Was LeBron Completely Disrespected by the Refs this Season?

[DonDadda59]

Bron stans spent the whole season complaining about how he didn't get the calls he deserved. Now at first I blew this off as the usual stan whining but since the season is virtually done, I decided to look into it a bit. Judging by the #s, turns out they might not have been too far off. But Bron isn't alone. For whatever reason, of the top 5 scorers in the league (Durant, Carmelo, Bron, Love, Harden) 2 stand out as guys who get an exorbitant amount of whistles and FTs. I'm sure you don't need me to tell you who:

*FTR= Free Throw Rate (FTA per FGA)*

Kevin Durant
FGA: 20.6 (6 3PA)
FTA: 9.9
FTR: .481

Carmelo Anthony
FGA: 21.4 (5.4 3PA)
FTA: 7.1
FTR: .330

LeBron James
FGA: 17.6 (4 3PA)
FTA: 7.6
FTR: .432

Kevin Love
FGA: 18.4 (6.5 3PA)
FTA: 7.9
FTR: .432

James Harden
FGA: 16.5 (6.7 3PA)
FTA: 9.1
FTR: .553

So in fact, Bron is not getting the sort of respect he might deserve from the refs but it looks like the zebras equate Melo with dog shit :oldlol:

Turns out he's keenly aware of the blatant disrespect he gets and the favoritism others enjoy:


New York Knicks star Carmelo Anthony, on the discrepancy between the Houston Rockets being awarded 44 free throws and the Knicks 27 during a Rockets victory: "You see how guys get their calls. Me, I've got to get cut. You've got to see blood for me to get a call down there."

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/16/sports/la-sp-nba-quotes-20131117

James Harden's FTr is absurd, especially considering he takes just under 10 FG attempts per game inside of the 3 point line. For a Historical context, if 86-87 Jordan (.427 FTr, virtually identical to Bron now) were getting the same favoritism as Harden, he would've averaged 40 PPG (39.6 to be exact, on 14.8 FTA).

Why are the refs treating this guy like he's basketball's messiah? :biggums:

[Magic731]

Maybe Harden actually gets hit. I dunno. Just a thought. I know it may be hard for some of you to comprehend. But maybe he actually gets fouled. Maybe Durant gets fouled. Maybe Lebron doesn't get fouled as much. Either way to use the refs as an excuse for anything is the weakest piece of shit a sports fan or a player can possibly do.

[Done_And_Done]

All this superstar foul respect is bullocks. Although utopic or idealistic, a foul should be called a foul regardless of who is involved.

With that said, how is shooting nearly 8 shots at the stripe per game equate to being disrespected?

I'm not following your hypothesis here...

[DonDadda59]

Maybe Harden actually gets hit. I dunno. Just a thought. I know it may be hard for some of you to comprehend. But maybe he actually gets fouled. Maybe Durant gets fouled. Maybe Lebron doesn't get fouled as much. Either way to use the refs as an excuse for anything is the weakest piece of shit a sports fan or a player can possibly do.

Believe me when I say I don't have a horse in this race. Just looking at the facts as an unbiased observer. I know for a fact that Bron spends more time in the paint, either on drives or post ups, yet is getting less respect from refs than Harden who takes 41% of his shots beyond the 3. Honestly, the times I've seen him play (same with Durant), I thought he was getting away with very cheap tactics to draw whistles- the rip through move, crashing into defenders, flopping, etc.

But even with all that, a .553 FTr seems ridiculously high. The craziest part is that it's not even the highest, or even second highest rate of his career. He had .587 and .592 in the last 2 consecutive seasons preceding this year.


All this superstar foul respect is bullocks. Although utopic or idealistic, a foul should be called a foul regardless of who is involved.

With that said, how is shooting nearly 8 shots at the stripe per game equate to being disrespected?

I'm not following your hypothesis here...

I don't really have a 'hypothesis', I just laid out the facts. They show that Harden is getting an unusually high rate of FTA, followed by Durant. Both guys are jump shooters, meanwhile a guy like LeBron is getting a considerably lower rate. And poor Melo just can't seem to catch a break.

What's your take on this discrepancy? Is Harden earning the high rate of FTs (or KD for that matter)? Why is the 2nd leading scorer in the league, who is taking less 3s than either Harden or Durant, getting such a pathetically low rate?

[ProfessorMurder]

1. Your 'stat' is wrong. You get free throws on technicals, on and ones, when a player is injured and leaves the game. Claiming FTA is linked to FGA when missed FGs that lead to FTs aren't counted is flawed.

2. You can't prove who was hit more because you don't have the data.

3. You can't tell who had the burden of the team on their backs, and who was intentionally fouled.

[The-Legend-24]

Yes, he doesn't get babied like the MJ's of this world that's for sure.

