Is Pau a top 5 PF from 2000-2010? [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Milbuck

04-09-2014, 10:01 PM

no one here followed his memphis career. anyone who says they did is a baby dick liar
I have a baby dick and I've been known to stretch the truth, does that mean I followed his Memphis career?

sammichoffate

04-09-2014, 10:02 PM

So ring argument is invalid due to Kobe I presume?

SpecialQue

04-09-2014, 10:08 PM

Duncan
Dirk
Garnett

Then you have Amare, Webber and Jermaine Oneal(who was an absolute beast w/ indy) to battle it out with pau..

Good top three. I'd put Pau behind KG due to the rings.

secund2nun

04-09-2014, 10:10 PM

Easily top 5.

Only Duncan, KG, Dirk, and Webber were better. Aside from those 4 guys there wasn't a better PF than Gasol that decade.

christian1923

04-09-2014, 10:37 PM

Duncan
Kg
Dirk
Webber
Amare

All of those guys were better

AintNoSunshine

04-09-2014, 10:41 PM

Only ungrateful Kobe cokksuckers will deny that

DMAVS41

04-09-2014, 11:07 PM

yes...

I actually thought at his peak in 2010 he was a better player than any other pf at the time....including Dirk.

sammichoffate

04-09-2014, 11:11 PM

yes...

I actually thought at his peak in 2010 he was a better player than any other pf at the time....including Dirk.:eek: THAT's saying something considering it's you

AnaheimLakers24

04-09-2014, 11:12 PM

peak was 09.

ZMonkey11

04-09-2014, 11:14 PM

yes...

I actually thought at his peak in 2010 he was a better player than any other pf at the time....including Dirk.

Yea, there was that debate for a while in which Big Man would you take, Pau or Dirk. I told my Mavs friend I'd take Pau all day due to the complete skillset.

Then Dirk goes and wins a championship in epic fashion.

DMAVS41

04-09-2014, 11:23 PM

:eek: THAT's saying something considering it's you

People will say it because I'm a supposed Kobe hater, but I just thought Gasol put it all together in 10. He had a confidence in him after winning the title in my opinion and thought his defense was better (could have been a product of time, but still)

Then just thought he was a beast in the playoffs.

Thought Dirk seemed a little distracted in 10 at times...you could tell he was frustrated with perhaps playing the best series of his career in 09 and still losing in 5.

Dirk picked it up though after the all-star break, but still hard not to give Gasol the nod in 10...

Obviously being the man on a worse team is harder...not really accounting much for that.

SamuraiSWISH

04-09-2014, 11:29 PM

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sammichoffate

04-09-2014, 11:31 PM

People will say it because I'm a supposed Kobe hater, but I just thought Gasol put it all together in 10. He had a confidence in him after winning the title in my opinion and thought his defense was better (could have been a product of time, but still)

Then just thought he was a beast in the playoffs.

Thought Dirk seemed a little distracted in 10 at times...you could tell he was frustrated with perhaps playing the best series of his career in 09 and still losing in 5.

Dirk picked it up though after the all-star break, but still hard not to give Gasol the nod in 10...

Obviously being the man on a worse team is harder...not really accounting much for that.Just surprised considering how you've criticized Kobe in the past. Yeah Pau averaged 18/11 that season, and was monstrous in the playoffs.

DMAVS41

04-09-2014, 11:36 PM

Just surprised considering how you've criticized Kobe in the past. Yeah Pau averaged 18/11 that season, and was monstrous in the playoffs.

Why? People accused me of propping up Gasol to diminish Kobe.

Me saying Gasol might have been better than Dirk in 10 goes along with that.

That isn't why I said it, but that is what people can logically conclude...

sammichoffate

04-09-2014, 11:40 PM

Why? People accused me of propping up Gasol to diminish Kobe.

Me saying Gasol might have been better than Dirk in 10 goes along with that.

That isn't why I said it, but that is what people can logically conclude...Some people can't admit that their favorite player was worse than another a certain year. I mis worded it :lol

christian1923

04-09-2014, 11:43 PM

Why? People accused me of propping up Gasol to diminish Kobe.

Me saying Gasol might have been better than Dirk in 10 goes along with that.

