Greatest playoff performer not named MJ

[sportjames23]

Aiight, who you got after MJ as the greatest, most clutch playoff performer in NBA history?

[The-Legend-24]

LeBron > MJ in both RS and Playoffs.

[sportjames23]

LeBron > MJ in both RS and Playoffs.

Reported, for such idiocy.

[Angel Face]

LeBron > MJ in both RS and Playoffs.

:oldlol:

Rest in Piss!

[sportjames23]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[swagga]

one can argue both larry and magic as being greater playoffs performers, taking into account that they did go against the super stacked 80s teams.

[Milbuck]

For consistency, I might have to go with Duncan. But pure dominance? Shaq, and it's not even close.

Bird, Kareem, and Magic are up there as well, all 3 are a great mix of dominance/longevity.

[Im Still Ballin]

Lebron/Shaq/Kobe/Dirk/Duncan

[fpliii]

lol weak trolling with the clearly/definitely stuff.

Carry on...

[Andrei89]

Dirk, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Bird, Magic, Wade as well god damn the fk!!. Basically top 10 GOATS.

[aj1987]

Dirk, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Bird, Magic. Basically top 10 GOATS.
You have Dirk in your top 10?

[Andrei89]

You have Dirk in your top 10?


Nah, not Dirkules. Top 10 GOAT playoffs performer though :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Jlamb47]

Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Bird

[Demitri98]

Magic, and Bird being a close 2nd.

[T_L_P]

Duncan, Shaq, Magic, Bird, Kareem.

Pretty much everybody you'd expect.

[tmacattack33]

Nah, not Dirkules. Top 10 GOAT playoffs performer though :bowdown: :bowdown:

*** outta here. He had one good playoff run. Before that he was a playoff choker.

[ABfor3]

Duncan, Shaq, Magic, Bird, Kareem.

Pretty much everybody you'd expect.
/thread

[fpliii]

*** outta here. He had one good playoff run. Before that he was a playoff choker.
How do you figure, taking into account the entirety of his postseason career?

[Jailblazers7]

Magic choked away an NBA Finals to the Celtics and gets a free pass because he had a great playoff career outside of that series.

Lebron chokes away an NBA Finals and gets labeled a beta loser despite averaging a career 28/8.6/6.7 in the playoffs and having the greatest post Jordan playoff moments.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Dirk, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Bird, Magic, Wade as well god damn the fk!!. Basically top 10 GOATS.
http://cdn.niketalk.com/2/2f/350x700px-LL-2ff5111e_michael-jordan-laughing.gif
on topic:LeBron, Magic,Bird and Kareem have all been better:applause:

[DirkNowitzki07]

:wtf:
*** outta here. He had one good playoff run. Before that he was a playoff choker.

Averages 25ppg and 10rpg in the playoffs

Along side Hakeem Olajuwon, Bob Pettit, and Elgin Baylor.

Has scored 30pts in 14 elimination games in his career, tied with Jerry West for most all time.

of the top 100 elimination game performances in the last 20 years, Dirk has had the best performances in 8 of them, more than any other player in the NBA in that same time period.

What a choker!

[Harison]

Hardly anyone mentioning Hakeem, seriously? He had fantastic performances, outplayed Shaq, Bird, Magic, Robinson, etc.

[cos88]

Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Bird

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/AduxJ.gif

[tmacattack33]

:wtf:

Averages 25ppg and 10rpg in the playoffs

Along side Hakeem Olajuwon, Bob Pettit, and Elgin Baylor.

Has scored 30pts in 14 elimination games in his career, tied with Jerry West for most all time.

of the top 100 elimination game performances in the last 20 years, Dirk has had the best performances in 8 of them, more than any other player in the NBA in that same time period.

What a choker!

I'm talking about 2006 Finals against Miami, giving up a 2-0 lead or whatever it was. 2008 first round against G- State in the biggest playoff upset this millenium. In 2007 they got bounced early too.

Additionally, all throughout the 2007-2009 period they had great regular season records and couldn't get anywhere.

And I believe they had the best regular season record since the Jordan/Pippen/Rodman Bulls had their GOAT 72-10 year. But they still lost early in the playoffs.

And you listed absolute stats...not averages. So the reason Dirk has many great elimination games is becauuse he was in so many of them, not necessarily because he always did well in them.

[creepingdeath]

And you listed absolute stats...not averages. So the reason Dirk has many great elimination games is becauuse he was in so many of them, not necessarily because he always did well in them.

Dirk Nowitzki Elimination Game Averages:
28.4 PPG, 10.9 RPG, 2.8 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 1.8 TPG, 48.4 FG%, 41.9 3PT%, 90.7 FT%

http://i53.tinypic.com/2mfdvsg.gif

[J Shuttlesworth]

LeBron, Dirk, Kobe (aside from finals), Duncan

[Solefade]

Magic choked away an NBA Finals to the Celtics and gets a free pass because he had a great playoff career outside of that series.

Lebron chokes away an NBA Finals and gets labeled a beta loser despite averaging a career 28/8.6/6.7 in the playoffs and having the greatest post Jordan playoff moments.


this

[Solefade]

hakeem shaq and lebron are some of the top playoff performers outside of MJ

lebron has a top 3 playoff performance of all time (2012 gm6 ecf)

[ArbitraryWater]

one can argue both larry and magic as being greater playoffs performers, taking into account that they did go against the super stacked 80s teams.

Larry BWAHAHAHAHAH guy who had 4 good post-season runs in his career.. Nobody should name Bird as a great playoff performer.

Its Kareem, Shaq, LeBron, Duncan, Dirk...