[DonDadda59]

1. Your 'stat' is wrong. You get free throws on technicals, on and ones, when a player is injured and leaves the game. Claiming FTA is linked to FGA when missed FGs that lead to FTs aren't counted is flawed.

2. You can't prove who was hit more because you don't have the data.

3. You can't tell who had the burden of the team on their backs, and who was intentionally fouled.

How many technicals do teams/players take on average? I have no clue, would appreciate someone showing me that stat.

But even if you disregard volume/raw #s and go by rate, there seems to be a massive discrepancy between certain players. Carmelo takes the technical shots for the Knicks when he's in the game, right? :confusedshrug:


Yes, he doesn't get babied like the MJ's of this world that's for sure.

As I showed above, in Jordan's highest scoring season he was only getting a .427 FTr, which is lower than James' this season. Jordan had a career FTr of .358, James has a career rate of .430.

So it's actually the other way around. If MJ was playing in this era and getting the same 'babying' James gets, he would've scored more than he did in his time, not even worrying the monstrous #s he would've gotten if he was 'babied' Harden/Durant style.

But now that this little History lesson was dispensed, let's try to stay on topic.

[oarabbus]

Maybe Harden actually gets hit. I dunno. Just a thought. I know it may be hard for some of you to comprehend. But maybe he actually gets fouled. Maybe Durant gets fouled. Maybe Lebron doesn't get fouled as much. Either way to use the refs as an excuse for anything is the weakest piece of shit a sports fan or a player can possibly do.


Yeah like Melo doesn't get hit as often or more than Harden :rolleyes:

[JohnFreeman]

Melo get's disrespected the most, dude is a bull in the paint.

[Done_And_Done]

Well Melo and KD are midrange jumpshooters. KD mainly shoots jumpers, he's just adept at drawing contact. Melo is not.


One thing about Harden is, he's either shooting a layup or a 3. So more than half of his game is at the rim.


On LeBron, this guy is 6'8 250. When he gets fouled, refs can't even tell because it's hard to actually knock him off course enough to make it noticeable. Which is why LeBron flops, so he can offset the disadvantage of being strong. All the big strong players go though it. Griffin, Howard, LeBron etc...

That's a fresh take on why Lebron flip flops like a fish out of water.

[chazzy]

Reggie Miller had a higher FTR than MJ. It's not a matter of favoritism, some guys are just better at drawing contact and selling it. Not to mention taking technicals and intentional fts in late game situations - it's usually a guy like Allen for Miami

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Reggie Miller had a higher FTR than MJ. It's not a matter of favoritism, some guys are just better at drawing contact and selling it. Not to mention taking technicals and intentional fts in late game situations - it's usually a guy like Allen for Miami

Agreed.. Long as Durant can get away with his 'swing-through' nonsense, the NBA will continue to reward him with freethrows. Right or wrong :confusedshrug:

[DonDadda59]

Well Melo and KD are midrange jumpshooters. KD mainly shoots jumpers, he's just adept at drawing contact. Melo is not.


One thing about Harden is, he's either shooting a layup or a 3. So more than half of his game is at the rim.


On LeBron, this guy is 6'8 250. When he gets fouled, refs can't even tell because it's hard to actually knock him off course enough to make it noticeable. Which is why LeBron flops, so he can offset the disadvantage of being strong. All the big strong players go though it. Griffin, Howard, LeBron etc...

That makes some sense to me. Back in Shaq's prime, he racked up a lot of FTA, mainly due to the Hack-a-Shaq but he didn't get nearly as much as he should've considering how much physical punishment he endured with players feebly trying to stop him. I figure it's somewhat the same for LeBron seeing as how he's so much bigger and stronger than most guys guarding him. Psychologically/visually guaging contact on Bron might be different than doing the same with a twig like Durant I guess.

[S13M]

How many technicals do teams/players take on average? I have no clue, would appreciate someone showing me that stat.



Couldn't find the stat, but I searched the event finder on BB-reference and Durant has shot 45 technical free throws (excluding yesterdays game) this season.

EDIT: LeBron has 15, but that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Harden with 32.

[russwest0]

Durant is a more skilled player than LeBron. We all know this.

So why would that stop at the FT line, one of the weakest parts of LeBrons game?

[DonDadda59]

Couldn't find the stat, but I searched the event finder on BB-reference and Durant has shot 45 technical free throws (excluding yesterdays game) this season.

EDIT: LeBron has 15, but that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Harden with 32.

So that means Durant is averaging 0.58 Technical FTs/gm this season, Harden 0.44/gm.

Doesn't explain away their high rate of attempts...

[russwest0]

So that means Durant is averaging 0.58 Technical FTs/gm this season, Harden 0.44/gm.

Doesn't explain away their high rate of attempts...

