Does anyone still believe that this Heat team is stacked?

[livinglegend]

...?

[All Net]

Not with Bosh and Wade on this form. Their role players are old and inconsistent too.

[BlackVVaves]

At their best, yes.

In their present, inconsistent form? No.

We'll see if Spo's "maintenance program" will restore some of the flare into Bron's supporting cast. Also, if he continues to not play Beasley in the playoffs, he truly is an idiot.

[Milbuck]

Also, if he continues to not play Beasley in the playoffs, he truly is an idiot.
Cannot understand why Beasley isn't given more time. I don't watch a lot of Heat games, but from what I've seen from Beasley, his lack of opportunities is mind boggling.

[DMAVS41]

Nah...league is much better this year than it's been the last few years assuming there aren't a ton of injuries.

Still absolutely stacked for their conference...must be nice basically having a free pass to the NBA finals last year and this year.

[bdreason]

They're only stacked if LeBron, Wade, and Bosh are all performing. That's the risk you take when you sign 3 (near) MAX players though.

[gilalizard]

They're only stacked if LeBron, Wade, and Bosh are all performing. That's the risk you take when you sign 3 (near) MAX players though.


That's the POINT of stacking up three such players. They don't need to all play at a high level, and yet they still enjoy a gross advantage.

They can have any 2 of the three of players of the caliber of LeFlop, dwhistle and Bosh take portions of the season, playoffs and Finals off at various times, and they are still favored to win it all.

It's perfect for super-talented but chicken-hearted players like these three douches.

[DMAVS41]

They're only stacked if LeBron, Wade, and Bosh are all performing. That's the risk you take when you sign 3 (near) MAX players though.

Not true at all. They just need Lebron to play like himself, Wade to play at a 18/5/5 clip...and Bosh to play at his normal rate....or they could just have Lebron and Bosh play well and Wade play subpar. Or Lebron and Wade play well...and Bosh play subpar.

The only thing that really matters is that Lebron is great and Wade/Bosh aren't terrible. That happens and they'll win the East again...won't win the title though this year. Not going to be able to get by this year slumping their way to the title.

If they have that...they are absolutely still stacked in relation to the East...they just aren't stacked for the league as teams like the Clippers, Thunder, and Spurs have gotten better.

But, luckily for the Heat, they play in a weak conference and won't have to face a team that isn't clearly worse than them until the Finals.

Yes, I'm hating...because we should. When a team in the West (Suns/Grizzlies) would honestly be the 2nd best team in the damn East won't make the playoffs at all.

It's sick and the NBA needs to fix this this off-season and go to the most fair and balanced approach.

[All Net]

Not true at all. They just need Lebron to play like himself, Wade to play at a 18/5/5 clip...and Bosh to play at his normal rate....or they could just have Lebron and Bosh play well and Wade play subpar. Or Lebron and Wade play well...and Bosh play subpar.

The only thing that really matters is that Lebron is great and Wade/Bosh aren't terrible. That happens and they'll win the East again...won't win the title though this year. Not going to be able to get by this year slumping their way to the title.

If they have that...they are absolutely still stacked in relation to the East...they just aren't stacked for the league as teams like the Clippers, Thunder, and Spurs have gotten better.

But, luckily for the Heat, they play in a weak conference and won't have to face a team that isn't clearly worse than them until the Finals.

Yes, I'm hating...because we should. When a team in the West (Suns/Grizzlies) would honestly be the 2nd best team in the damn East won't make the playoffs at all.

It's sick and the NBA needs to fix this this off-season and go to the most fair and balanced approach.
Yes they do need that but they also need something out of the supporting cast. If Chalmers, Cole, Allen, battier or even Beasley are hitting some shots from deep then thats all they need. They can

[Budadiiii]

Relative to their competition they're stacked beyond belief.

[buddha]

Mario Chalmers / Norris Cole
Dwyane Wade / Ray Allen / Toney Douglas
LeBron James / Michael Beasley / James Jones
Udonis Haslem / Shane Battier / Ray Lewis
Chris Bosh / Chris Andersen / Greg Oden

yup stacked. just because they suck doesn't mean they aren't stacked.. look at the Lakers in '04.

[zoom17]

That's the POINT of stacking up three such players. They don't need to all play at a high level, and yet they still enjoy a gross advantage.