[ArbitraryWater]

For consistency, I might have to go with Duncan. But pure dominance? Shaq, and it's not even close.

Bird, Kareem, and Magic are up there as well, all 3 are a great mix of dominance/longevity.

How could you have Bird or Magic in for great longevity?

[Cone]

*** outta here. He had one good playoff run. Before that he was a playoff choker.

you're ****ing retarded

dirk is def one of the goat playoff performers. and the goat game 7 performer

[tontoz]

I'm talking about 2006 Finals against Miami, giving up a 2-0 lead or whatever it was. 2008 first round against G- State in the biggest playoff upset this millenium. In 2007 they got bounced early too.

Additionally, all throughout the 2007-2009 period they had great regular season records and couldn't get anywhere.

And I believe they had the best regular season record since the Jordan/Pippen/Rodman Bulls had their GOAT 72-10 year. But they still lost early in the playoffs.

And you listed absolute stats...not averages. So the reason Dirk has many great elimination games is becauuse he was in so many of them, not necessarily because he always did well in them.


:coleman:


Dirk's career playoff averages are 26/10 with a TS of 58.4%. What part of this do you not understand?

[Cold soul]

Magic, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe.

[Andrei89]

Kobe?


LOLd :roll: :roll: :roll:

[jlip]

Wrong thread.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

its LJ, not MJ

common typo tho

[Heavincent]

Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Magic, Bird, Kareem.

[sportjames23]

its LJ, not MJ

common typo tho


This is why our education system is failing. :facepalm

[Big#50]

Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Dirk, Hakeem, Kobe, Wade. DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE OLD TIMES.

[DonDadda59]

LeBron > MJ in both RS and Playoffs.


its LJ, not MJ

common typo tho

Looks like Nike's been confiscating LeBron's embarrassing game tape again.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1240935/men-in-black-o.gif

[smoovegittar]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
:oldlol:

Rest in Piss!

[swagga]

Larry BWAHAHAHAHAH guy who had 4 good post-season runs in his career.. Nobody should name Bird as a great playoff performer.

Its Kareem, Shaq, LeBron, Duncan, Dirk...

agree on all guys,dirk is severly underrated. But disagree on the bird stuff, dude had 6 very deep runs another 2-3 good runs, all on great contribution from him so I'd be unfair to not add him to this.

Also magic should be on that list and hakeem (bad teams drags him imo, but he did drop alot of crazy statlines)

[Marchesk]

How is Mr. Clutch not getting any love? Didn't he average 30 over nine freaking finals? Wasn't his playoff average 2 points higher than his regular season average? Raised his game like Mike did.

[kshutts1]

Has to be Duncan. I just started a Dynasty in NBA Live '06, and my front court is Duncan and Howard. I won the title, and Duncan averaged 31/12/3/3/2. Clearly the second best after MJ.

[The-Legend-24]

Reported, for such idiocy.
Game 6 2012 vs celtics > Any MJ game.

Fact.

[Angel Face]

Game 6 2012 vs celtics > Any MJ game.

Fact.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/44342893.jpg

[97 bulls]

Can you guys be objectivee for once? Geeze. Why does the answer to every basketball related question end up being Magic, Bird etc?

The only players who should be considered as the answer to this question is Duncan, Jordan, and Russell.

Why not Magic? The 84 series for starters. He cost the Lakers a championship. Then combine that with losses to teams his team had no business losing to like Houston in 86 and Phoenix in 90. He put up great offensive stats in the 91 Finals, but his defense was atrocious. And again, his role played a huge part in his team losing.

Why not Bird? Simple. Lost seven time with homecourt atdvantage. And he really stunk in some of those defeats.

Why not Shaq? His team were routinely swept out of the playoffs. The Lakers and Magic also lost as huge favorites vs the Pistons in 04, and the Rockets in 95. And neither series was close. 4-1 vs the Pistons, and 4-0 vs the Rockets. Not to mention routinely being ousted by a lesser talented and aging Jazz squad.

Why not Kobe? Hes played like shit in far too many NBA Finals. Plain and simple.

Why not Dirk? His teams have only won once. Which was a fluke. And his teams have lost plenty of times as the favorite as well. Including losing to an eight seed as a first seed. Which is extremely rare. And again, while his offensive stats are strong, what about his defense? Who has he shut down, slowed, or minimized? The Mavs have had to get someone else to defend his man. And lets not forget 2006.

[tmacattack33]

:coleman:


Dirk's career playoff averages are 26/10 with a TS of 58.4%. What part of this do you not understand?

Ok good. Then my plan worked.

All of you idiots better use Lebron's entire playoff career instead of focusing on the 2011 Finals...because you aren't focusing on Dirk's 2006 Finals, or his terrible 2007 first round vs the 8th seeded Golden State Warriors in the biggest playoff upset of the millenium.

[zoom17]

Reported, for such idiocy.

you know he is a laker fan right he admitted he is repping that avy for a while and faking to be a Heat fan same with celticballer.

[pauk]

Clutch playoff performer? Not named MJ? Reggie Miller..... actually, i would take him over MJ... would take Larry Bird over MJ aswell, thats just me. :cheers:

[zoom17]

Clutch playoff performer? Not named MJ? Reggie Miller..... actually, i would take him over MJ... would take Larry Bird over MJ aswell, thats just me. :cheers:

:coleman:

[97 bulls]

Clutch playoff performer? Not named MJ? Reggie Miller..... actually, i would take him over MJ... would take Larry Bird over MJ aswell, thats just me. :cheers:
Good thing your not a GM.

[hahaitme]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_season_p.html











hehe

[Bandito]

Clutch playoff performer? Not named MJ? Reggie Miller..... actually, i would take him over MJ... would take Larry Bird over MJ aswell, thats just me. :cheers:
I would take Kobe over Lebron doe...