So accounting for technical foul shots AND late game FT attempts when teams have to foul, Durant is getting a clear 1, maybe 2 more FT's a game than LeBron off of that alone?

Plus shooting more shots, PLUS getting more of his shots in the halfcourt where nearly all fouls are committed?

Am I missing something or is this just rocket science to everyone else? :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

So accounting for technical foul shots AND late game FT attempts when teams have to foul, Durant is getting a clear 1, maybe 2 more FT's a game than LeBron off of that alone?

Plus shooting more shots, PLUS getting more of his shots in the halfcourt where nearly all fouls are committed?

Am I missing something or is this just rocket science to everyone else? :oldlol:

Calm down with the Bron vs Servant stuff bruh, I don't give a shit about any of that. And I would assume teams would be more apt to foul someone like LeBron as opposed to KD given their FT%

The extremely low percentage of technical FTs compared to total clearly doesn't explain the discrepancy in FTr.

[Keno]

beyond pathetic on how babied durant and harden are compared to melo and lebron who get bullied and still don't get a call. just today vs. the pacers durant was getting some of the most ****ed up calls, melo and lebron would never get.

[J Shuttlesworth]

LeBron is normally the guy to take technical FTs on the Heat too. Only if Allen is in will he take it. Besides, how often are technical FTs taken anyway?

Edit: Just saw the post

[russwest0]

This reminds me of owning some aj1987 kid who claimed "most of LeBrons shots were at the rim" and that "you can't get more FT's shooting more jumpers," yet I directed him to two season ago where 70% of LeBrons shots were jumpers and he got more FT's than he has today on 62% of his shots being jumpers.

Hilarious how yall don't understand how variables like technical foul shots, late game situations, taking more shots, taking more of your shots in the halfcourt, more of your actual jumpshots being 3s than the average player, ect, all add up to shooting more FT's.

Yup, I guess it is just rocket science to some of yall. :lol

[S13M]

Interesting stat. LeBron has 41 FTA in the 4th quarter with less than 3 minutes left while being up by 5 points or less. Durant on the other hand has 25 such attempts.

4th quarter FTA: Durant 168, LeBron 161

Free throw rate in the 4th: LeBron 0.588, Durant 0.501, Harden 0.683

[J Shuttlesworth]

This reminds me of owning some aj1987 kid who claimed "most of LeBrons shots were at the rim" and that "you can't get more FT's shooting more jumpers," yet I directed him to two season ago where 70% of LeBrons shots were jumpers and he got more FT's than he has today on 62% of his shots being jumpers.

Hilarious how yall don't understand how variables like technical foul shots, late game situations, taking more shots, taking more of your shots in the halfcourt, more of your actual jumpshots being 3s than the average player, ect, all add up to shooting more FT's.

Yup, I guess it is just rocket science to some of yall. :lol
lol it's not just LeBron. Harden and Durant are lightyears ahead of the league in free throws. LeBron scores in the fast break and in the paint far more often than Durant, and that's where most of the fouls occur. You can cherry pick from a couple seasons ago, but this thread is about this season. It doesn't make sense for Durant to get the same amount of FTs as Jordan considering Jordan would play much more in the post and driving to the paint. It also goes beyond stat sheets and just watching the game. You see Durant get whistles that I don't see anyone else get. Even Harden earns most of his whistles. Then we see plays like Ibaka breaking Bron's nose w/ no call, and Plumlees block (not a foul, but would have been called if it were Durant or Harden).

[DonDadda59]

This reminds me of owning some aj1987 kid who claimed "most of LeBrons shots were at the rim" and that "you can't get more FT's shooting more jumpers," yet I directed him to two season ago where 70% of LeBrons shots were jumpers and he got more FT's than he has today on 62% of his shots being jumpers.

Hilarious how yall don't understand how variables like technical foul shots, late game situations, taking more shots, taking more of your shots in the halfcourt, more of your actual jumpshots being 3s than the average player, ect, all add up to shooting more FT's.

Yup, I guess it is just rocket science to some of yall. :lol

:facepalm

See the post above. There goes your 'late game' nonsense. And we already covered technicals. Again, none of your rambling explains away the massive discrepancy in FTr in say Melo/Harden's case. But obviously you came in guns blazing to argue servant > bron when it's not even that kind of thread.

Calm down and get some sleep.


Interesting stat. LeBron has 41 FTA in the 4th quarter with less than 3 minutes left while being up by 5 points or less. Durant on the other hand has 25 such attempts.

4th quarter FTA: Durant 168, LeBron 161

Free throw rate in the 4th: LeBron 0.588, Durant 0.501


Thanks for the info, really answered some questions I had :applause:

[aj1987]

This reminds me of owning some aj1987 kid who claimed "most of LeBrons shots were at the rim" and that "you can't get more FT's shooting more jumpers," yet I directed him to two season ago where 70% of LeBrons shots were jumpers and he got more FT's than he has today on 62% of his shots being jumpers.
The only thing you own is medication for being a retard.

