here. Ive seen multiple instances where Duncan was gone and the SPurs kept on chugging right along like nothing happened.

Mind pulling up the differentials for when Duncan was on and off the floor in 03? I dont think that team is as bad as you guys are trying to make it out to be.

I would pick Duncan, because he's a big.

Totally agree about Pop, but I was already factoring that in.

The 03 Spurs were absolutely not bad, but it's hard to win without another star type player. Lebron won last year without one though...so I guess I shouldn't make as big of a deal about that year as I just did.

These playoffs will go a long way in settling this question for me.

Right now I still lean towards Duncan...and I'll use a different reason. The 11 Finals...

[aboss4real24]

Absolutely not. Mo Williams in '09/'10>2nd year Parker, and the front line rotation of Big Z and Varejao>>>D Rob on his absolute last legs. Manu was giving the Spurs the same production as Sczerbiak was giving the Cavs. Cleveland even got 'Twan to join that squad when he was putting up 21/9. Plus Shaq who was far more impactful than Robinson at that respective point in their careers.

Cleveland in '09/'10>2003 Spurs.

Difference is LeBron quit on his squad while Timmy led his to the promised land.

i was comparing the 03 sas to the 07 cavs Lebron carried to the finals

n lol @ Mo will better then tony in 2nd year

[red1]

Absolutely not. Mo Williams in '09/'10>2nd year Parker, and the front line rotation of Big Z and Varejao>>>D Rob on his absolute last legs. Manu was giving the Spurs the same production as Sczerbiak was giving the Cavs. Cleveland even got 'Twan to join that squad when he was putting up 21/9.

Cleveland in '09/'10>2003 Spurs.

Difference is LeBron quit on his squad while Timmy led his to the promised land.
I disagree. Mo williams is a big time choker. Despite all of the mismatches orlando had over cleveland they still had a chance to win that series and make the finals if mo made only a few of his wide open shots, shots he was nailing with ease in the regular season. 09 cleveland supporting cast is definitely not better than the admittedly weak spurs cast of that year. 10 cleveland cast was a bit better but even still that team was clearly lacking in talent as the celtics series exposed.

[aboss4real24]

willds, I don't get your new schtick.

You're going in on not only LeBron, but Kobe, Durant, and Duncan too? And now you're pro-LeBron?

Huh?

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[aj1987]

Absolutely not. Mo Williams in '09/'10>2nd year Parker, and the front line rotation of Big Z and Varejao>>>D Rob on his absolute last legs. Manu was giving the Spurs the same production as Sczerbiak was giving the Cavs. Cleveland even got 'Twan to join that squad when he was putting up 21/9. Plus Shaq who was far more impactful than Robinson at that respective point in their careers.

Cleveland in '09/'10>2003 Spurs.

Difference is LeBron quit on his squad while Timmy led his to the promised land.
God, you're an idiot. LeBron averaged 35/9/7 during the '09 playoffs and 39/8/8 on the ECF. 29/9/8/2/2 in 10. You might've missed Mo and the rest of the Cav's choking HARD.

[SCdac]

Popovich is being underrated here. Ive seen multiple instances where Duncan was gone and the SPurs kept on chugging right along like nothing happened.

Mind pulling up the differentials for when Duncan was on and off the floor in 03? I dont think that team is as bad as you guys are trying to make it out to be.

I would pick Duncan, because he's a big.

Keep in mind, in 03, 26 year old Duncan played alot more minutes than any other Spur and earned himself another MVP and Finals MVP. His production only increased in the playoffs. The Spurs had a well-rounded team and great, but largely because of do-it-all Tim Duncan.

Regular Season

Duncan - 3,181 minutes (39 mpg) .. 23 mpg / 13 rpg / 4 apg / 3 bpg / .51 FG%
Parker - 2,774 minutes (34 mpg)
Bowen - 2,566 minutes (31 mpg)

Duncan - 1,021 minutes (43 mpg), played 45-46 minutes eight times
Parker - 814 minutes (34 mpg),
Jackson - 811 minutes (34 mpg)

[fpliii]

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:no:
Stop trashing Kobe, KD, and Duncan.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Totally agree about Pop, but I was already factoring that in.