[juju151111]

Clutch playoff performer? Not named MJ? Reggie Miller..... actually, i would take him over MJ... would take Larry Bird over MJ aswell, thats just me. :cheers:
:biggums: Lmap

[Rocketswin2013]

Gotta be Duncan.

[sportjames23]

Game 6 2012 vs celtics > Any MJ game.

Fact.


You've only been watching basketball since 2012, I see.

[sportjames23]

Clutch playoff performer? Not named MJ? Reggie Miller..... actually, i would take him over MJ... would take Larry Bird over MJ aswell, thats just me. :cheers:

How many rings Reggie got again?

[sportjames23]

you know he is a laker fan right he admitted he is repping that avy for a while and faking to be a Heat fan same with celticballer.

Ah, that explains it. :cheers:

[Straight_Ballin]

With everyone being so far beneath Jordan, does it even warrant a discussion? A 5 page discussion is fair I guess....

[DMAVS41]

Can you guys be objectivee for once? Geeze. Why does the answer to every basketball related question end up being Magic, Bird etc?

The only players who should be considered as the answer to this question is Duncan, Jordan, and Russell.

Why not Magic? The 84 series for starters. He cost the Lakers a championship. Then combine that with losses to teams his team had no business losing to like Houston in 86 and Phoenix in 90. He put up great offensive stats in the 91 Finals, but his defense was atrocious. And again, his role played a huge part in his team losing.

Why not Bird? Simple. Lost seven time with homecourt atdvantage. And he really stunk in some of those defeats.

Why not Shaq? His team were routinely swept out of the playoffs. The Lakers and Magic also lost as huge favorites vs the Pistons in 04, and the Rockets in 95. And neither series was close. 4-1 vs the Pistons, and 4-0 vs the Rockets. Not to mention routinely being ousted by a lesser talented and aging Jazz squad.

Why not Kobe? Hes played like shit in far too many NBA Finals. Plain and simple.

Why not Dirk? His teams have only won once. Which was a fluke. And his teams have lost plenty of times as the favorite as well. Including losing to an eight seed as a first seed. Which is extremely rare. And again, while his offensive stats are strong, what about his defense? Who has he shut down, slowed, or minimized? The Mavs have had to get someone else to defend his man. And lets not forget 2006.


I agree with almost all of your post...and totally agree Dirk has no case here...but why make shit up? How are you defining plenty? Is failing to advance as far or farther than expected a whopping two times in your playoff career...failing "plenty" of times?

Also don't get the "fluke" comment...I kind of actually agree with it in some sense, but why would that make it less valuable? Winning as a 20 to 1 underdog with Dirk as clearly the MVP of the team and playoffs seems like a special accomplishment...it would have been far easier if he had a stacked team like most of all the other guys up for this playoff performer had. You really think it's somehow lesser that Dirk won as a big underdog than it is for say...Bird to win on perhaps the GOAT team in 86? I don't follow that.

Also don't get the comment about 06...the Mavs advanced farther than expected and were the only team to beat the Spurs at the height of their powers from 05 through 07...Dirk had a legendary 37/15 game 7 on the road in SA with the game winning play. Seems like an odd thing to talk negatively about.

Just keep your comments to actually factual things. Like Dirk had the 07 series, the 06 finals in which he could have been better, got hurt in the 03 WCF...etc.

I try not to say much about guys I didn't see. So I'd vote for Duncan here.

[Leftimage]

Imo Lebron is up there:

Detroit game. Boston game. Outstanding on the road, numerous game-winners, above-season-average per game stats... and then:

- 4 finals appearances in 10 seasons.

- 100% finals appearance rate in new environment with Miami.

- Statistically, one of, if not the best elimination game player of all time.

- Led the least talented squad to ever make the finals. The 2005 (or whatever) Cleveland Cavaliers are a legitimate contender for worst finals roster of all time, despite Lebron's presence. This team without him was a steaming pile of manure.

[DFish24]

Kevin Garnett.

[T_L_P]

Kevin Garnett.

How so, exactly?

[DMAVS41]

Imo Lebron is up there:

Detroit game. Boston game. Outstanding on the road, numerous game-winners, above-season-average per game stats... and then:

- 4 finals appearances in 10 seasons.

- 100% finals appearance rate in new environment with Miami.

- Statistically, one of, if not the best elimination game player of all time.

- Led the least talented squad to ever make the finals. The 2005 (or whatever) Cleveland Cavaliers are a legitimate contender for worst finals roster of all time, despite Lebron's presence. This team without him was a steaming pile of manure.

Yea...it's just really hard to ignore the 11 finals...and really the 07 finals.

A guy like Duncan just doesn't have two series, especially finals series, like that on his resume...

[D.J.]

To me, Duncan. 4 titles(3 Finals MVPs). He had postseasons of 24/15/4/3, 28/14/5/4, and 25/15/5/3. He's right up there with Shaq. Shaq's averages during the 3-peat were 31/15/3/2, 30/15/3/2, and 29/13/3/2.5.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Magic Johnson, hands down.

Dude had a 18/14/8 finals on 56% shooting...and was widely criticized for it.

That's how high he set the bar.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Magic career finals (9 appearances!): 51.5 fg% 19.44 ppg 7.94 rpg 11.68 apg 2.04 spg 0.3 bpg 3.8 tov

Damn near a triple double in the Finals. :bowdown:

[Rose'sACL]

Magic career finals (9 appearances!): 51.5 fg% 19.44 ppg 7.94 rpg 11.68 apg 2.04 spg 0.3 bpg 3.8 tov

Damn near a triple double in the Finals. :bowdown:
Most casuals only care about best player averaging 25+ ppg. Lebron was criticized for having a triple double in game 1 of finals last year with 18-18-10 stat line.Jordan changed how casuals judge a player.

