Adam Silver: 20 year age limit top priority

[eliteballer]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10803355/adam-silver-says-pushing-back-nba-age-limit-top-priority

[Calabis]

LMAO.....this is bullshit. If that's the case Baseball and Hockey should be the same

[Genaro]

F* him. Players should just go to Europe for 2 years.
That is just some NCAA b* that wants to make profit without paying money for it.

[Trollsmasher]

I say kill him with a rat poison

[russwest0]

Adam Silver.... :facepalm

[CelticBaller]

First year with this asshole and I want him gone already

[ABfor3]

What for? So colleges can give more money to athletes who have no intention of getting a degree instead of giving it to those who really need it?

[rhowen4]

**** yOU OBAMA

[jstern]

He should focus on other things.

I wouldn't mind a 20 year age limit, but only if there was an exception for the top two picks. For the rare Lebron type players.

[tmacattack33]

I don't really see anything to complain about. For every KG, there's been a Jonathan Bender, Tim Thomas, and Kwame Brown that's been stealing minutes on their NBA teams because they had "potential".

I'm all for it.

I'd also like to be able to know who these guys are before they are drafted....It's awesome to think about Iverson's Georgetown days and Vince Carter's UNC days.

[Bandito]

Is not a bad idea but I think they should let those 18 year old with talent join the NBDL at least, because a lot of them are talented but are so moronic they can't join an university. That is because they can't even cheat right:lol

[navy]

I don't really see anything to complain about.
Kids going to college and not learning shit is something to complain about. That is what this really is about. NCAA money.

The NBA needs to stop with this age shit. If someone is 18 and good enough, then teams should be able to pick them up.

[Akrazotile]

F* him. Players should just go to Europe for 2 years.
That is just some NCAA b* that wants to make profit without paying money for it.


I dont see what the NCAA gains financially from this. People who watch the college game supposedly do it for the name on the front of the jersey instead of the one on the back anyway. Fans are gonna consume the college product regardless, whether Michael Beasley and John Wall are there for zero, one, two, or more years.

[Yankstar]

Losing 3 years of Kobe and 2 years of Bron :biggums:

[TheReal Kendall]

They need to let these kids go to the D-league.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/10538276/mark-cuban-says-nba-d-league-better-option-ncaa

[tmacattack33]

Kids going to college and not learning shit is something to complain about. That is what this really is about. NCAA money.

The NBA needs to stop with this age shit. If someone is 18 and good enough, then teams should be able to pick them up.

So you don't like this on a moral ground?

Well fear not...there's still 60 spots and 60 players drafted either way.

If there was no age rule, an 18 year old can get drafted and take his family to live in a mansion right after signing his NBA contract. Great story, I agree.

But for every spot taken by an 18 year old, a 20 year old who worked his azz off in the NCAA for two years doesn't get drafted because of it. And so this 20 year old has no where to go because of this 18 year old who got picked base off of the "potential" that he showed scouts while playing against 5'7 high school kids with braces and pimples.

[The Iron Sheik]

jews ruining basketball one season at a time.

[DMV2]

Yet guys like Kwame Brown and Tim Thomas still managed to stay in the league for 12 or 13 seasons. That means they were serviceable someway or another.

I've only hear stories of players going broke, never heard anything about owners going broke for throwing away multi-millions for a potential prospect.

So who really loses here? Poor young black kids.

[Myth]

He should focus on other things.

I wouldn't mind a 20 year age limit, but only if there was an exception for the top two picks. For the rare Lebron type players.

Poor guy predicted to go top 2, hires an agent, then doesn't. No college or NBA for him.

[Clyde]

He should focus on other things.

I wouldn't mind a 20 year age limit, but only if there was an exception for the top two picks. For the rare Lebron type players.

:facepalm

[Sarcastic]

He should be ready for a lawsuit challenging his sport's monopoly if that's the case.

[bagelred]

It's the same rule as the NFL, you knuckleheads.

Why are you people so upset at this? "But but but but...AMERICA! FREEDOM!" The NBA is a private business. They can do what they want. Why do they want to pay prospects that don't pan out taking away spots from worthy players? The NBA will be BETTER for this.

You should be happy about this. This means more spots for proven veterans. Aren't you happy? No jobs are taken away.

but but but but...FREEDOOOOOOM!!!! SOCIALISM!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

He should be ready for a lawsuit challenging his sport's monopoly if that's the case.


I know rite, its just so racist isnt it.

[Akrazotile]

It's the same rule as the NFL, you knuckleheads.

Why are you people so upset at this? "But but but but...AMERICA! FREEDOM!" The NBA is a private business. They can do what they want. Why do they want to pay prospects that don't pan out taking away spots from worthy players? The NBA will be BETTER for this.

You should be happy about this. This means more spots for proven veterans. Aren't you happy? No jobs are taken away.

but but but but...FREEDOOOOOOM!!!! SOCIALISM!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. :oldlol:


Idiots like Sarcastic need to step in and fight battles (logical or illogical) for the "disenfranchised" (real or imagined) in order to have some sort of sense of purpose or validation in their life.


Any time there is a heirarchy - well, one that has whites at the top - they cry and scream and piss their pants. Of course, if white (or azn, like lin) prospects with good college resumes cant get a look bc of stereotype they say "hey thats just how it is."


Sarcastic for some reason loves to be the "hero for black guys." Its very awkward, considering most black dudes in the NBA would probably laugh at and pick on his gay cornball ass, but for some reason it makes him feel special to claim that EVERYTHING "is raccissssssttttt!!!!!"



Dude obviously gets no respect from anyone in ral life so he tries to overcompensate by getting approval from blacks and liberal nerds by being a belligerent champion of "thatssss racccissssstttt!!!!" I can just picture this guy. Scrawny, pasty, big glasses and a bugle boy t shirt, trying his hardest to be cool and "down". Smh

[Warners0]

I don't really see anything to complain about. For every KG, there's been a Jonathan Bender, Tim Thomas, and Kwame Brown that's been stealing minutes on their NBA teams because they had "potential".

I'm all for it.

I'd also like to be able to know who these guys are before they are drafted....It's awesome to think about Iverson's Georgetown days and Vince Carter's UNC days.

What about all the bust seniors lol give me a break. How is Evan Turner doing?

[Jameerthefear]

Bullshit.

[dude77]

a player can come out after freshman year right ? so instead of 19 or so, it's 20 now .. people love to complain for anything ..

but like bagel said .. ultimately, it's a private business so y'all need to sit down and zip up your mouths

[tmacattack33]

What about all the bust seniors lol give me a break. How is Evan Turner doing?


Evan Turner doesn't hurt my case much at all. Actually, he may even help it.

Philly finally gave up on him after 3 years, so we saw 3 years of a player being given more minutes than he deserved due to "potential".

If he came out when he was 18 though, Philly still would have kept giving him more minutes than he deserved until he was around 23. So we woulda seen 5 years of it instead of 3.

[FLDFSU]

Can someone explain to me why can't teams simply pass on player that don't have the number of years out of high school that they desire.

For example, Cleveland: Instead of drafting Lebron...draft Wade, or Melo, or Darko.

Why do GMs need to be cuddled?

Same thing with salaries. Why do GMs need to be prevented from giving Joe Johnson 130 million dollars?

Simply don't give Johnson 130 million if you don't think he is worth it.

[FLDFSU]

It's the same rule as the NFL, you knuckleheads.

