Paul George or James Harden?

[Random_Guy]

Now that we are approaching the end of the season, and getting ready for the playoffs, who do you have RIGHT NOW? At the beginning of the season, people would no doubt pick George, but George's offensive play has fallen off a cliff in the past few month.


For me, I'm taking James Harden, I think right now, George's defense does not offset what Harden does on the offensive end (though you could argue that his defense is infinitely better than Harden since Harden's defensive ability is a 0). Despite the criticism he gets, I do think Harden is quite consistent in getting his points, and I see Harden performing well being an x-factor for the rockets going forward.

Would be an interesting thread to bump a few rounds into the playoffs.

What says you ish?

Paul George:
Atlanta Hawks @ Indiana Pacers:
Game 1-Loss
P. George | F | 40:37 MIN | 6/18 FGM/A | 3/8 3PM/A | 9/12 FTM/A | -1 +/- | 4 OFF | 6 DEF | 10 TOT | 5 AST | 3 PF | 4 ST | 2 TO | 2 BS | 3 BA | 24 PTS
Game 2-Win
P. George | F | 38:47 MIN | 9/16 FGM/A | 5/7 3PM/A | 4/4 FTM/A | +29 +/- | 1 OFF | 9 DEF | 10 TOT | 6 AST | 0 PF | 4 ST | 1 TO | 1 BS | 0 BA | 27 PTS
Game 3-Loss
P. George | F | 36:17 MIN | 3/11 FGM/A | 1/4 3PM/A | 5/6 FTM/A | -16 +/- | 1 OFF | 13 DEF | 14 TOT | 4 AST | 3 PF | 0 ST | 3 TO | 0 BS | 0 BA | 12 PTS



James Harden:
Portland Trail Blazers @ Houston Rockets:
Game 1-Loss
J. Harden | SG | 44:59 MIN | 8/28 FGM/A | 3/14 3PM/A | 8/10 FTM/A | -8 +/- | 2 OFF | 3 DEF | 5 TOT | 6 AST | 3 PF | 1 ST | 4 TO | 0 BS | n/a BA | 27 PTS
Game 2-Loss
J. Harden | SG | 44 MIN | 6/19 FGM/A | 2/5 3PM/A | 4/4 FTM/A | +1 +/- | 0 OFF | 3 DEF | 3 TOT | 4 AST | 6 PF | 1 ST | 5 TO | 0 BS | n/a BA | 18 PTS

[navy]

Paul George has been a complete scrub these past few months. He was better than Harden then, but then his shot went broke for way too long.

[Smook A.]

If Harden played better defense he'd easily be a top 4 player in the NBA.

I gotta say Harden. PG hasn't been good since 2014 started. Hes had games where he shot less than 40%. He even had a game where he shot 0-9...

Since the all-star break James Harden has been averaging about 27/8/5. For the season he avg 25.5/6.1/4.7.

I think PG put up 21/6/3 a game. He plays good defense but it can't make up his bad play.

[Random_Guy]

If Harden played better defense he'd easily be a top 4 player in the NBA.

I gotta say Harden. PG hasn't been good since 2014 started. Hes had games where he shot less than 40%. He even had a game where he shot 0-9...

Since the all-star break James Harden has been averaging about 27/8/5. For the season he avg 25.5/6.1/4.7.

I think PG put up 21/6/3 a game. He plays good defense but it can't make up his bad play.
:applause: and the number doesnt really give harden justice since PG was putting up insane numbers in 2013(probably a hot shooting streak), he has played terribly and inconsistently in the latter part of the year, where harden has played well offensively all year around. However Harden's defense is a joke:facepalm :facepalm

[Rocketswin2013]

Harden.


As negative as Harden can be on defense the defense is no better with him off the floor(+/-)

And George is a negative on offense alot of times.

Harden also accumlates more offense than George stops.

[fpliii]

PG :applause:

[Yankstar]

Harden as much as it pains me to say it since offence > Defence and PG's offence has sucked shit the second half of the season.

[fpliii]

Harden as much as it pains me to say it since offence > Defence and PG's offence has sucked shit the second half of the season.
:coleman:

[navy]

:coleman:
It's true though. For perimeter players mostly.
A team can hide a horrid defender and allow him to be a star.

[fpliii]

It's true though. For perimeter players mostly.
A team can hide a horrid defender and allow him to be a star.
Maybe, if you break it down positionally. Good point.

[Fire Colangelo]

Probably Harden, I prefer my team to have an actual 1st option who does go 2-11 every other game. PG's defense is great, but lets not act like he's Pippen tier.


Maybe, if you break it down positionally. Good point.


Durant averaged 37/7/3 on 54% shooting on George this year
Melo averaged 31/9/3 on 44% shooting on George this year
LeBron averaged 29/9/5 on 52% shooting on George this year

So it's not like he's shutting anyone down. If he's gonna get praised for his team defense then his whole team should be credited as a better defensive team.

As bad as Harden's defense is, he makes up for it on the offensive side of the ball, no?

[Smook A.]

Im not a biased Rockets fan.

If Paul George actually played with consistency and didn't go on a shooting then i'd obviously say him.

[navy]

Durant averaged 37/7/3 on 54% shooting on George this year
Melo averaged 31/9/3 on 44% shooting on George this year
LeBron averaged 29/9/5 on 52% shooting on George this year

So it's not like he's shutting anyone down. If he's gonna get praised for his team defense then his whole team should be credited as a better defensive team.

As bad as Harden's defense is, he makes up for it on the offensive side of the ball, no?
Let's be honest. Those are the three best offensive players in the NBA. Nobody is shutting them down.

When I saw Paul George and Harden go head to head this season I knew who was the better player in the games. Unfortunately both games gave different results and in the end Harden was the one.

[Fire Colangelo]

Let's be honest. Those are the three best offensive players in the NBA. Nobody is shutting them down.

When I saw Paul George and Harden go head to head this season I knew who was the better player in the games. Unfortunately both games gave different results and in the end Harden was the one.

Well, I don't expect him to shut down them. I expect him to limit the opposing star's production.

But he really doesn't...

I mean, he's a good defender. but hes not exactly a game changer on the defensive end

[NumberSix]

Ever since PG been knocking up strippers and sending cοck pics to trannys, it's like his mind is somewhere else.

[navy]

Well, I don't expect him to shut down them. I expect him to limit the opposing star's production.

But he really doesn't...

I mean, he's a good defender. but hes not exactly a game changer on the defensive end

Disagree. He made Harden look like a scrub the first time they played. That was long ago. :facepalm

he guards point guards very well which very few can do. Which changes games completely.

[Smook A.]

We'll know the TRUE answer to this come playoff time.

[Milbuck]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

even tho PG has been playing like shit for a huge streak, i would still take him over the ultra-mega scrub

[Fire Colangelo]

Disagree. He made Harden look like a scrub the first time they played. That was long ago. :facepalm

he guards point guards very well which very few can do. Which changes games completely.