That isn't why I said it, but that is what people can logically conclude...
Better than amare in 10? I remember amare destroying the lakers front court in those WCF

Droid101

04-09-2014, 11:44 PM

:eek: THAT's saying something considering it's you
I think he sold his account.

L.Kizzle

04-10-2014, 12:05 AM

1 Duncan
2 Garnett
3 Dirk
4 Webber

5 spot is a battle between Pau, Sheed, J.O., A'mare, Bosh an ELTON BRAND (remember him?) Can't go wrong with either.

AussieG

04-10-2014, 12:06 AM

no one here followed his memphis career. anyone who says they did is a baby dick liar
I did since 2003 but doesn't mean I want to discuss or think indepth about it.

It's not exactly a discussion.. more like a bunch of BS from a bunch of people who have agendas flying left right and center.

DMAVS41

04-10-2014, 12:49 AM

Better than amare in 10? I remember amare destroying the lakers front court in those WCF

oh...yes...i definitely thought Pau was better than Amare in 10.

houston

04-10-2014, 03:53 AM

nay indeed

ImKobe

04-10-2014, 04:13 AM

I think he's the 5th best PF.

WillC

04-10-2014, 04:38 AM

Top PFs from 2000-2010 based upon win shares:

1) Dirk Nowitzki 141
2) Tim Duncan 128
3) Kevin Garnett 128
4) Pau Gasol 83
5) Elton Brand 79
6) Antawn Jamison 74
7) Rasheed Wallace 74
8) Amare Stoudemire 68
9) Chris Bosh 62
10) Carlos Boozer 56

So yes, I'd say Gasol is definitely a top 5 PF from 2000-2010.

TheMilkyBarKid

04-10-2014, 05:52 AM

Amare barely getting any love and people here obviously didn't see Jermain O'Neal back in 2004 or he'd be getting more mentions. Definitely top 10.

iznogood

04-10-2014, 06:19 AM

I'd say he definitely is.

Collie

04-10-2014, 08:53 AM

Random_Guy

04-10-2014, 09:50 AM

I have a baby dick too :cry:
Baby ***** getting exposed left and right

Dro

04-10-2014, 09:53 AM

Definitely. Only TD, Dirk and KG were better. Webber was better at his peak, but he only had 5 or so good years in the 00's. Rasheed, JO were good, but they didn't have the offensive efficiency and repertoire of Pau. Neither were also the rebounder Pau was in his LAL days. Amare was a better scorer, but played only one side of the court most times.
I agree with this...Pau was a much more reliable scorer than JO and Sheed....

WillC

04-10-2014, 10:08 AM

sbw19

04-10-2014, 10:20 AM

#5

Duncan KG Dirk Webber Gasol

sundizz

04-10-2014, 11:08 AM

All-NBA teams (99-00 to 09-10)
1st team: 10 points
2nd team: 7 points
3rd team: 5 points
Championships as either alpha or superstar production levels:
10 points with a bonus 5 if FMVP

1. Duncan: 151 points
1st team (7), 2nd team (3), 3rd team (1)
99 (15), 03 (15), 05 (15), 07 (10)

2. KG: 86 points
1st team (5), 2nd team (3), 3rd team (1)
08 (10)

3. Dirk: 78 points
1st team (4), 2nd team (4), 3rd team (2)

4. Amare: 31 points
1st team (1), 2nd team (3), 3rd team (0)

5. Gasol: 30 points
1st team (0), 2nd team (0), 3rd team (2)
09 (10), 10 (10)

Webber: 1st team (1), 2nd team (2), 3rd team (1) – 29 points
Jermaine: 1st team (0), 2nd team (1), 3rd team (2) – 20 points
Malone: 1st team (0), 2nd team (1), 3rd team (1) – 15 points
Marion: 1st team (0), 2nd team (0), 3rd team (2) – 10 points
Bosh: 2nd team (1) - 7 points
Brand: 2nd team (1) - 7 points
Boozer: 3rd team (1) - 5 points

TheMarkMadsen

04-10-2014, 11:16 AM

Duncan
KG
Dirk
Sheed
Webber
Amare
Pau

Marlo_Stanfield

04-10-2014, 11:18 AM

Dirk Duncan and Garnett were the only better ones.
in 2009-2010 he was even better than Dirk and Garnett:bowdown: :bowdown:

T_L_P

04-10-2014, 11:46 AM

[QUOTE=sundizz]All-NBA teams (99-00 to 09-10)
1st team: 10 points
2nd team: 7 points
3rd team: 5 points
Championships as either alpha or superstar production levels:
10 points with a bonus 5 if FMVP

1. Duncan: 141 points
1st team (7), 2nd team (3), 3rd team (1)
99 (15), 03 (15), 05 (15)

2. KG: 86 points
1st team (5), 2nd team (3), 3rd team (1)
08 (10)

3. Dirk: 78 points
1st team (4), 2nd team (4), 3rd team (2)

4. Amare: 31 points
1st team (1), 2nd team (3), 3rd team (0)

5. Gasol: 30 points
1st team (0), 2nd team (0), 3rd team (2)
09 (10), 10 (10)

Webber: 1st team (1), 2nd team (2), 3rd team (1)

sundizz

04-10-2014, 11:56 AM

Where's Duncan plus 10 for '07? He was clearly the best player on that Spurs team, and his production was better than some of those that you gave 10 points to (09 Gasol, for one).

Yep, you are right. Forgot about that one. I'll update the post.

kshutts1

04-10-2014, 11:57 AM

Not enough people are mentioning Brand. His worst pre-injury season was 18/11/2.5. He has a strong argument for 4th.

5th is between Webber, Pau, JO, Amare, Antoine Walker and Bosh.

Of them all, Amare and Pau had more (quantity) productive years, while Bosh, Walker, Webber and JO had better years, but less of them. Take your pick.

My pick is Amare as the fifth.

Edit: I guess Jamison deserves a mention, but his only case is longevity... I don't think he ever had a season where he was better than Pau. And his longevity, in the decade in question, is not greater than Pau's either.

MMM

04-10-2014, 12:04 PM

Definitely. Only TD, Dirk and KG were better. Webber was better at his peak, but he only had 5 or so good years in the 00's. Rasheed, JO were good, but they didn't have the offensive efficiency and repertoire of Pau. Neither were also the rebounder Pau was in his LAL days. Amare was a better scorer, but played only one side of the court most times.

Are we really going to ignore JO and Sheed's defensive impact. Both were among the elite defensive bigs of their era. Mid 2000 Pistons and Pacers were some the best defensive teams over the last decade.

mr.big35

04-10-2014, 12:08 PM

Are we really going to ignore JO and Sheed's defensive impact. Both were among the elite defensive bigs of their era. Mid 2000 Pistons and Pacers were some the best defensive teams over the last decade.

Rasheed wallace one of the most forgotten players. no one discuss about him in ISH why is that.

kshutts1

04-10-2014, 12:16 PM

Rasheed wallace one of the most forgotten players. no one discuss about him in ISH why is that.

Rasheed is one of the leading examples of "never even scratched the surface of his potential". Other than that.. not much worth mentioning, honestly. He always had a terrible reputation, and the only years when he was viewed as a guaranteed net positive were when he was on the Pistons title teams. Even in Portland, when he was arguably the go-to player, his hothead-edness got in the way, and he got more notoriety for his Ts than for his play.

Marlo_Stanfield

04-10-2014, 12:18 PM

Amare over Pau, now i

sundizz

04-10-2014, 12:18 PM

Rasheed wallace one of the most forgotten players. no one discuss about him in ISH why is that.

Such nostalgia glasses. There are 5 better pf's than a prime Sheed just this year alone.

That guy never dropped 20 a game, never bounded over 8.5 a game, never dimed over 3 a game, and never blocked over 1.8 a game. Pretty weak all around for a "top 5" pf of the 00's argument I'd say.

One semi great year where he wins a ring isn't enough to make any sort of case for him. Honestly, he was a great one on one defender but his offensive impact was negative at best. The year they won the ring he was a super chucker putting up 13.4 ppg on 41% fg and 24% tres (and he took 3.1 tres a game for some reason). As a pf for the champ run he only got to the line 2.7 times a game. Weak.

kshutts1

04-10-2014, 12:22 PM

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]Amare over Pau, now i

TheMarkMadsen

04-10-2014, 12:23 PM

Rasheed wallace one of the most forgotten players. no one discuss about him in ISH why is that.

Not alot of ISH saw him play..