The 03 Spurs were absolutely not bad, but it's hard to win without another star type player. Lebron won last year without one though...so I guess I shouldn't make as big of a deal about that year as I just did.

These playoffs will go a long way in settling this question for me.

Right now I still lean towards Duncan...and I'll use a different reason. The 11 Finals...
Is going to the finals and choking really better than not going to the finals? Spurs have never successfully defended their title. So far, LeBron has gone to the finals with the Heat every year he has played with them. Duncan has missed the Finals, or the WCF even and that's with Popvich, Parker, and Ginobli. I'd rather get to the finals and choke, than miss the WCF.

[T_L_P]

Is going to the finals and choking really better than not going to the finals? Spurs have never successfully defended their title. So far, LeBron has gone to the finals with the Heat every year he has played with them. Duncan has missed the Finals, or the WCF even and that's with Popvich, Parker, and Ginobli. I'd rather get to the finals and choke, than miss the WCF.

2000: Duncan goes down
2004: Fisher miracle shot
2006: Manu stupid foul on Dirk

Not making excuses, but a few lucky moments and the Spurs could have 5-peated.

[J Shuttlesworth]

2000: Duncan goes down
2004: Fisher miracle shot
2006: Manu stupid foul on Dirk

Not making excuses, but a few lucky moments and the Spurs could have 5-peated.
But they didn't, and they choked last year after being up 5 w/ 28 seconds left. Theoreticals aren't going to win this race. They didn't defend their titles and they didn't 5 peat.

[DonDadda59]

Yeah, lets pretend that LeBron didn't carry Mo and West to 60+ wins, and beat the Spurs and Duncan with an injured Wade and bitch in Bosh.


Supporting Casts:

'09-'10 Cavaliers (61 wins, lost 2nd round before Bron abandoned them)

Mo Williams- 15.8 PPG (43% 3 PT)/ 5.3 APG
Antwan Jamison- 15.8 PPG/ 7.7 RPG
Shaquille O'Neal- 12 PPG (57% FG)/ 6.7 RPG
Anderson Varejao- 8.6 PPG (57% FG)/ 7.6 RPG
Delonte West- 8.8 PPG/ 3 APG
Zydrunas Illgauskas- 7.4 PPG/ 5.4 RPG
Anthony Parker- 7.3 PPG (41% 3PT)
Boobie Gibson- 6.3 PPG (48% 3 PT)


'02-03 Spurs (60 Wins, Championship)
Tony Parker- 15.5 PPG/ 5.3 APG
Stephen Jackson- 11.8 PPG
Malik Rose- 10.4 PPG/ 6.7 RPG
David Robinson- 8.5 PPG/ 7.9 RPG
Manu Ginobli- 7.6 PPG

Who is seriously going to sit there and tell me that Timmy had a better supporting cast in '03 when he won his second ring than Bron in '10 when he abandoned his 61 win team?


That's just from ticket sales. You do realize that they make a shit load of money from other sources, right? Maybe not.

Go ahead and show me the revenue LeBron is making for his team(s) outside of ticket sales as compared to Tim.

[T_L_P]

But they didn't, and they choked last year after being up 5 w/ 28 seconds left. Theoreticals aren't going to win this race. They didn't defend their titles and they didn't 5 peat.

And the fact that a 37-year-old Duncan, a hobbled Tony Parker, and an awful Manu Ginobili took the LeBron-lead Heat to 7 games is probably the most embarrassing thing of all.

Like I said, Duncan never got to play with anything like the 2011 Heat. And LeBron never won with anything like the 2003 Spurs.

Defending the title is the most arbitrary thing in all of basketball. Winning 5 straight titles then losing 5 straight is hardly better than winning 1 every other year for a decade, is it?

[tpols]

Supporting Casts:

'09-'10 Cavaliers (61 wins, lost 2nd round before Bron abandoned them)

Mo Williams- 15.8 PPG (43% 3 PT)/ 5.3 APG
Antwan Jamison- 15.8 PPG/ 7.7 RPG
Shaquille O'Neal- 12 PPG (57% FG)/ 6.7 RPG
Anderson Varejao- 8.6 PPG (57% FG)/ 7.6 RPG
Delonte West- 8.8 PPG/ 3 APG
Zydrunas Illgauskas- 7.4 PPG/ 5.4 RPG
Anthony Parker- 7.3 PPG (41% 3PT)
Boobie Gibson- 6.3 PPG (48% 3 PT)


'02-03 Spurs (60 Wins, Championship)
Tony Parker- 15.5 PPG/ 5.3 APG
Stephen Jackson- 11.8 PPG
Malik Rose- 10.4 PPG/ 6.7 RPG
David Robinson- 8.5 PPG/ 7.9 RPG
Manu Ginobli- 7.6 PPG

Who is seriously going to sit there and tell me that Timmy had a better supporting cast in '03 when he won his second ring than Bron in '10 when he abandoned his 61 win team?