I was comparing KD to LeBron. LeBron shoots about 65% on jumpshots and KD is at 80%. Still, KD manages to get to the line more than LeBron. I don't think I have seen anyone shoot FT's on 3's as much as KD.

[russwest0]

The only thing you own is medication for being a retard.

I was comparing KD to LeBron. LeBron shoots about 65% on jumpshots and KD is at 80%. Still, KD manages to get to the line more than LeBron. I don't think I have seen anyone shoot FT's on 3's as much as KD.

Dig up the thread boy, I owned the shit outta of you :lol :lol :lol

[aj1987]

Dig up the thread boy, I owned the shit outta of you :lol :lol :lol
Like you owned me by having a meltdown in the Wade vs Dirk thread?

[russwest0]

I don't see you digging up shit bitch :lol

[aj1987]

I don't see you digging up shit bitch :lol
I don't even remember that thread. Since you brought it up and seem to remember being a dumbass so well, post the link.

As I said earlier, KD shoots an ton more on jump shots than LeBron. He also gets "fouled" on more 3 pointers than anyone else.

EDIT: This season, KD has 35% of his total shots at the rim. LeBron is at 56%.

[sportjames23]

Yes, he doesn't get babied like the MJ's of this world that's for sure.


This dumbass here. :facepalm

[sportjames23]

As I showed above, in Jordan's highest scoring season he was only getting a .427 FTr, which is lower than James' this season. Jordan had a career FTr of .358, James has a career rate of .430.

So it's actually the other way around. If MJ was playing in this era and getting the same 'babying' James gets, he would've scored more than he did in his time, not even worrying the monstrous #s he would've gotten if he was 'babied' Harden/Durant style.

But now that this little History lesson was dispensed, let's try to stay on topic.


And this ether here. :cheers:

[AintNoSunshine]

Crooked azz refs ain't stopping LeGod, check last year's Finals:bowdown:

[INDI]

Lebrons game is similar to westbrook when it comes to attacking. They both attack the rim extremely hard and forces contact. The style they use forces the refs to swallow the whistle alot or a foul would be called on every drive attempt.

have Lebron fans ever thought of it the other way around. What if instead of the defensive that yall want, Lebron was called for the offensive? Yes it is mainly up to the defensive player to avoid the contact but the way lebron plays it is impossible unless they just let him lay it up

[hahaitme]

Maybe Harden actually gets hit. I dunno. Just a thought. I know it may be hard for some of you to comprehend. But maybe he actually gets fouled. Maybe Durant gets fouled. Maybe Lebron doesn't get fouled as much. Either way to use the refs as an excuse for anything is the weakest piece of shit a sports fan or a player can possibly do.

Man you can spin this shit however you want it, but if you actually watch games you'd know you were wrong.

Hell I don't even like Melo but it's so ****in obvious the refs hate the poor nigckin

As for Harden, that guy draws himself up plays to get fouled I guarantee it. He runs in there prepping for the layup and he's probably thinking "how can I get bumped"
Total legal, and it's not rigged, it's just a very unlikeable way to play, IMO.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Bron stans spent the whole season complaining about how he didn't get the calls he deserved. Now at first I blew this off as the usual stan whining but since the season is virtually done, I decided to look into it a bit. Judging by the #s, turns out they might not have been too far off. But Bron isn't alone. For whatever reason, of the top 5 scorers in the league (Durant, Carmelo, Bron, Love, Harden) 2 stand out as guys who get an exorbitant amount of whistles and FTs. I'm sure you don't need me to tell you who:

*FTR= Free Throw Rate (FTA per FGA)*

Kevin Durant
FGA: 20.6 (6 3PA)
FTA: 9.9
FTR: .481

Carmelo Anthony
FGA: 21.4 (5.4 3PA)
FTA: 7.1
FTR: .330

LeBron James
FGA: 17.6 (4 3PA)
FTA: 7.6
FTR: .432

Kevin Love
FGA: 18.4 (6.5 3PA)
FTA: 7.9
FTR: .432

James Harden
FGA: 16.5 (6.7 3PA)
FTA: 9.1
FTR: .553

So in fact, Bron is not getting the sort of respect he might deserve from the refs but it looks like the zebras equate Melo with dog shit :oldlol:

Turns out he's keenly aware of the blatant disrespect he gets and the favoritism others enjoy:


New York Knicks star Carmelo Anthony, on the discrepancy between the Houston Rockets being awarded 44 free throws and the Knicks 27 during a Rockets victory: "You see how guys get their calls. Me, I've got to get cut. You've got to see blood for me to get a call down there."

