Mad Men Season 7 Discussion

[irondarts]

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The final season premieres tonight. Not sure how many fans of this show we have on here. But here's a thread to discuss the final season.

It will be broken up into two parts like the final season of Breaking Bad.

[ZeN]

Me and the wife are gonna watch the last two episodes of last season to refresh a bit. Gonna watch tonights episode as well but my expectations are tempered. I have trouble watching single episodes of mad men. It tends to be methodical in pace and storytelling so it's difficult to get a viewing rhythm. Still like it but prefer watching it in bulk.

[ZeN]

#teampetecampbell
#CampbellGinsberg2016
#NOTGREATBOB
I hope Pete dies in the final season. A horrid cruel agonizing death. #GuiltyPleasures #TeamWhittman

[Suguru101]

Strangely, i am more interested in how the relation between Don and his daughter is right now. He seems to have butchered every connection he has at work and with his wife. His daughter and maybe Betty are the only things people who still care about him.

Oh, and Peggy is going to be very interesting this season. I hope.

[knickballer]

I really liked last seasons ending. Going to be interesting to see what happens to the Don and I think we can all assume at the end he gets some sort of rebirth and he's finally comfortable with who he is.



Or he just commits suicide/runs away

[ZeN]

Damn. Really good episode.
Damn happy to hear it

[miller-time]

Strangely, i am more interested in how the relation between Don and his daughter is right now.

I'm mostly still hoping Hendricks gets them out before the series over. But it isn't going to happen is it? :(

But yeah I haven't watched it in a while but the last episode I saw was where his daughter caught him sleeping with the neighbour. That was awkward.

[bballnoob1192]

who's gonna die? I mean someone's gotta die. I can just feel it.

[ZeN]

who's gonna die? I mean someone's gotta die. I can just feel it.
Dons wife moved into Laurel Canyon..given the history of that place, if it were anyone it could be her.. Particularly with all that Sharon Tate talk last season.

[Joshumitsu]

Weak episode. At least, not one of the more interesting openers. Did enjoy the concept of Don pitching through Fred Rumsen.

That said, Mad Men after GoT is a good way to cap off the night.

[Thorpesaurous]

I intend to catch up tonight. I do Game of Thrones because it has no commercials and record whatever the AMC show is.

I've also decided to commit to Silicon Valley for at least a few more weeks, and then watched a recording of Bar Rescue, which is a nice way to shut down because it's so relaxingly consistent. Taffer calls someone an idiot, talks about Branding, then tells everyone how proud he is of them after knowing them for 45 minutes.

Has anyone watched Turn on AMC? I recorded the pilot and never even watched it.

I'm actually just getting going streaming Friday Night Lights on Netflix. I've heard tons of good stuff, but had never even seen an episode. So far pretty solid. The production quality is outstanding. Coach and Mrs. Coach are spectacular. As is Daughter Coach and Backup *** QB1 Matt Saracen. I'm still not positive, but the now crippled former star QB Streeter also seems pretty solid. After that the acting starts to get pretty ugly. Minka Kelly is terrible. She is world class gorgeous, but she's a terrible actress. And the hunk guy, Riggins, who's had a few shots now on the big screen, is awfull too. Incredibly, Minka Kelly is the second hottest chick on the show, as the girl who plays Tyra, Adrianne Palicki, is somehow hotter, and that's with Minka really being more in my wheelhouse as far as type goes.

And as bad as I think some of the acting is, a little bit falls on the writing. They're really straining what even the best young actors can do by setting up one major teen drama scenario after another. It's really crazy emotional manipultion. And I know I dig that to a degree, but this is nuts. And in addition to that, watching it in long form back to back to back as I am, there's some dialogue ticks that I pick up on that makes it seem sloppy. Week to week they may be less noticable. They's said the phrase "all do respect ... " probably a record number of times.

Overall very good though. Great when it's working, cringe worthy when it's not, but so far it works a lot more often that it doesn't. And I'm only done with most of season one.

Coach and Mrs. Coach make me want to go out and make a difference in the lives of youngsters.

[irondarts]

I really enjoyed the episode. It wasn't great but it was good. It's going to be extremely interesting to see where this is going.


Also @ thorp, Friday Night Lights is one of the best.

[Suguru101]

I hope there isn't a dragged out divorce arc of the sort between Don and Megan, i just have no investment left in their relationship. It should just fade away.

Thinking about it, the only woman on the show who would have been good for Don was that Doctor woman from the season before he married Megan.

I am waiting for Peggy and Don to meet up. It promises to be electric.

And i am waiting for Betty. She has become very interesting to me since that episode where she and Don got together in the cabin.

Pete is actually a young Roger right now, he is in a good place. I don't know what they are doing with Joan or Roger, but i hope they aren't just side-characters and get more interesting screen time.

Oh, and i'm i the only one who wants Stan to fu** the hell out of Peggy?

[irondarts]

Good second episode. Glad to see Sally back in the picture. Peggy is losing her shit.

[irondarts]

Good second episode. Glad to see Sally back in the picture. Peggy is losing her shit.
Plus Joan is moving on up.

[bballnoob1192]

Peggy can die in a fire. What an unlikeable ****

[irondarts]

Peggy can die in a fire. What an unlikeable ****
She really is soo unlikeable.

[RedBlackAttack]

That was a really good episode. Mad Men can be sort of hit or miss these days, but it can still hit the mark really well... this season is off to a pretty good start.

[knickballer]

Can't wait for the Don to get his revenge at those self entitled advertising kunts.

[irondarts]

Great episode tonight. Don is going back to work. Peggy is still a miserable bitch.

The only negative was the return of Betty.

[johndeeregreen]

That scene in Cooper's office where Roger went to bat for Don.:bowdown:

Roger has always been one of my favorite characters and his redemption the last couple years has been awesome. They've handcuffed Don with their stipulations but it's only a matter of time before he figures out a way to circumvent them.

[knickballer]

That scene in Cooper's office where Roger went to bat for Don.:bowdown:

Roger has always been one of my favorite characters and his redemption the last couple years has been awesome. They've handcuffed Don with their stipulations but it's only a matter of time before he figures out a way to circumvent them.

Liked that scene as well. Roger is the only person(of status) who still has respect for Don and appreciates what he has accomplished. Dude understands he's in no position to criticize Don as he's even more ****ed up.

Peggy was just disgusting and so was Joane who had to sell her tits for her position. I guess they are trying to display the hypocrisy and the mindset of people during the 70's after Don's emotional scene last season where we was deemed unstable and crazy whereas today people will be applauding Don.