Go ahead and show me the revenue LeBron is making for his team(s) outside of ticket sales as compared to Tim.

Tim Duncan never quit against the Lakers.. Lebron did against the Celtics, thats the difference.

[red1]

Supporting Casts:

'09-'10 Cavaliers (61 wins, lost 2nd round before Bron abandoned them)

Mo Williams- 15.8 PPG (43% 3 PT)/ 5.3 APG
Antwan Jamison- 15.8 PPG/ 7.7 RPG
Shaquille O'Neal- 12 PPG (57% FG)/ 6.7 RPG
Anderson Varejao- 8.6 PPG (57% FG)/ 7.6 RPG
Delonte West- 8.8 PPG/ 3 APG
Zydrunas Illgauskas- 7.4 PPG/ 5.4 RPG
Anthony Parker- 7.3 PPG (41% 3PT)
Boobie Gibson- 6.3 PPG (48% 3 PT)


'02-03 Spurs (60 Wins, Championship)
Tony Parker- 15.5 PPG/ 5.3 APG
Stephen Jackson- 11.8 PPG
Malik Rose- 10.4 PPG/ 6.7 RPG
David Robinson- 8.5 PPG/ 7.9 RPG
Manu Ginobli- 7.6 PPG

Who is seriously going to sit there and tell me that Timmy had a better supporting cast in '03 when he won his second ring than Bron in '10 when he abandoned his 61 win team?



Go ahead and show me the revenue LeBron is making for his team(s) outside of ticket sales as compared to Tim.
How about coaching? That cleveland list is deceptive. West and varejao were very good roleplayers but z, parker, shaq, jamison were all past their prime. Popovich and young parker alone is better than all of that. You are a bulls fan I presume? Jordan didnt win shit until he got phil and scottie. Same goes for every other great player. So why do you hold those cleveland teams against lebron?

[red1]

Tim Duncan never quit against the Lakers.. Lebron did against the Celtics, thats the difference.
He disappeared for one game. Wow. If you think he quit in game 6 then I don't know what to tell you.

[Rose'sACL]

How about coaching? That cleveland list is deceptive. West and varejao were very good roleplayers but z, parker, shaq, jamison were all past their prime. Popovich and young parker alone is better than all of that. You are a bulls fan I presume? Jordan didnt win shit until he got phil and scottie. Same goes for every other great player. So why do you hold those cleveland teams against lebron?
he is not a bulls fan. He has a big collection of Jordans in his basement and that is all you need to know about him.

[Trollsmasher]

Mo Williams:
08-09 against Orlando - 18,3 ppg on 37/38/85 - 50% TS
09-10 against Boston - 13,1 ppg on 40/21/85 - 52% TS

What an utterly fantastic 2nd option, Jordan would win at least 10 titles with this guy:bowdown:

Man, that guy was such a choker

[HoopsFanNumero1]

What was Jordan's record without Pippen again :oldlol:

[AirFederer]

Tim Dunacn

[DonDadda59]

How about coaching? That cleveland list is deceptive. West and varejao were very good roleplayers but z, parker, shaq, jamison were all past their prime. Popovich and young parker alone is better than all of that. You are a bulls fan I presume? Jordan didnt win shit until he got phil and scottie. Same goes for every other great player. So why do you hold those cleveland teams against lebron?

That's all and well, but would you say Tim Duncan's supporting squad in 2003 was better than LeBron James' supporting squad in 2010?

Of course you wouldn't, unless you were trolling.