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/16/sports/la-sp-nba-quotes-20131117

James Harden's FTr is absurd, especially considering he takes just under 10 FG attempts per game inside of the 3 point line. For a Historical context, if 86-87 Jordan (.427 FTr, virtually identical to Bron now) were getting the same favoritism as Harden, he would've averaged 40 PPG (39.6 to be exact, on 14.8 FTA).

Why are the refs treating this guy like he's basketball's messiah? :biggums:
because the NBA is thirsty for stars and HArden wouldnt even be top 30 without all these ridiculous calls. hegets about 6 undeserved BS calls each game:facepalm
And yes LeBron was totally, and completely, absolutely shit on by the refs. he attacked the rim all season and was most athletic since he joined Miami yet got only 7,6 FTA per game. that number is so ridiculous when you see that Hardens unathletic ass shot 150 more FT this season or when Durants jump shooting ass averages 3 more for the season.
LeBron should always shoot like 2 more per game than Durant and thats generous torwards Durant.
durant gets calls just because hes so skinny, thats not fair.
LeBron got his nose broken twice on one play but unlike Durant still dunked it and still didnt get the call. i could literally hear his bone crush while watching it. thats the difference between the two and summed up the whole season.
that being said it got a little better in the end of the season, i hope that carries on in the playoffs:coleman:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Lebrons game is similar to westbrook when it comes to attacking. They both attack the rim extremely hard and forces contact. The style they use forces the refs to swallow the whistle alot or a foul would be called on every drive attempt.

have Lebron fans ever thought of it the other way around. What if instead of the defensive that yall want, Lebron was called for the offensive? Yes it is mainly up to the defensive player to avoid the contact but the way lebron plays it is impossible unless they just let him lay it up
shut the fck up. lebron only attacks the bodies of center regulary and they are nearly always moving,too

[Awkrewen]

I like how you picked the top five scorers instead of the top ten.

Keven Durant

FTA 9.92
FGA 20.7
FTR .479

Carmelo Anthony

FTA 7.03
FGA 21.34
FTR .329

Lebron James

FTA 7.6
FGA 17.57
FTR .433

Kevin Love

FTA 7.95
FGA 18.38
FTR .433

James Harden

FTA 9.12
FGA 16.51
FTR .552

Blake Griffin

FTA 8.46
FGA 16.99
FTR .498

Stephen Curry

FTA 3.88
FGA 17.54
FTR .221

LaMarcus Aldridge

FTA 5.25
FGA 20.59
FTR .255

DeMar DeRozan

FTA 8
FGA 17.97
FTR .445

DeMarcus Cousins

FTA 8.31
FGA 16.71
FTR 4.97


Melo should just be happy he is not Curry or Aldridge.

Top three

Harden
Griffin
Cousins

Bottom 3

Aldridge
Curry
Melo

Middle of the pack

Durant
DeRozan
James
Love

[Nash]

I think drives to the basket and FTA should be somewhere in there, which would make the Harden and Durant numbers even more ridiculous.

[STATUTORY]

Believe me when I say I don't have a horse in this race. Just looking at the facts as an unbiased observer. I know for a fact that Bron spends more time in the paint, either on drives or post ups, yet is getting less respect from refs than Harden who takes 41% of his shots beyond the 3. Honestly, the times I've seen him play (same with Durant), I thought he was getting away with very cheap tactics to draw whistles- the rip through move, crashing into defenders, flopping, etc.

But even with all that, a .553 FTr seems ridiculously high. The craziest part is that it's not even the highest, or even second highest rate of his career. He had .587 and .592 in the last 2 consecutive seasons preceding this year.



I don't really have a 'hypothesis', I just laid out the facts. They show that Harden is getting an unusually high rate of FTA, followed by Durant. Both guys are jump shooters, meanwhile a guy like LeBron is getting a considerably lower rate. And poor Melo just can't seem to catch a break.

What's your take on this discrepancy? Is Harden earning the high rate of FTs (or KD for that matter)? Why is the 2nd leading scorer in the league, who is taking less 3s than either Harden or Durant, getting such a pathetically low rate?

OKC school of ball

[sd3035]

Lebron has always been babied by the refs, the NBA was seeking a new icon, but it didn't work. Maybe Durant will start getting calls next year since the Lebron experiment has clearly failed

[AnaheimLakers24]

that homo was literally allowed to run across court tthrowing temper tantrums, whine and cry, hang on rims, throw balls at refs an just be gay in general.

id say he was protected more than any player in existence

[sd3035]

that homo was literally allowed to run across court tthrowing temper tantrums, whine and cry, hang on rims, throw balls at refs an just be gay in general.

id say he was protected more than any player in existence

True, if Durant even looks at the refs after a BS call, he gets T'd up

[aj1987]

True, if Durant even looks at the refs after a BS call, he gets T'd up
Dude was complaining in the freaking ASG. If he got T'd up for every call like you said, have would have over 30 T's for the season. Face it, dude, you stan a dude who gets babied like no other.