I'm not sure Don will get the redemption we think he'll get. I just think he's going to come out as the person he really is(Whittman) and move on. I think we'll see everyone distance themselves away from him due to embarrassment(Megan, the ad agency) but his family(mainly sally and the kids) will embrace him and love him for the person he truly is unlike Betty.


PS, does Bert Cooper remind you of Donald Sterling :D

[Thorpesaurous]

I really dug this past Sunday's episode. Particularly Don's return to the office. At the end of the day, this show is so character driven, that I think that's why it's felt a bit off of late. Not only is it character driven, it's about the way these characters that they've built so well, interact. And they've been literally blown all over the map. And most importantly, is how they interact with Don. That's why I so enjoyed his return to the the office. It was a frantic spilling of all these people all of sudden forced to deal with who they are in relation to this guy.

I think where this may be heading as an end game is that Don is really just an Ad guy. He's whole existence was a sell as Don from Dick Whitman. I thought it was telling that not once but twice they show young women who barely know him react in a swooning way toward him, he's a walking billboard (the secretary at the office, and the stewardess). And in his return to the office, it's the creative team that he sits with and is comfortable with, and them with him, although they're in awe of him.
I think we're heading toward Don redeeming himself by owning the fact that he's Dick Whitman the creative Ad genius, and redeeming Peggy in the process, who is in her own way a creative Ad genius, who's had to turn herself into a billboard of sorts to sell herself beyond being "the woman", not unlike Don sold himself beyond being Dick Whitman the cowardly AWOL Veteran.

In addition to the office stuff, we also got to see him dropped in the water for real with Megan.

And Betty is just reprehensable.

[johndeeregreen]

And Betty is just reprehensable.
I don't understand how Henry, who seems to be rational and levelheaded, continues to put up with such a petulant child. I thought there were indications last season that he was beginning to see what a mistake he'd made.

Couldn't help but chuckle a bit watching Peggy try to act like everything's good and they don't miss working with Don at all.

[CP3MVP]

Pete's gf is hot. Great legs too.

http://i.imgur.com/vJZgwnq.jpg

[CP3MVP]

Reminds me of a mix between Reese Witherspoon and Anna Camp.

http://i.imgur.com/kmtr8yr.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qjb9bUSl.jpg

[Maniak]

everyones gonna like peggy by the end of the season. i dont think shes as bad as everyone is making her out to be.

joan is more insufferable than her this season, imo, despite her lacking screentime

best show on tv.

[mr.big35]

is this show any good i heard its boring

[miller-time]

Peggy was just disgusting and so was Joane who had to sell her tits for her position. I guess they are trying to display the hypocrisy and the mindset of people during the 70's after Don's emotional scene last season where we was deemed unstable and crazy whereas today people will be applauding Don.

Yeah it really annoys me how high and mighty she acts now, yet she got the job by whoring herself out. Still Christina Hendricks is my fav.

[Maniak]

is this show any good i heard its boring
find out for yourself, its all on netflix minus the currently running season.

you're not going to get a fast paced action. its more on the drama side of things.

personally i find the pace, characters, set, all to be good. its a nice change from shows i'd usually watch.

[Suguru101]

Mad Men character interest rankings for me right now:

1- Don

2- Roger

3- Sally

4- Peggy

[Joshumitsu]

is this show any good i heard its boring

Every good TV drama I've seen relied on people killing people every episode or two.

Mad Men is the only one that doesn't do that.

Take that how you will.

[PleezeBelieve]

Who the fukk writes for Roger? He is insanely funny/witty... like, every episode

[Thorpesaurous]

Who the fukk writes for Roger? He is insanely funny/witty... like, every episode


Don't you know Matt Weiner writes everything. He's writing this for me right now!!

He also built the set, and actually plays Roger and Joan in costumes he built.

[Thorpesaurous]

I've gotten to the point where I typically don't like when they get to far from the office. There's too much going on there, too many characters to see, for me to want to spend an episode in the car with Roger's wife chasing his daughter, who are secondary at best.

However, there was a lot parallells at work here. Seeing Roger have his daughter flat out call him out, as straight forwardly as she did, referencing his absentee-ism during her youth, in spite of his "giving her everything", felt like a direct look into the potential future of Don and Sally, who were so huge a week ago. And I also think it's telling that it was paired up with this plot between Don and Peggy, who's really like a surrugate daughter to him. And now he's letting her down with this Burger Chef campaign.

I do feel like we've come a little too far to require yet another "Don sinks to the bottom of a bottle" sequence. And I hope this isn't heading toward sobriety being the end game, in the way it seems to be for Eddie Rumsen. That would make this all feel too preachy I think, although I'd have to see it play out. It just felt a little like retreading. But since it will probably serve as a crux to the Peggy / Don dynamic, I'm fine with it, as long as it doesn't run all season.

I completely agree that the Joan character has gotten a little out of control. I do enjoy anytime she and Peggy pair up though. Their doggedness to excel and their obviously different methods of doing so give them so much in common while at the same time putting themselves at such a weird opposition. It's always cool when they're not just passive aggressively hating each other.

The one thing I think this show is suffering with in my head is the schism between Don's "breakdown" and what feels like excessive treatment by the company. And I know that it's only because I'm seeing it from my modern perspective. Sure he probably shouldn't have told the Hersey people about getting their candy from a prostitute, but the treatment he got from Bert, and the way Joan, Lou, Jim Cutler (Harry Hamlin is spectacular), and even Peggy (although she seems conflicted), talk about him, and have exiled him, just seems so out of step. It doesn't feel like the punishment fits the crime as it were. It's just that I have to keep reminding myself that it was a different crime at that time. But when something terrible happens, like Bert dressing him down, it just feels like, wait ... because of the Hersey pitch?

The symbolism of the computer coming into the office is quite heavy handed. Right to the point where Don calls the installer guy a silver tongued beezelbub.
The call back to Lane's Mets fandom was interesting. Just more recall from Don, which is always incredibly well done in such quiet ways on this show.

And where the hell is Bob Bensen already?

[Riley Martin]

wtf

[Jailblazers7]

Didn't see tonight's episode but I binged out and got caught up this weekend. Don's exile doesn't seem so quite extreme to me because of it but I agree that it's too far. The Hershey speech was so ****ing exquisite that I can't reconcile it with a total alienation.

I'm glad that freddie convinced him to do the work but lou just seems like an overreaction after the meeting where Roger told the partners where they can't afford to let Don **** them. I can only hope that Peggy learns that Don has selflessly been helping Freddy so she can get over herself quickly. You would think they would write her as being more self aware than being still caught up on Ted.