And Harden got him back late in the season.

He doesn't guard point guards for the whole game though. I always felt like his defense is a product of Hibbert's ability to defend the rim. I could be wrong, but that's how I see it when I watch the games.

I like a guy that can take over games with his offense when the game is on the line. I don't need my main guy to be a defensive monster because it's much easier to cover defensive flaws than offensive flaws.

Do I think the Pacers would have a better record with Harden as opposed to George? Definitely.

[Random_Guy]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
hey bro bump that avy bet thread of yours, gonna start posting in it now:applause:

[Random_Guy]

We'll know the TRUE answer to this come playoff time.
point of this thread, will be interesting on how people's perceptions change/not change come playoff performance:cheers: :banana: :D

[YouGotServed]

lol How is this even a question? Harden of course.

[Smook A.]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

It's absurd how little you know about the game. - Milbuck (You said this not to long ago)

You might hate Harden, but you can't question his talent. He was #5 in scoring this season. 25.4 ppg. Harden also dished out 6.1 apg, grabbed 5 rpg while getting 2 spg. The only thing missing in his game is defense.

25/6/5/2. Add defense and you got the 3rd or 4th best player in the game.

You might come back with the "didnt read" bullshit. You might also nitpick a few words in this post and make fun it. Go ahead... do what you want to make you feel better

[Genaro]

PG from the start of the season. Great defense and good ofense.

[Shade8780]

I havent watched the Pacers lately, but people would take Harden over PG? He must have fell off hard.

[Smook A.]

I havent watched the Pacers lately, but people would take Harden over PG? He must have fell off hard.
Were you watching the NBA when Paul George was shooting less than 40% for 3 months?

[Myth]

If Harden played better defense he'd easily be a top 4 player in the NBA.



If George played better offense he'd easily be a top 4 player in the NBA. :confusedshrug:

[Myth]

We'll know the TRUE answer to this come playoff time.

So.... neither. They will both most likely fail to make the Finals.

[Milbuck]

- Milbuck (You said this not to long ago)

You might hate Harden, but you can't question his talent. He was #5 in scoring this season. 25.4 ppg. Harden also dished out 6.1 apg, grabbed 5 rpg while getting 2 spg. The only thing missing in his game is defense.

25/6/5/2. Add defense and you got the 3rd or 4th best player in the game.

You might come back with the "didnt read" bullshit. You might also nitpick a few words in this post and make fun it. Go ahead... do what you want to make you feel better
What a bullshit argument. Give Monta Ellis Gary Payton's defense and you have a top 10 player. Give Kevin Love defense and his Wolves would be in the playoffs and he'd be a serious MVP candidate every single year. Give Steph Curry more defense and he's the undisputed best PG in the game.

You can't just throw out "b-b-b-but if he played more defense"

The point is, he doesn't play defense. He's an absolute liability, a piss poor defender and it hurts his team on a regular basis. We can throw out hypotheticals, but that's all they are.

Offensively he's one of the most worthless "stars" in the league when the refs decide to hold off on the whistle, and when teams figure how to play him tight at the 3. It's a big reason why he was shook like a little bitch against Miami in 2012, and OKC last year (39% FG). He's only torching teams in the playoffs when he has legendary perimeter teammates like KD and Westbrook to take nearly all the pressure off.

You'll most likely get past the Blazers, but I can't wait to watch him get torn apart by the Spurs and/or Thunder.

[boozehound]

harden is such a woeful defender, I have to take George. Sure, hes offense is much less reliable, but damn, the beard is one of the worst defenders in the entire game.

[navy]

harden is such a woeful defender, I have to take George. Sure, hes offense is much less reliable, but damn, the beard is one of the worst defenders in the entire game.
You can hide bad perimeter defenders.

[YouGotServed]

What a bullshit argument. Give Monta Ellis Gary Payton's defense and you have a top 10 player. Give Kevin Love defense and his Wolves would be in the playoffs and he'd be a serious MVP candidate every single year. Give Steph Curry more defense and he's the undisputed best PG in the game.

You can't just throw out "b-b-b-but if he played more defense"

The point is, he doesn't play defense. He's an absolute liability, a piss poor defender and it hurts his team on a regular basis. We can throw out hypotheticals, but that's all they are.

Offensively he's one of the most worthless "stars" in the league when the refs decide to hold off on the whistle, and when teams figure how to play him tight at the 3. It's a big reason why he was shook like a little bitch against Miami in 2012, and OKC last year (39% FG). He's only torching teams in the playoffs when he has legendary perimeter teammates like KD and Westbrook to take nearly all the pressure off.

You'll most likely get past the Blazers, but I can't wait to watch him get torn apart by the Spurs and/or Thunder.

cool story. tell it again.

[Milbuck]

cool story. tell it again.
Painfully obvious that you read every word :oldlol:

Conference finals doe!

[YouGotServed]

Painfully obvious that you read every word :oldlol:

Conference finals doe!

tell it again.

[Smook A.]

What a bullshit argument. Give Monta Ellis Gary Payton's defense and you have a top 10 player. Give Kevin Love defense and his Wolves would be in the playoffs and he'd be a serious MVP candidate every single year. Give Steph Curry more defense and he's the undisputed best PG in the game.

You can't just throw out "b-b-b-but if he played more defense"

The point is, he doesn't play defense. He's an absolute liability, a piss poor defender and it hurts his team on a regular basis. We can throw out hypotheticals, but that's all they are.

Offensively he's one of the most worthless "stars" in the league when the refs decide to hold off on the whistle, and when teams figure how to play him tight at the 3. It's a big reason why he was shook like a little bitch against Miami in 2012, and OKC last year (39% FG). He's only torching teams in the playoffs when he has legendary perimeter teammates like KD and Westbrook to take nearly all the pressure off.

You'll most likely get past the Blazers, but I can't wait to watch him get torn apart by the Spurs and/or Thunder.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

You're bringing up some things from more than a year ago. 2013 playoffs was last year. The 2012 finals was 2 years ago. Are you gonna keep bringing up the "He did bad in the 2012 finals" argument over and over again to say that he's a bad player??

Nikka, players IMPROVE over time. His defense barely improved but it has looked better since last year.

And you say he can't score without the whitle? Looolz. Do some research before you say bullshit, buddy.

March 27th vs 76ers: 26 points on 3 free throws made
March 24th vs Bobcats: 31 points on 4 free throws made
March 20th vs Wolves: 28 points on 4 free throws made
March 11th vs Thunder: 28 points on 7 free throws made
March 7th vs Pacers: 28 points on 4 free throws made
March 5th vs Magic: 31 points on 7 free throws made

I could keep going on and on if I want to. He draws fouls because he knows its a smart and efficient way to get points.

[YouGotServed]

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

You're bringing up some things from more than a year ago. 2013 playoffs was last year. The 2012 finals was 2 years ago. Are you gonna keep bringing up the "He did bad in the 2012 finals" argument over and over again to say that he's a bad player??