[Trollsmasher]

What was Jordan's record without Pippen again :oldlol:
career losing record without Pip, over a sample of more than 300 games:lol

goat tho

[SCdac]

How about coaching? That cleveland list is deceptive. West and varejao were very good roleplayers but z, parker, shaq, jamison were all past their prime. Popovich and young parker alone is better than all of that. You are a bulls fan I presume? Jordan didnt win shit until he got phil and scottie. Same goes for every other great player. So why do you hold those cleveland teams against lebron?

It's ironic you say that because Parker was getting benched in 4th quarters for Speedy Claxton in the 2003 playoffs and shot .39 FG% in the Finals. Scored 14 ppg in the 05 Finals including an 8 point/.27 FG% game 7. Young Parker with a broken jump shot was certainly comparable to Mo Williams. As for coaching I agree Pop is the man. Every team needs help but Duncan was certainly a special player, top-10 out of thousands.

[sportjames23]

What was Jordan's record without Pippen again :oldlol:


What was Pippen's without Jordan again? :oldlol:

All I know is, MJ is 6 for 6 in the Finals.

What's Lebron's record in the Finals again? :oldlol:

[Black and White]

Duncan is better to build around, championships > MVPs and regular season success.

[Jameerthefear]

Duncan.

[sportjames23]

career losing record without Pip, over a sample of more than 300 games:lol

goat tho


Built Pippen up. Pippen didn't win shit after playing with MJ.

Consensus GOAT by anyone with basketball knowledge tho.

Lebron is what again? :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

Mo Williams:
08-09 against Orlando - 18,3 ppg on 37/38/85 - 50% TS
09-10 against Boston - 13,1 ppg on 40/21/85 - 52% TS

What an utterly fantastic 2nd option, Jordan would win at least 10 titles with this guy:bowdown:

Man, that guy was such a choker

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/2zoktxy.gif

Tony Parker in the '03 Playoffs

First Round vs PHX: 13.5 PPG .441% TS (Timmy: 19 PPG (52% FG)/ 16 RPG/ 5 APG/ 3.5 BPG)
2nd Round vs LA: 15 PPG .485% TS (Timmy: 28 PPG (53% FG)/ 12 RPG/ 5APG)
WCF vs DAL: 16 PPG .492% TS (Timmy: 28 PPG (57%FG)/ 17 RPG/ 6 APG/ 3 BPG)
Finals vs NJ: 14 PPG 45% TS (Timmy: 24 PPG (50%FG) / 17 RPG/ 5.3 APG/ 5.3 BPG)

Tim Duncan in '03 > LeBron's entire career.

Unless you're planning on engineering a scheme to get multiple franchise players & all stars on your squad, good luck keeping him around if you draft Bron.

[bdreason]

Timmy.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Jordan couldn't even get past the ECF until Pippen developed into a 20+ ppg scorer and a lockdown defender.

Timmy '03 > Jordan's whole career :bowdown:

[Uncle Drew]

How is this even a question? Lol @ pauk.

[DonDadda59]

Jordan couldn't even get past the ECF until Pippen developed into a 20+ ppg scorer and a lockdown defender.

Timmy '03 > Jordan's whole career :bowdown:

Salty :oldlol:

And your math is off.

Pippen in '91 (Bulls first ring): 17.8 PPG

But this is about Tim and Bron. Let's try to stay on topic, please :cheers:

[red1]

That's all and well, but would you say Tim Duncan's supporting squad in 2003 was better than LeBron James' supporting squad in 2010?

Of course you wouldn't, unless you were trolling.
Nope I wouldn't but the point Im making stands. Its not reasonable to hold it against a player for failing to win with a clearly inferior supporting cast. Duncan winning with that team is the exception and not the norm.


It's ironic you say that because Parker was getting benched in 4th quarters for Speedy Claxton in the 2003 playoffs and shot .39 FG% in the Finals. Scored 14 ppg in the 05 Finals including an 8 point/.27 FG% game 7. Young Parker with a broken jump shot was certainly comparable to Mo Williams. As for coaching I agree Pop is the man. Every team needs help but Duncan was certainly a special player, top-10 out of thousands.
That 03 championship is the closest thing to a one man championship team that you will find. Props to timmy. Definitely an amazing run and is the feather in his cap.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Salty :oldlol:

And your math is off.

Pippen in '91 (Bulls first ring): 17.8 PPG



I was only talking about the stats for ECF. As we can see in '91, it was only until Pippen took on more of a responsibility that the Bulls were able to get to the Finals.