[BoutPractice]

Playing styles matter. It's logical that a Harden would get more free throws than a Melo (although probably not this many... just going by the eye test, a lot of the calls he gets are questionable).

However, this is precisely why LeBron's treatment is a bit puzzling: he should be the kind of player that gets a lot of free throws. So in this sense the fans are right... but we should assume there's no intent or conspiracy behind it.

In fact, it probably happens unconsciously. It's more about how particular plays look in the moment than deliberate decisions. LeBron's athleticism and abilities play to his disadvantage: he is uncommonly strong and skilled at finishing after contact. Contact seems to affect him a lot less than other players - frequently when he's at full speed it seems not to affect him at all - so refs don't bother to give him the call. They assume he'll finish anyway, and very often he does. Besides, LeBron too knows he can finish through contact: contrary to Harden, he prefers to devote his energy to finishing the play than selling the foul.

In contrast to LeBron, Durant plays a less physical game and is much more vulnerable to contact. The same contact that barely affects LeBron is the difference between a made and a missed shot for Durant. Refs can see this impact, anyone can see it, and therefore they'll be more inclined to give him the call.

[Droid101]

LeBron drives for the kick out, not for the foul.

Also, many of his points are uncontested layups/dunks on fast breaks.

These numbers are not surprising in the least, as long as you actually watch him play basketball and not box score lurk.

[pegasus]

LeBron drives for the kick out, not for the foul.

Also, many of his points are uncontested layups/dunks on fast breaks.

These numbers are not surprising in the least, as long as you actually watch him play basketball and not box score lurk.

This. Plus he gets more than enough "respect" for very rarely getting called for an offensive foul when he pushes his defenders off or bulldozes over them.

[Pointguard]

Mello mixes his game up much more than any other player. He gets his defender off balance moreso than any other player. Its like the league hates the post up game and won't reward you for attempting it. If there is ever a series with Mello and Durant in it the league would have to explain the two different set of rules. Its the most outrageous dscrepancy in the game.

[Frozen1]

League is trying to manufacture a new SG, because they know wade and kobe will not be playing for long, and there is no talent at the SG position between these two.

So they are creating the next star SG, James Harden.

[DonDadda59]

I like how you picked the top five scorers instead of the top ten.



And what exactly do you think you're proving by posting the top 10? :confusedshrug:

If anything, you just further proved the point. Curry is mainly a jump shooter (only 25% of his shots are in the paint), hence you'd expect him to have a low FTr because he's not known for drives, post ups, etc. And that's exactly what we see here. And guys who play closer to the basket (Cousins, Blake) and who are known for their power game are getting the rate you'd expect. Still nowhere remotely in the neighborhood of Harden though.

So again... what exactly did you think you were accomplishing?

[WindmiLL]

Playing styles matter. It's logical that a Harden would get more free throws than a Melo (although probably not this many... just going by the eye test, a lot of the calls he gets are questionable).

However, this is precisely why LeBron's treatment is a bit puzzling: he should be the kind of player that gets a lot of free throws. So in this sense the fans are right... but we should assume there's no intent or conspiracy behind it.

In fact, it probably happens unconsciously. It's more about how particular plays look in the moment than deliberate decisions. LeBron's athleticism and abilities play to his disadvantage: he is uncommonly strong and skilled at finishing after contact. Contact seems to affect him a lot less than other players - frequently when he's at full speed it seems not to affect him at all - so refs don't bother to give him the call. They assume he'll finish anyway, and very often he does. Besides, LeBron too knows he can finish through contact: contrary to Harden, he prefers to devote his energy to finishing the play than selling the foul.

In contrast to LeBron, Durant plays a less physical game and is much more vulnerable to contact. The same contact that barely affects LeBron is the difference between a made and a missed shot for Durant. Refs can see this impact, anyone can see it, and therefore they'll be more inclined to give him the call.


One of rare good posts in this thread

[Dresta]

Interesting stat. LeBron has 41 FTA in the 4th quarter with less than 3 minutes left while being up by 5 points or less. Durant on the other hand has 25 such attempts.

4th quarter FTA: Durant 168, LeBron 161

Free throw rate in the 4th: LeBron 0.588, Durant 0.501, Harden 0.683
:lol

That guy is a ****ing joke.

[Droid101]

This. Plus he gets more than enough "respect" for very rarely getting called for an offensive foul when he pushes his defenders off or bulldozes over them.
Also, he never shoots technicals. It's Wade or Ray Allen who does so.