[rufuspaul]

Didn't see tonight's episode


Watch it ASAP. It was a total mind ****.

[Clyde]

WTF Michael Ginsberg??

:biggums:

[Rubio2Gasol]

Let's be real.

Don is the GOAT.

Threesome in LA, then **** ups.Lou in NY.

[bballnoob1192]

Lol that 3some was so gddamn awkward in the morning. Both bitches were weird and pissy and don was just like watever

[EnoughSaid]

GREAT GREAT episode. Mad Men is one of my absolute favorite shows and I've loved the past few weeks and this season in general.

Anyway, the threesome thing was kind of interesting. It felt like Megan was trying to get Don's attention, pull out the old Don in him. This is where we see some of Dick Whitman shining through, as he's hesitant to get down with these two girls. But hey the scene was hot. Wish Mad Men was on HBO so we could see some titties :(

Ginsburg has been mentally ill for a while. We've seen him act out ever since season 5. It just got to him and he went overboard. Growing up in a concentration camp didn't help either. This is going to really bother Peggy, and I think she comes to Don for comfort.

And damn it was good to see Don Draper the suave son of a bitch in that interview. That would be the biggest account they'd have and now Don will have to remain and be the head of it. He played it beautifully. I'm excited to see what happens. Great season so far.

[Droid101]

Is this show any good still? I gave up two weeks ago because the first few episodes this season (and pretty much all of last season) were mind-numbingly boring.

[Jailblazers7]

Is this show any good still? I gave up two weeks ago because the first few episodes this season (and pretty much all of last season) were mind-numbingly boring.

I thought last season was fantastic actually.

[Droid101]

I guess I need more explosions or mass murderings.

[Thorpesaurous]

The stuff with Megan and the "the niece" was great stuff. And how that led to the party. Don's discomfort there. The Harry meeting. The three way. And I especially loved Megan the next morning.
It was a somewhat thin episode in terms of scope. Not a ton of characters. And even then not a lot of interaction. But that was actually nice. We got some full arc sequences like the trip.

I loved the Ginsberg stuff. I hope we get more. Hopefully it has an effect on Peggy and Stan. And Lou and Harry Hamlin make great foils.

And then throwing in that major plot pusher in. Just a really great episode. And without the aid of Roger.

[Guy Dudebro]

Nice to see Don finally make a move, it was killing me that he hadn't left for another firm and come back to crush those guys (I know there is a non-compete clause, but I am sure they would have waived it to drop Don cleanly).

Jim Cutler made a tactical mistake tying his wagon to Lou Avery and as a result I see Don and Roger ascending back into the alpha roles with Lou eventually being bought out of the rest of his two year contract. He is dead weight, ironically enough so is Ted Chaough(sp?) nowadays in LA so it looks like much of the merging squad is proving to be not up to task. I also wonder about Bert Cooper, they tried to get him out a few seasons ago, I wonder if they will revisit that.

I see this series having a happy ending, 1-because there has been a lot of animosity towards shows that end oddly and 2- because much of the soul searching and suffering has already happened with many of the characters.

When it ends I see Don in control of all creative and operational decisions, Roger as a figurehead leader, Bert thrown into retirement, Jim exiting on his own accord, Ted finding another line of work, Joan and Peggy in management positions, Pete running LA and Harry being propped up to top management because 1-Don will see to it and 2-TV will be the most important division. The Cutler Gleason Chaough gang will be all gone and it will be happy days with the original core people in charge.

[Jailblazers7]

The ending shots with Don as the father figure with Peggy and Pete were fantastic in the latest episode.

[Joshumitsu]

I'm gonna be upset after this upcoming episode because of the season-split. If AMC wanted to try to emulate the Sopranos, they could've at least given Mad Men 2 or 3 more episodes to tell the story.

Anyway, the Waterloo title in this upcoming episode suggests a not-so-positive half time for Don Draper. Maybe this is it. Maybe Cutler did some digging around with old military buddies (he was prior-service Air Force) and knows Don's true identity (didn't help that he told his childhood story during the Hershey meeting) and now, like Napoleon, he's on the run.

[rufuspaul]

I see this series having a happy ending
When it ends I see Don in control of all creative and operational decisions,


The show opening has Don falling helplessly out of a skyscraper. I think this series has been a tragedy all along, the rise and fall of Don Draper.

[irondarts]

A really good mid-season finale last night. Lots of new changes happening.

Pretty pissed that we now have to wait until 2015 to finish out the season. That is not a good format for a show like Mad Men (Unlike BB).

[knickballer]

A really good mid-season finale last night. Lots of new changes happening.

Pretty pissed that we now have to wait until 2015 to finish out the season. That is not a good format for a show like Mad Men (Unlike BB).


I thought they rushed that whole last scene with the situation of McCann Eriksen(Don't want to spoil it)..

Roger Sterling doe :bowdown: He's ready to take on Cutler and his power hungry tendencies.

But what was that last scene with Burt all about? Is it supposed to represent that Don really doesn't want to stay in the business and wants to move on to something else?


But **** Joan though..

[Rubio2Gasol]

Joan :lol

Don is just alpha man. When he called the improteu meeting in the middle of the damn office :lol

[MP.Trey]

Joan :lol

Don is just alpha man. When he called the improteu meeting in the middle of the damn office :lol
That scene was great. The music in the background along with Don's authoritave voice calling everyone over in outrage was just perfect together. Roger's reaction to Bert's death, leading to the sale of the company was fantastic as well. Roger really shined in this episode. That ending was f*cked up though. Had me chuckling after a bit but couldn't help but wonder why the f*ck Don was having such an elaborate hallucination. :oldlol:

[PleezeBelieve]

Whos been the better character in his series, Don or Roger?

Tough tough tough call. The writing and delivery for Roger is immaculate

[johndeeregreen]

Whos been the better character in his series, Don or Roger?

Tough tough tough call. The writing and delivery for Roger is immaculate
Roger was irrelevant for too long to rate him as "better" than Don. His redemption has been awesome though.

[Waking_Life]

I hope they do turn Sterling into a major boss before it ends. He's been the most eclectic interesting character besides Don.

[rufuspaul]

No more Megan in a bikini :( .


My prediction is that the last half of the season will show the 70s being ushered in in full force. The age of Don, Roger, et al will be over.

[Jailblazers7]

It does rub me the wrong way how Joan basically became a money grubbing bitch ever since she became partner. They always wrote her as a hardened by life woman but I thought she would maintain some sort of depth to her decision making.

