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ABfor3
04-15-2014, 04:45 PM
The perfect roster
Bradford Doolittle
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ESPN Insider | April 15, 2014

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LeBron James anchors the 2013-14 season's perfect NBA roster.
Here's a different kind of All-NBA team: One that could actually exist, and probably does if you believe in the theory of the multiverse. To build this team, we're going to consider the actual roles a typical roster needs filled, and we're going to operate under the same salary constraints as an NBA general manager, though in this case we'll let him spend up to the tax apron of $75.7 million. In fact, the roster we've compiled would cost about $75.2 million in 2013-14 salary.

This 14-man All-NBA team not only recognizes some of the best and varied role players who populate the NBA, but also appreciates those who provide fair value in terms of salary. Fit is essential, so the type of players higher on the roster hierarchy will impact the kind of players we slot lower down.


James
Foundation Player: LeBron James

Kevin Durant is the deserved MVP this season, but if we were drafting the NBA from scratch right now, who would the team with the top pick select? The answer to that hypothetical question no longer defaults to James. Nevertheless, you can't surpass a player who has been the best in the game for so long based on one season. Think of it like this: In 1997, Karl Malone outpointed Michael Jordan in the MVP balloting. Did that mean he had surpassed Jordan as the game's best player? That's why James gets the nod.


Love
Running Mate: Kevin Love

Love deserves to be recognized for the expansion of his game this season. He's as lethal as ever from deep, but also has been very good on the block, in passing the ball and as an elite rebounder. As a running mate for James, it's a perfect skill set. Love's 19.8 WARP ranks behind only Durant and James. And, not for nothing, Love's price tag of $14.7 million for this season is appropriate for a second star on a championship roster.



Noah
Third Wheel: Joakim Noah

It's not easy to produce like a max salary player without being a big-time scorer, but that's exactly what Noah has done this season. He's 12th in WARP, but has ranked in the top five since the All-Star break. His defensive RPM (plus-3.78) gives my team a strong defensive backbone. Noah's playmaking ability from the high post fits into any lineup and if he's playing alongside high-powered players like James and Love, his scoring is going to be more efficient. Finally, Noah's $11.1 million salary is perfect for his place on this roster.


Green
Floor Spacer: Danny Green

The San Antonio Spurs have as close to a perfect roster as exists in the NBA, which is why so many rebuilding teams seek to emulate Gregg Popovich's model. Players like Green are a big reason for that. Green not only is an elite catch-and-shoot deep threat who is shooting 42 percent from downtown, he's an excellent wing defender. Green's plus-2.67 defensive RPM is one of the five best in the league among perimeter players getting at least 15 minutes per game.


Beverley
Glue Guy: Patrick Beverley

Few people seemed to realize the magnitude of the blow the Houston Rockets nearly suffered when it appeared that they'd lost Beverley for the season with a knee injury. Beverley leads the Rockets in RPM at plus-4.88, and also has posted 2.8 WARP on the season. His ability to hound opposing star point guards is essential, and while he's not a traditional playmaker, he doesn't need to be on this roster. Nevertheless, Beverley's ability to knock down corner 3s gives him offensive utility. Finally, with a salary of just $788,872, Beverley offers as much bang for the buck as any role player in the league.


Mills
Bench Spark: Patty Mills

Mills has emerged as one of the most explosive bench scorers in the league. He's tied with Manu Ginobili for second on San Antonio by averaging 21.7 points per 40 minutes. He gets that offense within the framework of the system, with an offensive RPM of plus-2.63, and also has positive indicators on the defensive end. As a player who can make plays for himself with the ball in his hands, Mills offers a nice counterpoint to Beverley. And he's cheap, which makes my capologist happy.


Gibson
Energy Big: Taj Gibson

This may be the last year we can consider Gibson an energy big, as he's blossomed into an elite role player this season, one who may occupy a full-time, big-minute job in Chicago next season if Carlos Boozer is amnestied. He can score on the block against smaller 4s, is a solid jump shooter as long as he keeps his volume in check, attacks the glass and outruns most opposing bigs down the floor. He'd be a beast in transition alongside James.


Green
Perimeter Stopper: Draymond Green

Green isn't the best defensive perimeter player on his own team -- that honor goes to Andre Iguodala -- but he makes sure the Golden State Warriors don't suffer much of a drop-off when he comes into the game. Green's plus-3.99 defensive RPM ranks behind only Iguodala among wing defenders, but he also muscles up and plays a lot of stretch 4 for Golden State. He's not a great 3-point shooter by any stretch, but he can get on a streak. That's a lot to work with for a guy on a second-round salary.