[Trollsmasher]

Also, he never shoots technicals. It's Wade or Ray Allen who does so.
This really shows how retarded you are:lol

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Also, he never shoots technicals. It's Wade or Ray Allen who does so.
this is the moment you should realize you just went full retard

[J Shuttlesworth]

Also, he never shoots technicals. It's Wade or Ray Allen who does so.
Damn every time you post about the heat, it's clear you don't watch the games

[SCdac]

In fact, it probably happens unconsciously. It's more about how particular plays look in the moment than deliberate decisions. LeBron's athleticism and abilities play to his disadvantage: he is uncommonly strong and skilled at finishing after contact. Contact seems to affect him a lot less than other players - frequently when he's at full speed it seems not to affect him at all - so refs don't bother to give him the call. They assume he'll finish anyway, and very often he does. Besides, LeBron too knows he can finish through contact: contrary to Harden, he prefers to devote his energy to finishing the play than selling the foul.

No doubt.

Harden and Durant have become experts at selling fouls, or trying to.... when somebody like Lebron would have absorbed the contact without flinching or is just stronger in the paint ... every player flops here and there (Lebron definitely), but some players take it to the next level in terms of that visual aspect of fouls you mention (ie. cocking the head back, flailing, etc).

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2014/03/no_foul_with_the_ref_looking_right_at_him.gif

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--VRTmxo5HOQ/Ux0YWErWNxI/AAAAAAAADqM/ybTKfhu8N7M/s1600/2.gif

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/34/files/2013/11/harden-flop-warning.gif

[ILLsmak]

LeBron drives for the kick out, not for the foul.

Also, many of his points are uncontested layups/dunks on fast breaks.

These numbers are not surprising in the least, as long as you actually watch him play basketball and not box score lurk.

yepppppp

-Smak

[Solefade]

Damn every time you post about the heat, it's clear you don't watch the games


lol i was thinking the exact same thing, this niqqa watches none of the heat games

[Solefade]

LeBron drives for the kick out, not for the foul.

Also, many of his points are uncontested layups/dunks on fast breaks.

These numbers are not surprising in the least, as long as you actually watch him play basketball and not box score lurk.


the irony of this post

[russwest0]

LeBron drives for the kick out, not for the foul.

Also, many of his points are uncontested layups/dunks on fast breaks.

These numbers are not surprising in the least, as long as you actually watch him play basketball and not box score lurk.

Pretty much this.

[DonDadda59]

Playoffs Updates...

Kevin Durant- 28 PPG (40% FG) on 25 FGA/7.8 FTA (.312 FTr)
James Harden- 25 PPG (35% FG) on 23.6 FGA/7.6 FTA (.322 FTr)
LeBron James- 30 PPG (56% FG) on 17.5 FGA/11 FTA (.629 FTr)

Look what happens when the refs cut down on the nonsense soft calls. Weak ass Durant and 2 dimensional ass Harden getting severely exposed. Meanwhile, Bron's getting his Aretha Franklin (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVOQOK9L8uk) on.

Hopefully this is a sign of things to come in the Silver regime. No more manufactured stars :applause:

[Keno]

lebron has earned most if not all of his calls. driving to the hole, got clearly fouled multiple times on 3 point attempts. some of the bobcats players didn't even know how to defend him so they intentional fouled.

[edrick]

I think most people knew that Durant wouldn't get the same treatment during the playoffs. Also, fouls that are committed during the playoffs tend to be harder, which means it becomes more obvious that Lebron is being fouled when he's driving.

[Trollsmasher]

lebron has earned most if not all of his calls. driving to the hole, got clearly fouled multiple times on 3 point attempts. some of the bobcats players didn't even know how to defend him so they intentional fouled.
The amount of completly dumb fouls on three pointers by them was just lol. Henderson especially was very keen on gifting LeBron some free throw love:lol

His ftr will certainly go down, but we are finally seeing justice and Durant & Harden getting exposed:applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

Playoffs Updates...

Kevin Durant- 28 PPG (40% FG) on 25 FGA/7.8 FTA (.312 FTr)
James Harden- 25 PPG (35% FG) on 23.6 FGA/7.6 FTA (.322 FTr)
LeBron James- 30 PPG (56% FG) on 17.5 FGA/11 FTA (.629 FTr)

Look what happens when the refs cut down on the nonsense soft calls. Weak ass Durant and 2 dimensional ass Harden getting severely exposed. Meanwhile, Bron's getting his Aretha Franklin (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVOQOK9L8uk) on.

Hopefully this is a sign of things to come in the Silver regime. No more manufactured stars :applause:

:rockon: :applause:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

What I'm getting from this is that without the refs, Durant is a glorified James Harden.

[Hoopz2332]

What I'm getting from this is that without the refs, Durant is a glorified James Harden.