Nikka, players IMPROVE over time. His defense barely improved but it has looked better since last year.

And you say he can't score without the whitle? Looolz. Do some research before you say bullshit, buddy.

March 27th vs 76ers: 26 points on 3 free throws made
March 24th vs Bobcats: 31 points on 4 free throws made
March 20th vs Wolves: 28 points on 4 free throws made
March 11th vs Thunder: 28 points on 7 free throws made
March 7th vs Pacers: 28 points on 4 free throws made
March 5th vs Magic: 31 points on 7 free throws made

I could keep going on and on if I want to. He draws fouls because he knows its a smart and efficient way to get points.

Saved, will rep later. :applause:

[Smook A.]

Saved, will rep later. :applause:
:cheers:

[ABfor3]

I don't even know why we should even bother arguing with Milbutt when it comes to Harden, he will never overcome his hatred for him. He's just salty af like most Bucks fans I know

[Milbuck]

tell it again.
You've read it multiple times, no need to tell it again :cheers:

Thanks for the constant reads.

[Smook A.]

You've read it multiple times, no need to tell it again :cheers:

Thanks for the constant reads.
No reply for my post? http://insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9806666&postcount=36

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

Beginning of the year everyone picked George now its Harden.

[moe94]

Beginning of the year everyone picked George now its Harden.
Weird, huh?

While stats don't tell the whole story, let's look anyway:

Harden: 25/5/6 on 46%, 62 TS%

George: 22/7/2.5 on 42%, 56 TS%

Does the defense more than make up for it and make George a better player?

[Jetballer24]

The Paul George slander is getting so tiresome. If you watch youtube videos on the NBA channel all they do is call him overrated. This will all go full cycle when people are going to start underrating him by hating on him so much.

[Bob Dole]

Harden. I never thought George was better than him.

[navy]

Harden. I never thought George was better than him.
First half of the season.....

[JohnFreeman]

neither

[moe94]

The Paul George slander is getting so tiresome. If you watch youtube videos on the NBA channel all they do is call him overrated. This will all go full cycle when people are going to start underrating him by hating on him so much.

The Blake Griffin effect

[Smook A.]

neither
So this is how you got 8,000 posts in 4 months.

1 word replies every 30 seconds

[Smook A.]

First half of the season.....
People forgetting too fast

[aboss4real24]

harden is the most lazy defender in the nba

and will b xposed vs portland

iLL Go with PG

[YouGotServed]

You've read it multiple times, no need to tell it again :cheers:

Thanks for the constant reads.

You madd I clown you brah?

[Random_Guy]

People forgetting too fast
Oh people remember, that's why it's even close

[disel]

Harden's offense is probably tied with melo as the 4th or the 3rd best in the league. His defense however is goddamn awefull.The disparity on one side compared to the other is astounding. If he becomes even a average defender he will be the 3rd best player in he league straight away.

[Denitron]

Harden

[RidonKs]

if i could choose either guy to suit up for the pacers going into the playoffs, i'd probably take harden. given the same option replacing saaay vince carter on the mavs, i expect i'd take george. brooklyn i'd take george. grizzlies i'd take harden. clippers i'd take george. bobcats i'd take harden.

point is this is more or less a coin toss just based on this season. but we're talking about a paul george that had a miserable back half of the season. shooting like 35% since the allstar break or something crazy.

he's already demonstrated he can be an efficient high volume scorer last year and early this year. but right now he's a superstar in his head but he's too big for his britches and will need to continue to hone his skills to reach the upper echelon. his handle is still weak leading him to overdribble, he doesn't really have a go-to move, and he relies too much on the 3 ball. and to make matters worse, he's in a brutal slump. still i expect we'll see him break out this playoff same as he did last year.

so gun to my head looking to the future, george is the easy selection. right now going into the playoffs, its mostly a coin flip dependent on what your team does and doesn't do well.

[Dro]

if i could choose either guy to suit up for the pacers going into the playoffs, i'd probably take harden. given the same option replacing saaay vince carter on the mavs, i expect i'd take george. brooklyn i'd take george. grizzlies i'd take harden. clippers i'd take george. bobcats i'd take harden.

point is this is more or less a coin toss just based on this season. but we're talking about a paul george that had a miserable back half of the season. shooting like 35% since the allstar break or something crazy.

he's already demonstrated he can be efficient. right now he's a superstar in his head but he's too big for his britches and will need to continue to hone his skills. his handle is still weak leading him to overdribble, he doesn't really have a go-to move, and he relies too much on the 3 ball. right now he's in a brutal slump but i expect we'll see him break out this playoff same as he did last year.

so gun to my head looking to the future, george is the easy selection. but right now going into the playoffs, its mostly a coin flip dependent on what your team does and doesn't do well.
I can respect this...Great post:applause:

[Dro]

Paul George's last 5 games, he hasn't shot well but he's getting to the line more which is something I've been wanting him to get better at....He's scored 27,26,18,22,20 on basically 40%. He's going to need to pick that FG% up...

[Random_Guy]

ok, ive decided im gonna update the stats of these two players throughout the playoffs. Its going to be pretty interesting to watch, seeing as how both player improved their games tremendously and became all-stars.

[Bob Dole]

First half of the season.....

No even then I said harden when this question was asked. I just prefer Hardens more volume, efficient scoring, and passing ability over george's better defense.

Simple as that.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Is this a joke?

Harden by far. Indy would be even better with him instead of PG.

[Random_Guy]

bump, pumped for the playoffs.

[Random_Guy]

paul george starting out nicely, but imho is not playing as good as his stats indicate. we shall see

[Smook A.]

bump, pumped for the playoffs.
:banana:

[Random_Guy]

:banana:
love your avy bro:bowdown: :cheers: :banana: :banana:

[Smook A.]

love your avy bro:bowdown: :cheers: :banana: :banana:
Appreciate it, homie :cheers:

[pnyozzzoo]

I think Houston and Indy should trade in the off season, Harden for PG, and both team will get better.

Indy is a defensive minded team offensively challenged, They can hide Harden's D better and allow him to create for him self and for others which PG lacks. Lance doing that job and almost play him self into an all star snub, imagine Harden doing that.

Houston get instantly better as they so desperately need a wing defender and with multiple position offensively talented PG's team offense star style fit right in. Parson, Lin , Jone, Dwight all can create their own shot at good not elite level and the team ball offense will be flowing. ON defense Howard, PG, bev, omg crazy.

Too bad both are too big of a star for their team and are untouchable for trade. Even thu it makse sense and both young and very comparable situation, the most WIN WIN trade ever.

[Random_Guy]

Appreciate it, homie :cheers:
:cheers:

[MellowYellow]

paul george starting out nicely, but imho is not playing as good as his stats indicate. we shall see

In what way is Paul George playing nicely? :facepalm

[Random_Guy]

In what way is Paul George playing nicely? :facepalm
stats man, stats
he has not been performing as well as his stats indicate

[Random_Guy]

I think Houston and Indy should trade in the off season, Harden for PG, and both team will get better.