Fisher
Floor General: Derek Fisher

This isn't a big role, but every roster needs a veteran who provides capable defense, hits open shots and can help settle a team down when things get frazzled. Fisher has been providing these services since the Nixon administration, and has had a quietly effective season for the Oklahoma City Thunder. He's shooting 39 percent from deep, and has a fine plus-2.26 defensive RPM.


Korver
Shooting Specialist: Kyle Korver

Korver is a starter these days, but we've splurged for his $6.7 million salary to make sure the game's best shooter is on our roster. Korver is not an elite defender by any stretch, but he's always been better on that end than people think. RPM agrees, giving him a plus-0.71 mark. You can't leave him on an island, but he gives you effort, plays smart and has exceptional hands.


Plumlee
Floor Runner: Mason Plumlee

You want guys who can run with James, and according to Synergy Sports Technologies, Plumlee ranks fifth in the league in points per transition play, minimum of 50 tries. He's super-efficient with a .672 true shooting percentage that leads our roster. Plumlee played so well that the Brooklyn Nets barely skipped a beat late in the season when he filled in for Kevin Garnett. You love a mix of veterans and youth, and Plumlee is working on the rookie salary scale.


Collison
Dirty Worker: Nick Collison

Any team that takes on-/off-court metrics under consideration has to love Collison. He's all intangibles. He's just a tick under replacement level in WARP this season, but has an eye-popping plus-6.34 RPM for the campaign. Folks, that's fifth in the league.

Hope for Future: Cody Zeller

Even win-now teams need developing players, and Zeller has grown into his draft slot as the season has progressed. He wouldn't play a lot on this team, but RPM sees him as already being an NBA defender, and WARP has him over replacement level. It's a great starting point for a 21-year-old.


Collins
Locker Room Guy: Jason Collins

At the end of the roster, intangibles are as important as measurables, even something as advanced as RPM. On a contender, you want a seasoned veteran who can fill a very small on-court role, but also serve as a quasi player-coach in the locker room. When no one wants to talk, he is perched in front of his locker after a tough loss, explaining the mindset of the team in an articulate manner to the press. Collins is the perfect 14th man, because in addition to all that, he defends the post, gives fouls when needed and is one of the premier screeners in the league. Collins, Kurt Thomas, Grant Hill -- these kinds of guys can be a crucial element on a well-rounded roster.
Starting Five looks good but the bench could be betterAnd do they really think Jason Collins can be the ultimate locker room presence? He'll be the reason for the locker room absence in all honesty. This really isn't the perfect roster ..:facepalm ESPN

aj1987
04-15-2014, 04:51 PM
That's just a nasty team! Minus Collins, of course. ****ing PC media.

Akrazotile
04-15-2014, 04:53 PM
Why not just use Bosh at PF?

Just because Love statpads as the primary scorer doesnt make him the better player. Bosh can put up 24 and 11 on a bad team too, which he did in Toronto. And he's a better system defender.


Bosh >> Love, deal with it.

Akrazotile
04-15-2014, 04:57 PM
That's just a nasty team! Minus Collins, of course. ****ing PC media.


That's so incredibly disgraceful that they included Collins on there. There are plenty of other veteran professionals that are good in the locker room who have more on court value than Collins, even just as spot duty/situational guys.

That's clearly a "oooh, look at my tolerance, i'm naming the gay guy so everyone knows i totally dont care about sexuality or anything man".


Article author = confirmed ph@ggit.

kshutts1
04-15-2014, 04:58 PM
Hm...

Noah
Ibaka
James
Green
Curry

Bench of...

Gibson
Collison
Barnes
Korver
Augustin
Birdman
Stephenson

Not sure what the salaries work out to be, but pretty sure it falls under the threshold.

J Shuttlesworth
04-15-2014, 05:00 PM
lol @ collins

But to his credit, what has the Nets record been since he joined?

DMAVS41
04-15-2014, 05:04 PM
Meh...


Foundation player - Durant

Running mate - Dirk

3rd wheel/defensive big - Asik

Floor spacer - Thompson

Glue guy - Conley

Bench spark - Leonard


I'm not going to build it out to 14, but here would be a roster I think is better going two deep at each position

Conley/Beverley
Thompson/Bradley
Durant/Leonard
Dirk/Wright
Asik/Vucevic

Then give me the four worst players ever to make up the remainder. I think that should get you around 75 million in salary...