[ImKobe]

Kobe

only player since MJ to put up 30+ ppg 5+ rpg 7+ apg in a Finals series
only player to score 600+ points in 3 consecutive Playoff runs
has led the Playoffs in points 4 times(led in 3 consecutive years from 08-10)
has led the Playoffs in FGM 4 times (led in 3 consecutive years from 08-10)
7th in steals all-time in the POs
3rd in made 3s
3rd in points
13th in ppg(his younger years lower his ppg by a considerable margin)
5x champ, 2x Finals MVP, best player in the most dominant Playoff team ever (led the POs in OWS & had an identical WS/48 to Shaq while playing more minutes)

As far as guards go, Kobe is right behind MJ as a Playoff performer. He isn't as consistent or as dominant(in most cases), but he has had some of the best Playoff runs in the modern era. Take the Suns series in 2010, or the entire Western Conference in 2001. 2002 & 2009 Finals were flat out dominant.

Magic was great too, but his teams had a much higher pace, which leads to inflated stats & he only won 5 out of 9 Finals though he had Kareem, Worthy, Wilkes & a bunch of other solid players.

[T_L_P]

Kobe

only player since MJ to put up 30+ ppg 5+ rpg 7+ apg in a Finals series
only player to score 600+ points in 3 consecutive Playoff runs
has led the Playoffs in points 4 times(led in 3 consecutive years from 08-10)
has led the Playoffs in FGM 4 times (led in 3 consecutive years from 08-10)
7th in steals all-time in the POs
3rd in made 3s
3rd in points
13th in ppg(his younger years lower his ppg by a considerable margin)
5x champ, 2x Finals MVP, best player in the most dominant Playoff team ever (led the POs in OWS & had an identical WS/48 to Shaq while playing more minutes)

As far as guards go, Kobe is right behind MJ as a Playoff performer. He isn't as consistent or as dominant(in most cases), but he has had some of the best Playoff runs in the modern era. Take the Suns series in 2010, or the entire Western Conference in 2001. 2002 & 2009 Finals were flat out dominant.

Magic was great too, but his teams had a much higher pace, which leads to inflated stats & he only won 5 out of 9 Finals though he had Kareem, Worthy, Wilkes & a bunch of other solid players.

Having Kobe is one thing (although I don't think he's a top 5 Playoff performer, let alone number 2), but even the number 2 guy is nowhere near Jordan in reality. And I'm not even a Jordan fan :confusedshrug:

[DJ Leon Smith]

Ok good. Then my plan worked.

All of you idiots better use Lebron's entire playoff career instead of focusing on the 2011 Finals...

So we can use his 2007 Finals stats too?

[pauk]

I was talking about strictly clutch.... clutch situations.... who would you want to take the last shot? Reggie Miller / Larry Bird or..... Michael Jordan? At the end of the day hitting a shot (no matter what time it is) is simply about accuracy (with a hint of bad or good luck).... this is not NBA 2K, where players have clutch slider ratings.... missing everything entire game but when its clutch time he magically becomes the purest jumpshooter ever....

Reggie Miller or Larry Bird would outshoot Michael Jordan blindfolded (from anywhere).....

As far as players goes, 48 minutes.... entire different story! :)

[LEFT4DEAD]

If not for Magic's HIV and Bird's back problems Jordan would have been ringless.
LoL at this acting like Jordan is so much better that all others in everything. Guy is not even a GOAT. Kareem is at least even with him on the top. :confusedshrug:

[rmt]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_season_p.html

hehe

Kobe (2009) doesn't even show up until #77. But then Bird's at #94 (1984) and Magic's at #98 (1987). This is based on PER for a single playoff run.

[tontoz]

Ok good. Then my plan worked.

All of you idiots better use Lebron's entire playoff career instead of focusing on the 2011 Finals...because you aren't focusing on Dirk's 2006 Finals, or his terrible 2007 first round vs the 8th seeded Golden State Warriors in the biggest playoff upset of the millenium.


I never even mentioned Lebron. So in your twisted mind misrepresenting Dirk's stats is a way of defending Lebron?

:facepalm

Stan logic at its worst

[JohnMax]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_season_p.html

:lol Chris Andersen at #153

[tamaraw08]

Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Bird

Im a Laker fan and still love Shaq but I still remember him really struggling against San Antonio and Portland. He is a monster in the finals tho.
Dirk is vey clutch, Worthy didn't get his nick name for nothing.

[LAZERUSS]

Can you guys be objectivee for once? Geeze. Why does the answer to every basketball related question end up being Magic, Bird etc?

The only players who should be considered as the answer to this question is Duncan, Jordan, and Russell.

Why not Magic? The 84 series for starters. He cost the Lakers a championship. Then combine that with losses to teams his team had no business losing to like Houston in 86 and Phoenix in 90. He put up great offensive stats in the 91 Finals, but his defense was atrocious. And again, his role played a huge part in his team losing.

Why not Bird? Simple. Lost seven time with homecourt atdvantage. And he really stunk in some of those defeats.

Why not Shaq? His team were routinely swept out of the playoffs. The Lakers and Magic also lost as huge favorites vs the Pistons in 04, and the Rockets in 95. And neither series was close. 4-1 vs the Pistons, and 4-0 vs the Rockets. Not to mention routinely being ousted by a lesser talented and aging Jazz squad.

Why not Kobe? Hes played like shit in far too many NBA Finals. Plain and simple.