But this is about Tim and Bron. Let's try to stay on topic, please :cheers:

It is on topic. Just giving credit to the GOAT Timmy :bowdown:

Imagine if he had Jordan's teammates his whole career :eek:

[DonDadda59]

Nope I wouldn't but the point Im making stands. Its not reasonable to hold it against a player for failing to win with a clearly inferior supporting cast. Duncan winning with that team is the exception and not the norm.

Exactly, which is why you take him in this scenario. Put him with any lineup and you get at least 50 wins as has been proven by his career. And I'm not 'holding it against' LeBron that he couldn't do what Duncan did in a tougher conference with an inferior squad. Just pointing it out for those who maybe didn't start watching basketball until after the Decision.

I have yet to see a sound argument from anyone in this thread for why a GM should take LeBron in this hypothetical. Just some nonsensical rambling from that lion essay dude and whining about Mo Williams outplaying second year Parker.


I was only talking about the stats for ECF. As we can see in '91, it was only until Pippen took on more of a responsibility that the Bulls were able to get to the Finals.

:durantunimpressed:

Speaking of the ECF... tell me all you know about Pippen's 'migraine' issues. Bulls could've possibly had 7 rings had it not been for that.

But seriously though. Not the time or place.

[red1]

Exactly, which is why you take him in this scenario. Put him with any lineup and you get at least 50 wins as has been proven by his career. And I'm not 'holding it against' LeBron that he couldn't do what Duncan did in a tougher conference with an inferior squad. Just pointing it out for those who maybe didn't start watching basketball until after the Decision.

I have yet to see a sound argument from anyone in this thread for why a GM should take LeBron in this hypothetical. Just some nonsensical rambling from that lion essay dude and whining about Mo Williams outplaying second year Parker.
I agree prime duncan in this league is the closest thing to guaranteed championships you will find. There are plenty of good reasons to take lebron though. If your priority is entertainment value or if you prefer to watch dominant wing-players over dominant bigs for example. You get one of the most dominant wing players of all time and one of the most marketable players of all time.

[Le Shaqtus]

Always choose the big man, Duncan.

[navy]

And the fact that a 37-year-old Duncan, a hobbled Tony Parker, and an awful Manu Ginobili took the LeBron-lead Heat to 7 games is probably the most embarrassing thing of all.



Tony Parker was only injured when Lebron was guarding lol. He was moving fine and scoring at will until they made the switch. That series went seven because of absolutely insane three point shooting and Popovich. Who is constantly underrated.

That's why I cant see how you guys constantly talk down the Spurs players, Popovich has clearly shown he can win games with and without Duncan. It would be nonsensical to ignore what he has shown he can do with so called scrubs.

[T_L_P]

Tony Parker was only injured when Lebron was guarding lol. He was moving fine and scoring at will until they made the switch. That series went seven because of absolutely insane three point shooting and Popovich. Who is constantly underrated.

That's why I cant see how you guys constantly talk down the Spurs players, Popovich has clearly shown he can win games with and without Duncan. It would be nonsensical to ignore what he has shown he can do with so called scrubs.

Again, winning Regular Season games and winning Playoff games are two different things entirely.

In 2000 the Spurs get knocked out in the first round (convincingly) with Duncan out. And since Duncan's decline (2008 onward) the Spurs haven't won a single championship. In fact, the closest they got was last year, and that was with Duncan turning back the clock and being arguably the best big man in the league.

[Odinn]

Tony Parker was only injured when Lebron was guarding lol. He was moving fine and scoring at will until they made the switch. That series went seven because of absolutely insane three point shooting and Popovich. Who is constantly underrated.

That's why I cant see how you guys constantly talk down the Spurs players, Popovich has clearly shown he can win games with and without Duncan. It would be nonsensical to ignore what he has shown he can do with so called scrubs.
There is a misconception of Popovich. Even his system and his 'turning scrubs into decent players' concept are isn't that good when it compared to hype.

He needs and uses certain type of players. But people are too busy with regular season W-L record.