Genaro
04-15-2014, 05:05 PM
Stopped reading at James over durant because of Malone and Jordan. Why people keep bringing that up?
Lebron isn't Jordan and Durant is better this season than Malone ever were. The gap between Jordan and Malone was much bigger than LBJ and KD (if there's any here to be honest)

J Shuttlesworth
04-15-2014, 05:08 PM
Stopped reading at James over durant because of Malone and Jordan. Why people keep bringing that up?
Lebron isn't Jordan and Durant is better this season than Malone ever were. The gap between Jordan and Malone was much bigger than LBJ and KD (if there's any here to be honest)
Karl Malone is seriously underrated here. In his prime, he was a 31/11 at 56% FG player. The GOAT is literally the only reason he's ringless. Let's not forget his defensive presence too which is far beyond Durant's d.

BlackVVaves
04-15-2014, 05:14 PM
Has LeBron ever succeeded without a point guard that can shoot the 3?

Beverly would be a shit fit next to Bron. Would literally be 4 v 5 on offense every possession.

IncarceratedBob
04-15-2014, 05:14 PM
Foundation Player: Chris Paul
Running Mate: Carmelo Anthony
Third Wheel: Joakim Noah
Floor Spacer: Klay Thompson
Glue Guy: Tim Duncan

Bench Spark: Nick Young
Energy Big: Jordan Hill
Perimeter Stopper: Tony Allen
Floor General: Steve Blake
Shooting Specialist: Mike Miller
Floor Runner: Steven Adams
Dirty Worker: Nick Collison
Hope for Future: Giannis Antetokounmpo
Locker Room Guy: Derek Fisher

Paul | Blake | Fisher
Thompson | Young | Allen
Anthony | Miller | Antetokounmpo
Duncan | Hill
Noah | Collison | Adams

zoom17
04-15-2014, 05:16 PM
Decent list why throw in Collins in there makes no sense.

Akrazotile
04-15-2014, 05:16 PM
Dragic
Sefalosha
Durant
Lebron
Marc Gasol

Mo Williams, Norris Cole, Ariza, Bonner, Tolliver, Birdman


I think thats just within the salary limit

LoneyROY7
04-15-2014, 05:17 PM
Can we stop with this terribly inaccurate analogy of Malone-Jordan to Durant-LeBron please?

Anyways...

Durant/Griffin duo > James/Love duo.

Rose'sACL
04-15-2014, 05:17 PM
Meh...


Foundation player - Durant

Running mate - Dirk

3rd wheel/defensive big - Asik

Floor spacer - Thompson

Glue guy - Conley

Bench spark - Leonard


I'm not going to build it out to 14, but here would be a roster I think is better going two deep at each position

Conley/Beverley
Thompson/Bradley
Durant/Leonard
Dirk/Wright
Asik/Vucevic

Then give me the four worst players ever to make up the remainder. I think that should get you around 75 million in salary...
that starting 5 would bleed points so much that a team like heat would win in 6 max.

sammichoffate
04-15-2014, 05:23 PM
Any of the Magic, Bird, Jordan, or Shaq dynasties would **** on that roster. 96 Bulls especially.

DMAVS41
04-15-2014, 05:25 PM
that starting 5 would bleed points so much that a team like heat would win in 6 max.

What?

Conley is great defensively. And so is Asik. Thompson and Durant are vastly under-rated defenders...

Only weak link on that unit would be Dirk...and the good far outweighs the bad. And if that became a problem...you could easily bring Leonard or Wright in to play 3 or 4 depending on if you want to go big or small.

The Warriors have the 4th best defense in the league this year....and with Thompson on the court they have a very solid 101.8 drtg...which would be good for the 3rd best in the league. Curry is nowhere near the defender Conley is.....Dirk is a better defensive player than Lee. I like Asik more than Bogut. Thompson is Thompson...and then it's Durant vs Iggy. No doubt Iggy is superior here, but not so much that the team would be awful defensively. I think that starting 5 would easily have a good enough defense...

Kingwillball
04-15-2014, 05:30 PM
Love all the insecure Lebron haters or Durant Stan's getting offending starting a team with Lebron over KD.. I would take love green Noah over bosh Wade Birdman in a second..