Why not Dirk? His teams have only won once. Which was a fluke. And his teams have lost plenty of times as the favorite as well. Including losing to an eight seed as a first seed. Which is extremely rare. And again, while his offensive stats are strong, what about his defense? Who has he shut down, slowed, or minimized? The Mavs have had to get someone else to defend his man. And lets not forget 2006.


MJ????

You mean the Jordan who went 1-9 in his first ten playoff games? Who couldn't beat Bird (who lost seven times with HCA) in even one game?

The MJ who couldn't sniff a title until he had the deepest rosters in the league?

The MJ who ALWAYS played much worse against the "Bad Boys" than he did in his regular seasons against the rest of the NBA? His stats dropped SIGNIFICANTLY against the Pistons in his FOUR straight playoff series against them, and finally came out on top against them when they had declined considerably.

The MJ who had playoff series, in his scoring prime, in which he shot .400?

The MJ who had three straight Finals in which he shot .455, .427, and even .415 from the field, but since he had the most stacked roster in the league, he added three more rings?

The MJ who quit on his team against the Pistons in game five of their '89 series (playing 46 minutes, he went 4-8 from the field), which ultimately cost them the series.

How good were those rosters that MJ had? By now everyone here knows the real story...in his 92-93 season the Bulls went 57-25, and won a hard-fought title. MJ "retired", and with a couple of scrubs replacing him, they went 55-27. Then, in the playoffs, the Jordan-less Bulls lost a close and controversial seven game series to the 56-26 Knicks...who would go on and lose a very close game seven to the 58-24 Rockets (BTW, they outscored the Rockets in that series, as well.)

Was MJ a great post-season player. Certainly...as was Russell, Wilt, West, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Duncan, and Lebron.

By the way, CHAMBERLAIN is arguably the greatest BIG GAME player in post-season history...


Wilt's numbers in those 23 games...13 of which came against HOF starting centers.

12-11 W-L record

31.1 ppg (Regular season career average was 30.1 ppg)
26.1 rpg (Regular season career average was 22.9 rpg)
3.4 apg (Regular season career average was 4.4 apg)
.540 FG% (Regular season career average was .540 FG%)


3 games of 50+ points

5 games of 40+ points (including a Finals 40+ elimination game)

13 games of 30+ points

6 games of 30+ rebounds

20 games of 20+ rebounds

[navy]

If not for Magic's HIV and Bird's back problems Jordan would have been ringless.
LoL at this acting like Jordan is so much better that all others in everything. Guy is not even a GOAT. Kareem is at least even with him on the top. :confusedshrug:
Jordan won 6 titles. Ringless? Come on now.

[navy]

MJ????

You mean the Jordan who went 1-9 in his first ten playoff games? Who couldn't beat Bird (who lost seven times with HCA) in even one game?

The MJ who couldn't sniff a title until he had the deepest rosters in the league?

The MJ who ALWAYS played much worse against the "Bad Boys" than he did in his regular seasons against the rest of the NBA? His stats dropped SIGNIFICANTLY against the Pistons in his FOUR straight playoff series against them, and finally came out on top against them when they had declined considerably.

The MJ who had playoff series, in his scoring prime, in which he shot .400?

The MJ who had three straight Finals in which he shot .455, .427, and even .415 from the field, but since he had the most stacked roster in the league, he added three more rings?

The MJ who quit on his team against the Pistons in game five of their '89 series (playing 46 minutes, he went 4-8 from the field), which ultimately cost them the series.

How good were those rosters that MJ had? By now everyone here knows the real story...in his 92-93 season the Bulls went 57-25, and won a hard-fought title. MJ "retired", and with a couple of scrubs replacing him, they went 55-27. Then, in the playoffs, the Jordan-less Bulls lost a close and controversial seven game series to the 56-26 Knicks...who would go on and lose a very close game seven to the 58-24 Rockets (BTW, they outscored the Rockets in that series, as well.)

Was MJ a great post-season player. Certainly...as was Russell, Wilt, West, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Duncan, and Lebron.

By the way, CHAMBERLAIN is arguably the greatest BIG GAME player in post-season history...
This post was great until you brought up Wilt.

[LAZERUSS]

This post was great until you brought up Wilt.

And why does it bother you?

No one else dominated their peers like Chamberlain did in his post-seasons. Fans forget that he faced a HOF starting center in two-thirds of his 160 post-season games, and either outplayed them, or downright CRUSHED them in his 29 playoff series.

[navy]

And why does it bother you?

No one else dominated their peers like Chamberlain did in his post-seasons. Fans forget that he faced a HOF starting center in two-thirds of his 160 post-season games, and either outplayed them, or downright CRUSHED them in his 29 playoff series.
2 Rings.

Just kidding of course, in any case I was applauding the fact you can really bring up bad postseason memories for any player. Jordan is not untouchable. Then you brought up Wilt who isnt untouchable as well. An arguable worse postseason performer than Jordan. Hurt the cause man.

[LAZERUSS]

2 Rings.

Just kidding of course, in any case I was applauding the fact you can really bring up bad postseason memories of any player. Jordan is not untouchable. Then you brought up Wilt who isnt untouchable as well. An arguable worse postseason performer than Jordan. Hurt the cause man.

Not really. A "scoring" Chamberlain scored nearly as much as MJ did in his post-seasons (32.8 ppg), and 30 of those 52 games came against the greatest defensive center and greatest dynasty in NBA history (and he averaged 30.2 ppg on a .507 FG% against him in the process...in leagues that shot .420 on average.)

And, Wilt had, by far, the biggest games in "must-win" situations. He had THREE 50+ games, alone, in those situations.