But let's keep that up. After the offensive schemes are shifting to Parker leading the scoring (2010-11 and onwards);
2010-11; w/ TD 60-16 | w/o TD 1-5 *
2011-12; w/ TD 45-13 | w/o TD 5-3
2012-13; w/ TD 50-19 | w/o TD 8-5
2013-14; w/ TD 55-16 | w/o TD 5-1

*; Remember, 2010-11 was the Duncan's worst season. He had no mobility. And still the Spurs were 1-5 without him because Duncan was the only defensive force in 2010-11 season the Spurs had. No Leonard. No Green. Do not tell me that 'scrub-tale'. Popovich's system way too relies on perimeter defenders. It can be even compared to Duncan's overall defensive impact.

Overall; w/ TD 210-64 (63W pace) | w/o TD 19-14 (47W pace)


Popovich's entire career record (I exclude 17-47, they were tanking to get Duncan);
with Duncan; 897-354 in regular season | 132-79 in the playoffs
with/o Duncan; 51-39 in regular season | 1-4 in the playoffs



Duncan helped a lot Pop to build his legacy about coaching. And right now Pop is helping Duncan on TD's decline.
Overall, Duncan helped much more to Pop, when it comes to legacies / all-time talk.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Oh, this that gif you were looking for, Deuce? LOL, I forgot about this one. :oldlol:
Yup :rockon:

[aboss4real24]

Put Lb on those spurs teams

And Put TD On those Cavs Teams

Lebron would have the same amount of rings or more

Dont think TD Would get 1 or close to 1 wit that cavs squad

[JT123]

Put Lb on those spurs teams

And Put TD On those Cavs Teams

Lebron would have the same amount of rings or more

Dont think TD Would get 1 or close to 1 wit that cavs squad
You are bipolar dude. :lol Every other thread about Lebron you are always trashing him. :wtf:

[aboss4real24]

You are bipolar dude. :lol Every other thread about Lebron you are always trashing him. :wtf:


I Sed hes overrated , And i still say hes overrated

And isnt even the best player in the league nemore

That doesnt mean he still isnt great

Or hes trash

LB Stans jus get mad wen sum1 doesnt suk him off like they do

[BrownEye007]

Tony Parker was only injured when Lebron was guarding lol. He was moving fine and scoring at will until they made the switch. That series went seven because of absolutely insane three point shooting and Popovich. Who is constantly underrated.

That's why I cant see how you guys constantly talk down the Spurs players, Popovich has clearly shown he can win games with and without Duncan. It would be nonsensical to ignore what he has shown he can do with so called scrubs.
That series would have ended in 6 if the heat didn't get a lucky call towards the end of the game.

[Milbuck]

Hate to say it, but I honestly might pick Lebron. If this is a blind draft, obviously I'd take Duncan over traditional perimeter players like Jordan, Kobe, Wade, etc. But Lebron is something entirely different.

Scares the shit out of me imagining what Lebron could've achieved if he was drafted in Duncan's place.

[Smook A.]

Hate to say it, but I honestly might pick Lebron. If this is a blind draft, obviously I'd take Duncan over traditional perimeter players like Jordan, Kobe, Wade, etc. But Lebron is something entirely different.

Scares the shit out of me imagining what Lebron could've achieved if he was drafted in Duncan's place.
Off topic but thanks for nothing pulling a jameer on the avatar bet :applause:

[germanfellow]

as a franchise, I would rather have TD cause u dont have to be afraid all the time that he walks for reasons of building his legacy.
of course, cleveland was a totally different place from SA when bron left but not even miami can be too sure right now that he will finish his career with them. id rather have 15 years of TD than 4 of bron...

[VIntageNOvel]

I Sed hes overrated , And i still say hes overrated

And isnt even the best player in the league nemore

That doesnt mean he still isnt great

Or hes trash

LB Stans jus get mad wen sum1 doesnt suk him off like they do


ma nikka freshkid izat ya?

[Rocketswin2013]

Say what you want about either supporting cast......


But the 03' Spurs are not beating those Celtics......No chance...

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Hate to say it, but I honestly might pick Lebron. If this is a blind draft, obviously I'd take Duncan over traditional perimeter players like Jordan, Kobe, Wade, etc. But Lebron is something entirely different.

Scares the shit out of me imagining what Lebron could've achieved if he was drafted in Duncan's place.
imagine LeBron with an elite team from the get go and most important of all an elite Coach.
LeBron never had a great rim protector, good passing Pointguard or an elite coach so far in his career. not even a single season:biggums: :wtf:

[T_L_P]

imagine LeBron with an elite team from the get go and most important of all an elite Coach.
LeBron never had a great rim protector, good passing Pointguard or an elite coach so far in his career. not even a single season:biggums: :wtf:

Three years of Dwayne Wade, a former Finals MVP, and Chris Bosh, a former franchise player, and only two rings doe :confusedshrug:

[JohnFreeman]

That's a tough one. I would take Duncan, but I would take LeBrons prime (if that makes sense)

[aj1987]

Supporting Casts:

'09-'10 Cavaliers (61 wins, lost 2nd round before Bron abandoned them)

Mo Williams- 14.4 PPG (33% 3 PT)/ 5.4 APG
Antwan Jamison- 15.3 PPG/ 7.4 RPG on 54% TS
Shaquille O'Neal- 11.5 PPG (57% FG)/ 5.5 RPG
Anderson Varejao- 8.6 PPG (57% FG)/ 7.6 RPG
Delonte West- 6.7 PPG/ 2.6 APG on 50% TS
Zydrunas Illgauskas- 1.7 PPG/ 1.6 RPG
Anthony Parker- 8.3 PPG (44% 3PT)
Boobie Gibson- 1.4 PPG (25% 3PT )


'02-03 Spurs (60 Wins, Championship)
Tony Parker- 14.7 PPG/ 3.5 APG
Stephen Jackson- 12.8 PPG/ 4.1 RPG
Malik Rose- 9.3 PPG/ 5.8 RPG
David Robinson- 7.8 PPG/ 6.6 RPG
Manu Ginobli- 9.4 PPG/ 3.8 RPG/ 2.9 APG
Bruce Bowen- 6.9 PPG (on 44% 3 PT)/ 2.9 RPG

Who is seriously going to sit there and tell me that Timmy had a better supporting cast in '03 when he won his second ring than Bron in '10 when he abandoned his 61 win team?
Fixed to reflect the playoffs. Sure, the Cav's were better offensively, but look at the defense that the Spurs had. They were the 2nd best defensive team in the league and they had a DRtg of 97.7, and allowed their opponents to score only 89.3 PPG (mad props to Timmy for being the anchor). The Cav's were 6th defensively and had a DRtg of 106.8 and allowed their opponents to score 98.9 PPG.

The Spurs were a defensive juggernaut and the Cav's were absolutely terrible in the playoffs, defensively. Some of it has to do with Shaq being the starting center at 37 years old and playing 22 minutes. Jamison being the starting PF and playing 34 MPG, etc. etc. There was only so much LeBron could do. The Spurs had Bowen, Bowen, Jackson, Robinson, Rose, etc.

You ignored on the most important parts of basketball, with only your offensive numbers. Defense. Also, ****ing Popovich.

BTW, I never said that Duncan had better teammates. I just said that you shouldn't diminish LeBron's accomplishments with absolutely shitty teammates and potato head as his HC.



Go ahead and show me the revenue LeBron is making for his team(s) outside of ticket sales as compared to Tim.

[QUOTE]James has been invaluable to the Heat and the financial benefits to the team will greatly outweigh his current 6-year, $110 million Heat contract. The team

[deja vu]

LeBron is one of the most talented players in NBA history. Let's say I am a GM and I have the chance to pick either of the two as rookies (let's say I didn't know how their careers panned out yet), I would pick LeBron 10 times out of 10.

Heck I would've picked him over MJ (which is not a indictment of MJ because he didn't show GOAT potential before the draft). Only time I'd hesitate is if I have to choose either LeBron or Wilt.

LeBron is definitely a better player than Duncan but Timmy has the intangibles and mentality of an ultimate winner and franchise cornerstone. LeBron seems to be lacking that winning mentality and killer instinct but he has the talent to compensate for that weakness. You just can't deny someone with that talent from winning titles.

[TMT]

Tim would be way easier to build around, and in his prime is one of the most silently and dominantly effective two-way bigs ever. If 2003 proves anything, it's that Duncan can put a team on his back and take them the distance with limited help. Lebron for whatever remains in my mind one of the toughest players to build a team around in NBA history. He needs a very specific set of weapons around him to be successful.