They can have any 2 of the three of players of the caliber of LeFlop, dwhistle and Bosh take portions of the season, playoffs and Finals off at various times, and they are still favored to win it all.

It's perfect for super-talented but chicken-hearted players like these three douches.

:cry:

[eriX]

Not true at all. They just need Lebron to play like himself, Wade to play at a 18/5/5 clip...and Bosh to play at his normal rate....or they could just have Lebron and Bosh play well and Wade play subpar. Or Lebron and Wade play well...and Bosh play subpar.

The only thing that really matters is that Lebron is great and Wade/Bosh aren't terrible. That happens and they'll win the East again...won't win the title though this year. Not going to be able to get by this year slumping their way to the title.

If they have that...they are absolutely still stacked in relation to the East...they just aren't stacked for the league as teams like the Clippers, Thunder, and Spurs have gotten better.

But, luckily for the Heat, they play in a weak conference and won't have to face a team that isn't clearly worse than them until the Finals.

Yes, I'm hating...because we should. When a team in the West (Suns/Grizzlies) would honestly be the 2nd best team in the damn East won't make the playoffs at all.

It's sick and the NBA needs to fix this this off-season and go to the most fair and balanced approach.

the east is weak but sun/griz 2nd best in the east? cmon thats a little far fetched...

[DMAVS41]

[QUOTE=All Net]Yes they do need that but they also need something out of the supporting cast. If Chalmers, Cole, Allen, battier or even Beasley are hitting some shots from deep then thats all they need. They can

[DMAVS41]

the east is weak but sun/griz 2nd best in the east? cmon thats a little far fetched...

they are both for sure playing better than the Pacers right now and have been for a long time.

Honestly, the Nets are the 2nd best team in the East currently.

the Grizzlies are even better than people realize. They are 47-32 overall, but they are 37-19 when Marc Gasol plays.

If Gasol doesn't get hurt...this is a 55 win team.

[Leftimage]

That's the POINT of stacking up three such players. They don't need to all play at a high level, and yet they still enjoy a gross advantage.

They can have any 2 of the three of players of the caliber of LeFlop, dwhistle and Bosh take portions of the season, playoffs and Finals off at various times, and they are still favored to win it all.

It's perfect for super-talented but chicken-hearted players like these three douches.

Actually the Heat have demonstrated that Lebron needs to perform at an elite level in the playoffs - when he doesn't they collapse rather easily (mavs 11', early spurs 13')

[diamenz]

some intelligent discussion going on here - looks like livinglegend's thread backfired on him.

[imdaman99]

This retard's daily insecure Bran thread :facepalm

[All Net]

Oh for sure.

That is why I said they really aren't stacked anymore when looking at the league. The Clippers, Thunder, and Spurs can match them...

They are absolutely going to need something from the role players.

It's interesting because I kind of saw this year as a big year for the Heat...and now I think even more that way. Wade's future is unknown....Bosh seems to only play well every other game...and the rest of the league is only getting better.

Would 2 titles in 4 years, especially given the weak state of the league the last 3 years....really be impressive for the Heat while playing in pretty damn easy conference the last 2 years especially?

I don't know...not sure if that is meeting expectations for this team to only win 2.
I will be honest even if they do manage to win this year I can

[russwest0]

This retard's daily insecure Bran thread :facepalm

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[DMAVS41]

[QUOTE=All Net]I will be honest even if they do manage to win this year I can

[All Net]

Right. That is why I really think the Thunder ****ed up this year though. They should have made a trade to try and get better this year rather than holding onto the damn Dallas pick that Presti clearly is in love with.

It the Thunder don't win...they are going to look back and really question that...especially if Butler comes up small. They haven't allowed Lamb to progress much this season either...which I think was a pretty big mistake.

That was what I was saying for the Heat. If they don't win this year...it only is going to get harder as the East isn't going to stay a joke forever.

And the Rockets, Thunder, Clippers, Warriors have their best days ahead of them.

What do you think...if the Heat lose this year...do you think they would have met expectations over their first 4 years together?
I think if they end with 2 titles, 4 finals appearances they would be abit disappointed. Granted 4 straight finals is a great feat when you consider history but had they beaten Dallas we could of been looking at a great successful run.

Even if they lost this year

3-peat
4 straight finals

Is a very good run. I know it

[DMAVS41]

[QUOTE=All Net]I think if they end with 2 titles, 4 finals appearances they would be abit disappointed. Granted 4 straight finals is a great feat when you consider history but had they beaten Dallas we could of been looking at a great successful run.

Even if they lost this year

3-peat
4 straight finals

Is a very good run. I know it

[Mr. Jabbar]

This retard's daily insecure Bran thread :facepalm

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[kamil]

Stacked compared to what... the 80s Celtics/Lakers or the 90s Bulls? No.

Compared to today's opponents? Hell yes.

[coin24]

Very stacked, who will save his choking ass this year:oldlol:

[SCdac]

Can't stay great forever, as others have said. When they joined, thought it was pretty much understood they had a handful of years or less to be truly dominant. Wasn't quite the same as:

Jordan teamed up with Pippen when he was 24, Pippen was 22.
Shaq teamed up with 18 year old Bryant when he was 24
etc.

Kind of like the 08 Celtics... the beauty of joining Wade (former Finals MVP) and Bosh (former franchise player) on the Heat was they were all experienced and ready for a title (or in Wade's case another title).

If it wasn't for Lebron being mentally fragile against Dallas, they may have 3-peated. But he is who he is, and the Heat are what they are. Older, experienced, short window but highly potent team. Were always stacked but you can't stop aging and injuries.

[J Shuttlesworth]

They were the most stacked in 2011. Now? Not so much...

Bosh - Great most of the time but gets owned any time there's a star big man on the other team
Chalmers - Turnover/mistake prone as hell
Allen - Defensive liability and extremely inconsistent this year
Birdman - butterfingers
Beasley - never plays

They have too many weaknesses in their depth compared to the top 4 in the west. Since Indiana is sucking, Rose is injured, and the Knicks/Nets fell far short of expectations, getting to the finals should be easy but winning it will be another story.

[rmt]

You guys sound all doomsday and whatnot just because MIA is not looking so hot at the end of a very long stretch for them - 4 regular seasons and 3 Finals. They should look tired.

Lebron is only 29 - he will continue playing at a high level for a long time - especially since he never gets injured. They'll coast through to the Finals in the east and be re-energized for whichever tired, fatigued team that claws itself out of the West. Remember how you're always counting out the Spurs because of age and MIA's big 3 is nowhere as old as SAS'.

Riley will re-tool with younger role players next year.

[game3524]

You guys sound all doomsday and whatnot just because MIA is not looking so hot at the end of a very long stretch for them - 4 regular seasons and 3 Finals. They should look tired.

Lebron is only 29 - he will continue playing at a high level for a long time - especially since he never gets injured. They'll coast through to the Finals in the east and be re-energized for whichever tired, fatigued team that claws itself out of the West. Remember how you're always counting out the Spurs because of age and MIA's big 3 is nowhere as old as SAS'.

Riley will re-tool with younger role players next year.

When will people realize that it isn't age but mileage. Lebron is starting show the same effects of wear and tear that Kobe showed during the Lakers run from 2008-2010. He has played into late May-early June almost every year since 2009 and to added that he has also played olympic ball. Lebron may be a freak athlete, but that eventually catches up to any athlete.

[Derka]

Yes. They're still an odds-on favorite to win it all.

Some of those guys are starting to show their mileage, for sure...but that's still a potent group.

[Doranku]

Oh for sure.

That is why I said they really aren't stacked anymore when looking at the league. The Clippers, Thunder, and Spurs can match them...

They are absolutely going to need something from the role players.

It's interesting because I kind of saw this year as a big year for the Heat...and now I think even more that way. Wade's future is unknown....Bosh seems to only play well every other game...and the rest of the league is only getting better.

Would 2 titles in 4 years, especially given the weak state of the league the last 3 years....really be impressive for the Heat while playing in pretty damn easy conference the last 2 years especially?

I don't know...not sure if that is meeting expectations for this team to only win 2.

No, it wouldn't.

[Le Shaqtus]

This retard's daily insecure Bran thread :facepalm

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[StrongLurk]

I don't understand people calling the 2011 Heat stacked. It was literally James, Wade and Bosh, nothing else. Haslem and Miller were supposed to contribute but they were injured all year. Chalmers was below average back then and the rest of the team was garbage. I get that Wade was a lot better in 11 vs now, but that Heat team was the least "team" I've maybe ever seen.

[robert de niro]

Mario Chalmers / Norris Cole
Dwyane Wade / Ray Allen / Toney Douglas
LeBron James / Michael Beasley / James Jones
Udonis Haslem / Shane Battier / Ray Lewis
Chris Bosh / Chris Andersen / Greg Oden

yup stacked. just because they suck doesn't mean they aren't stacked.. look at the Lakers in '04.
exactly

[PyrrhusX]

Mario Chalmers / Norris Cole
Dwyane Wade / Ray Allen / Toney Douglas
LeBron James / Michael Beasley / James Jones
Udonis Haslem / Shane Battier / Ray Lewis
Chris Bosh / Chris Andersen / Greg Oden

yup stacked. just because they suck doesn't mean they aren't stacked.. look at the Lakers in '04.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
They are also the defending champions for the last 2 years making the finals in the last 3. Stacked as the main players have stayed on the team. Stacked.

[Kblaze8855]

Last year in the playoffs Wade put up 15.9, 48, and 4.6 and shot .457...Bosh 12 and 7. Two supposed stars producing in the area of Kendall Gill and Kurt Thomas. Team is a looking less and less special every year.

They could compete and potentially win for probably 2-3 more years as long as Bosh doesnt follow Wade into early old age. But they arent the almost sure thing people used to think they were.

[SCdac]

I don't understand people calling the 2011 Heat stacked. It was literally James, Wade and Bosh, nothing else. Haslem and Miller were supposed to contribute but they were injured all year. Chalmers was below average back then and the rest of the team was garbage. I get that Wade was a lot better in 11 vs now, but that Heat team was the least "team" I've maybe ever seen.

Most stacked was the last 2 seasons, with the additions of Ray Allen, Shane Battier, Chris Anderson, and development of Mario Chalmers. Lebron had also improved since joining the Heat (his regular season lull doesn't frighten me in terms of his skills and experience). Heat had that 26-game win and won two titles. But their "stackedness" is relative to the age and mileage of their best players, particularly Wade, Allen, and Haslem who's probably near done. They were/are definitely stacked relative to the competition of their time

[DaSeba5]

They were, but now I can only laugh at people who say so.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

the problem is that Wade and Bron still mess up their roles. Wade himself said he needed to take a step back and let lebron take over or they will never win it all.
since he did that they never lost a series.

but he often still dominates the ball way to much when hes in there. dont get me wrong, hes very efficent and still a good player but everyone who watched the heat the last three seasons will agree with that: The Heat win if LeBron plays elite,Wade plays efficently mostly off LeBron and Bosh doesnt shit the bed. even if Wade has a HUGE game and LeBron has an okay game, they lose nearly every single time. If Lebron has a huge game and Wade has an okay game, they nearly win every single time. i dont know why that is, but its a FACT.

Wade will put up 20-22/5 on ELITE efficency if he plays off LeBron and takes over when hes without LeBron. that is how the Heat win. but imo Wade is to proud and always tries to ignore that. that is how they lost around 10-15 games this season alone.

that being said its still not their biggest problem. the biggest problem is the absymal play of EVERY single role player except Birdman and Bosh'( Bosh is a role player at this point).
they are so UNBELIEVABLY DUMB, take shots they shouldnt take and play horrible defense. some guy like Rashard and Ray just cant accept they arent 29 anymore:facepalm
the role players need to step up HUGE for Miami to have any chance, and while that happened in the past, i doubt it will happen this year.
whatever happens, Riley has to trade Chalmers,Cole,Rashard and maybe Allen in the off season.
Miami is absolutely not stacked at this point, they just play in a shitty conference

[(e)]

They have Lebron, Wade, and Bosh. So yes they are stacked. A bunch of their role players are old, but that's essentially irrelevant because all of them would play larger roles on almost any other team.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

I don't understand people calling the 2011 Heat stacked. It was literally James, Wade and Bosh, nothing else. Haslem and Miller were supposed to contribute but they were injured all year. Chalmers was below average back then and the rest of the team was garbage. I get that Wade was a lot better in 11 vs now, but that Heat team was the least "team" I've maybe ever seen.
its still the same, except Chalmers went from below average to useless retarded rabbit on cocaine:coleman:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

They have Lebron, Wade, and Bosh. So yes they are stacked. A bunch of their role players are old, but that's essentially irrelevant because all of them would play larger roles on almost any other team.
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[Kblaze8855]

A bunch of their role players are old, but that's essentially irrelevant because all of them would play larger roles on almost any other team.

Who?

Rashard Lewis was putting up 8ppg on 38% shooting on the Wizards three years ago.

Beasley played 20 minutes a game in 20 stars on a 25 win Suns team two years ago and was a free agent it didnt seem anyone was excited to sign. He put up 10ppg on 40% shooting as a bench player on a team that had nothing but other role players.

Chris Anderson has 10 starts in his entire NBA career and in 5 seasons(more really but im not counting seasons he barely played) he played less minutes than he does on the Heat. He was out of the league when the Heat added him.

Its been 5 years since Roger Mason put up even 6ppg anywhere.

Toney Douglas played less minutes on the Warriors than he does on the Heat and in his beat season like 5 years ago he got 9 starts on a bad team.

James Jones was a 4ppg player for 2 years on the Heat before the Big 3 formed.

Joel Anthony was ass on the Heat and is a 0.9ppg low minutes nobody now on the Celtics shooting 36%.

Greg Oden was out for 4 or 5 years.

Battier played 24 minutes his last Memphis run. Hes played 23, 25, and 19 a game on the Heat getting less and less effective and hes retiring this summer.

Chalmers was putting up 7/3 off the bench before the Big 3. He could be someone elses role player point im sure but he isnt what anyone is looking for in a starting point.

Cole is just....a standard deep bench guard. He would be third string on the Bulls right now. 4th with Rose back.

Ray could do more on a bad team....but he wouldnt play on one. Hes 38. 39 soon. This role is what he has left.

Haslem?

He could be someone elses now and then off the bench bigman but not much else. He didnt have a single start on the 2010 Heat. Lifetime role player. And not a large role. He might be the "spirit" of the team or whatever but hes not playing much anywhere.


The Heat role players are nothing special.

[livinglegend]

Who?

Rashard Lewis was putting up 8ppg on 38% shooting on the Wizards three years ago.

Beasley played 20 minutes a game in 20 stars on a 25 win Suns team two years ago and was a free agent it didnt seem anyone was excited to sign. He put up 10ppg on 40% shooting as a bench player on a team that had nothing but other role players.

Chris Anderson has 10 starts in his entire NBA career and in 5 seasons(more really but im not counting seasons he barely played) he played less minutes than he does on the Heat. He was out of the league when the Heat added him.

Its been 5 years since Roger Mason put up even 6ppg anywhere.

Toney Douglas played less minutes on the Warriors than he does on the Heat and in his beat season like 5 years ago he got 9 starts on a bad team.

James Jones was a 4ppg player for 2 years on the Heat before the Big 3 formed.

Joel Anthony was ass on the Heat and is a 0.9ppg low minutes nobody now on the Celtics shooting 36%.

Greg Oden was out for 4 or 5 years.

Battier played 24 minutes his last Memphis run. Hes played 23, 25, and 19 a game on the Heat getting less and less effective and hes retiring this summer.

Chalmers was putting up 7/3 off the bench before the Big 3. He could be someone elses role player point im sure but he isnt what anyone is looking for in a starting point.

Cole is just....a standard deep bench guard. He would be third string on the Bulls right now. 4th with Rose back.

Ray could do more on a bad team....but he wouldnt play on one. Hes 38. 39 soon. This role is what he has left.

Haslem?

He could be someone elses now and then off the bench bigman but not much else. He didnt have a single start on the 2010 Heat. Lifetime role player. And not a large role. He might be the "spirit" of the team or whatever but hes not playing much anywhere.


The Heat role players are nothing special.

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BTW, all the intelligent posters in this thread see that they are not stacked. The dumb ones, well you cant do anything about them:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: They ll believe want they want to believe.

[secund2nun]

No center no stacked period.

[wakencdukest]

historically, no. I don't believe they could compete with any of the greatest teams.