Indy is a defensive minded team offensively challenged, They can hide Harden's D better and allow him to create for him self and for others which PG lacks. Lance doing that job and almost play him self into an all star snub, imagine Harden doing that.

Houston get instantly better as they so desperately need a wing defender and with multiple position offensively talented PG's team offense star style fit right in. Parson, Lin , Jone, Dwight all can create their own shot at good not elite level and the team ball offense will be flowing. ON defense Howard, PG, bev, omg crazy.

Too bad both are too big of a star for their team and are untouchable for trade. Even thu it makse sense and both young and very comparable situation, the most WIN WIN trade ever.
I agree with this, but imo I think george still has the higher potential.

[Rocketswin2013]

Like I said in the beginning, while Harden can be a negative on D but George is almost always a negative on O.

[Random_Guy]

P. George | F | 40:37 MIN | 6/18 FGM/A | 3/8 3PM/A | 9/12 FTM/A | -1 +/- | 4 OFF | 6 DEF | 10 TOT | 5 AST | 3 PF | 4 ST | 2 TO | 2 BS | 3 BA | 24 PTS
Special Bonus:
R. Hibbert | C | 29:53 MIN | 4/9 FGM/A | 0/1 3PM/A | 0/2 FTM/A | -11 +/- | 2 OFF | 6 DEF | 8 TOT | 0 AST | 5 PF | 0 ST | 4 TO | 0 BS | 2 BA | 8 PTS

[Random_Guy]

will update this game by game from now on.

[Random_Guy]

Overall Paul george sucked in game one. That will be all.

[ronnymac]

I think Houston and Indy should trade in the off season, Harden for PG, and both team will get better.

Indy is a defensive minded team offensively challenged, They can hide Harden's D better and allow him to create for him self and for others which PG lacks. Lance doing that job and almost play him self into an all star snub, imagine Harden doing that.

Houston get instantly better as they so desperately need a wing defender and with multiple position offensively talented PG's team offense star style fit right in. Parson, Lin , Jone, Dwight all can create their own shot at good not elite level and the team ball offense will be flowing. ON defense Howard, PG, bev, omg crazy.

Too bad both are too big of a star for their team and are untouchable for trade. Even thu it makse sense and both young and very comparable situation, the most WIN WIN trade ever.

Houston says no thanks. Harden is the best playmaking SG(best SG period) and probably is better then majority of the PG's in he league interms of passing and setting his team up. He is clutch as anyone in he league. ihout harden bailing us out of so many games his season, we would have been nowhere where we are.

Harden is 24 and has not even come close to reaching his prime. Harden is better then George period.

[Smook A.]

Houston says no thanks. Harden is the best playmaking SG(best SG period) and probably is better then majority of the PG's in he league interms of passing and setting his team up. He is clutch as anyone in he league. ihout harden bailing us out of so many games his season, we would have been nowhere where we are.

Harden is 24 and has not even come close to reaching his prime. Harden is better then George period.
Hopefully he improves his defense

Harden playing defense would make him a scary scary player

[Milbuck]

Hopefully he improves his defense

Harden playing defense would make him a scary scary player
He's not going to improve his defense, he's just naturally an apathetic little shit about the little things. Looks for the flashy glory that nets him the little victories...but completely ignores the hard work that wins what's truly important. He'll always be about playing the system, chucking up 3's, being the fame driven pseudo-star that he is. He'll never be a worker, the leader, a winner like Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, and soon to be Durant and Westbrook. He could get torched for 45 points by a total scrub...but in his pathetic little brain, if he gets 25-5-5, he's done his job. Regardless of whether it's on 2 field goals and 21 free throws or not, he'll be satisfied.

The guy sucks, period.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Honestly? Toss up.

[TMac&Luther]

He's not going to improve his defense, he's just naturally an apathetic little shit about the little things. Looks for the flashy glory that nets him the little victories...but completely ignores the hard work that wins what's truly important. He'll always be about playing the system, chucking up 3's, being the fame driven pseudo-star that he is. He'll never be a worker, the leader, a winner like Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, and soon to be Durant and Westbrook. He could get torched for 45 points by a total scrub...but in his pathetic little brain, if he gets 25-5-5, he's done his job. Regardless of whether it's on 2 field goals and 21 free throws or not, he'll be satisfied.

The guy sucks, period.

So in short.. Harden ****'d your big booty mother? (glad to know, because we all know if she didn't have a wagon Harden wouldn't of given her the time of day).

Next time you should just lead off with that instead of crying and typing nonsense on the interwebs just because you're upset and mad.

[Milbuck]

So in short.. Harden ****'d your big booty mother? (glad to know, because we all know if she didn't have a wagon Harden wouldn't of given her the time of day).

Next time you should just lead off with that instead of crying and typing nonsense on the interwebs, because you're upset and mad.
Didn't read a single word of that.

Harden is a scrub, at best. Accept it and move on.

[TMac&Luther]

Didn't read a single word of that.

Harden is a scrub, at best. Accept it and move on.


First of all.. stop lying

Second :oldlol: You just tell mommy to keep rockin that grade A turd cutter of hers and Harden and Rockets fans will remain happy. It's a win win situation.. Everyone in Houston and Harden will remain happy and you get to continue to hate. It's a win win.

[Milbuck]

First of all.. stop lying

Second :oldlol: You just tell mommy to keep rockin that grade A turd cutter of hers and Harden and Rockets fans will remain happy. It's a win win situation.. Everyone in Houston and Harden will remain happy and you get to continue to hate. It's a win win.
When Beardsley is nowhere to be found when it matters most, are you gonna melt down on here or disappear just like him?

I guess we'll find out.

[YouGotServed]

He's not going to improve his defense, he's just naturally an apathetic little shit about the little things. Looks for the flashy glory that nets him the little victories...but completely ignores the hard work that wins what's truly important. He'll always be about playing the system, chucking up 3's, being the fame driven pseudo-star that he is. He'll never be a worker, the leader, a winner like Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, and soon to be Durant and Westbrook. He could get torched for 45 points by a total scrub...but in his pathetic little brain, if he gets 25-5-5, he's done his job. Regardless of whether it's on 2 field goals and 21 free throws or not, he'll be satisfied.

The guy sucks, period.

cool story. tell it again.

[TMac&Luther]

When Beardsley is nowhere to be found when it matters most, are you gonna melt down on here or disappear just like him?

I guess we'll find out.


Hey jackass... look at my handle. If I didn't disappear after that what the hell makes you think I'd disappear after a possible poor Harden performance? :facepalm Unlike other people I don't need to create a bazillion other I.D.'s

[Cold soul]

Toss up. I'll lean towards PG but it's close.

[Milbuck]

Hey jackass... look at my handle. If I didn't disappear after that what the hell makes you think I'd disappear after a possible poor Harden performance? :facepalm Unlike other people I don't need to create a bazillion other I.D.'s
So you're gonna be here melting down. Got it. I'll be here to pick up the pieces, arrange them neatly, and take a steaming shit on them.