Roger's growth as a character over the last couple seasons really has been awesome. It seems like Roger and Don have switched places in more ways than one. Don was the leader the first time a new agency formed because he wanted control. Plus, he was freshly married to a secretary. Roger was the opposite. Divorcing a secretary, kind of rudderless because all he really wanted to do was be charming and enjoy his job when he was really just spiraling. Now Roger is single and finding peace within himself and has dealt with his past behavior. Don has finished his spiral (top off with his own divorce) and he finally realized that all he really needed to be happy was the work. Roger has supplanted him as leader because he wants control, not because of the work but because of loyalty to his team.

btw - anyone watch Half and Catch Fire's first episode. I'm definitely intrigued by the show and I'm hoping it has an awesome 80's soundtrack.

[johndeeregreen]

btw - anyone watch Half and Catch Fire's first episode. I'm definitely intrigued by the show and I'm hoping it has an awesome 80's soundtrack.
The premise doesn't interest me in the least, but at least there's no way it can be worse than Rubicon.

[Jailblazers7]

The premise doesn't interest me in the least, but at least there's no way it can be worse than Rubicon.

Based on the first episode, I doubt it will be anything all that special. It looks worth watching but not really a can't miss the way Mad Men has been for me. HCF seems more like a linear drama than character driven and you can find a show like that on every network. It will probably be a smartly written plot but it will take a lot to really impress me. The writing on Mad Men was just so consistently superb that I'm not sure what to do once the series is over.

[ZeN]

btw - anyone watch Half and Catch Fire's first episode. I'm definitely intrigued by the show and I'm hoping it has an awesome 80's soundtrack.

Halt and Catch Fire to Mad Men is the drama equivalent of what That 80's Show was to That 70's Show. A cheap imitation. At the very least the first episode is. The writing is a bad imitation of engaging material. Every characters purpose is exposition. It also feels less of a period piece and more like a presentation of dated material. It's particularly flat in comparison to the stellar show Silicon Valley that is excelling at living in the moment.

H&CF seems like it's trying very hard to capture the Mad Men vibe. Yet, it lacks engaging writing and characters. Also its main characters comes off as a cheap imitation of an aggressive Don Draper. He's a passionate speech man that unlike Don comes off as arrogant as opposed to motivated.

Funny that the second main character is like a poor man's walter white whos brilliance is computers as opposed to chemistry. He's passionate about his work and his wife doesn't support him, feels like a Skylar.

The show feels like visual proof of AMC's panic mode as they try to emulate their previous successful shows.

[Jailblazers7]

Yeah, the first episode kind of struck me as a show that you would see on USA except that it tries a bit harder to appeal to critics. I'll give the show 5 episodes before I give up tho because I think it's more difficult to kick start a plot driven show like this than something like Mad Men. A character driven show can kind of dive right into the main personality and let the plot develop while plot driven shows need to take steps to lay down the groundwork.

[ZeN]

Yeah, the first episode kind of struck me as a show that you would see on USA except that it tries a bit harder to appeal to critics. I'll give the show 5 episodes before I give up tho because I think it's more difficult to kick start a plot driven show like this than something like Mad Men. A character driven show can kind of dive right into the main personality and let the plot develop while plot driven shows need to take steps to lay down the groundwork.
AMC needs to remember that the success of Mad Men and Breaking Bad came from employing artistic headstrong show runners with original ideas. All the best shows at the moment are being runned with a single mind purpose. True Detective, Fargo, and House of Cards are all written by one individual. It's a creative issue. I think it would be smart to just get out of their own way.

However, I doubt that will happen any time soon. They split both mad men and breaking bad's final seasons to make extra cash. They send notes to their other shows like crazy. Oh and they have had like 3 show runners on Walking Dead. Like other networks all they care about is the bottom line. Which is why I fear for Better Call Saul. Lol

[Jailblazers7]

Oh damn, I had no idea that there was an internal decay happening at AMC. That's a shame to hear.

[Thorpesaurous]

AMC needs to remember that the success of Mad Men and Breaking Bad came from employing artistic headstrong show runners with original ideas. All the best shows at the moment are being runned with a single mind purpose. True Detective, Fargo, and House of Cards are all written by one individual. It's a creative issue. I think it would be smart to just get out of their own way.

However, I doubt that will happen any time soon. They split both mad men and breaking bad's final seasons to make extra cash. They send notes to their other shows like crazy. Oh and they have had like 3 show runners on Walking Dead. Like other networks all they care about is the bottom line. Which is why I fear for Better Call Saul. Lol


I would throw Louie, and Orange is the New Black, into those singular vision, auteur culture, sort of programming.

I was reading about Louie last week, and was shocked to hear that it doesn't do that great in terms of viewership. After thinking about it I suppose I get it. It's so abstract that it certainly isn't for everyone. In addition to that, even if you like Louie as a standup, the show seems to be exploring an even darker, and weirder, part of his writing mind. It often feels like stuff that he's maybe tried to work into stand up routines, and just couldn't get there. So it's stuck in this quasi funny state. But it appears FX doesn't mind because of a few reasons. One, the cost is pretty minimal. Two, while the ratings aren't great, it does seem to be specific to a market that is very desirable: males, 25-50. Third, the critical acclaim puts them in a light they like to be seen in. And fourth thing is that it acts as something of a beacon. Something they'd call a loss leader if you were running a business almost, in that the freedom they've allowed him gives them an advantage when other things they want to try come up for bid. What they've done with Louie makes them a more desirable place to work for someone else looking to do that type of work when something interesting comes along. Same could probably be said of Sons of Anarchy, they just kind of got lucky in getting an auteur who does things like add rocked out gun toting car chases that aren't germane to the plot, so it sort of feels like it's been assembled by a team of execs. It feels like FX is going to catch AMC. Once Mad Men is gone, and if people really start to wear thin on The Walking Dead, and especially if FX's new Guillermo Del Torro Zombie vehicle, The Strain, shows any life, AMC could be in real trouble.

Anyway, in reference to AMC, I guess a big part of their concern is that they Weiner, and to a lesser extend Vince Gilligan, sort of were able to drag them across the coals as far as contract negotiations went. And they apparently all but swore off ever giving up as much control as they did to those guys to anyone ever again. It's a shame, because it seems to make excellent TV.

I have Halt and Catch Fire recorded, but never got around to watching the first episode. I'm gonna try to watch it tonight.

[ZeN]

I would throw Louie, and Orange is the New Black, into those singular vision, auteur culture, sort of programming.