And the "bashers" NEVER bring up the fact that Wilt was DRAMATICALLY reducing his OPPOSING CENTERS numbers, as well...all while crushing them on the glass, and outshooting them by a mile.

[LAZERUSS]

2 Rings.

Just kidding of course, in any case I was applauding the fact you can really bring up bad postseason memories for any player. Jordan is not untouchable. Then you brought up Wilt who isnt untouchable as well. An arguable worse postseason performer than Jordan. Hurt the cause man.

BTW, I do agree that MJ has a case as the greatest post-season player of all-time. As does Wilt, Shaq, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Russell, Duncan, and Lebron.

But take away Jordan's PF's in his title runs, and he wouldn't have sniffed a ring. You can make arguments against all of the above players, even Russell, whom Wilt beat to a pulp in their eight playoff series. And when Chamberlain was finally given an equal roster that was healthy, he not only annihilated Russell, his team destroyed the greatest dynasty in NBA history in the process.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

"jordan rules" :lol

[tmacattack33]

Yes sir

[Rose'sACL]

i still remember game 6 of 1989 ECF where Jordan's free throw shooting in game 6 cost chicago the game.
His game 5 with 18 points didn't help either.

[LAZERUSS]

i still remember game 6 of 1989 ECF where Jordan's free throw shooting in game 6 cost chicago the game.
His game 5 with 18 points didn't help either.

It was not just MJ. We already have seen Wilt get ripped here for singular poor playoff games (although, in Wilt's defense, at his worst he was still getting 20 rebounds), but you can find those single playoff games in which a "GOAT" probably cost his team a series with either poor FT shooting, or putrid shooting from the floor.

How about Bird in this game...in a series in which his team would lose a seventh game...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198205150PHI.html

6-16 from the field, and 3-7 from the line, in a two point loss.

I could go right down the list. KAJ had MULTIPLE series in which he couldn't hit the Grand Canyon from the ledge. Shaq had poor series against the Spurs, and even against Ostertag for cryingoutloud. Magic played poorly in the '81 playoffs and the '83 Finals. Hell, Duncan shot 10-27 in a game seven WIN. Hakeem folded his tent in the first round of several series, and was just crushed by Shaq in '99. And Kobe's Finals have been "legendary", especially in his biggest games of those Finals.

The truth is, no one player is going to win a title by himself. It has NEVER been done. Even Hakeem's two title runs were accomplished against inferior teams, and then with massive help from his teammates (they decisively outplayed Shaq's in '95.) Give a GOAT player a good roster, that is healthy, and that plays well, and they likely will win a ring.

[AceManIII]

So Wilt is the best playoff performer? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

LBJ

[LAZERUSS]

So Wilt is the best playoff performer? :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Give me your list of reasons why not.

And if you are using rings, then Hondo and Sam Jones need to be ranked ahead of MJ, KAJ, and everyone else not named Russell.

If you are using pure stats, then you had better be prepared to put them in context, and not some ridiculous argument that Wilt's numbers "declined" in his post-seasons, or Finals.

And while you are at, please give us Wilt's teammates "contributions" in his 29 post-season series. And this is really HUGE...please give us his OPPOSING CENTERS numbers in those 29 series, as well.


And BTW, Wilt's TEAMS lost in FIVE series that were either in the Finals, or that were against the eventual champion, ...FOUR of which were decided by margins of 2, 4, 1, and 2 points. He was a few points away from having SEVEN rings.

[AceManIII]

Give me your list of reasons why not.

And if you are using rings, then Hondo and Sam Jones need to be ranked ahead of MJ, KAJ, and everyone else not named Russell.

If you are using pure stats, then you had better be prepared to put them in context, and not some ridiculous argument that Wilt's numbers "declined" in his post-seasons, or Finals.

And while you are at, please give us Wilt's teammates "contributions" in his 29 post-season series. And this is really HUGE...please give us his OPPOSING CENTERS numbers in those 29 series, as well.


And BTW, Wilt's TEAMS lost in FIVE series that were either in the Finals, or that were against the eventual champion, ...FOUR of which were decided by margins of 2, 4, 1, and 2 points. He was a few points away from having SEVEN rings.

My only reason is Wilt himself stated he was not as competitive or wanted to win as bad as another player who played against him constantly and that player's team bested his constantly. Russell

Also, Wilt has been criticized by his peers far too much including that same player. Russell

That alone gives me enough justification to never list him as GOAT or the best playoff performer...regardless of stats, accomplishments, etc.

Not saying he isn't top 5 or w/e, but he can't be number 1.

[97 bulls]

[/B]


I agree with almost all of your post...and totally agree Dirk has no case here...but why make shit up? How are you defining plenty? Is failing to advance as far or farther than expected a whopping two times in your playoff career...failing "plenty" of times?

Also don't get the "fluke" comment...I kind of actually agree with it in some sense, but why would that make it less valuable? Winning as a 20 to 1 underdog with Dirk as clearly the MVP of the team and playoffs seems like a special accomplishment...it would have been far easier if he had a stacked team like most of all the other guys up for this playoff performer had. You really think it's somehow lesser that Dirk won as a big underdog than it is for say...Bird to win on perhaps the GOAT team in 86? I don't follow that.

Also don't get the comment about 06...the Mavs advanced farther than expected and were the only team to beat the Spurs at the height of their powers from 05 through 07...Dirk had a legendary 37/15 game 7 on the road in SA with the game winning play. Seems like an odd thing to talk negatively about.

Just keep your comments to actually factual things. Like Dirk had the 07 series, the 06 finals in which he could have been better, got hurt in the 03 WCF...etc.