[TMac&Luther]

So you're gonna be here melting down. Got it. I'll be here to pick up the pieces, arrange them neatly, and take a steaming shit on them.

Umm seeing how I don't expect them to win it all... no. Try again. There's a LOT of different options between "melting down and "disappearing" :facepalm I don't have to be forced into your dumbass scenarios... so by all means, feel free to take a big steaming pile on your outcomes

Houston is still another year or two away.. I have always felt that, but that doesn't mean I think Harden sucks or is a piece of crap.

[Graviton]

James Harden on defense = Paul George on offense.

So it's like do you want a scrub with no offensive skill or a dumbass that's a statue on defense. I would go with Harden just because he can at least score 25+ consistently while George is a big question mark currently.

[NumberSix]

James Harden's main talent is driving into the lane and feigning whiplash.

[DMAVS41]

James Harden on defense = Paul George on offense.

So it's like do you want a scrub with no offensive skill or a dumbass that's a statue on defense. I would go with Harden just because he can at least score 25+ consistently while George is a big question mark currently.

George on offense is not the equivalent to Harden on defense.

PG is not nearly as bad offensively as he's being made out to be.

Harden vs PG is a tough one because so much of it would depend on the circumstances they are in to determine which guys would be better.

[Graviton]

George on offense is not the equivalent to Harden on defense.

PG is not nearly as bad offensively as he's being made out to be.

Harden vs PG is a tough one because so much of it would depend on the circumstances they are in to determine which guys would be better.
Idk watching PG on offense is pretty hilarious, dude has no idea wtf to do in the halfcourt. He got all that size and athleticism but is neither quick off the dribble or good in the post. Usually all he does is jack up 3s and long 2s. That's same as Harden standing around watching the ball to me.

He should be so much better, Hawks have nobody on the perimeter or the post to guard him. But he doesn't have the offensive skillset to dominate like Lebron would in his situation.

[DMAVS41]

Idk watching PG on offense is pretty hilarious, dude has no idea wtf to do in the halfcourt. He got all that size and athleticism but is neither quick off the dribble or good in the post. Usually all he does is jack up 3s and long 2s. That's same as Harden standing around watching the ball to me.

He should be so much better, Hawks have nobody on the perimeter or the post to guard him. But he doesn't have the offensive skillset to dominate like Lebron would in his situation.

Yea, PG certainly hasn't played well offensively lately, but he's still an above average offensive player in the league.

Harden is a below average defensive player though.


I wonder how much it has to do with the Pacers. PG isn't a point guard or point forward really...that isn't his game. I think honestly it's a bit unfair to ask him to do so much offensively on such a shit offense. That just isn't his skill set. I'm not trying to make excuses for him, but this Pacers situation is crazy. Those guys don't even set good screens anymore. They don't do anything well offensively...it's a total joke.

[Graviton]

Yea, PG certainly hasn't played well offensively lately, but he's still an above average offensive player in the league.

Harden is a below average defensive player though.


I wonder how much it has to do with the Pacers. PG isn't a point guard or point forward really...that isn't his game. I think honestly it's a bit unfair to ask him to do so much offensively on such a shit offense. That just isn't his skill set. I'm not trying to make excuses for him, but this Pacers situation is crazy. Those guys don't even set good screens anymore. They don't do anything well offensively...it's a total joke.

PG needs to be on a team like Warriors, Clippers, OKC. High energy run and gun teams that can make use of his attributes. Right now he is stuck in one of the worst offensive teams in the league that play at a snail's pace and don't even execute defensively anymore. It's sad to watch.

We will see if Pacers turn it around or crash and burn.

[Random_Guy]

Strictly talking about defense, George's elite d didn't show up today. The pacers need to pull their shit together, otherwise there may really be an upset.

[veilside23]

Pg ...

[Dro]

Like I said in the beginning, while Harden can be a negative on D but George is almost always a negative on O.
24 points, 9-12 from the foul line...made 3 three's...oh yeah, also dishing assists, should have about 7-8 and 4 steals...only on ISH is this a negative...I know he shot a low percentage but he still got to the line...You know the same thing James Harden does? Except PG doesn't routinely have free throws gifted to him..

Ish LOVES hyperbole.....A guy is averaging 22 pts per game and he's horrible on offense and doesn't have a clue in the half court, as if he scores all his points in transition....In case noone notice, the Pacers rarely score in transition so obviously, most if his points come in the half court since Vogel likes to play at a snail's place..

[YouGotServed]

24 points, 9-12 from the foul line...made 3 three's...oh yeah, also dishing assists, should have about 7-8 and 4 steals...only on ISH is this a negative...I know he shot a low percentage but he still got to the line...You know the same thing James Harden does? Except PG doesn't routinely have free throws gifted to him..

Ish LOVES hyperbole.....A guy is averaging 22 pts per game and he's horrible on offense and doesn't have a clue in the half court, as if he scores all his points in transition....In case noone notice, the Pacers rarely score in transition so obviously, most if his points come in the half court since Vogel likes to play at a snail's place..

tl;dr

6-18 and a loss.

[Random_Guy]

24 points, 9-12 from the foul line...made 3 three's...oh yeah, also dishing assists, should have about 7-8 and 4 steals...only on ISH is this a negative...I know he shot a low percentage but he still got to the line...You know the same thing James Harden does? Except PG doesn't routinely have free throws gifted to him..

Ish LOVES hyperbole.....A guy is averaging 22 pts per game and he's horrible on offense and doesn't have a clue in the half court, as if he scores all his points in transition....In case noone notice, the Pacers rarely score in transition so obviously, most if his points come in the half court since Vogel likes to play at a snail's place..
just to let you know bro, im not trying to diss PG.
Both are great players and i think PG has the higher ceiling going forward, i just think these two are very unique and similar(as in development) players.

[navy]

PG is not nearly as bad offensively as he's being made out to be.

It actually is.

Harden is clearly the better player. In the first half of the season it was Paul George who was better, but his inexplicable collapse has turned him into a clear scrub.

[Dro]

just to let you know bro, im not trying to diss PG.
Both are great players and i think PG has the higher ceiling going forward, i just think these two are very unique and similar(as in development) players.
Trust me, I know you're not..I read your threads, you're a very good poster...That was more towards Graviton's point that PG is clueless in the half court, then happens to agree with me that Vogel's offense runs at a snail's pace and is not very good...Now it doesn't have to be 1 or the other but if its both, then how does PG receive all the blame, his coach should receive half of it for the system they run...Like was already stated, PG is not James Harden, thats not his game. He's not the primary ballhandler Harden is and I don't know why Frank puts him on those situations...The rest of the team played like crap so I'm not surprised that PG and to a lesser extent Lance, felt like they had to do it all yesterday...SOMEBODY had to do something...

[DMAVS41]

It actually is.