Louie is a great example. The whole show excels at what it is due to being under the directive of a single person. However, from the interviews that Louise C.K. has given its in large part to his willingness to take less money. Hes mentioned that he took an amount that would allow him to do whatever he wants with the show without being scrutinized or given notes. It may be niche but like you said it appeals to the right demographic and also has been gaining a cult following over time.



I think Netflix has been a great influence in the production of auteur driven shows. Many of their shows implement direction of that type like Orange is the New Black, Hemlock Grove, House of Cards, Lilyhammer and to a certain extent Arrested Development. For the most part the strategy has worked. I hope we see the trend continue because it will produce shows that are not only better but that have focus and understanding of what their trying to be.

Too many good concepts end up getting whittled down by having a good idea with flimsy direction or having an intended direction ruined by a note happy network. Like what happened with Dexter. As soon as the head writer left after season 4, it absolutely became a different show. The quality rapidly started plummeting. From the differences in storylines and the inclusion of certain on screen decisions, you can tell that there was no clear understand of what story they were trying to tell. It seemed like they were just working to 'make a show' as opposed to creating engaging story. It could have been due to multiple voices in the writers room or incessant notes from Showtime, as they did on Weeds. Showtimes' network executive was asked when he would like to end Dexter and he said that given the choice hed keep it on forever because it makes good money. Thats the type of leadership that has a good bottom line but creates shows that spiral down into oblivion.

On side note, I think Del Toros' The Strain is about Vampires as opposed to Zombies.

[irondarts]

The second episode of Halt And Catch Fire tonight was very good, it was better than the pilot and the show looks to be going in some interesting directions. The biggest issue for me is the main character Joe. He is obviously an unstable guy and is completely unlikeable for me. He's just an extremely obnoxious character. The other two main characters are much more interesting to me.

We'll see where this goes, but I like the premise of the show and it has a lot more promise after tonight's strong episode in my opinion. I will continue watching.

[irondarts]

Halt And Catch Fire has turned into a dud. It's also getting awful ratings, which means it likely will get cancelled. Back to the drawing board for AMC.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

AMC got very lucky with Mad Men and Breaking Bad. Judging from the crap they have been releasing during and since, they are going to really struggle when Mad Men ends.

Soon it will only be FX, the prem channels, and Netflix.

[Jailblazers7]

I think Halt and Catch Fire is getting better. This week's episode was definitely the strongest so far and Joe actually became a real character instead of a sketch of a business power player. I think the philosophical differences between Cameron and Gordon makes for an interesting plot line centered on the risks of innovation and the changing interaction between man and machine in the 80s. I'm actually looking forward to the next episode for the first time.

[Thorpesaurous]

I think Halt and Catch Fire is getting better. This week's episode was definitely the strongest so far and Joe actually became a real character instead of a sketch of a business power player. I think the philosophical differences between Cameron and Gordon makes for an interesting plot line centered on the risks of innovation and the changing interaction between man and machine in the 80s. I'm actually looking forward to the next episode for the first time.


I sort of agree with this. I especially like Cameron. And I also really like the dynamic between her and Gordon, and especially as it relates to Gordon and his wife, not in a sexual way either, but in their approach to the machine.

I'm still not sold on Joe. I agree he's getting more fleshed out. I'm just concerned as to into what exactly. The scars. The mystery father thing. The disappearing from IBM. The gay for sale scene that came out of nowhere then disappeared just as quickly. He's fascinating, but he so far seems like he's too weird to fit into the world that I'm liking about this show otherwise. In a different show I wouldn't have nearly the problem with a character like this. But in a different show that character and the reeling out of his backstory would be the whole show. In this there's too much other stuff going on that I'm interested in. So when we get a "We learn more about Joe" scene pops up, I'm often frustrated by it. And it doesn't help that a lot of it is done through Cameron, and their whole relationship just feels weird in relationship to her character. And frankly I'd like to know more about her background anyway. This week's stuff with Joe and Gordon's family was interesting though.

[rufuspaul]

Gordon stealing the Cabbage Patch dolls was classic.

[irondarts]

I'm glad I've stuck with Halt and Catch Fire. The last 2 episodes have been fantastic and it looks like the final 2 episodes are going to be extremely interesting as well. I think last night's episode was my favorite so far.

I'm actually disappointed that it's gotten such awful ratings and likely won't be back for a second season. Who knows though, maybe AMC will give it another season.

[Duggrr]

Does anyone have a good online link where I can watch season 7 for free? I watched all six previous seasons on netflix this year and the seventh season probably won't be released for a while.

[irondarts]

BTW, AMC surprisingly renewed Halt And Catch Fire for a 2nd Season. This is good news, the first season was inconsistent, but ended very strong and I'm definitely looking forward to Season 2.

[Jailblazers7]

Halt is pretty heavy handed with its symbolism but I'm ok with it. I'm genuinely interested where they go with Joe and Gordon next season. They are in the middle of new/old school tech for that era which makes it interesting. I think Joe actually has visionary qualities but he is too risk averse to break free. I think Cameron's path is fairly well set because she is actually in touch with the future.

I think next season start with Joe as the lead of a startup with a great idea but not the talent to work and the troops rally around him but who knows. Maybe he starts as the forerunner of mobile but it's too early. I like how Cam is in the Jobs line of thought as far as connectivity goes. It's been enjoyable to see the battle between productivity and connectivity be lived out out in a developmental and practical scenario.

[irondarts]

How's everyone else feeling about the second half of the season so far? Personally I don't think it's been very good.

[rufuspaul]

How's everyone else feeling about the second half of the season so far? Personally I don't think it's been very good.


Last night's episode is the only one so far that has been any good imo, and there's only one more left. :(

Peggy rollerskating while Roger played the organ was classic.

[Suguru101]

We must not be watching the same show then.

Apart from the first one, which was still a really interesting and well done episode, they have been tremendous.

Especially episode 11 (or, the 4th one of the second half). The tone, the themes, the performances, the dialogue, the panache...

It was an instant classic for Mad Men.

And the one before that, when Sally and Don had that scene at the end, it was powerful. That entire episode too, with so many things being said that had only been in the back of our minds.

This show is amazing right now. I haven't seen last night's episode yet, but from the last 3, i have no reason to doubt it will be amazing, too.

Really reminds me that while Game of Thrones is also an ATG show, Mad Men's concern for the self, it's concern with life, gives it something that no other show has.

I find it hard to accept that there are only two more.

[Thorpesaurous]

Other than my intense dislike of the waitress character, I've actually really enjoyed this last season, or half season if you must.