I try not to say much about guys I didn't see. So I'd vote for Duncan here.
Im not saying that Nowizki and the Mavs shouldn't get credit winning 11. We lose contact when you try to make it seem as if his winning that year was the norm. It was a fluke. Play out that series 9 more times and the Heat probably win 8.

And I dont follow the lines or anything, but as I've told you before, the 2011 run wasnt all that impressive. The Trailblazers best player was hurt (Brandon Roy). The Lakers barely got past a shitty Hornet team. Showing they were extremely vulnerable. Then they beat a young inexperienced Thunder team.

The Mavs were favored to win in 06. And had a 2-0 lead. Even had a 13 pt lead with six minutes to go in game 3. Then choked.

I feel the Mavs choked in 2010. When they aquired Tyson Chandler, they had a team good enough to beat the Lakers. They choked that off too.

I didnt even mention 07. I didn't have to.

[97 bulls]

MJ????

You mean the Jordan who went 1-9 in his first ten playoff games? Who couldn't beat Bird (who lost seven times with HCA) in even one game?

The MJ who couldn't sniff a title until he had the deepest rosters in the league?

The MJ who ALWAYS played much worse against the "Bad Boys" than he did in his regular seasons against the rest of the NBA? His stats dropped SIGNIFICANTLY against the Pistons in his FOUR straight playoff series against them, and finally came out on top against them when they had declined considerably.

The MJ who had playoff series, in his scoring prime, in which he shot .400?

The MJ who had three straight Finals in which he shot .455, .427, and even .415 from the field, but since he had the most stacked roster in the league, he added three more rings?

The MJ who quit on his team against the Pistons in game five of their '89 series (playing 46 minutes, he went 4-8 from the field), which ultimately cost them the series.

How good were those rosters that MJ had? By now everyone here knows the real story...in his 92-93 season the Bulls went 57-25, and won a hard-fought title. MJ "retired", and with a couple of scrubs replacing him, they went 55-27. Then, in the playoffs, the Jordan-less Bulls lost a close and controversial seven game series to the 56-26 Knicks...who would go on and lose a very close game seven to the 58-24 Rockets (BTW, they outscored the Rockets in that series, as well.)

Was MJ a great post-season player. Certainly...as was Russell, Wilt, West, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Duncan, and Lebron.

By the way, CHAMBERLAIN is arguably the greatest BIG GAME player in post-season history...
Oh spare me. How many times did a Jordan led team lose when they should've won? It never happened. NEVER!!!!!!! Can you say the same for Wilt? Magic? Bird? Shaq? Bryant? James?


And its as if you cant get out of your own way. How do you continuously knock Jordnan down for losing series when he didnt have sufficient support. Then use the same excuse for Chamberlain?

[DJ Leon Smith]

Ok good. Then my plan worked.

All of you idiots better use Lebron's entire playoff career instead of focusing on the 2011 Finals...

Wait so we can use LeBron's 2007 *AND* 2011 Finals stats to prove how he's the GOAT?

Does that make Jason Terry Larry Bird?

And Chris Bosh is Magic Johnson?

And Dwyane Wade is Wilt Chamberlain?

And Dirk is Michael Jordan?

You/this entire forum are literally the dumbest person/people on Earth. You were all obviously deprived of oxygen in your mother's wombs.

[97 bulls]

MJ????

You mean the Jordan who went 1-9 in his first ten playoff games? Who couldn't beat Bird (who lost seven times with HCA) in even one game?

The MJ who couldn't sniff a title until he had the deepest rosters in the league?

The MJ who ALWAYS played much worse against the "Bad Boys" than he did in his regular seasons against the rest of the NBA? His stats dropped SIGNIFICANTLY against the Pistons in his FOUR straight playoff series against them, and finally came out on top against them when they had declined considerably.

The MJ who had playoff series, in his scoring prime, in which he shot .400?

The MJ who had three straight Finals in which he shot .455, .427, and even .415 from the field, but since he had the most stacked roster in the league, he added three more rings?

The MJ who quit on his team against the Pistons in game five of their '89 series (playing 46 minutes, he went 4-8 from the field), which ultimately cost them the series.

How good were those rosters that MJ had? By now everyone here knows the real story...in his 92-93 season the Bulls went 57-25, and won a hard-fought title. MJ "retired", and with a couple of scrubs replacing him, they went 55-27. Then, in the playoffs, the Jordan-less Bulls lost a close and controversial seven game series to the 56-26 Knicks...who would go on and lose a very close game seven to the 58-24 Rockets (BTW, they outscored the Rockets in that series, as well.)

Was MJ a great post-season player. Certainly...as was Russell, Wilt, West, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Duncan, and Lebron.

By the way, CHAMBERLAIN is arguably the greatest BIG GAME player in post-season history...
Oh spare me. How many times did a Jordan led team lose when they should've won? It never happened. NEVER!!!!!!! Can you say the same for Wilt? Magic? Bird? Shaq? Bryant? James?


And its as if you cant get out of your own way. How do you continuously knock Jordnan down for losing series when he didnt have sufficient support. Then use the same excuse for Chamberlain?

[DJ Leon Smith]

MJ????

You mean the Jordan who went 1-9 in his first ten playoff games? Who couldn't beat Bird (who lost seven times with HCA) in even one game?



You mean the MJ who was outscored by Jason Terry in his second NBA Finals?

[Stringer Bell]

Bill Russell?

[Stringer Bell]

Oh spare me. How many times did a Jordan led team lose when they should've won? It never happened. NEVER!!!!!!! Can you say the same for Wilt? Magic? Bird? Shaq? Bryant? James?