Durant got his 15 ft's last night and guess what? His eff looked better:lol

[Hoopz2332]

Where would Durant like his boy Harden be w/o FT's?

http://i.imgur.com/fGJYNbo.png


http://i.imgur.com/OeeCWaT.png


http://i.imgur.com/FosZHIL.png


:oldlol:

[sd3035]

Lebron's entire career is built on ref help

[Flash31]

Where would Durant like his boy Harden be w/o FT's?

http://i.imgur.com/fGJYNbo.png


http://i.imgur.com/OeeCWaT.png


http://i.imgur.com/FosZHIL.png


:oldlol:


That's just yeah KD and Harden Top 5 in FtA
NOT in Top 20 of FGM
Disgusting

LJ top 5 in FGM%,TS%,EFG%---200 less FTA than KD

But Damn
Wade in Top 10 and only Guard in Top 20 FGM%
And Harden NOWHERE to be SEEN

EFG%,FGM% Harden NOpe
TS%,FTA near the Top WTF?
Disgusting

[Flash31]

:biggums: WHERE THE heck is Dwight with getting these calls? He gets hacked more than anybody.


If refs want to call it great for LeBron they should for Dwight too.

LeBron rarely get calls but certain times he gets a lot

but Dwight well has to deal with James "I had more FtA than Dwight and hog the ball and get "THE REF Calls" Harden

And besides that Harden and Dwight Are TOP 5 in FtA
just in po Harden is doing Harden

[Hakeem>Duncan]

Bron stans spent the whole season complaining about how he didn't get the calls he deserved. Now at first I blew this off as the usual stan whining but since the season is virtually done, I decided to look into it a bit. Judging by the #s, turns out they might not have been too far off. But Bron isn't alone. For whatever reason, of the top 5 scorers in the league (Durant, Carmelo, Bron, Love, Harden) 2 stand out as guys who get an exorbitant amount of whistles and FTs. I'm sure you don't need me to tell you who:

*FTR= Free Throw Rate (FTA per FGA)*

Kevin Durant
FGA: 20.6 (6 3PA)
FTA: 9.9
FTR: .481

Carmelo Anthony
FGA: 21.4 (5.4 3PA)
FTA: 7.1
FTR: .330

LeBron James
FGA: 17.6 (4 3PA)
FTA: 7.6
FTR: .432

Kevin Love
FGA: 18.4 (6.5 3PA)
FTA: 7.9
FTR: .432

James Harden
FGA: 16.5 (6.7 3PA)
FTA: 9.1
FTR: .553

So in fact, Bron is not getting the sort of respect he might deserve from the refs but it looks like the zebras equate Melo with dog shit :oldlol:

Turns out he's keenly aware of the blatant disrespect he gets and the favoritism others enjoy:


New York Knicks star Carmelo Anthony, on the discrepancy between the Houston Rockets being awarded 44 free throws and the Knicks 27 during a Rockets victory: "You see how guys get their calls. Me, I've got to get cut. You've got to see blood for me to get a call down there."

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/16/sports/la-sp-nba-quotes-20131117

James Harden's FTr is absurd, especially considering he takes just under 10 FG attempts per game inside of the 3 point line. For a Historical context, if 86-87 Jordan (.427 FTr, virtually identical to Bron now) were getting the same favoritism as Harden, he would've averaged 40 PPG (39.6 to be exact, on 14.8 FTA).

Why are the refs treating this guy like he's basketball's messiah? :biggums:
cause he is a flopper

[aj1987]

cause he is a flopper
Oh yeah, KD and Harden aren't, right?

Why are you still allowed to post? It's pretty obvious that you're a troll and an alt.

[dannywpt]

It's probably because you don't earn their respect by pulling shit like this in the finals

http://notsportscenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/LeBronMavsFlop.gif

[aj1987]

It's probably because you don't earn their respect by pulling shit like this in the finals
Nope, but apparently you can get 15 FT't because you're KD. Not to mention Z-Bo's suspension. Absolutely disgusting.

[airchibundo507]

Playoffs Updates...

Kevin Durant- 28 PPG (40% FG) on 25 FGA/7.8 FTA (.312 FTr)
James Harden- 25 PPG (35% FG) on 23.6 FGA/7.6 FTA (.322 FTr)
LeBron James- 30 PPG (56% FG) on 17.5 FGA/11 FTA (.629 FTr)

Look what happens when the refs cut down on the nonsense soft calls. Weak ass Durant and 2 dimensional ass Harden getting severely exposed. Meanwhile, Bron's getting his Aretha Franklin (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVOQOK9L8uk) on.

Hopefully this is a sign of things to come in the Silver regime. No more manufactured stars :applause:

Harden and Durant getting Melo treatment in the playoffs. At least Melo can shoot 45% without 10+ free throws lol