The show for me has always been best when it's webbing these incredibly rich characters together. It's not just that these are such well defined fictional personalities, it's that they interact in these really unique ways, and that interaction changes over time, but somehow remain rooted in a similarity. Like the constant worship of Don, that we've seen slowly diminish over time.

So to me to introduce this sort of secular waitress character to work as a mirror for Don just felt like a waste of time. There are other relationships Don has that for me would've been more interesting to see him come to any sort of personal realizations with (Particularly with Sally, and also with Peggy, both of whom we've had a bit with, but I'dve liked more).

The last two episodes, last night included, I've really loved. It's been the most back in the office, with the most jumping between characters I know and enjoy.

I really feel like they were trolling the audience last night with Don checking out the window.

[Suguru101]

Other than my intense dislike of the waitress character, I've actually really enjoyed this last season, or half season if you must.

The show for me has always been best when it's webbing these incredibly rich characters together. It's not just that these are such well defined fictional personalities, it's that they interact in these really unique ways, and that interaction changes over time, but somehow remain rooted in a similarity. Like the constant worship of Don, that we've seen slowly diminish over time.

So to me to introduce this sort of secular waitress character to work as a mirror for Don just felt like a waste of time. There are other relationships Don has that for me would've been more interesting to see him come to any sort of personal realizations with (Particularly with Sally, and also with Peggy, both of whom we've had a bit with, but I'dve liked more).

The last two episodes, last night included, I've really loved. It's been the most back in the office, with the most jumping between characters I know and enjoy.

I really feel like they were trolling the audience last night with Don checking out the window.

My heart stopped for a bit. I was about to start sweating. It was real. :oldlol:

I found the conclusion to Joan's storyline a bit rushed. I understood the theme behind it, and it made sense from a character perspective, but i would have liked to see it boil a bit more. Also, her last scene with Roger felt deflating.

Roger and Peggy though, wow. I knew they had chemistry with the amazing scene in which Roger pays her to work on an account over the weekend, but this was really sensible, relatable stuff. It might have been one of the 3 best scenes of the season.

The Peggy walk of swag. My god. :bowdown:

Don is going to throw it all away. This is not for him anymore. At least it feels that way. Whether he finds Diane, or he finds something along the way that grounds him...

I hope Anna's niece makes a return. She's the only remnant of his old life. The only thing left that reminds him he is not Don.

[Suguru101]

http://www.gq.com/style/blogs/the-gq-eye/peggy.jpg

"Started from the bottom NOW WE HERE"



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEImpt3WoAAjfPA.jpg

[Thorpesaurous]

My heart stopped for a bit. I was about to start sweating. It was real. :oldlol:

I found the conclusion to Joan's storyline a bit rushed. I understood the theme behind it, and it made sense from a character perspective, but i would have liked to see it boil a bit more. Also, her last scene with Roger felt deflating.

Roger and Peggy though, wow. I knew they had chemistry with the amazing scene in which Roger pays her to work on an account over the weekend, but this was really sensible, relatable stuff. It might have been one of the 3 best scenes of the season.

The Peggy walk of swag. My god. :bowdown:

Don is going to throw it all away. This is not for him anymore. At least it feels that way. Whether he finds Diane, or he finds something along the way that grounds him...

I hope Anna's niece makes a return. She's the only remnant of his old life. The only thing left that reminds him he is not Don.


My hope has always been that Don and Peggy find salvation in each other. Not romantically, but in their passion for the work. They've always hid their personal issues in the work. They are sort of their truest selves in the work. It in a lot of ways killed Don, but Peggy can still be saved. And I was always hopefull they'd save each other. But it just doesn't seem likely.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Loved the scene where everyone at Mccann was wearing idential clothes,all having coke cans on the table....picking it up at the same time like a bunch of drones

Don's always worked for his identity/seperateness from the others...and this showed everything Don worked against....

Btw did anyone notice Don glancing at the window two or three times...

I still think he'll survive the show though.

[DonDadda59]

Been really enjoying this season. Haven't caught the latest one yet. But that Campbell-MacDonald feud bit was f*cking hilarious. Now that's some 300 year old beef :roll:

You fellas can see me as part of that fan cut project they're doing. Don't know when it's airing but should be later this month on AMC and somewhere online.

[rufuspaul]

You fellas can see me as part of that fan cut project they're doing. Don't know when it's airing but should be later this month on AMC and somewhere online.


:applause: :rockon:

[knickballer]

What makes the show great to me is that symbolism that happens.

Betty studying up on Sigmund Freud when we know Betty had a ****ed up sexual fantast with that neighbor kid the other episode. Maybe it also means that Betty is finally trying to cure her mental illness as Freud was big into that?

Don driving in the mid west, picking up a stranger, driving the wrong way, etc.. Is he driving away to California? Is it symbolic for him running away again and embarking on a new identity(him being that collector that offered the free prize to Diana's family)

But anyways anyone notice the sexual/love tension in the show. Don's secretary seems to be in love with Don and looked very sad when she found out he left again, Don and Joan had that brief moment in the elevator where they looked like they were maybe going to hook up, then there's Don chasing Diana who's just like him in the fact she ran away from her previous life.

Also liked the scene where Peggy walked into McCann like a boss. Looked alot like Stan.

As for the ending I think Don drives to California which was the idea of the "new start". Him driving in the middle of nowhere, picking up a hitchhiker(symbolic for him?), etc, points to him starting a new. I just don't hope he kills himself though. :(

[Joshumitsu]

Finally a good episode.

Don seeing all this shit=Birdman or Being There type ending? Where Don defies reality and just flies off or learns to walk on water?

Or if he does stay in reality, maybe he'll just disappear again and become someone else.

Can't wait for these next two episodes.

[Suguru101]

This is what the endgame of a pantheon series feels like.

This was one for the ages.

[outbreak]

The shows picked up nicely at the end of this season which is good. Before this season it had really slumped for season 5 and 6 to the point of being boring. Glad it's come back strong because the first 4 or so seasons were great.

[ZeN]

Well that was depressing

[Joshumitsu]

The shows picked up nicely at the end of this season which is good. Before this season it had really slumped for season 5 and 6 to the point of being boring. Glad it's come back strong because the first 4 or so seasons were great.

I thought S5 ended great. Honestly, the series could've ended with that shot of Don walking away.

Otherwise, after S5, it's been kind of slow and weak until these past few episodes.

[Thorpesaurous]

I caught up last night, and then read a few re-caps, and honestly my opinion of it is a little all over the place.