ArbitraryWater
04-15-2014, 05:33 PM
Was the rule to only have 2 All Stars? For that its fkn PERFECT

(Outside of Collins)

Rose'sACL
04-15-2014, 05:34 PM
What?

Conley is great defensively. And so is Asik. Thompson and Durant are vastly under-rated defenders...

Only weak link on that unit would be Dirk...and the good far outweighs the bad. And if that became a problem...you could easily bring Leonard or Wright in to play 3 or 4 depending on if you want to go big or small.

The Warriors have the 4th best defense in the league this year....and with Thompson on the court they have a very solid 101.8 drtg...which would be good for the 3rd best in the league. Curry is nowhere near the defender Conley is.....Dirk is a better defensive player than Lee. I like Asik more than Bogut. Thompson is Thompson...and then it's Durant vs Iggy. No doubt Iggy is superior here, but not so much that the team would be awful defensively. I think that starting 5 would easily have a good enough defense...
Warriors don't play playoff kind of defense. Thompson and durant are poor help defenders and this would be a big problem given that they have to cover for dirk.
Also, bogut would cause more problems for the other team than asik in playoffs.

kshutts1
04-15-2014, 05:43 PM
Warriors don't play playoff kind of defense. Thompson and durant are poor help defenders and this would be a big problem given that they have to cover for dirk.
Also, bogut would cause more problems for the other team than asik in playoffs.
WTF does that mean? lol. Just admit that you were wrong, DMAVS was right.

Uncle Drew
04-15-2014, 05:44 PM
Karl Malone is seriously underrated here. In his prime, he was a 31/11 at 56% FG player. The GOAT is literally the only reason he's ringless. Let's not forget his defensive presence too which is far beyond Durant's d.
The mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays.

DMAVS41
04-15-2014, 05:50 PM
Warriors don't play playoff kind of defense. Thompson and durant are poor help defenders and this would be a big problem given that they have to cover for dirk.
Also, bogut would cause more problems for the other team than asik in playoffs.

Totally disagree. I think Asik is just a better defender than Bogut actually.

Warriors don't play playoff defense? What does that even mean? The main reason why one might say something like that would be the fact that Curry is usually a minus defender. And replacing him with Conley/Beverley turns a big weakness into a huge positive on the defensive end.

My point is that the team I listed would be absolutely good enough to play championship level defense...they'd be somewhere in the top 6 or so in terms of defense on the year. And that is absolutely good enough...especially when we aren't in factoring in what Durant/Dirk do offensively that tires out players having to guard them all over so much that it makes it harder to go against them on offense.

If the Warriors can play top 4 defense in this league playing Curry/Lee...managing a 100.9 drtg with Lee on the court this year. There is no reason to think the above team...with great defensive backups at every position...would lose on defense.

zoom17
04-15-2014, 05:54 PM
The mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays.

:oldlol:

Milbuck
04-15-2014, 05:57 PM
Foundation Player: Kevin Durant

Running Mate: Steph Curry

Third Wheel: Joakim Noah

Floor Spacer: Ersan Ilyasova

Glue Guy: Tony Allen

Bench Spark: Jamal Crawford

Energy Big: Taj Gibson

Perimeter Stopper: Jimmy Butler

Floor General: Andre Miller

Shooting Specialist: Kyle Korver

Floor Runner: Gerald Green

Dirty Worker: Jordan Hill

Hope for Future: Giannis Antetokounmpo

Locker Room Guy: Derek Fisher



Curry / Fisher / Miller
Allen / Crawford / Korver
Butler / Giannis / Green
Durant / Hill / Ilyasova
Noah / Gibson

KyrieTheFuture
04-15-2014, 06:17 PM
LeBron, Griffin and Noah is better. Dat passing. Dat athleticism.

scm5
04-16-2014, 11:48 AM
Deandre Jordan
Blake Griffin
Lebron James
Danny Green
Mario Chalmers

Jamal Crawford, Nick Collison, Jordan Hill, Tony Allen, Patrick Beverley

DJ, BG, LBJ are probably the three most athletic guys at their position as well as the best finishers.

Lebron and Griffin would thrive with Green and Chalmers spacing the floor and getting steals. Fast break points would come so easily to this team...

Trollsmasher
04-16-2014, 11:54 AM
Guys in ESPN have found their El Dorado in RAPM, haven't they?:lol

Bosnian Sajo
04-16-2014, 12:34 PM
Nowadays if you're an old, washed up athlete, the most profitable thing you can do for your career is come out gay. Jason Collins was a nobody during his 10 years in the NBA, only true followers of the league knew who tf he was. Now he is a celebrity, well known by all and said to be a good NBA player, good locker room presence :facepalm

el gringos
04-16-2014, 01:04 PM
Dragic
Jr smith
Carmelo
Kevin love
Bargnani


Jimmer/Alec burks/nick Johnson
James Johnson/Elias Harris
Jason smith/fesenko/Aldrich/Tyler

J Shuttlesworth
04-16-2014, 01:10 PM
Nowadays if you're an old, washed up athlete, the most profitable thing you can do for your career is come out gay. Jason Collins was a nobody during his 10 years in the NBA, only true followers of the league knew who tf he was. Now he is a celebrity, well known by all and said to be a good NBA player, good locker room presence :facepalm
lol someone needs to pave the way for gays to be open in sports. Why not Jason Collins?

Marlo_Stanfield
04-16-2014, 01:15 PM
Why not just use Bosh at PF?

Just because Love statpads as the primary scorer doesnt make him the better player. Bosh can put up 24 and 11 on a bad team too, which he did in Toronto. And he's a better system defender.


Bosh >> Love, deal with it.
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wally_world
04-16-2014, 01:42 PM
Not using any of the players used I made this team

Foundation Player: Kevin Durant
Running Mate: Tim Duncan
Third Wheel: Goran Dragic
Floor Spacer: Arron Afflalo
Glue Guy: David West

Bench Spark: Manu Ginobili
Energy Big: Markieff Morris
Perimeter Stopper: PJ Tucker
Floor General: Andre Miller
Shooting Specialist: Ray Allen
Floor Runner: Kenneth Faried
Dirty Worker: Anderson Varejao
Hope for Future: Victor Oladipo
Locker Room Guy: Brian Scalabrine

Dragic / Miller
Afflalo / Ginobili / Allen / Oladipo
Durant / Tucker / Scalabrine
West / Faried / Morris
Duncan / Varejao

Marlo_Stanfield
04-16-2014, 01:50 PM
Foundation Player: Kevin Durant

Running Mate: Steph Curry

Third Wheel: Joakim Noah

Floor Spacer: Ersan Ilyasova

Glue Guy: Tony Allen

Bench Spark: Jamal Crawford

Energy Big: Taj Gibson

Perimeter Stopper: Jimmy Butler

Floor General: Andre Miller

Shooting Specialist: Kyle Korver

Floor Runner: Gerald Green

Dirty Worker: Jordan Hill

Hope for Future: Giannis Antetokounmpo

Locker Room Guy: Derek Fisher



Curry / Fisher / Miller
Allen / Crawford / Korver
Butler / Giannis / Green
Durant / Hill / Ilyasova
Noah / Gibson
:roll: :roll: :applause:

SpecialQue
04-16-2014, 01:53 PM
I want to know what the fvck Collins is doing in the locker room to make him such a valuable "locker room presence." I'm not buying the reasons given.

davehos
04-16-2014, 01:56 PM
Not sure why everyone hypes Kevin Love. The man can't play D. Timberwolves lost how many close games? He's always lookin for a board and not defending the rim.

It's hard to win when you have to score 105+ every night just to have a chance. They allow 104 points per game ....

I'll take old man Tim Duncan over Love any day of the week. Anthony Davis is leaps and bounds better than Kevin Love and he's in his 2nd year.

blablabla
04-17-2014, 06:26 AM
I would take Andre Miller instead of Fisher or Beverly, because while he isn't consistant 3 point shooter he can at least bring the ball up the court and make plays. Lebron would be the only perimeter player with true pointguard skills on this team.

russwest0
04-17-2014, 06:30 AM
ESPN, where LeBron is now Jordan and Durant is Karl Malone for not having won a ring through age 24.... :facepalm

russwest0
04-17-2014, 06:32 AM
The worst part is they acted like they were assembling this roster taking into account future considerations as well and still chose LeBron over Durant even though Durant will have 2x more play in his prime moving forward, is currently the better player, and has the better contract.

Just BSPN at it again. :facepalm

BIZARRO
04-17-2014, 08:34 AM
Karl Malone is seriously underrated here. In his prime, he was a 31/11 at 56% FG player. The GOAT is literally the only reason he's ringless. Let's not forget his defensive presence too which is far beyond Durant's d.


Definitely seriously underrated.