Harden is clearly the better player. In the first half of the season it was Paul George who was better, but his inexplicable collapse has turned him into a clear scrub.

It's all or nothing on here. He is not a scrub. Scrubs don't manage to put up 22/7/4 56% TS and play actually elite defense while being the clear cut best player on a 1 seed...even if it is in a shit conference

He has obviously fallen off from the level he was playing when he got a lot of talk...but that does not make him a scrub

I don't understand the hate at all...when people were saying good things about him...he deserved it. He was straight up balling and he was still defending at an elite level...that's impressive.

Scrub? GTFO...is the entire league scrubs? Is Monta Ellis a scrub? Is Zach Randolph a scrub? Is Conley a scrub? Is Klay Thompson a scrub? I could go on...

[Dresta]

If Harden played better defense he'd easily be a top 4 player in the NBA.

I gotta say Harden. PG hasn't been good since 2014 started. Hes had games where he shot less than 40%. He even had a game where he shot 0-9...

Since the all-star break James Harden has been averaging about 27/8/5. For the season he avg 25.5/6.1/4.7.

I think PG put up 21/6/3 a game. He plays good defense but it can't make up his bad play.
:roll: :roll:


Maybe if he played defense like Tony Allen. Harden has tons of games where he shoots sub 40% too, he just gets saved by taking 15+ FT's at the same time. He draws a higher rate of FT's than any other top 10 scorer in the league, yet he takes a load of 3's and barely plays inside.

He is a joke of a player. And anyone who would take that bearded piece of crap over a great two way player going through a slump is a complete fool who knows **** all about bball.

[Dresta]

Yea, PG certainly hasn't played well offensively lately, but he's still an above average offensive player in the league.

Harden is a below average defensive player though.


I wonder how much it has to do with the Pacers. PG isn't a point guard or point forward really...that isn't his game. I think honestly it's a bit unfair to ask him to do so much offensively on such a shit offense. That just isn't his skill set. I'm not trying to make excuses for him, but this Pacers situation is crazy. Those guys don't even set good screens anymore. They don't do anything well offensively...it's a total joke.
Below average?

He is the worst perimeter defender in the league. I'd rather have Nash in a wheelchair defending over him.

[Random_Guy]

Trust me, I know you're not..I read your threads, you're a very good poster...That was more towards Graviton's point that PG is clueless in the half court, then happens to agree with me that Vogel's offense runs at a snail's pace and is not very good...Now it doesn't have to be 1 or the other but if its both, then how does PG receive all the blame, his coach should receive half of it for the system they run...Like was already stated, PG is not James Harden, thats not his game. He's not the primary ballhandler Harden is and I don't know why Frank puts him on those situations...The rest of the team played like crap so I'm not surprised that PG and to a lesser extent Lance, felt like they had to do it all yesterday...SOMEBODY had to do something...
:cheers:
PG is not there yet offensively imo, and the pacers lack of offense is sickening. He was just put in a very hard spot. I think he will be impossible to stop on a free flowing offensive team, and to be honest I'd rather have my star player be an elite defender than the opposite.
Off topic though, why dont they run more high post pick and rolls with west? West's midrange is quite good until recently. And has scola always been sucking this bad? I admit i didnt watch that many pacers games this year. His midrange was money back in houston.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Harden

[Random_Guy]

Below average?

He is the worst perimeter defender in the league. I'd rather have Nash in a wheelchair defending over him.
:lol :roll:
its sad because its true:facepalm
sometimes i honestly think he just doesnt care. I mean he has the athleticism and length to be at least decent

[navy]

It's all or nothing on here. He is not a scrub. Scrubs don't manage to put up 22/7/4 56% TS and play actually elite defense while being the clear cut best player on a 1 seed...even if it is in a shit conference

He has obviously fallen off from the level he was playing when he got a lot of talk...but that does not make him a scrub

I don't understand the hate at all...when people were saying good things about him...he deserved it. He was straight up balling and he was still defending at an elite level...that's impressive.

Scrub? GTFO...
Please post his second half of the season stats and the Pacers second half of the season record. He is being inflated by a great first half. He isnt that player anymore. Inexplicably, I might add.

He was voted an all star. There is no hate. He has just been a scrub for the past few months and even in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Harden on the other hand has been a star.

If you asked me who I would take in the first half of the season or who has a higher ceiling I would have said Paul George. Make no mistake, I like him as a player and his skill set. But he isnt that good. Maybe it's his personal life or as Coach Nick said he changed his shooting motion. I dont know. I can tell you that you will win more games with Harden than the Current Paul George.

[Random_Guy]

Please post his second half of the season stats and the Pacers second half of the season record. He is being inflated by a great first half. He isnt that player anymore. Inexplicably, I might add.

He was voted an all star. There is no hate. He has just been a scrub for the past few months and even in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Harden on the other hand has been a star.

If you asked me who I would take in the first half of the season or who has a higher ceiling I would have said Paul George. Make no mistake, I like him as a player and his skill set. But he isnt that good. Maybe it's his personal life or as Coach Nick said he changed his shooting motion. I dont know. I can tell you that you will win more games with Harden than the Current Paul George.
just curious, but who do you think has more potential down the line ? currently i think harden is better, but both players are young and i think george will be better 5 years down the line.

[Dro]

:cheers:
PG is not there yet offensively imo, and the pacers lack of offense is sickening. He was just put in a very hard spot. I think he will be impossible to stop on a free flowing offensive team, and to be honest I'd rather have my star player be an elite defender than the opposite.
Off topic though, why dont they run more high post pick and rolls with west? West's midrange is quite good until recently. And has scola always been sucking this bad? I admit i didnt watch that many pacers games this year. His midrange was money back in houston.
The last 5 games I believe before yesterday, West was shooting 62% from the field. Before that, his jumper was kind've off...As for Scola, I know that he's a good midrange shooter but he really hasn't been consistent with it all year.

George Hill runs most of the pick and rolls with West but its ineffective because for whatever reason, Hill doesn't attack the basket, he just looks to pass...Its much more effective when they run it with Lance but for some reason, Vogel doesn't do it often enough. West or Scola basically has a wide open jump shot whenever they run pick and roll with Lance...

PG is not the passer that Lance is so when he tries to run it, the defense traps him and he's slow to move the ball..But thats something he'll continue to get better at...

[Random_Guy]

The last 5 games I believe before yesterday, West was shooting 62% from the field. Before that, his jumper was kind've off...As for Scola, I know that he's a good midrange shooter but he really hasn't been consistent with it all year.

George Hill runs most of the pick and rolls with West but its ineffective because for whatever reason, Hill doesn't attack the basket, he just looks to pass...Its much more effective when they run it with Lance but for some reason, Vogel doesn't do it often enough. West or Scola basically has a wide open jump shot whenever they run pick and roll with Lance...