Their was some powerful stuff. The Betty stuff was some of the most emotionally tense material the show has done in my opinion. And sprinkling in Pete's reuniting with Trudy was a nice juxtaposition to Don being half a world away while his daughter is consoling her step father over the impending death of her mother. January Jones was incredible. And the character stayed true to herself right down to the letter at the end.

My gripe is mainly that they stalled the McCann Erickson stuff. It may just be a matter of taste, but I've always preferred the dynamic within the offices most about the show. I've noticed since the move to McCann that even that building doesn't feel right. Far too many dark hallways and tucked away offices. None of the open feel and invading light of SCDP. So maybe the interoffice dynamic doesn't exist there the way I want it to anyway. But it's still the thing that I most identify with the show. The family drama, as great as it was, just felt weird in that my relationship as a viewer with Betty at this point just isn't what it is with Roger, Joan, Peggy, etc. And my relationship with Trudy, or my particularly my relationship with Trudy and Pete's relationship, is far more removed than even that with Betty.

Don's continued Visionquest I'm fine with. It's not my favorite thing. But him telling that story in public is a huge deal for the character. And assisting another young vagabond running away from who he is is a natural move. I just sort of wish he was doing it with Peggy or Sally, both trying to get away from their definitions of themselves in relation to him.

So all in all it's hard for me to wrap my head around this one. The good stuff was great. The Betty stuff was great. But I sort of want more resolution for everyone through McCann Erickson.

I like the theory of Don coming home from this trip with one of the iconic Coke tags. Killing it for McCann with Coke. Then just walking away.

[DonDadda59]

I like the theory of Don coming home from this trip with one of the iconic Coke tags. Killing it for McCann with Coke. Then just walking away.

I don't think Don is going back. That episode reminded me of one of my favorite episodes from the first Season, The Hobo Code (https://youtu.be/qMGgs2oSypA?t=25m10s)

Especially Don's interaction with that young con man. I think he's little by little shedding the lie of a life he himself conned and contrived. I wouldn't be surprised if the finale takes place in the future, like a decade+ after this episode... or at least that's how I'd tackle it :D

[Thorpesaurous]

I don't think Don is going back. That episode reminded me of one of my favorite episodes from the first Season, The Hobo Code (https://youtu.be/qMGgs2oSypA?t=25m10s)

Especially Don's interaction with that young con man. I think he's little by little shedding the lie of a life he himself conned and contrived. I wouldn't be surprised if the finale takes place in the future, like a decade+ after this episode... or at least that's how I'd tackle it :D


I really like the idea of jumping forward in time. Even if it's just 6 months or a year. Mostly because like you, I like the idea of Don never coming back. At least not for McCann. But his relationship with Sally is sort of a crux to his character. And with the Betty revelation, if the next episode doesn't show some jump in time, he's going to need to help Sally get through the eventual loss of Betty. I think it's particularly poignant that they showed him talking to Sally on the phone in this episode anyway. Almost like they were reinforcing that even though he's disappeared yet again, he's become grounded to Sally in a way he isn't with anything or anyone else.

[Joshumitsu]

So, yeah, f*ck that sh*t.

For me, the show ended at Season 5 with Don walking off into the night.

[DonDadda59]

I'd have to let it marinate in my mind for a bit and maybe watch the episode one more time... but my initial impressions about the finale were pretty lukewarm. I thought there was a strange sappiness to it that felt out of place. I was literally cringing during the Peggy/Stan soap opera style love in :rolleyes:

I also wasn't expecting every character/story line to be wrapped up so neatly, that was a surprise.

I think the last bit will grow on me with time. I get what they were trying to do- lead us down a path where we think Dick/Don has reached enlightenment and has found inner peace, only to realize it was just Don being Don, using his experience to turn life into advertising dollars. His 'nirvana' moment being used as a basis for Coke's most famous ad campaign (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM). Very cynical, but I did like the execution.

[DonDadda59]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFQlyKgUUAIjPS5.jpg:large

You slick son of a whore, Whitman. :pimp:

[Joshumitsu]

I'd have to let it marinate in my mind for a bit and maybe watch the episode one more time... but my initial impressions about the finale were pretty lukewarm. I thought there was a strange sappiness to it that felt out of place. I was literally cringing during the Peggy/Stan soap opera style love in :rolleyes:

I also wasn't expecting every character/story line to be wrapped up so neatly, that was a surprise.

I think the last bit will grow on me with time. I get what they were trying to do- lead us down a path where we think Dick/Don has reached enlightenment and has found inner peace, only to realize it was just Don being Don, using his experience to turn life into advertising dollars. His 'nirvana' moment being used as a basis for Coke's most famous ad campaign (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM). Very cynical, but I did like the execution.

Agreed with the sappyness and lukewarm feelings.

I personally didn't like the execution though. It was a brilliant, cynical ending in concept but the execution could've been better.

And if you've seen the Sopranos, it's similar. Because in the last few episodes (spoilers) Tony became an even better sociopath because of his therapy sessions rather than the good human being Dr. Melfi thought she could turn him into via therapy. Likewise, these happy feelings Don experiences only serves to make him a better salesman.

It could've used better build up imo.

[DonDadda59]

Agreed with the sappyness and lukewarm feelings.

I personally didn't like the execution though. It was a brilliant, cynical ending in concept but the execution could've been better.

And if you've seen the Sopranos, it's similar. Because in the last few episodes (spoilers) Tony became an even better sociopath because of his therapy sessions rather than the good human being Dr. Melfi thought she could turn him into via therapy. Likewise, these happy feelings Don experiences only serves to make him a better salesman.

It could've used better build up imo.

I don't think Dick was a sociopath like Tony though. He was always conflicted by the choices he made in life, even though overall his original sin led to a very charmed life. Tony realized early on that Dr. Melfi was nothing more than a second consiglieri. Some of his best decisions as a boss came from Melfi, unwittingly of course (ie, her giving him the idea to make Junior the 'boss').

I think his connection with the guy he gave a hug to at the end was very genuine. The guy basically summed up everything that Whitman was feeling- discarded and forgotten by the people he loved and who were supposed to love him. Couldn't have been easy to find out his ex wife was not only dying, but didn't want him around for the end or to have his children live with him.

I think through the cynicism of the ending sequence, there was a silver lining of growth or whatever you want to call it for the character. It may have been a marketing ploy, but it had 'heart' which is what made it such an effective and culturally relevant campaign. Dick may have learned empathy or his version of it anyway and that transferred to his work.