Why are you people so upset at this? "But but but but...AMERICA! FREEDOM!" The NBA is a private business. They can do what they want. Why do they want to pay prospects that don't pan out taking away spots from worthy players? The NBA will be BETTER for this.

You should be happy about this. This means more spots for proven veterans. Aren't you happy? No jobs are taken away.

but but but but...FREEDOOOOOOM!!!! SOCIALISM!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. :oldlol:

I have a simple solution: DON'T DRAFT THEM!

If you think a kid coming out of HS is too risky...DON'T DRAFT HIM!

Period. If someone else wants to waste years developing them or risk the bust...then let them.

Have a rule: We, as an organization, will not draft players under the age of 20.

Why does the league need to step in a mandate this?

[tmacattack33]

Can someone explain to me why can't teams simply pass on player that don't have the number of years out of high school that they desire.

For example, Cleveland: Instead of drafting Lebron...draft Wade, or Melo, or Darko.

Why do GMs need to be cuddled?

Same thing with salaries. Why do GMs need to be prevented from giving Joe Johnson 130 million dollars?

Simply don't give Johnson 130 million if you don't think he is worth it.

If there was one team and one GM then you are correct.

But there are 30 teams and 30 GM's. So if you allow contracts to exceed 20 million per year, then that forces many GM's who wouldn't otherwise to throw 20 million at some players so that they can still have a shot at a star player.

[FLDFSU]

If there was one team and one GM then you are correct.

But there are 30 teams and 30 GM's. So if you allow contracts to exceed 20 million per year, then that forces many GM's who wouldn't otherwise to throw 20 million at some players so that they can still have a shot at a star player.

That makes no sense.

Do you follow football?

The Bengals do not have to give Andy Dalton 18 million because of Culter
The 49ers do not have to give Kaepernick 18 million because of Stafford
The Panthers do not have to give Newton 18 million because of Romo

Franchise make their own decision. Yes markets factor into negotiations but no says that you HAVE to do anything. Its negotiated.

The Vikings are not going to give Ponder 18 million, either are the Titans Locker, nor the Jaguars Gabbert.

If some other organization wants to give Joe Johnson 130 Million I guess that is what he is worth.

But YOU do not have to give him that. Let him walk.

GMs are PAID millions to make these decisions. If they cannot make them, get someone who CAN.

[Sarcastic]

Evan Turner doesn't hurt my case much at all. Actually, he may even help it.

Philly finally gave up on him after 3 years, so we saw 3 years of a player being given more minutes than he deserved due to "potential".

If he came out when he was 18 though, Philly still would have kept giving him more minutes than he deserved until he was around 23. So we woulda seen 5 years of it instead of 3.

Or maybe if he comes out earlier, with better training and more practice, he actually lives up to his potential.

[christian1923]

I like it. Maybe some of these kids can learn to be team players now.

[Sarcastic]

I like it. Maybe some of these kids can learn to be team players now.

A year of college made Melo a better team player than LeBron?

[tmacattack33]

That makes no sense.

Do you follow football?

The Bengals do not have to give Andy Dalton 18 million because of Culter
The 49ers do not have to give Kaepernick 18 million because of Stafford
The Panthers do not have to give Newton 18 million because of Romo

Franchise make their own decision. Yes markets factor into negotiations but no says that you HAVE to do anything. Its negotiated.

The Vikings are not going to give Ponder 18 million, either are the Titans Locker, nor the Jaguars Gabbert.

If some other organization wants to give Joe Johnson 130 Million I guess that is what he is worth.

But YOU do not have to give him that. Let him walk.

GMs are PAID millions to make these decisions. If they cannot make them, get someone who CAN.

Okay, but if 18 year olds are in the draft, then if you think that the player may one day be a good player, you'll be forced to pick him because you know if you don't then someone else will.

..even if u don't think is ready NOW.

Which is the problem. There's too many 19 year olds taking up spot on rosters based on what their coaches think they will become in the future.

[Sarcastic]

No team is forced to draft anyone they don't want. No one forced the Cavs to draft Bennett. They made their own dumb choice.

Just like no one forced the Magic to draft Howard over Okafor. They made their own correct choice.

[Sarcastic]

Okay, but if 18 year olds are in the draft, then if you think that the player may one day be a good player, you'll be forced to pick him because you know if you don't then someone else will.

..even if u don't think is ready NOW.

Which is the problem. There's too many 19 year olds taking up spot on rosters based on what their coaches think they will become in the future.

So you rather have old men like Jason Collins or 40 year old Kurt Thomas last year taking roster spots than prospects like Wiggins/Parker/Embiid?

I respectively disagree.

[eliteballer]

It's like T-Mac said, when he came into the league it was a MAN'S league. Nowadays there's a lot of boys. If there were still so many solid seasoned vets you wouldn't see the stupidity displayed by guys like JR Smith and Nick Young.

The talent right now might be awesome, but the quality of overall team play isn't as good as you would see in the 90's.

You've got guys coming out just so they can cash in based off hype....the NBA doesn't OWE them anything.

The league doesn't need to be wasting roster spots trying to develop guys who who are going to be useless for 3-4 years.

Even guys like LeBron who are able to put up some numbers right away because of physical gifts aren't all that useful at 18/19 because they don't have a good conceptual understanding of the game on that level. Look at a guy like Derozan or is only NOW realizing his potential.

An extra year of college/NBDL/Europe is better. You're always going to have busts but this is another layer of raising the leagues quality.

[bballnoob1192]

man **** adam silver. this dude is a ****ing idiot and funny looking bitch. aint nobody want to play for the NCAA bullshit when they can make millions in the nba. this ****er is prolly getting some under the table money from the NCAA to try to pull this shit off.

[Sarcastic]

It's like T-Mac said, when he came into the league it was a MAN'S league. Nowadays there's a lot of boys. If there were still so many solid seasoned vets you wouldn't see the stupidity displayed by guys like JR Smith and Nick Young.

The talent right now might be awesome, but the quality of overall team play isn't as good as you would see in the 90's.

You've got guys coming out just so they can cash in based off hype....the NBA doesn't OWE them anything.

The league doesn't need to be wasting roster spots trying to develop guys who who are going to be useless for 3-4 years.

Even guys like LeBron who are able to put up some numbers right away because of physical gifts aren't all that useful because they don't have a good conceptual understanding of the game on that level.

An extra year of college/NBDL/Europe is better.

You'd be correct if there was a viable alternative to college, where players can actually earn a living. As it is now the NBA has a monopoly on professional basketball. Forcing people to not earn a living playing for free, breaks anti-trust laws.

Only a matter of time before a prospect like Thon Maker takes this to court, and forces the NBA to rethink it all.

[senelcoolidge]

I think it's better for the NBA. Players will be coming into the league with more refined games. Less raw "potential" projects that have really hurt the quality of the league. Plus if these guys don't want to stay or go to school they can play overseas for a couple years until their 20. They can make money there.

[Sarcastic]

I think it's better for the NBA. Players will be coming into the league with more refined games. Less raw "potential" projects that have really hurt the quality of the league. Plus if these guys don't want to stay or go to school they can play overseas for a couple years until their 20. They can make money there.

Companies in the US can't break labor laws by just saying "go to Europe".

[veilside23]

so how about those folks who desire to break a scoring record as the youngest ever to achieve a certain feat...

but if this was implemented before that would have been great...