PG is not the passer that Lance is so when he tries to run it, the defense traps him and he's slow to move the ball..But thats something he'll continue to get better at...
i think their best bet is to run george off the ball and only handle it in game tying sitiuations and let lance handle the ball. they go away from lance because lance doesnt look to pass he looks to score(from the games ive watched, correct me if im wrong). I guess vogel would rather have hill run the point for that exact reason. I think hill looks to pass because he isnt that good, and just can effectively attack the basket.
Run lance at point and pick and roll with west, while george is off ball. That's the best formula imo.

[DMAVS41]

Please post his second half of the season stats and the Pacers second half of the season record. He is being inflated by a great first half. He isnt that player anymore. Inexplicably, I might add.

He was voted an all star. There is no hate. He has just been a scrub for the past few months and even in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Harden on the other hand has been a star.

If you asked me who I would take in the first half of the season or who has a higher ceiling I would have said Paul George. Make no mistake, I like him as a player and his skill set. But he isnt that good. Maybe it's his personal life or as Coach Nick said he changed his shooting motion. I dont know. I can tell you that you will win more games with Harden than the Current Paul George.

What? I didn't say current PG is better than Harden.

I said he isn't a scrub. LOL...you called him a scrub.

On his defense alone...he's a very good player. This isn't a case of him being propped up on defense because of hype...he's actually an elite perimeter defender and works his ass of night in night out.

Post his stats post all-star break? Okay;

21/8/4 54% TS

Look...you didn't even read my post. My point was that he is not a scrub...he's a very good player that has noticeably dipped on offense and actually on defense since the all-star break.

But he's not a scrub and he's also in a terrible position now offensively on a team that is struggling with far more than x's and o's...it's a serious chemistry issue at this point.

And his skill set is not one of running a team playing point forward. That is not even close to ideal for a guy like PG...in fact, it's probably the worst situation for him offensively.

[navy]

just curious, but who do you think has more potential down the line ? currently i think harden is better, but both players are young and i think george will be better 5 years down the line.
There is nothing stopping Harden from learning defense, Lebron didnt play defense well his first few seasons in the league, but now you can stick him on 1-3 and live with any of the results. So, I have to say Harden.

I dont know what to say about Paul George. Offensively bad players usually stay that way. I have no idea what happened this season.

[STATUTORY]

a controversey/scandal free Paul George >> harden

and it aint even close

[navy]

Semantics lol. I guess your right he isnt a scrub persay. He is still a top 5 small forward. :confusedshrug:

[Graviton]

I take it all back, Paul George can at least score more points than shots he takes. :lol

Harden is so helpless without refs giving him 15+ free throws. He jacks up more 3s than Curry. :facepalm

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

George
At the end of the day theyre both chokers on offense but one actually plays defense at a very high level while the other is the worst defender in the NBA

[Smook A.]

Both shot bad in their 1st games and both lost

[Im Still Ballin]

It's a wash.

Tiebreaker - whoever has the bigger schlong.

winner - ???

[Milbuck]

This shit's still going on?

[Smook A.]

This shit's still going on?
Did you not see the f*cking Pacers vs Hawks game?

Both had HORRIBLE game 1's

[Milbuck]

Did you not see the f*cking Pacers vs Hawks game?

Both had HORRIBLE game 1's
And Harden's was worse. When you factor in defense, it's not even close.

[DMAVS41]

And people hate on me for saying I like to watch the playoffs before I conclude how I would rank the players in the league....rofl

Shit like this matters. It matters how you play in key moments with the season on the line. Obviously it's just game 1 for all the series, but this is where the evidence really comes in and you combine the regular season with the playoffs...

Take Dirk, my guy, if he plays a complete shit series and is worn down and outmatched by the Spurs front line? You have to factor that into his season and how good of a player he is...you need all the data.

Harden is a good player overall and has a positive impact, but his defense is probably actually worse than people say. And he ****ing thrives off BS calls...it's effective, but damn is it crap...

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

And people hate on me for saying I like to watch the playoffs before I conclude how I would rank the players in the league....rofl

Shit like this matters. It matters how you play in key moments with the season on the line. Obviously it's just game 1 for all the series, but this is where the evidence really comes in and you combine the regular season with the playoffs...

Take Dirk, my guy, if he plays a complete shit series and is worn down and outmatched by the Spurs front line? You have to factor that into his season and how good of a player he is...you need all the data.

Harden is a good player overall and has a positive impact, but his defense is probably actually worse than people say. And he ****ing thrives off BS calls...it's effective, but damn is it crap...
Still think Dirk, Love and Blake are better than Aldridge?

[DMAVS41]

Still think Dirk, Love and Blake are better than Aldridge?

They were in the regular season...we'll have to see how the playoffs shake out.

[Smook A.]

And Harden's was worse. When you factor in defense, it's not even close.
Ya.

[Milbuck]

And people hate on me for saying I like to watch the playoffs before I conclude how I would rank the players in the league....rofl

Shit like this matters. It matters how you play in key moments with the season on the line. Obviously it's just game 1 for all the series, but this is where the evidence really comes in and you combine the regular season with the playoffs...

Harden is a good player overall and has a positive impact, but his defense is probably actually worse than people say. And he ****ing thrives off BS calls...it's effective, but damn is it crap...
https://31.media.tumblr.com/1d04cd761a6aa763c4467cb3024a19e3/tumblr_inline_n2ibepunNu1s994jp.gif

[Smook A.]

Milbuck you're the icing on the cake on why I wanna end my life, brah.

Like im not even joking right now. Aside from this Houston game my life is f*cking shit

[iTare]

Milbuck you're the icing on the cake on why I wanna end my life, brah.

Like im not even joking right now. Aside from this Houston game my life is f*cking shit
:biggums:

[Dro]

Did you not see the f*cking Pacers vs Hawks game?

Both had HORRIBLE game 1's
Come on bro...both did not have horrible games, Harden had a horrible game, both shot bad but PG was the best player on the floor for the Pacers....

PG - 6-18, 10reb, 5ast, 4 steals, 2 blocks, 2 to's and good not great defense.
Harden - 8-28, 5reb, 6ast, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 4 to's and his usual horrible defense.

[Smook A.]

Come on bro...both did not have horrible games, Harden had a horrible game, both shot bad but PG was the best player on the floor for the Pacers....

PG - 6-18, 10reb, 5ast, 4 steals, 2 blocks, 2 to's and good not great defense.
Harden - 8-28, 5reb, 6ast, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 4 to's and his usual horrible defense.
PG played better.

[navy]

Both overrated scrubs. Sorry for ever trusting these guys.

[Smook A.]

Both overrated scrubs. Sorry for ever trusting these guys.
Not your fault, brah.

[Milbuck]

Milbuck you're the icing on the cake on why I wanna end my life, brah.

Like im not even joking right now. Aside from this Houston game my life is f*cking shit
Dude, stop. It's just me messing around.

[russwest0]

Damn, do I have to choose? Like can I tank instead?

[russwest0]

Milbuck you're the icing on the cake on why I wanna end my life, brah.