And its as if you cant get out of your own way. How do you continuously knock Jordnan down for losing series when he didnt have sufficient support. Then use the same excuse for Chamberlain?

Never...in fact they overachieved in 1989. They weren't supposed to get out of the 1st round.

They came within 2 games of making the NBA Finals.

[riseagainst]

MJ is undoubtedly the greatest playoff performer ever. Not question, no debate. Never allowed a game 7 in the finals. Never lost with HCA.

[Magic 32]

I think of....Jerry West oddly enough.

[-23-]

Give me your list of reasons why not.

And if you are using rings, then Hondo and Sam Jones need to be ranked ahead of MJ, KAJ, and everyone else not named Russell.

If you are using pure stats, then you had better be prepared to put them in context, and not some ridiculous argument that Wilt's numbers "declined" in his post-seasons, or Finals.

And while you are at, please give us Wilt's teammates "contributions" in his 29 post-season series. And this is really HUGE...please give us his OPPOSING CENTERS numbers in those 29 series, as well.


And BTW, Wilt's TEAMS lost in FIVE series that were either in the Finals, or that were against the eventual champion, ...FOUR of which were decided by margins of 2, 4, 1, and 2 points. He was a few points away from having SEVEN rings.

What a moron :roll:

How many times did MJ lose when he was supposed to (HCA)? NEVER. Now how about your dead pops Wilt? Fking loser trash.

[riseagainst]

What a moron :roll:

How many times did MJ lose when he was supposed to (HCA)? NEVER. Now how about your dead pops Wilt? Fking loser trash.

:roll:

[pauk]

Lebron & Bird.

But most clutch performer? Reggie Miller.

[Paul George 24]

Duncan, Shaq, Magic, Bird, Kareem.

Pretty much everybody you'd expect.
dream >>>>>>>>>> duncan

[Marchesk]

MJ is undoubtedly the greatest playoff performer ever. Not question, no debate. Never allowed a game 7 in the finals. Never lost with HCA.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk9A40oCAAERvI4.jpg

[riseagainst]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk9A40oCAAERvI4.jpg

how do their stats look? How bout the level of competition they each faced? How bout how good their teammates are relative to the rest of the teams they faced?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Shaq or Hakeem

[Rojogaqu11]

My top 5 would be:

1-Shaq
2-Lebron
3-Bird
4-Duncan
5-Kobe

In that order, although they're all in the same level of greatness. Just different ways to do it.

Kobe was my favorite to watch though.

[Dragic4Life]

My top 5 would be:

1-Shaq
2-Lebron
3-Bird
4-Duncan
5-Kobe
Good list. I agree with the top 3.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

My top 5 would be:

1-Shaq
2-Lebron
3-Bird
4-Duncan
5-Kobe

In that order, although they're all in the same level of greatness. Just different ways to do it.

Kobe was my favorite to watch though.
Bird???????? He has 2 great playoff runs and like 5 good ones
his playoff career was riddles with injuries

hes not a better playoff performer than Hakeem. In fact no one there in ur list is besides Shaq

[That_Admiral]

Bird, Shaq, Duncan

[Castor Troy]

Give me Tim Duncan for consistency.

[pastis]

Duncan is better than MJ. Duncan had a stacked team since 04, but never ever you can compare Duncans team to MJs or Birds.

Duncan is the best

Kareem (but teamed up with Magic, that relativates everything)

Shaq

MJ

Dirk


Lebron

Bird

wade

Kobe

[Kvnzhangyay]

Bird???????? He has 2 great playoff runs and like 5 good ones
his playoff career was riddles with injuries

hes not a better playoff performer than Hakeem. In fact no one there in ur list is besides Shaq

Hakeem is pretty similar with Larry in that ehhh longetivity is a meh :(

[Stringer Bell]

Hakeem is pretty similar with Larry in that ehhh longetivity is a meh :(

Hakeem was an elite player from a rookie in 1984 until 1997.

That's very good longevity.

He usually performed well in the postseason, but with the exception of the 86' postseason, wasn't getting much help and usually got bounced in the 1st round until the mid 90s.

[Stringer Bell]

What a moron :roll:

How many times did MJ lose when he was supposed to (HCA)? NEVER. Now how about your dead pops Wilt? Fking loser trash.

:roll:

But Wilt "almost" won 7 rings!

That's more impressive than, you know, actually winning 6 rings! :roll:


Game 6 2012 vs celtics > Any MJ game.

Fact.

Game 2 of the 1986 1st rd vs. Boston
Game 1 of the 1988 1st rd vs. Cleveland
Game 5 of the 1989 1st rd vs. Cleveland
Games 3 & 4 of the 1989 ECSF vs. NY
Game 3 of the 1989 ECF vs. Detroit
Almost any game of the 1990 ECSF vs. Philadelphia
Game 2 of the 1991 Finals vs. LA
Games 1 & 3 of the 1992 1st rd vs. Miami
Game 1 of the 1992 Finals vs. Portland
Game 4 of the 1993 ECF vs. NY
Game 4 of the 1993 Finals vs. Phoenix

This is only his "first career" also.

[sportjames23]

Duncan is better than MJ. Duncan had a stacked team since 04, but never ever you can compare Duncans team to MJs or Birds.

Duncan is the best

Kareem (but teamed up with Magic, that relativates everything)

Shaq

MJ

Dirk


Lebron

Bird

wade

Kobe


New idiot at ISH.

[Prometheus]

Duncan is better than MJ

Duncan is better than MJ

Duncan is better than MJ

Duncan is better than MJ

Duncan is better than MJ

Duncan is better than MJ

Duncan is better than MJ

http://francisedevoe.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/5541.jpg

[sportjames23]

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