[tomtucker]

I say kill him with a rat poison

he looks like one, that is for damn sure

[MavsSuperFan]

What for? So colleges can give more money to athletes who have no intention of getting a degree instead of giving it to those who really need it?
More Like so colleges can exploit athletes. Almost $10 billion in revenue and zero salary or wages to players.

Major colleges make more money off their revenue players (football and basketball) then they spend on them

[bdreason]

I think it's a good move to improve the overall quality of the league... but I still think that if you can go to war for your Country (18), you should be able to be employed within your Country. The NCAA College system is a sham that pretends to care about College athletes in order to make money off their talents.

[christian1923]

A year of college made Melo a better team player than LeBron?
2 years is a lot different from one. And you picked lebron of all people. An all time legend lol cmon

[HurricaneKid]

2 years is a lot different from one. And you picked lebron of all people. An all time legend lol cmon

The best players of this generation are:

Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
LeBron James
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki

ONE of them played ANY college basketball. And Dirk played professionally at age 16.

And NO. Private business is not permitted to do as it chooses. It cannot discriminate employment based on gender, religion, etc. And, at least in New York (where the NBA has two franchises), age. This rule would be laughed out of any New York circuit court. The NFL rule was allowed based on "physical risk" which doesn't exist in the NBA (and was horribly decided in the first place). It has been left unchallenged because A) the ill will any 18 year old would get for challenging it and B) it would take long enough to go through the courts that a player would likely miss the player draft and have to wait a year anyways. But two years? Nah, that won't stand.

[Clyde]

The best players of this generation are:

Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
LeBron James
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki

ONE of them played ANY college basketball. And Dirk played professionally at age 16.

And NO. Private business is not permitted to do as it chooses. It cannot discriminate employment based on gender, religion, etc. And, at least in New York (where the NBA has two franchises), age. This rule would be laughed out of any New York circuit court. The NFL rule was allowed based on "physical risk" which doesn't exist in the NBA (and was horribly decided in the first place). It has been left unchallenged because A) the ill will any 18 year old would get for challenging it and B) it would take long enough to go through the courts that a player would likely miss the player draft and have to wait a year anyways. But two years? Nah, that won't stand.


Lol...... you're an idiot.

:hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[ZenMaster]

The best players of this generation are:

Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
LeBron James
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki

ONE of them played ANY college basketball. And Dirk played professionally at age 16.

And NO. Private business is not permitted to do as it chooses. It cannot discriminate employment based on gender, religion, etc. And, at least in New York (where the NBA has two franchises), age. This rule would be laughed out of any New York circuit court. The NFL rule was allowed based on "physical risk" which doesn't exist in the NBA (and was horribly decided in the first place). It has been left unchallenged because A) the ill will any 18 year old would get for challenging it and B) it would take long enough to go through the courts that a player would likely miss the player draft and have to wait a year anyways. But two years? Nah, that won't stand.

People just can't get it through their skull that it's not about the top players but the general level of play.
Players having better rookies seasons with production a lot closer to their career averages will make the entire NBA better.

[christian1923]

The best players of this generation are:

Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
LeBron James
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki

ONE of them played ANY college basketball. And Dirk played professionally at age 16.

And NO. Private business is not permitted to do as it chooses. It cannot discriminate employment based on gender, religion, etc. And, at least in New York (where the NBA has two franchises), age. This rule would be laughed out of any New York circuit court. The NFL rule was allowed based on "physical risk" which doesn't exist in the NBA (and was horribly decided in the first place). It has been left unchallenged because A) the ill will any 18 year old would get for challenging it and B) it would take long enough to go through the courts that a player would likely miss the player draft and have to wait a year anyways. But two years? Nah, that won't stand.
Lol those names you listed. You just don't get it

[Meticode]

I don't know how they cna incorperate it. I'm a fan of both the NBA and NCAA. On one end I don't like the 20 age limit, on the other hand I had one-and-done players in the NBA.

[FLDFSU]

Okay, but if 18 year olds are in the draft, then if you think that the player may one day be a good player, you'll be forced to pick him because you know if you don't then someone else will.

..even if u don't think is ready NOW.

Which is the problem. There's too many 19 year olds taking up spot on rosters based on what their coaches think they will become in the future.

Once again, I disagree.

Cleveland did not have to take Lebron. They could have taken Bosh, and let some other team deal with developing the "too young for the NBA" 18 year old Lebron.

Chicago could have passed on Rose citing their policy not to draft someone under the age of 20. Let some other franchise make the mistake of wasting years on developing a project you deem not quite fit for the NBA.

If all teams pass on 19 year-old Durant or 18 Howard, then guess what? Players will start deciding on their own to go to college or play overseas for 2 years.

If Parker, Embiid, and Exum all get passed over in the first round, then players will start to opt to stay in school a little longer or go overseas for multiple years.

You don't have to take Parker if your the 76ers, let some other sucker franchise be saddled with underclassmen Parker for 3 years. The 76ers can choose their college graduate, and immediately start competing again.

Let people- GMs and players-make their own moronic decisions. When they flop, the "market" will correct itself, and the K. Irvings of the world will start going back to school.

[DMV2]

I don't know how they cna incorperate it. I'm a fan of both the NBA and NCAA. On one end I don't like the 20 age limit, on the other hand I had one-and-done players in the NBA.
For starters, they should make the D-league better, a system similar to minor league baseball.

Basketball fans see the D-league as a league of scrubs. Baseball fans actually appreciate minor baseball. And another good thing about minor baseball is it serves as a rehabilitation clinic for injured star major leaguers. So if you live in Scranton, PA, you might get to see a Derek Jeter at your local AAA baseball game when Jeter has to rehab an injury. http://www.milb.com/index.jsp?sid=t531

When you have Derek freaking Jeter willing to play in a minor league game, while Allen Iverson rejects a D-league offer, it says something about your shitty development league. Jeter is a bigger sports icon than AI will ever be, and Jeter is willing to rehab in the minors.

A better development/farm system would be a good safeguard for young NBA players who needs more time to develop.

[gts]

all for the age limit... It would make the product better and as noted the NBA is a business first and they can do and should do whatever the heck they want to make their product better...

[HurricaneKid]

Lol...... you're an idiot.

:hammerhead: :hammerhead:

There are ZERO inaccurate statements there. There wasn't even any opinion in the post. Just several FACTS.

[HurricaneKid]

People just can't get it through their skull that it's not about the top players but the general level of play.
Players having better rookies seasons with production a lot closer to their career averages will make the entire NBA better.

And you just don't get that you cannot tell people who would make $5,000,000.00 a year on the open market that they are not permitted to because they are too young.

[ZenMaster]

And you just don't get that you cannot tell people who would make $5,000,000.00 a year on the open market that they are not permitted to because they are too young.

But they're already doing just that, except the rule is 19 years old...

So, they can and they will.

[gts]

And you just don't get that you cannot tell people who would make $5,000,000.00 a year on the open market that they are not permitted to because they are too young.Actually you're the one not getting it...

They can.

They are a private business, they can do whatever they want.

The kids on the other hand are free to do whatever they want, they can go to college for the extra year, they can go to one of the many non NBA professional teams or the D-League. Nobody here is stopping them from earning a living

[Akrazotile]

And you just don't get that you cannot tell people who would make $5,000,000.00 a year on the open market that they are not permitted to because they are too young.

The constitution tells people who want to become President in a democratic system that they aren't permitted to because they're younger than 35.

What's the difference?

[MavsSuperFan]

Its fully within the NBA's right to set an age limit.

Its a move that will clearly negatively affect college players.

It will help the nba: minimize the risk of drafting a bust, and also might be the difference between 3 max contracts in a career and 2 max contracts in a career.

[FLDFSU]

The best players of this generation are:

Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
LeBron James
Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki

ONE of them played ANY college basketball. And Dirk played professionally at age 16.

And NO. Private business is not permitted to do as it chooses. It cannot discriminate employment based on gender, religion, etc. And, at least in New York (where the NBA has two franchises), age. This rule would be laughed out of any New York circuit court. The NFL rule was allowed based on "physical risk" which doesn't exist in the NBA (and was horribly decided in the first place). It has been left unchallenged because A) the ill will any 18 year old would get for challenging it and B) it would take long enough to go through the courts that a player would likely miss the player draft and have to wait a year anyways. But two years? Nah, that won't stand.

:applause: The entire post but :applause: :applause: :applause: on the notion that NO employers CANNOT do whatever the hell they want.

I thought every American would understand this given what happened in the 1960s, and the many court rulings that emphatically declared that PRIVATE employers CANNOT do whatever they please.

They have to follow the constitution like everyone else.

[FLDFSU]

The constitution tells people who want to become President in a democratic system that they aren't permitted to because they're younger than 35.

What's the difference?

Because the age requirements for Senators, the House of Representative, and the President is found...in the constitution. Those requirements are explicitly stated.

Therefore, by its very nature, cannot be deemed unconstitutional-its written in the constitution.

There is no such constitutional provision for NBA basketball players and can be challenged under existing age discrimination statues.

Likewise, if the ONLY reason congress gave for voting down my nomination for the Supreme Court was because I was 25-I could challenge congress in federal court.

There is no age requirement for selection of the federal court.

[secund2nun]

F* him. Players should just go to Europe for 2 years.
That is just some NCAA b* that wants to make profit without paying money for it.

I hope every one and done caliber player gives the middle finger to the NCAA slave plantation by signing the endorsement deal right out of HS and going to Europe and making a few million or at least a couple hundred thousand for 2 years and then heading to the NBA.

[ILLsmak]

I don't support paying dues; nor do I support monopolies.

All of the people who say "Do it another way" are invalidated by the fact that playing NCAA bball is by far the most direct route to the NBA. Any other way, and you have to cut a lot or corners and you may even get blackballed in one way or another.

I feel there is definitely something sinister going on.

That being said, if it was possible to force these guys to go to college, I think it would be better. It's just too bad that they can't do it for better reasons. Dudes need some education lol. Everyone is like Y U NEED EDUCATION? You need education for life. It doesn't have to be on algebra. Some couple day camp is not education on life.

And, a counter argument to all of the people who talk about what great players came out of HS or were one and done... yea but they weren't good at first. The NBA snagged them. They invested. Even if someone like LeBron was playing at all-star level in year one... think of what percent of his capabilities he was playing at. Maybe like 10%.

So, in a way, it would be nice if they could push the sharky NBA back a bit, but the issue becomes then that they are stuck with the sharky NCAA.

People DO need education. They need real life experience before you hand them millions of dollars. That's why celebs fail at life... and bball players fail at life (not all but some.)

Would be cool to see a system where the NBA could draft people as prospects and finance them through school. Of course, with the way corruption works, that would never turn out well... still if it worked the way it was intended, it would be nice.

-Smak

[secund2nun]

man **** adam silver. this dude is a ****ing idiot and funny looking bitch. aint nobody want to play for the NCAA bullshit when they can make millions in the nba. this ****er is prolly getting some under the table money from the NCAA to try to pull this shit off.

That's what I think as well. The NCAA probably paid him big money.

[ILLsmak]

I hope every one and done caliber player gives the middle finger to the NCAA slave plantation by signing the endorsement deal right out of HS and going to Europe and making a few million or at least a couple hundred thousand for 2 years and then heading to the NBA.

Double post, see this is bad thinking because the NBA are the real slave traders lol. They are just paying. But you don't think there are people manipulating their use of money? You don't think dudes are just being guided along? Most are.

All of these people... shoe companies, NBA, etc, are exploiting them just as much as the NCAA. Arguably more because they are selling their life to them. You can quit school or transfer, you can't really get out of those contracts.

Sad to think that some people would be like SHIT ID BE A SLAVE TO BE A MILLIONAIRE AND BE ON TV... all entertainment is ****ed up and slavery like. Plenty of dudes with talent aren't gonna go to the NBA... they have replacements. If someone acts up, they ditch them. Same with going overseas, if people are doing shit the NBA doesn't like, then the NBA will punish them by drafting them later.

-Smak

[secund2nun]

2 years is a lot different from one. And you picked lebron of all people. An all time legend lol cmon

College is BS. You play against a bunch of unathletic undersized scrubs.

Durant would have been the same if he never went to college for that 1 year. Howard, Lebron, KG, Kobe etc all never went to college.

You learn to be a NBA player by playing in the NBA against NBA competition, not against some scrubs from McMediocre State University.

[secund2nun]

Double post, see this is bad thinking because the NBA are the real slave traders lol. They are just paying. But you don't think there are people manipulating their use of money? You don't think dudes are just being guided along? Most are.

All of these people... shoe companies, NBA, etc, are exploiting them just as much as the NCAA. Arguably more because they are selling their life to them. You can quit school or transfer, you can't really get out of those contracts.

Sad to think that some people would be like SHIT ID BE A SLAVE TO BE A MILLIONAIRE AND BE ON TV... all entertainment is ****ed up and slavery like. Plenty of dudes with talent aren't gonna go to the NBA... they have replacements. If someone acts up, they ditch them. Same with going overseas, if people are doing shit the NBA doesn't like, then the NBA will punish them by drafting them later.

-Smak

I understand that the NBA is a greedy organization like most are, but at least their players get paid millions per year. Even the garbage ones can make several hundred thousand per year on vet min with free food and hotel during the season. You can always retire from the NBA as well despite having a contract...you just won't get paid anymore.

The NCAA really bothers me because they don't pay their players anything yet they earn billions per year...and then they prevent their players from profiting off of their own likeness while the NCAA earns billions off of their likeness.

[FLDFSU]

I don't support paying dues; nor do I support monopolies.

All of the people who say "Do it another way" are invalidated by the fact that playing NCAA bball is by far the most direct route to the NBA. Any other way, and you have to cut a lot or corners and you may even get blackballed in one way or another.

I feel there is definitely something sinister going on.

That being said, if it was possible to force these guys to go to college, I think it would be better. It's just too bad that they can't do it for better reasons. Dudes need some education lol. Everyone is like Y U NEED EDUCATION? You need education for life. It doesn't have to be on algebra. Some couple day camp is not education on life.

And, a counter argument to all of the people who talk about what great players came out of HS or were one and done... yea but they weren't good at first. The NBA snagged them. They invested. Even if someone like LeBron was playing at all-star level in year one... think of what percent of his capabilities he was playing at. Maybe like 10%.

So, in a way, it would be nice if they could push the sharky NBA back a bit, but the issue becomes then that they are stuck with the sharky NCAA.

People DO need education. They need real life experience before you hand them millions of dollars. That's why celebs fail at life... and bball players fail at life (not all but some.)

Would be cool to see a system where the NBA could draft people as prospects and finance them through school. Of course, with the way corruption works, that would never turn out well... still if it worked the way it was intended, it would be nice.

-Smak

Yet, a glance of the NBA ROY for the past decade reveals that many of them were one and done, and not 4 year college players. Shouldn't 4 year NCAA players dominate the ROY award over the one and dones, or no college rookies?

You either have it or you don't.

And again, who says you have to take them. If your a GM, pass. Select the player who only has 4 years of NCAA experience.

Simple.

[Akrazotile]

Yet, a glance of the NBA ROY for the past decade reveals that many of them were one and done, and not 4 year college players. Shouldn't 4 year NCAA players dominate the ROY award over the one and dones, or no college rookies?

You either have it or you don't.

And again, who says you have to take them. If your a GM, pass. Select the player who only has 4 years of NCAA experience.

Simple.


Because the league collectively would like to get at least a couple seasons to scout ALL the draft entrants.

Look at the playoffs, in general the deeper you go in the playoffs, the more veteran squads there are. Olderer players are stronger and more mature, they play better basketball. I wouldnt be surprised if coaches chimed in their support of this to the league as well.

Increasing the average age of NBA players improves the product.

Simple.

[FLDFSU]

Because the league collectively would like to get at least a couple seasons to scout ALL the draft entrants.

Look at the playoffs, in general the deeper you go in the playoffs, the more veteran squads there are. Olderer players are stronger and more mature, they play better basketball. I wouldnt be surprised if coaches chimed in their support of this to the league as well.

Increasing the average age of NBA players improves the product.

Simple.

Collectively:
Why not make a rule that you cannot select a player 5'5" and below?
Why not make a rule that you cannot select a player 110 pounds and below?
Why not make a rule that you cannot select a player that has Asthma?

The reason? Because any NBA GM foolish enough to select a player meeting any of the above conditions deserves to be fired.

If your an NBA GM and you need more time to scout a player: DON'T SELECT THAT PLAYER. Let some other moronic GM risk drafting the "risky" Durant.


Why are GMs, who get paid MILLIONS to make decisions requiring that the NBA baby them? If you're not good enough to scout NBA talent, then QUIT!

That is part of the J-O-B. Either pass on Derrick Rose, and select the 4 year NCAA player, or step aside and allow someone who can scout talent do the job.


And if an increase of the age of the NBA improves the product, then let the Market bare that out. If a GM starts drafting only 4 year NCAA players, and his team is proven to be the best team, then guess what? The NBA will naturally go towards 4 year NCAA talent.

If a team comprised of EURO players creates a better product, guess what? The NBA will go towards EURO players.


This nonsense that we gotta save the GMs from themselves NEEDS TO STOP. They are PAID to do a job. If the current ones fail, REPLACE THEM with those that can.

[ZenMaster]

Collectively:
Why not make a rule that you cannot select a player 5'5" and below?
Why not make a rule that you cannot select a player 110 pounds and below?
Why not make a rule that you cannot select a player that has Asthma?

The reason? Because any NBA GM foolish enough to select a player meeting any of the above conditions deserves to be fired.

If your an NBA GM and you need more time to scout a player: DON'T SELECT THAT PLAYER. Let some other moronic GM risk drafting the "risky" Durant.


Why are GMs, who get paid MILLIONS to make decisions requiring that the NBA baby them? If you're not good enough to scout NBA talent, then QUIT!

That is part of the J-O-B. Either pass on Derrick Rose, and select the 4 year NCAA player, or step aside and allow someone who can scout talent do the job.


And if an increase of the age of the NBA improves the product, then let the Market bare that out. If a GM starts drafting only 4 year NCAA players, and his team is proven to be the best team, then guess what? The NBA will naturally go towards 4 year NCAA talent.

If a team comprised of EURO players creates a better product, guess what? The NBA will go towards EURO players.


This nonsense that we gotta save the GMs from themselves NEEDS TO STOP. They are PAID to do a job. If the current ones fail, REPLACE THEM with those that can.

20 year olds will have much better suited strength to play in the NBAwith having the 20 year old rule. It's not unfair to ask for better general strength and more growth as a requirement for players in the NBA. Not from a basketball point of view, if you want to argue that it's not fair to let players become millionairs a year later in their life that's fine, but they won't get my sympathy.

I bet most succesful companies in the US didn't get there by allowing teenagers to become multi-millionaires within their first year in the company..

[Akrazotile]

Collectively:
Why not make a rule that you cannot select a player 5'5" and below?
Why not make a rule that you cannot select a player 110 pounds and below?
Why not make a rule that you cannot select a player that has Asthma?

The reason? Because any NBA GM foolish enough to select a player meeting any of the above conditions deserves to be fired.

If your an NBA GM and you need more time to scout a player: DON'T SELECT THAT PLAYER. Let some other moronic GM risk drafting the "risky" Durant.


Why are GMs, who get paid MILLIONS to make decisions requiring that the NBA baby them? If you're not good enough to scout NBA talent, then QUIT!

That is part of the J-O-B. Either pass on Derrick Rose, and select the 4 year NCAA player, or step aside and allow someone who can scout talent do the job.


And if an increase of the age of the NBA improves the product, then let the Market bare that out. If a GM starts drafting only 4 year NCAA players, and his team is proven to be the best team, then guess what? The NBA will naturally go towards 4 year NCAA talent.

If a team comprised of EURO players creates a better product, guess what? The NBA will go towards EURO players.


This nonsense that we gotta save the GMs from themselves NEEDS TO STOP. They are PAID to do a job. If the current ones fail, REPLACE THEM with those that can.


I dont understand why YOU as a fan care so much about this.

Can you explain it to me please?

[MavsSuperFan]

I don't support paying dues; nor do I support monopolies.

All of the people who say "Do it another way" are invalidated by the fact that playing NCAA bball is by far the most direct route to the NBA. Any other way, and you have to cut a lot or corners and you may even get blackballed in one way or another.

I feel there is definitely something sinister going on.

That being said, if it was possible to force these guys to go to college, I think it would be better. It's just too bad that they can't do it for better reasons. Dudes need some education lol. Everyone is like Y U NEED EDUCATION? You need education for life. It doesn't have to be on algebra. Some couple day camp is not education on life.

And, a counter argument to all of the people who talk about what great players came out of HS or were one and done... yea but they weren't good at first. The NBA snagged them. They invested. Even if someone like LeBron was playing at all-star level in year one... think of what percent of his capabilities he was playing at. Maybe like 10%.

So, in a way, it would be nice if they could push the sharky NBA back a bit, but the issue becomes then that they are stuck with the sharky NCAA.

People DO need education. They need real life experience before you hand them millions of dollars. That's why celebs fail at life... and bball players fail at life (not all but some.)

Would be cool to see a system where the NBA could draft people as prospects and finance them through school. Of course, with the way corruption works, that would never turn out well... still if it worked the way it was intended, it would be nice.

-Smak

You realize that these guys (in a lot of cases) are being taught anything right?
There is a lot of evidence that schools outright cheat for their star players to maintain eligibility.

There was a sample essay about rosa parks awhile ago. It was both hilarious and depressing.

[Jameerthefear]

You realize that these guys (in a lot of cases) are being taught anything right?
There is a lot of evidence that schools outright cheat for their star players to maintain eligibility.

There was a sample essay about rosa parks awhile ago. It was both hilarious and depressing.
Yeah. I posted it in the OTC. These players aren't learning shit.

[FLDFSU]

20 year olds will have much better suited strength to play in the NBAwith having the 20 year old rule. It's not unfair to ask for better general strength and more growth as a requirement for players in the NBA. Not from a basketball point of view, if you want to argue that it's not fair to let players become millionairs a year later in their life that's fine, but they won't get my sympathy.

I bet most succesful companies in the US didn't get there by allowing teenagers to become multi-millionaires within their first year in the company..

And 27 year olds have better strength than 20 year olds...Lets make a rule that you have to be 27 before entering the draft!

And how, with the limitations of the NCAA and the college weight rooms/strength coaches/ the requirements of being a college student will the strength of 20 years in college be better than ones that are 20 year old professionals? Or even one that plays overseas?


This makes zero sense. "Well, 20 year olds need to get better-strength wise and basketball skills wise." So we accomplish this by EXCLUDING them out of the premier league for basketball? :facepalm


And no one is asking for anyone's sympathy they are asking for LOGIC.
It is the NBA GMs crying about "not having enough time to scout" prospects, or crying about *having* to give Joe Johnson 130 million dollars.

[MavsSuperFan]

Double post, see this is bad thinking because the NBA are the real slave traders lol. They are just paying. But you don't think there are people manipulating their use of money? You don't think dudes are just being guided along? Most are.

All of these people... shoe companies, NBA, etc, are exploiting them just as much as the NCAA. Arguably more because they are selling their life to them. You can quit school or transfer, you can't really get out of those contracts.

Sad to think that some people would be like SHIT ID BE A SLAVE TO BE A MILLIONAIRE AND BE ON TV... all entertainment is ****ed up and slavery like. Plenty of dudes with talent aren't gonna go to the NBA... they have replacements. If someone acts up, they ditch them. Same with going overseas, if people are doing shit the NBA doesn't like, then the NBA will punish them by drafting them later.

-Smak
Yeah a big component of slavery is not being paid.

NBA players are 1% and live lives of luxury.
It is insulting to actual slaves to call them slaves.


Sad to think that some people would be like SHIT ID BE A SLAVE TO BE A MILLIONAIRE AND BE ON TV... all entertainment is ****ed up and slavery like. Plenty of dudes with talent aren't gonna go to the NBA... they have replacements. If someone acts up, they ditch them. Same with going overseas, if people are doing shit the NBA doesn't like, then the NBA will punish them by drafting them later.

Thats not even close to slavery.


All of these people... shoe companies, NBA, etc, are exploiting them just as much as the NCAA. Arguably more because they are selling their life to them. You can quit school or transfer, you can't really get out of those contracts.


Even if we assumed what you are saying had merit, which it doesnt.
Slaves were not allowed to sell their lives. They were property.
First of yes you can get out of those contracts. Just give the money back.
Secondly who would want to get out of a multi-million dollar contract selling shoes?

[Akrazotile]

And 27 year olds have better strength than 20 year olds...Lets make a rule that you have to be 27 before entering the draft!

And how, with the limitations of the NCAA and the college weight rooms/strength coaches/ the requirements of being a college student will the strength of 20 years in college be better than ones that are 20 year old professionals? Or even one that plays overseas?


This makes zero sense. "Well, 20 year olds need to get better-strength wise and basketball skills wise." So we accomplish this by EXCLUDING them out of the premier league for basketball? :facepalm


And no one is asking for anyone's sympathy they are asking for LOGIC.
It is the NBA GMs crying about "not having enough time to scout" prospects, or crying about *having* to give Joe Johnson 130 million dollars.


Again why do YOU care so much??

[ZenMaster]

And 27 year olds have better strength than 20 year olds...Lets make a rule that you have to be 27 before entering the draft!

And how, with the limitations of the NCAA and the college weight rooms/strength coaches/ the requirements of being a college student will the strength of 20 years in college be better than ones that are 20 year old professionals? Or even one that plays overseas?


This makes zero sense. "Well, 20 year olds need to get better-strength wise and basketball skills wise." So we accomplish this by EXCLUDING them out of the premier league for basketball? :facepalm


And no one is asking for anyone's sympathy they are asking for LOGIC.
It is the NBA GMs crying about "not having enough time to scout" prospects, or crying about *having* to give Joe Johnson 130 million dollars.

They need to get better strength wise as in they have to grow and get their bodies one year older. Much better they do that while getting a lot of playing time for an NCAA team than sitting on an NBA bench.

You make it 20 and not 27 because there has to be a balance, and because players are generally ready at 20.

If you're so against then I'm sure you're also against the idea of the draft right? Telling people, teenagers even, where to live and who to work for without any consideration at all to personal issues.

[FLDFSU]

I dont understand why YOU as a fan care so much about this.

Can you explain it to me please?


I care about issues that I deem HIGHLIGHT the hypocrisy of the general public when it comes to sports, and their stars.

I love pointing out to certain segments of our population that rails against anything interfering with "free will" and "markets" but are the the same individuals who vehemently support organizations such as the NCAA or the notion that the NBA should have arbitrary age restrictions.

There are reasons that a segment of our sports consumption population behaves this way, but that's another story for another day.

[christian1923]

I wish they had the NFL rules for three years wait in the NBA. Just compare how much ready to contribute nfl rookies are to NBA rookies.

[Clyde]

Suck it up. The rule is going to change to whatever the nba wishes.

The NBAPA (players union)will be part of the process the decision, so there goes any idea of a player suing the league for not being able to enter the draft early.

Get a clue and take your so called "facts" elsewhere

[MavsSuperFan]

Suck it up. The rule is going to change to whatever the nba wishes.

The NBAPA (players union)will be part of the process the decision, so there goes any idea of a player suing the league for not being able to enter the draft early.

Get a clue and take your so called "facts" elsewhere
This is true.

Poor kids have no power, and will almost assuredly be exploited.

NCAA gets free labour
NBA teams get more time to scout players and will pay less max contracts.
NBA current players will have less competition for roster spots.

The system is great for everyone other than the kids, who are basically powerless.

I think everybody sees that, and sees that it will happen, its just some people find it exploitive.

[christian1923]

This is true.

Poor kids have no power, and will almost assuredly be exploited.

NCAA gets free labour
NBA teams get more time to scout players and will pay less max contracts.
NBA current players will have less competition for roster spots.

The system is great for everyone other than the kids, who are basically powerless.

I think everybody sees that, and sees that it will happen, its just some people find it exploitive.
Don't make it seem like these college hoopers have it bad

[Clyde]

This is true.

Poor kids have no power, and will almost assuredly be exploited.

NCAA gets free labour
NBA teams get more time to scout players and will pay less max contracts.
NBA current players will have less competition for roster spots.

The system is great for everyone other than the kids, who are basically powerless.

I think everybody sees that, and sees that it will happen, its just some people find it exploitive.

1 - The NCAA allow these kids to attend their school for free.

2- How is this a negative?

3- How so? There is still going to be the same amount of players drafted each year, nothing changes.

[FLDFSU]

They need to get better strength wise as in they have to grow and get their bodies one year older. Much better they do that while getting a lot of playing time for an NCAA team than sitting on an NBA bench.

You make it 20 and not 27 because there has to be a balance, and because players are generally ready at 20.

If you're so against then I'm sure you're also against the idea of the draft right? Telling people, teenagers even, where to live and who to work for without any consideration at all to personal issues.

But sitting on a NBA bench is LESS restrictive than playing a lot of minutes in the NCAA to a player's development.

The NCAA has rules prohibiting the number of hours Parker can truly train at his craft, and the amount of contact a coach can have with him. In addition, Parker MUST devote his limited time to the art of being a Duke student.

Finally, Parker is generally NOT competing (in games or practice) against professionals.

You don't become a great trial lawyer by going to law school, and doing moot court. You become one by practicing law--inside a court room.


And again, why the arbitrary number of 20? Why not 27? Then we can have a league FILLED with finished products and "better" the game.

And no, I am not against the draft. I am against the NBA continuing to employ stupid GMs by limiting their stupidity with stupid age restrictions.

[MavsSuperFan]

Don't make it seem like these college hoopers have it bad
Compared to what their talent earns for the NCAA, yes they do.

UConn guard on unions: I go to bed 'starving'
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/07/us/ncaa-basketball-finals-shabazz-napier-hungry/

(CNN) -- He's one of the best basketball players in the country, and he led his team to victory in Monday night's NCAA championship game. But the University of Connecticut's Shabazz Napier recently told reporters he sometimes goes to bed "starving" because he can't afford food, despite that UConn's student-athlete guidelines include provisions for meal plans.

Even if that is an exaggeration, i have heard it from too many players eg. webber, how hard it was for them and their families before they got their NBA money.

The NCAA is wildly profitable, and everyone is making millions (coaches, deans, athletic directors, etc) except for the players.

For what they contribute, they are definitely being exploited.

[Clyde]

Compared to what their talent earns for the NCAA, yes they do.

UConn guard on unions: I go to bed 'starving'
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/07/us/ncaa-basketball-finals-shabazz-napier-hungry/


Even if that is an exaggeration, i have heard it from too many players eg. webber, how hard it was for them and their families before they got their NBA money.

The NCAA is wildly profitable, and everyone is making millions (coaches, deans, athletic directors, etc) except for the players.

For what they contribute, they are definitely being exploited.

so they should be paid? How much?

[ZenMaster]

But sitting on a NBA bench is LESS restrictive than playing a lot of minutes in the NCAA to a player's development.

The NCAA has rules prohibiting the number of hours Parker can truly train at his craft, and the amount of contact a coach can have with him. In addition, Parker MUST devote his limited time to the art of being a Duke student.

Finally, Parker is generally NOT competing (in games or practice) against professionals.

You don't become a great trial lawyer by going to law school, and doing moot court. You become one by practicing law--inside a court room.


And again, why the arbitrary number of 20? Why not 27? Then we can have a league FILLED with finished products and "better" the game.

And no, I am not against the draft. I am against the NBA continuing to employ stupid GMs by limiting their stupidity with stupid age restrictions.

How could you not be against the draft? The whole idea of it is against free will.

20 and not 27 because there has to be a balance, and because 20 is a good age physilogically for people to start compete against top notch 27 year old athletes.

People are willing to pay to watch these guys play basketball while getting bombarded with commercials and advertising at the same time, it's OK to expect the product to be as good as it can.

[Clyde]

Adam Silver.... :facepalm

because this is all Adam Silvers idea, and no one else (like the owners) had any input.

:facepalm

[MavsSuperFan]

1 - The NCAA allow these kids to attend their school for free.

2- How is this a negative?

3- How so? There is still going to be the same amount of players drafted each year, nothing changes.

1. You know I would have much less of a problem with the NCAA system if that education was worth anything. If you dont make it to the NFL or NBA, you should probably hid the fact you played in college, on resumes. College players are not viewed well, whether that stereotype is fair or not, it exists.

There is a lot of evidence that schools basically cheat to help their stars maintain eligibility. They make joke courses specifically to boost the GPAs of their athletes. They encourage them to take easy majors, like communications, and discourage them from pursuing challenging majors, like finance or economics.

Professors are pressured to give them a pass, classmates are pressured to do the bulk of the work on team projects, etc.

CNN analysis: Some college athletes play like adults, read like 5th-graders
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/

A CNN investigation found public universities across the country where many students in the basketball and football programs could read only up to an eighth-grade level. The data obtained through open records requests also showed a staggering achievement gap between college athletes and their peers at the same institution.

http://imgick.pennlive.com/home/penn-media/width620/img/sports_impact/photo/14583612-mmmain.jpg
That got an A-

These guys arent getting a free education. They are being forced to pretend they are learning, and then they do their real job, of playing their sport. The colleges market the sport and make money off it. And pay the athletes nothing.

2. its not a negative, that list was to show all of the parties that enjoy the benefits of exploiting the kids.

3. there will be less competition since you are imposing (in this case increasing) an artificial minimum age limit. Sports have a natural maximum age limit, that will be their no matter what. You will be reducing the supply of labor, and therefore increasing the value of the labor that is available.

[FLDFSU]

This is true.

Poor kids have no power, and will almost assuredly be exploited.

NCAA gets free labour
NBA teams get more time to scout players and will pay less max contracts.
NBA current players will have less competition for roster spots.

The system is great for everyone other than the kids, who are basically powerless.

I think everybody sees that, and sees that it will happen, its just some people find it exploitive.

But that's the thing. How does this help current NBA players have less competition for roster spots?

Is the NBA planning on reducing the number of drafts picks, or prohibiting Parker from ever coming out?

If Mo Williams is going to be replaced by Parker, he is going to be replaced by Parker, or the current year's version of Parker.

[christian1923]

Compared to what their talent earns for the NCAA, yes they do.

UConn guard on unions: I go to bed 'starving'
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/07/us/ncaa-basketball-finals-shabazz-napier-hungry/


Even if that is an exaggeration, i have heard it from too many players eg. webber, how hard it was for them and their families before they got their NBA money.

The NCAA is wildly profitable, and everyone is making millions (coaches, deans, athletic directors, etc) except for the players.

For what they contribute, they are definitely being exploited.
You really think these players don't get paid? How can you explain all the tattoos. De'anthony Thomas playing with a ROLEX on. Every player having all the new Jordan's.

All it takes is mowing a rich boosters lawn.

Getting 1200 a month for your rent when you only need 500.

Maybe some schools do it the right way but most don't. I've seen to many athletes driving range rovers and beamers to believe they're being exploited.

All you have to do is look at some of these players instagrams. They dont hide all the nice shit they have.

[Clyde]

1. You know I would have much less of a problem with the NCAA system if that education was worth anything. If you dont make it to the NFL or NBA, you should probably hid the fact you played in college, on resumes. College players are not viewed well, whether that stereotype is fair or not, it exists.

There is a lot of evidence that schools basically cheat to help their stars maintain eligibility. They make joke courses specifically to boost the GPAs of their athletes. They encourage them to take easy majors, like communications, and discourage them from pursuing challenging majors, like finance or economics.

Professors are pressured to give them a pass, classmates are pressured to do the bulk of the work on team projects, etc.

CNN analysis: Some college athletes play like adults, read like 5th-graders
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/


http://imgick.pennlive.com/home/penn-media/width620/img/sports_impact/photo/14583612-mmmain.jpg
That got an A-

These guys arent getting a free education. They are being forced to pretend they are learning, and then they do their real job, of playing their sport. The colleges market the sport and make money off it. And pay the athletes nothing.

2. its not a negative, that list was to show all of the parties that enjoy the benefits of exploiting the kids.

3. there will be less competition since you are imposing (in this case increasing) an artificial minimum age limit. Sports have a natural maximum age limit, that will be their no matter what. You will be reducing the supply of labor, and therefore increasing the value of the labor that is available.

We'll agree to disagree. the supply of labor is the same, the same amount of people are allowed into the league each year age limit or not.

[FLDFSU]

How could you not be against the draft? The whole idea of it is against free will.

20 and not 27 because there has to be a balance, and because 20 is a good age physilogically for people to start compete against top notch 27 year old athletes.

People are willing to pay to watch these guys play basketball while getting bombarded with commercials and advertising at the same time, it's OK to expect the product to be as good as it can.

I am all for free will...doesn't mean I approve of you screaming "I have a bomb" in LAX.

The US government is against the idea of free will...doesn't mean I don't support the idea of a US government.


And the only reason 18 is not an arbitrary age (it really still is) is because that is the age in which this country says you are an adult. But 20? That is far more arbitrary.

And I would love an answer: if the product would be more good at 27, than at 20, why not change it to 27...you get a far better product?

[Clyde]

I am all for free will...doesn't mean I approve of you screaming "I have a bomb" in LAX.

The US government is against the idea of free will...doesn't mean I don't support the idea of a US government.


And the only reason 18 is not an arbitrary age (it really still is) is because that is the age in which this country says you are an adult. But 20? That is far more arbitrary.

And I would love an answer: if the product would be more good at 27, than at 20, why not change it to 27...you get a far better product?

more good? is like that better?

to answer your question kids would be out of school and not playing for 3-4 years before they were eligible.

don't be a silly fool.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Totally agree with Silver. Make this a skilled, intelligent, man's league again.

[MavsSuperFan]

We'll agree to disagree. the supply of labor is the same, the same amount of people are allowed into the league each year age limit or not.
the quality of the labour will be hurt imo.
Good players that could have taken the roster spots will be prevented by the age limit.

Players over the age limit who would have lost out to younger talent, get those roster spots. It obviously wont affect the stars, it will benefit the players that are barely hanging on to the roster. 1 year at minimum NBA salary can be huge for those guys.

[Clyde]

Totally agree with this by Silver.

It's not just Silver. dont fuel the fire


but i know what your saying

[MavsSuperFan]

can the proponents of the age limit increase at least acknowledge that it will detrimentally affect players, to receive their economic compensation a year later?

[Clyde]

the quality of the labour will be hurt imo.
Good players that could have taken the roster spots will be prevented by the age limit.

Players over the age limit who would have lost out to younger talent, get those roster spots. It obviously wont affect the stars, it will benefit the players that are barely hanging on to the roster. 1 year at minimum NBA salary can be huge for those guys.

80% of both rookies and old vets dont play. they sit on a bench. And in the case they had to play 99% of coaches play the vet.

Im not talking Rookie Lebron here, im talking the players taken in the late 1st and 2nd round.

Your argument doesn't make sense to me.

[Clyde]

can the proponents of the age limit increase at least acknowledge that it will detrimentally affect players, to receive their economic compensation a year later?

who cares. they make their millions a year later then they do now. cry me a ****ing river.

[FLDFSU]

more good? is like that better?

to answer your question kids would be out of school and not playing for 3-4 years before they were eligible.

don't be a silly fool.

Very good. I missed that.

Anyways, not really. Just like the NBA doesn't prohibit you from going to Europe to play for 1-2 years out of High School, the NBA wouldn't prohibit Parker from playing in Europe for 3-4 after Duke (or 7-8 years if he decides not to go to Duke what-so-ever).

You think 27 is being "silly" and foolish. I think the equally arbitrary number of 20 is equally silly and foolish. And besides, according to him, the NBA wants the best product.

Is a player more likely to be playing at his best closer to 27, or closer to 20? Is a player ever in his prime at 20? What about at 27?

Both numbers (20 and 27) are arbitrary and moronic.

[tpols]

who cares. they make their millions a year later then they do now. cry me a ****ing river.

injuries? risk? Does that not factor into anything

[MavsSuperFan]

who cares. they make their millions a year later then they do now. cry me a ****ing river.
What if they get hurt that last year?
What if that year is the difference between the time their rookie contract ends and the time they can get their max money. In that time in between lets say rose injuries his knee?


80% of both rookies and old vets dont play. they sit on a bench. And in the case they had to play 99% of coaches play the vet.

Im not talking Rookie Lebron here, im talking the players taken in the late 1st and 2nd round.

Your argument doesn't make sense to me.
Whether they play or not, they are still taking up a rooster spot. That rooster spot would mean the world to a player that is barely hanging on in the league.

That is the incentive for current players to support increasing the age requirement.

[FLDFSU]

who cares. they make their millions a year later then they do now. cry me a ****ing river.

And cry me a river because billionaire owners entrust their stupid millionaire General Mangers to do a job they seemingly "need more time" to do.

We have posters crying about billionaire owners losing millions on talent their idiotic GMs failed to properly scout, or failed to pass over for the 4 year NCAA talent.


So it seems slight more productive, IMO, to cry over the 18 year old that generally has nothing worth mentioning, than it is to argue for their exclusion because Dan Gilbert just lost (not really) 5 million on a bust.

[ZenMaster]

I am all for free will...doesn't mean I approve of you screaming "I have a bomb" in LAX.

The US government is against the idea of free will...doesn't mean I don't support the idea of a US government.


And the only reason 18 is not an arbitrary age (it really still is) is because that is the age in which this country says you are an adult. But 20? That is far more arbitrary.

And I would love an answer: if the product would be more good at 27, than at 20, why not change it to 27...you get a far better product?

If they didn't come in before 27 the product would be worse, players need to play a certain ammount if they are to reach their top level of play close to their athletic peak.

But something happens around that 20 year old age, and that is that boys grow into men. It's the last part of growing up.

This rule is in dynamic with wanting to change the draft lottery, because the league needs to get rid of teams spending multiple season growing their talent while losing on purpose to aquire more. Having players come in more ready will make it easier to incorporate the talent into teams while focusing on winning.

Lastly I think you're a hypocrit for saying it's not OK to have certain requirements like being two years removed from high school, but it is OK to tell people where to live and who to work for when they are so valuable in the open market.

[Sarcastic]

Again why do YOU care so much??


Because it's fcking illegal to discriminate, you dumb tvvat.

[ThePhantomCreep]

[B]Okay, but if 18 year olds are in the draft, then if you think that the player may one day be a good player, you'll be forced to pick himbecause you know if you don't then someone else will.

..even if u don't think is ready NOW.

Which is the problem. There's too many 19 year olds taking up spot on rosters based on what their coaches think they will become in the future.

Idiotic logic. No one is holding a gun to a GM's head forcing them to draft anyone. Most of the time, they're dying to draft the HS kid.

[ZenMaster]

Idiotic logic. No one is holding a gun to a GM's head forcing them to draft anyone. Most of the time, they're dying to draft the HS kid.

Yes because that guy is the biggest talent and more than likely be the best player, but the excact same thing would be true if he had to be two years removed from high school, he'd just be more ready to contribute right away.

[Sarcastic]

Yes because that guy is the biggest talent and more than likely be the best player, but the excact same thing would be true if he had to be two years removed from high school, he'd just be more ready to contribute right away.


So basically you are ok with paying him at 20 years old, but not at 18.

[ZenMaster]

So basically you are ok with paying him at 20 years old, but not at 18.

Yeah the increase in play quality would be nice, both for the NBA and college ball.

Also, I'm not "against" paying them at age 18, but if they can hold off until they're 20 it would be better for the league considering how the whole things work with drafts and all.

IMO I'd like them to be able to draft and stay in school, or draft and place them in the D-league if they'd set it up for real development.