Like im not even joking right now. Aside from this Houston game my life is f*cking shit

James Harden fans literally on suicide watch? :wtf:

Guess it's just that time of the year again. Playoff basketball is among us. :lol

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Milbuck you're the icing on the cake on why I wanna end my life, brah.

Like im not even joking right now. Aside from this Houston game my life is f*cking shit
4500 posts in 4 months:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
its spring nikka maybe u should try goin outside:biggums: :biggums:

[Rubio2Gasol]

Give me Marcus Thronton.

[Random_Guy]

alright just tuned in, admittedly i didnt watch this game beacuse i was too tired, but it seems like harden had a terrible game. This makes shit interesting as PG played bad in the first game too.
will update stats now. can anyone give me a brief recap of harden this game?

[Mr. Jabbar]

the shooting guard is a tough position to excel at, you need mad skills and talent, not everyone can be a jordan or a kobe

[derb2k2]

the shooting guard is a tough position to excel at, you need mad skills and talent, not everyone can be a jordan or a kobe


or a Wade.

:coleman:

[Random_Guy]

bump, good win for the pacers and great statline for george. didnt catch the later parts of the game when the pacers were blowing the hawks out but as good as his statline is, his play wasnt that spectacular when they were down. some improvements can be made, needs to take over in bad times to be the star that he assume he is.

[fpliii]

:applause:

[Random_Guy]

:applause:
good game by pg:applause:

[Random_Guy]

Any1 care to chime in about pg'sperformavce today?

[Dro]

Any1 care to chime in about pg'sperformavce today?
I thought he played great honestly...He played with fire, him and Teague were into it and we see who won that matchup....Just like I said PG would..To be fair, Teague did not play as many minutes as he normally does but he wasn't killing us when he was out there.

PG has to play with that fire and energy all the time....They finally got mad and realized that if they lost last night, the series was over.....He was aggressive on both sides of the ball and he set the tone. I have no complaints about the game that he had except I wish he could've had 4 more assists...

[Random_Guy]

I thought he played great honestly...He played with fire, him and Teague were into it and we see who won that matchup....Just like I said PG would..To be fair, Teague did not play as many minutes as he normally does but he wasn't killing us when he was out there.

PG has to play with that fire and energy all the time....They finally got mad and realized that if they lost last night, the series was over.....He was aggressive on both sides of the ball and he set the tone. I have no complaints about the game that he had except I wish he could've had 4 more assists...
Yeah he had a good game overall, what do you think about his 1st half performance though? I think he needs to stop taking bad shots and pass more.

[Dro]

Yeah he had a good game overall, what do you think about his 1st half performance though? I think he needs to stop taking bad shots and pass more.
I think overall his shot selection was fine honestly. I thought he did a good job getting his teammates involved. He only took 16 shots and most of them were in the flow of the game. In the first half, he wasn't really woke yet I guess..He didn't really wake up until Teague started talking trash....

[JohnFreeman]

I would take PG. Imagine if George got half the calls Harden did

[Random_Guy]

I would take PG. Imagine if George got half the calls Harden did
he would have half Harden's freethrows:banana:
jk

[JohnFreeman]

he would have half Harden's freethrows:banana:
jk
Which is probably still more then he gets.

[Random_Guy]

Which is probably still more then he gets.
its funny because its true:facepalm

[Clyde]

I'd rather have Harden than George.

[scm5]

I prefer PG because the best player on a team usually sets the tone for the team, and PG is very much a defensive minded player.

[Random_Guy]

a lot of people shifting towards george after this game.(not that theres anything wrong with that)
we shall see.

[rightsideup]

hardin

[Dro]

hardin
who?

[KungFuJoe]

Anyone who picks Harden should be euthanized.

No **** that. Make their deaths as painful as possible for being such ****ing idiots.

[crawdaddy4ou]

PG

[Relinquish]

I'll take neither.

[Random_Guy]

damn how wrong i was...its only been two games but harden is looking like shit

[Random_Guy]

stats added in op. haren with yet another terrible game :facepalm: really letting me down big time. was a no show on offense, and shit bricks on defence. letting that matthew layup was just wtf.
the rockets need to bench him and run lin. other wise blazers in 5

[Random_Guy]

stats updated in op, paul george with yet another terrible game, just what is going on?? :facepalm:

[DMAVS41]

It actually is.

Harden is clearly the better player. In the first half of the season it was Paul George who was better, but his inexplicable collapse has turned him into a clear scrub.

:confusedshrug:

[fpliii]

PG :applause:
:applause:

[Black and White]

Thanks DMAVS, I was looking for this thread, PG > Harden, someone that plays on both sides of the ball, and isn't a liability to his team in the playoffs

[LoneyROY7]

Give me Pablo Jorge.

[konex]

George is a better all-around player and doesn't live at the line.

[Phantom_Blue]

If we're saying their skill level on both ends even out, then I'll take the guy who at least puts in consistent effort, even with all the off the court stuff.

George also seems like he wants to get better every year. Has Harden really improved offensively since leaving OKC? Seems to have regressed as far as decision making.

Will Harden get better defensively next year? How does he even know what aspects of defense he needs to improve in if he doesnt put effort to begin with?

He has plenty of offensive options on his team so this whole "I need to save my energy for offensive" is bs.

[Number24]

Had Pacer lost even with that statline, a lot will be said against George. Good thing they won!

[Random_Guy]

Lol I thought this thread was dead lol

[Rik Smits' Hair]

:banana:

[Random_Guy]

:banana:
Let's be honest bro, both has been underwhelming
Hope pg stows up big time next game, the pacers were supposed to sweep the hawks

[Rik Smits' Hair]

Let's be honest bro, both has been underwhelming
Hope pg stows up big time next game, the pacers were supposed to sweep the hawks
:banana:
Who cares

[Number24]

:banana:
Who cares

:banana:
:banana:
:banana:
:banana:

[TheMagicMan]

George. The gap on offense isn't as big as the gap on defense between them.

[Black and White]

I think its pretty obvious at this point.

[Dro]

Haters on suicide watch....don't kill yourselves yet, there's still time for PG to sh*t the bed...

[AintNoSunshine]

Are we really going to bump this after every good game by George, good game by Harden, bad game by George and bad game by Harden?

[Smook A.]

Season - Harden

Playoffs - George

Overall - George

Playoffs > Season

[Milbuck]

Are we really going to bump this after every good game by George, good game by Harden, bad game by George and bad game by Harden?
This. PG is better, period.

We need to stop torturing Houston fans with this false hope.

Harden will NEVER be better than PG, and he'll NEVER be a star player. The sooner Houston fans accept this, the easier their playoff mediocrity becomes to accept as well.

[Black and White]

Season - Harden

Playoffs - George

Overall - George

Playoffs > Season

This right here, is why you are the best Rockets poster on here, respect bro :cheers:

[Smook A.]

This right here, is why you are the best Rockets poster on here, respect bro :cheers:
:cheers: