Is Kobe's 05-06 season overrated?

[Jameerthefear]

35 on 27 FGA and 45%
good line good line...
but
AI and LBJ also had 30 ppg seasons as well with Arenas being just short..
could we dare say that LBJ in 05-06 > Kobe?

[LoneyROY7]

No.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Stick to watching hentai. This board doesn't need anymore redundant and garbage threads.

[christian1923]

No.

[Genaro]

Why aren't you perma banned? That's a better question.

[The-Legend-24]

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[buddha]

No.

[aboss4real24]

Beside the fact that ur trolling

yes Lebrons year was better than kobe that year

That was actually the year Lebron surpassed kb talent wise as a player

[JT123]

Of course it's overrated. All of Kobe's scoring records are overrated. Let guys like Prime Tmac, Lebron, or Melo shoot the ball as much as Kobe did that year and they would score the same amount of points if not more. What makes that season the most overrated is that it culminated in Kobe quitting on his team in a game 7 after choking away a 3-1 series lead. :facepalm

[Jameerthefear]

Can an intelligent poster please debate my point?

[Jameerthefear]

Of course it's overrated. All of Kobe's scoring records are overrated. Let guys like Prime Tmac, Lebron, or Melo shoot the ball as much as Kobe did that year and they would score the same amount of points if not more. What makes that season the most overrated is that it culminated in Kobe quitting on his team in a game 7 after choking away a 3-1 series lead. :facepalm
Good point. Kobe shot four more times per game than Lebron

[DMAVS41]

Yes...

[red1]

:oldlol:

[Warfan]

He was underwhelming in the playoffs, the most important part of the season...

[coin24]

Reported for blasphemy

[Deuce Bigalow]

No.

[DFish24]

Nope.

[Heavincent]

No.

[magnax1]

No. Kobe carried a shit team to 45 wins. Lebron played bad defense, and his stats were better than his actual play.
This is why you always get banned jam jam. Quit trolling. Its not even good trolling.

[HOoopCityJones]

Heeeeeeelllll Naw!

[Deuce Bigalow]

He was underwhelming in the playoffs, the most important part of the season...
His ppg playoff drop was Chamberlainesque to say the least.

[Jameerthefear]

No. Kobe carried a shit team to 45 wins. Lebron played bad defense, and his stats were better than his actual play.
This is why you always get banned jam jam. Quit trolling. Its not even good trolling.
I'm not trolling. Bringing up a legitimate point. Nobody has even debated anything on the Kobe stan side. Just said no and attacked me because I didn't suck the dick of their idol.

[coin24]

I'm not trolling. Bringing up a legitimate point. Nobody has even debated anything on the Kobe stan side. Just said no and attacked me because I didn't suck the dick of their idol.

Stick to sucking your dads

[Miller for 3]

Reported for being retawted

[magnax1]

I'm not trolling. Bringing up a legitimate point. Nobody has even debated anything on the Kobe stan side. Just said no and attacked me because I didn't suck the dick of their idol.
Well I just told you why its not close. Wade vs Kobe was much closer back then.

[tpols]

35/5/5 averages
44 ppg month
27 40 point games
7 50 point games
81 points (second highest all time)
6th most points in a season ever(other 5 spots are all Wilt/MJ)


went out bad in the playoffs but his team was a 7 seed, he averaged 28/5/5 with a 50 point game and a GW.

[YouGotServed]

Quality thread, 5*'d, will read again. :applause:

[DonDadda59]

Yes, definitely overrated. Still great though. And I know, I know here comes Dadda the Bean hater blah blah blah. But look at the facts before you crucify me, stans:

2004-05 NBA Scoring Leaders
1) Allen Iverson 30.1
2) Kobe Bryant 27.6
3) LeBron James 27.2
4) Dirk Nowitzki 26.1
5) Amar'e Stoudemire 26

[B][COLOR="Red"]2004-05

[Deuce Bigalow]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Yes, definitely overrated. Still great though. And I know, I know here comes Dadda the Bean hater blah blah blah. But look at the facts before you crucify me, stans:

2004-05 NBA Scoring Leaders
1) Allen Iverson 30.1
2) Kobe Bryant 27.6
3) LeBron James 27.2
4) Dirk Nowitzki 26.1
5) Amar'e Stoudemire 26

[B][COLOR="Red"]2004-05

[fpliii]

I was more of a fan of 06-07 tbh. :confusedshrug:

[ThePhantomCreep]

He's had better seasons.

[DonDadda59]

06-07 doesn't look any different than 04-05

2006-07 scoring leaders
1. Kobe Bryant-LAL 31.6
2. Carmelo Anthony-DEN 28.9
3. Gilbert Arenas-WAS 28.4
4. LeBron James-CLE 27.3
5. Michael Redd-MIL 26.7

04-05 there were 2 PFs in the top 5. But you are correct in that the officiating in '06-'07 calmed down after the first season the rules were implemented to a ridiculous agree. Let's not forget what happened in the finals:


For the series, Wade averaged 34.7 points, 7.8 rebounds, 3.8 assists and 2.7 steals -- and this in a slow-paced series (neither team cleared the century mark in regulation in any of the six games). His basket attacks were so deadly because the Mavs couldn't stop fouling him. Wade shot a whopping 97 free throws in the six games -- the most of any player since the merger -- including 25 in Game 5.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/page/FinalsPerformances-1/greatest-finals-performances-no-1

I want everyone reading this to stop and seriously think about this for a minute- the 7'1" 325+ lb Shaq, who was so dominant in his prime that teams employed the Hack-a-Shaq strategy, does not hold the record for most FTs in a finals. That record belongs to his then teammate- the 6'4 Wade.

Just think about that...

[Cold soul]

Nope, not at all.

[LAZERUSS]

You would be hard-pressed to find another "GOAT" with a worse supporting cast (maybe Wilt's 62-63 Warriors)...

He did about as much as anyone could have with that POS roster.

[tpols]

Yes, definitely overrated. Still great though. And I know, I know here comes Dadda the Bean hater blah blah blah. But look at the facts before you crucify me, stans:

2004-05 NBA Scoring Leaders
1) Allen Iverson 30.1
2) Kobe Bryant 27.6
3) LeBron James 27.2
4) Dirk Nowitzki 26.1
5) Amar'e Stoudemire 26

2004-05
• New rules were introduced to curtail hand-checking, clarify blocking fouls and call defensive three seconds to open up the game.

2005-06 NBA Scoring Leaders
1) Kobe Bryant 35.4
2) Allen Iverson 33
3) LeBron James 31
4) Gilbert Arenas 29.3
5) Dwayne Wade 27.2

Bean's scoring (as well as other perimeter players) was a product of the NBA going overboard with the rule changes.

Kobe's FT shooting in his prime

01-05
21 FGA and 8.5 FTs = 2.5 shots per FT attempt

06
27 FGA and 10.2 FTs = 2.7 shots per FT attempt

07-10
21 FGA and 8.3 FTs = 2.5 shots per FT attempt


Refs may have been calling games tighter, but relative to the amount of shots he was taking, Kobe got LESS free throws in 2006 than he did for the beginning and end of his prime.

[magnax1]

04-05 there were 2 PFs in the top 5. But you are correct in that the officiating in '06-'07 calmed down after the first season the rules were implemented to a ridiculous agree. Let's not forget what happened in the finals:


For the series, Wade averaged 34.7 points, 7.8 rebounds, 3.8 assists and 2.7 steals -- and this in a slow-paced series (neither team cleared the century mark in regulation in any of the six games). His basket attacks were so deadly because the Mavs couldn't stop fouling him. Wade shot a whopping 97 free throws in the six games -- the most of any player since the merger -- including 25 in Game 5.

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/page/FinalsPerformances-1/greatest-finals-performances-no-1

I want everyone reading this to stop and seriously think about this for a minute- the 7'1" 325+ lb Shaq, who was so dominant in his prime that teams employed the Hack-a-Shaq strategy, does not hold the record for most FTs in a finals. That record belongs to his then teammate- the 6'4 Wade.

Just think about that...
Wade shot a shit ton of free throws because the Mavs let him in the paint every play. If they played a different team with another all time great slasher that guy would probably have the record.

[DonDadda59]

Kobe's FT shooting in his prime

01-05
21 FGA and 8.5 FTs = 2.5 shots per FT attempt

06
27 FGA and 10.2 FTs = 2.7 shots per FT attempt

07-10
21 FGA and 8.3 FTs = 2.5 shots per FT attempt


Refs may have been calling games tighter, but relative to the amount of shots he was taking, Kobe got LESS free throws in 2006 than he did for the beginning and end of his prime.



The funny thing is you highlight 05 to 06 as some major transition period where Kobe was afforded more whistles.. but he got the same amount of FTs per game in 05 as he did in 06 except on 7 less shots. :oldlol:

The rule changes weren't just about FTs brah. Handchecking was outlawed and the 3 second rule was instituted. That gave perimeter players unprecedented freedom and ability to get off shots/drive to the basket. The scoring explosion reflects that. No way you could argue against that with a straight face. Unless of course you believe a bunch of perimeter guys all magically had career scoring years the same season which by pure coincidence happened after the league made these rules changes in the summer. :oldlol:

Compare game footage from the '04 finals (one of the main catalysts for the rule changes being Bean's performance) where Kobe put up 22.6 PPG (38% FG) to the 06 ECF against the same squad when Wade put up 26.7 PPG (62% FG).

This was a top 5 Defense in '06 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDdlEFMIA5Y) :biggums:

[tpols]

The rule changes weren't just about FTs brah. Handchecking was outlawed and the 3 second rule was instituted. That gave perimeter players unprecedented freedom and ability to get off shots/drive to the basket. The scoring explosion reflects that. No way you could argue against that with a straight face. Unless of course you believe a bunch of perimeter guys all magically had career scoring years the same season which by pure coincidence happened after the league made these rules changes in the summer. :oldlol:

Compare game footage from the '04 finals (one of the main catalysts for the rule changes being Bean's performance) where Kobe put up 22.6 PPG (38% FG) to the 06 ECF against the same squad when Wade put up 26.7 PPG (62% FG).

This was a top 5 Defense in '06 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDdlEFMIA5Y) :biggums:

Kobe was still leading the league in scoring despite a bunch of players going off though.. and he scored the most points in the league the next year.. and the next year. So I dont see how leading the NBA in scoring during years where there was a tough race would be better than say now where the second leading scorer is Carmelo Anthony at 27.5 ppg. If anything its easier to lead the league now then it was then

[ImKobe]

81 points you should try it

[sportjames23]

You would be hard-pressed to find another "GOAT" with a worse supporting cast (maybe Wilt's 62-63 Warriors)...

He did about as much as anyone could have with that POS roster.


I hear tale that Lebron's 2007 cast and Duncan's 2003 cast were worse. That's what I hear.

[Artillery]

Overrated especially considering his disappointing post-season against a weak Suns team.

[HomieWeMajor]

It was just a standard "pad your stats on a poor team " season that most top 10 players have had in their career. Nuttin moe nuttin less

[ImKobe]

Overrated especially considering his disappointing post-season against a weak Suns team.

50 points 8 rebounds 5 assists in a game, where his teammates completely shat the bed at the end, when they left Nash wide open in the corner and Tim Thomas wide open from the top of the key after Nash bricked his three.

The Suns team made it to the WCF & Took the Mavs to 6 games. I wouldn't call that a weak team.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Jordan mythologists talking about rule changes when the league went from insanely inefficient scoring leaguewide to simply innefficient scoring leaguewide.

How does 05 scoring compare to average "prime" Jordan seasons leaguewide?

[Trollsmasher]

Not as much as this year's Durant

[sammichoffate]

http://threadbombing.com/data/media/2/kobe.gif

[jstern]

It's just the rule changes. Iverson was averaging 33 points per game.

[jstern]

Kobe's FT shooting in his prime

01-05
21 FGA and 8.5 FTs = 2.5 shots per FT attempt

06
27 FGA and 10.2 FTs = 2.7 shots per FT attempt

07-10
21 FGA and 8.3 FTs = 2.5 shots per FT attempt


Refs may have been calling games tighter, but relative to the amount of shots he was taking, Kobe got LESS free throws in 2006 than he did for the beginning and end of his prime.

The biggest change that a tighter called game would do is not just cause more free throw, but create less tighter defense. (And more flopping league wide.)

[Element]

Rule changes? :lol

71% of his shots were jumpers. 53% of his shots were taken from 16-23ft and beyond. His free-throw rate did not increase even a tiny bit.

idiots exposed, i'd say?:coleman:

[Johnny Jones]

Not as overrated as Dwight's 10/11 season

[jstern]

Kobe was still leading the league in scoring despite a bunch of players going off though.. and he scored the most points in the league the next year.. and the next year. So I dont see how leading the NBA in scoring during years where there was a tough race would be better than say now where the second leading scorer is Carmelo Anthony at 27.5 ppg. If anything its easier to lead the league now then it was then

That's because he was the best scorer in the game. The reason why so many say his scoring was overrated is because he would have led the league without the rule changes, but not at 35 ppg. So look at it more as his scoring being overrated in a historical sense.

[riseagainst]

Rule changes? :lol

71% of his shots were jumpers. 53% of his shots were taken from 16-23ft and beyond. His free-throw rate did not increase even a tiny bit.

idiots exposed, i'd say?:coleman:

this should shut this thread down.

/ether.

[AlphaWolf24]

GOAT Offensive season ( excluding Wilt dunking over small white dudes) and easily the GOAT aesthetically offensive season ....Overrated?


that season was fun as H3LL....every game was must watch TV....

seriously...if he didn't get 40 - 50 pts it was like..."what's wrong with Kobe?..he only had 39 pts tonight"


My words to the young heads out there......"Kobe's 06' season is a must watch.

The best offensive Skillset to pattern your game......I know KD/LBJ watched and learned.....so should you"

[Marlo_Stanfield]

its the second most overrated scoring season in NBA history right after Durants 2013-14 season who is comfortably ahead in this category

[T_L_P]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/usg_pct_season.html

[game3524]

Of course it's overrated. All of Kobe's scoring records are overrated. Let guys like Prime Tmac, Lebron, or Melo shoot the ball as much as Kobe did that year and they would score the same amount of points if not more. What makes that season the most overrated is that it culminated in Kobe quitting on his team in a game 7 after choking away a 3-1 series lead. :facepalm

Are people this stupid? Basketball doesn't work like that.

I am 100% sure if you gave Melo, McGrady, and Lebron(especially Lebron), they wouldn't average 35 ppg. And that because they aren't nearly as good as Kobe as a shot creator. On top of that none of those guys can binge score like Kobe could, the only guy close to him in that regard was Allen Iverson.

[T_L_P]

GOAT Offensive season


Jordan had multiple better "Offensive" seasons.

37.1 PPG / 4.6 APG / .562 TS%
35.0 PPG / 5.9 APG / .603 TS%

Just because Kobe had a certain month of 40+ points games, it doesn't mean it's better than a consistent season ala the numbers listed above.

[DonDadda59]

Jordan mythologists talking about rule changes when the league went from insanely inefficient scoring leaguewide to simply innefficient scoring leaguewide.