But Sheed was a great player, and if it wasn't for WCF game 7 in 2000, he's prolly be a 2x champ

Sheed was a huge difference maker.

TheMarkMadsen

04-10-2014, 12:54 PM

...What was Pau before he was gift-wrapped to the Lakers, in the midst of Kobe's prime? Not hating on the dude, cuz he was a very good player before then. Just was not viewed the same as he is now, AT ALL. Those championship runs altered everyone's view of Pau so dramatically, while Amare, after the 2010 year in question mind you, went the other way, and thus our perception has gone the other way.

Exactly

Pau made the allstar game one time before joining the lakers..

Solefade

04-10-2014, 01:00 PM

...What was Pau before he was gift-wrapped to the Lakers, in the midst of Kobe's prime? Not hating on the dude, cuz he was a very good player before then. Just was not viewed the same as he is now, AT ALL. Those championship runs altered everyone's view of Pau so dramatically, while Amare, after the 2010 year in question mind you, went the other way, and thus our perception has gone the other way.

lol you can say the same for kobe between the shaq and pau era :confusedshrug:

christian1923

04-10-2014, 01:03 PM

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]Amare over Pau, now i

kshutts1

04-10-2014, 01:04 PM

lol you can say the same for kobe between the shaq and pau era :confusedshrug:
No, you can't.

Between those "eras" everyone viewed Kobe as EXACTLY what he is. A risk to win any game, any time... but certainly not playing the "right" way. An all-time great whose only threat was himself.

There aren't many players that couple just about single-handedly win a series. A game? Yes. But not a series. Kobe was one of them.

Kobe certainly has his flaws, and they are pretty glaring, and he's not Jordan.... but from '04-'12 or so, just having him on the court meant the Lakers had a legit shot to win any game, or any series, at any time.

TheMarkMadsen

04-10-2014, 01:04 PM

lol you can say the same for kobe between the shaq and pau era :confusedshrug:

Except for the fact that Kobe was a multiple all nba player for years, MVP candidate, 3x champion with 2 championship runs averaging 27+ 5+ 5+..

Don't be stupid

Solefade

04-10-2014, 01:05 PM

No, you can't.

Between those "eras" everyone viewed Kobe as EXACTLY what he is. A risk to win any game, any time... but certainly not playing the "right" way. An all-time great whose only threat was himself.

There aren't many players that couple just about single-handedly win a series. A game? Yes. But not a series. Kobe was one of them.

Kobe certainly has his flaws, and they are pretty glaring, and he's not Jordan.... but from '04-'12 or so, just having him on the court meant the Lakers had a legit shot to win any game, or any series, at any time.

what series did kobe win without shaq/pau?

TheMarkMadsen

04-10-2014, 01:07 PM

what series did kobe win without shaq/pau?

Why do you have to use two different players :roll:

Get Kobe off your brain.. This thread isn't about him and nobody brought him up until you

kshutts1

04-10-2014, 01:09 PM

what series did kobe win without shaq/pau?

I don't know that he did. I'm not a kobe historian. Doesn't mean he was not a threat to do it.

Hamtaro CP3KDKG

04-10-2014, 02:31 PM

what series did kobe win without shaq/pau?
what a stupid point:roll: :roll: :roll: he always played much better teams in playoff if he didnt have Shaq or Pau since he had sht cast and they finished low seed.
How many playoff GAMES did Pau win w/o Kobe???

0:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Kobe singlehandedly changed Paus career from a choking loser to a HOF champion:applause: :applause:

L.A. Jazz

04-10-2014, 03:02 PM

i see him top 5 in 2005-2011

TheMarkMadsen

04-10-2014, 04:03 PM

i see him top 5 in 2005-2011

Amare, Bosh, Duncan, Dirk & KG were all better from that span

then you have your 05+ version Jermaine O Neals, Pau Gasol's. Antwawn Jaminson, 05+version of Sheed.. basically the guys that made a few all star teams during that time

then you had years where guys like David West & Mehmet Okur making all star teams over Pau some years..

houston

04-10-2014, 04:49 PM

Amare,Webber,Garnett,J. O'neal, Duncan, Ben Wallace,Dirk etc.

Man Pau was just 1 x all-star before he got with Kobe. thats it never won a playoff game without kobe.