[bballnoob1192]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFQlyKgUUAIjPS5.jpg:large

You slick son of a whore, Whitman. :pimp:
i mean that interpretation is the obvious one that the creator of the show wanted you to get at with the retreat people and the people in the actual coke ads. Also the way he smiled at the end there was so gddamn ambiguous. It was like did he just come up with a genius ad or did he finally find peace away from the industry. I mean you can take it either ways, but i would like to think that he got both. just like Peggy did.

[DonDadda59]

i mean that interpretation is the obvious one that the creator of the show wanted you to get at with the retreat people and the people in the actual coke ads. Also the way he smiled at the end there was so gddamn ambiguous. It was like did he just come up with a genius ad or did he finally find peace away from the industry. I mean you can take it either ways, but i would like to think that he got both. just like Peggy did.

I'm with you on that. Like I said in my last post, I think his 'breakthrough' with the guy he hugged was genuine. But we've seen him seemingly find 'peace' with himself before either through the women in his life, his journal writing/summer man escapade, his hershey presentation breakdown, etc. He's just a wandering soul constantly on the lookout for revelations about himself and other people. He usually uses that to make himself a better ad man.

I think even Stan said something to the effect of 'He always does this, he'll be back'. Just part of his pathology.

[dude77]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM

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[DonDadda59]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VM2eLhvsSM

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http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/04/did-don-draper-create-the-iconic-buy-the-world-a-coke-television-commercial/

[dude77]

http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/04/did-don-draper-create-the-iconic-buy-the-world-a-coke-television-commercial/

lol yeah I saw that .. article called it .. makes sense she would get it from there but the thing is she took it a step further and pinpointed it down to the exact scene .. well done .. unless she's some insider or part of the show ? hmm

[Thorpesaurous]

My father watched it, and we talked about it afterward, and he actually wondered if it was Peggy that came up with the Coke ad. Peggy, finally finding peace, excels professionally in a way beyond anything Don even did. And the way they faded away from her smitten over some piece of work she just did, with Stan looking over her shoulder in support, in a way Don never got, was able to marry her personal and professional success. All while Don was sort of just realizing his personal success.

I don't believe that myself. I think the rye smile was Don, while genuinely trying to find some inner peace, all of a sudden stumbling upon this great ad in his head.


I'm pretty lukewarm overall as well. I wasn't opposed to tieing a bow around everyone. I knew it would feel weird. But I was ok with it. I particularly liked Joan's story, letting the guy walk for the digging of her heels in the sand and fighting some more. I wish Peggy had joined her. The Stan Peggy thing definitely came off a little over the top. Something subtler would've been better in my mind. Some sort of late night drunken hook up, and maybe an awkward office interaction later, and let us guess how things progressed. Certainly would've felt more natural than what we got, which felt more like the advertising stuff we saw over the course of the show.

We got to see some quick Roger to tie things up. I was intrigued by his leaving half his fortune to his son, connected to his speech not long ago about the Sterling name coming to an end.

Pete flying into the Midwest on his private jet. Even Ken Cosgrove getting a tip of the cap.

I also wasn't bothered by the return of Dick Whitman, or his daughter. It felt like part of the story that needed to be touched upon for Don before we left him. But in exchange we got our most important relationships cut up over awkward phone conversations. Don and Sally, Don and Peggy, and to a lesser extent Don and Betty (a lesser relationship in my mind than the other two, and makes me wonder why Don didn't reach out to Megan during this whirlwind of phone calls knowing she's at least in the same state, and his relationship with her was similar to the one with Betty, although the way it left off with her pissed until getting her check and then vamoosing was almost too perfect).

It felt to me like we were going to get Don rushing home and sort of falsely telling work to **** off in a last ditch effort to rescue himself in Sally's eyes. But it's too late. Sally is already fully formed. Maybe Don could've broken down in front of her, and she could've taken Don out and bought him a Coke. Hell they could've brought the real Draper daughter to NY looking for help for whatever while they were at it.

Still a fantastic ride. One of the best TV experiences ever in it's pure character creation.

[DonDadda59]

My father watched it, and we talked about it afterward, and he actually wondered if it was Peggy that came up with the Coke ad. Peggy, finally finding peace, excels professionally in a way beyond anything Don even did. And the way they faded away from her smitten over some piece of work she just did, with Stan looking over her shoulder in support, in a way Don never got, was able to marry her personal and professional success. All while Don was sort of just realizing his personal success.


I'm sure if the story had continued, Peggy would've had a hand in creating the Coke ad. The genesis of it was really interesting and would make for some great Mad Men fodder actually:

https://thisisnotadvertising.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/coca-cola-id-like-to-buy-the-world-a-coke-the-story-of-hilltop/

Apparently the Coke execs weren't crazy about the idea initially and refused to pay for it to be played by radio stations (started out as just the song without the visuals). It looked to be dead on the vine until another creative at McCann-Erickson came up with the idea to pair it with the hilltop 'we are the world' visual. Obviously that would've been Peggy in that universe.

A couple of days before the finale I was watching part of the marathon and had the bright idea to write a fan fiction ending. Didn't do any drafts or even proofread it, just churned it out:

https://www.stage32.com/sites/stage32.com/files/assets/screenplay/373449/screenplay_373449_184576_1431879728.pdf

That was my best attempt at being clever :lol

[Thorpesaurous]

I'm sure if the story had continued, Peggy would've had a hand in creating the Coke ad. The genesis of it was really interesting and would make for some great Mad Men fodder actually:

https://thisisnotadvertising.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/coca-cola-id-like-to-buy-the-world-a-coke-the-story-of-hilltop/

Apparently the Coke execs weren't crazy about the idea initially and refused to pay for it to be played by radio stations (started out as just the song without the visuals). It looked to be dead on the vine until another creative at McCann-Erickson came up with the idea to pair it with the hilltop 'we are the world' visual. Obviously that would've been Peggy in that universe.

A couple of days before the finale I was watching part of the marathon and had the bright idea to write a fan fiction ending. Didn't do any drafts or even proofread it, just churned it out:

https://www.stage32.com/sites/stage32.com/files/assets/screenplay/373449/screenplay_373449_184576_1431879728.pdf

That was my best attempt at being clever :lol


Woulda been fun.

[outbreak]

I was iffy on the ending. I guess it wasn't bad but it didn't give the closure I was hoping for. It also didn't touch on how some characters ended at all.

[Droid101]

That ending was ****ing shit, period. If you try to defend it, you are a piece of shit as well.

**** that.

[johndeeregreen]

An all-time great TV series and a fantastic achievement, but that last episode just underwhelmed me a lot, emotionally, and unfortunately it does lessen the show in my eyes a bit.

Still a great series and am sad to see it go.