How does 05 scoring compare to average "prime" Jordan seasons leaguewide?

In Jordan's "prime", the top 5 scoring featured mainly big men (Malone, Shaq, Ewing, Barkley, etc) or at the least SFs like Dominique/Bird. In fact, the season where Jordan led the Bulls to an NBA record 72 wins looked like this:

1) Michael Jordan 30.4
2) Hakeem Olajuwon 26.9
3) Shaquille O'Neal 26.6
4) Karl Malone 25.7
5) David Robinson 25

Jordan's highest PPG season:

'86-'87: 37.1 PPG, #2 Scorer in the league: Dominique Wilkins 29 PPG


Kobe's highest PPG season:

'05-'06: 35 PPG, #2 Scorer in the league: Allen Iverson 33 PPG

No one was within a country mile of Jordan during his best scoring seasons, he was an anomaly. That was made even more apparent when he was in his prime, winning ring after ring and scoring title after scoring title. Look at who was winning scoring titles, MVPs, championships when he retired the first time. He dominated an era where big men ruled and where some of the greatest, most dominant bigs played.

Kobe on the other hand was just a part of the trend. A product of the league desperately trying to manufacture 'next Jordans'. For all the hilarious talk about players being bigger, stronger, more athletic in the 8 years between Jordan's last title and 'advanced' defenses (:lol ) cropping up... the 5'11" 165 lb Iverson was right there with Bean putting up 33 PPG on the same efficiency. How you clowns ever thought you could get away with that shit is beyond me :oldlol:

[game3524]

Jordan had multiple better "Offensive" seasons.

37.1 PPG / 4.6 APG / .562 TS%
35.0 PPG / 5.9 APG / .603 TS%

Just because Kobe had a certain month of 40+ points games, it doesn't mean it's better than a consistent season ala the numbers listed above.

No, Kobe's 2006 is more impressive then Jordan's mid-80's seasons when it comes to scoring. League pace was much higher in the mid-80's then it was in the 2000's.

[T_L_P]

No, Kobe's 2006 is more impressive then Jordan's mid-80's seasons when it comes to scoring. League pace was much higher in the mid-80's then it was in the 2000's.

Scoring, perhaps (although Jordan did it on better efficiency), but not overall offense, like the guy above was saying.

[DonDadda59]

No, Kobe's 2006 is more impressive then Jordan's mid-80's seasons when it comes to scoring. League pace was much higher in the mid-80's then it was in the 2000's.

When Jordan scored 37 and 35 PPG, the Bulls played at the same pace as the Thunder are playing this season. The league as a whole may have played at higher paces, but the Bulls played at the slowest pace in the league in both seasons. And Jordan's efficiency>Bean. Plus Jordan didn't have the benefit of the league making it impossible for teams to defend against him. If Jordan was getting the same FTr as a Wade or Durant and no one could physically impede his drives to the basket, he would've had multiple 40 PPG seasons. And that is not an exaggeration.

Kobe playing under similar rules as Jordan put up James Harden lite #s

[AlphaWolf24]

Scoring, perhaps (although Jordan did it on better efficiency), but not overall offense, like the guy above was saying.

IMO Kobe's was better in the simple fact He scored in much more way's , Kobe had More weapons then Young MJ.( MJ was getting Grip loads of points finishing around the Rim after attacking OTD)


also count the fact of( like a poster above said) factoring in the era's and the 80's era of defense....there were so many wing players scoring 25ppg on 50% with weaker skillsets then modern players.

efficiency does play a very small part I guess....but looking at the picture in context with everything....IMO Kobe's season was a better season, offensively speaking.

My opinions only

[Himan12]

Another kobe thread...

The obsession with kobe is so ridiculous.

[Eye Test]

someone pull the plug on this kids internet pls

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[Mr. Jabbar]

oh, they lifted my arbitrary ban, cool

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