charles to shaq - "if it wasn't for kobe bryant you wouldnt have anything"

[kennethgriffin]

:confusedshrug:

shaq had no answer

[Uncle Drew]

He said the same with Rick Fox, so there goes that.

[L8kersfan222]

OUCH

[DaSeba5]

Shaq was too dominant for anyone to say that he wouldn't have won anything without Kobe.

[MavsSuperFan]

:confusedshrug:

shaq had no answer
Literally the dumbest thing barkley has ever said.
I mean shaq already has 1 ring without kobe

[kennethgriffin]

He said the same with Rick Fox, so there goes that.


actually he said "go thank rick fox too"

( pointing out he helped allot aswell )

but the main point was "no kobe = shaq would be a flash in the pan"

another quote

[qrich]

He said the same with Rick Fox, so there goes that.

Shh.

Kenneth is an idiot that thinks Kobe is God.

Leave him alone.

[Mr. Jabbar]

imagine what charles would do to gasol

[TheMarkMadsen]

can't wait to see the same people who were propping up chuck the other day chime in

[Fawker]

just made the same thread:lol but there is no escaping that one.

[LongLiveTheKing]

I do think he can be better than Michael," Barkley said. "I thought I would never compare somebody to Michael Jordan. But this guy, LeBron James, he does everything well. Michael did everything well. LeBron James is just bigger, stronger, faster. That's the only difference."
Chuck's a smart man :applause:

[FLDFSU]

:facepalm :facepalm Charles was CLEARLY trying to just mess with Shaq after him and Shaq are having a disagreement about what Howard is capable of.

Charles must have said 10 times that Shaq is an all time great and should not expect Howard to be as great as Shaq was...

:facepalm :facepalm Kobe tards

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Literally the dumbest thing barkley has ever said.
I mean shaq already has 1 ring without kobe
barkley was obviously joking.

[Fawker]

Athleticism 1st. Brute force 2nd.

[christian1923]

Duh. But there's nothing wrong with that. Kobe and Shaq needed each other.

[qrich]

So Kenny, you must also agree that LeBron > MJ > Kobe right

[J Shuttlesworth]

If Kobe never had Shaq, he would be a 2 ring 2 FMVP player, and probably never would have been considered better than Duncan at all.

[K Xerxes]

'And Kobe, if it wasn't for Derek Fisher you wouldnt have anything either'

[Tonius]

This was banter, Chuck was saying that statement in jest as he knows people always say that to Shaq or Kobe depending on their argument.

[Fawker]

Maybe Barkley slipped but obviously the comment has been in the reserve tank for years.

[tpols]

If Kobe never had Shaq, he would be a 2 ring 2 FMVP player, and probably never would have been considered better than Duncan at all.

That logic will not help your argument.. ie shaq w/o kobe would be a 1 ring, 0 FMVP player with wade being the best player on his only title team.

[Ron Jeremy]

That was literally the only thing Chuck was able to say without getting interrupted by Shaq. The hell does BBQ chicken even mean? :coleman:

[TheMarkMadsen]

If Kobe never had Shaq, he would be a 2 ring 2 FMVP player, and probably never would have been considered better than Duncan at all.

01-07 with a good team they are in title contention every year. Put Kobe on the Twolves and he probably still has 5, possibly more

[ihoopallday]

So Kenny, you must also agree that LeBron > MJ > Kobe right

:lol Waiting to see if he replies to this

[K Xerxes]

Chuck's a smart man :applause:

Just a few weeks ago, he said something like "my top 5 are Jordan, Oscar, Wilt, Kareem and Russell. And that list isn't going to change. First LeBron has to pass Kobe. 5>2."

Most recent info means LeBron will never crack Chuck's top 5. Smart man I guess. :confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:biggums:

Kobe crazies actually took Chuck serious? :oldlol:

[buddha]

Literally the dumbest thing barkley has ever said.
I mean shaq already has 1 ring without kobe

but that ring doesn't count because he wasn't fmvp :confusedshrug:

[qrich]

:lol Waiting to see if he replies to this

He won't.

Though that Chuck comment is also false. If it is true.

[Brokenbeat]

but that ring doesn't count because he wasn't fmvp :confusedshrug:


Shaq can't win without a dominate SG :banana:

[DaSeba5]

01-07 with a good team they are in title contention every year. Put Kobe on the Twolves and he probably still has 5, possibly more

I don't think he would have 5 or more rings if he wasn't on the Lakers, but he definitely would win at least 1 or 2.

[Rodmantheman]

:biggums:

Kobe crazies actually took Chuck serious? :oldlol:

:lol

[Marlo_Stanfield]

He said the same with Rick Fox, so there goes that.
ether:applause:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Kobe made Shaqs career

[josh99]

It's a team game, it doesn't matter if Player A > Player B if Player B's Team > Player A's Team. People overrate players and underrate teams.

[Fawker]

He was serious. Pandora's box opened whether you side with Shaq or Kobe.

[Meticode]

There are some very absurd posts in this thread. You need a team to win in basketball. I don't care how good you are. Sure, Shaq won a ring without Shaq. Of course let's forget teh fact he had a Dwyane Wade on his team that was getting fouls called for him if you breathed on him. Players need each other in this game and that's the thing I love about the game. I love that one player can change the total outcome of the game, but in the end you need to play as a team overall.

[kennethgriffin]

ether:applause:

actually like i said when i replied to what you're quoting


chuck said " thank fox also"

he didnt say "without fox you wouldnt have nothing"

so its not even close to the same thing


like saying "without money you wouldnt have a sex with anyone"

then thinking that quote is the same as "thank the fact that you have a car aswell"

an infinitely less embarrassing means for attracting the opposite sex.

ones a totally destructive insult. the other can be said about most men...


rick fox is a handy tool like a car..

kobe was the money that got shaq laid

[moe94]

Shaq won with Wade. He won in 2000 and Kobe wasn't even close to a superstar.

[truhooper]

:biggums:

Kobe crazies actually took Chuck serious? :oldlol:

:roll:

[qrich]

Yup, as expected.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I don't think he would have 5 or more rings if he wasn't on the Lakers, but he definitely would win at least 1 or 2.
Essentially, he would have to beat Shaq's team... I just can't see it. Shaq was clearly the most dominant player of the early 2000s

[DaSeba5]

Essentially, he would have to beat Shaq's team... I just can't see it. Shaq was clearly the most dominant player of the early 2000s

Well if we're talking Wolves, he would be paired with prime KG. Plus if Kobe wasn't a Laker, Shaq probably doesn't go to LA.

[Fawker]

3 peat Kobe was young and oblivious.

Back to back Kobe had false wisdom too.

But both versions not present on the Lakers roster = no rings.

[Rodmantheman]

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[kennethgriffin]

Shaq won with Wade. He won in 2000 and Kobe wasn't even close to a superstar.


not close to a superstar?

2nd team all nba, 1st team all defense, 23/5/5, saved the 2000 western confrence finals in game 7 when shaq was about to choke another ring away, game winning shot in round 1, game winning shot in nba finals.



its funny how when kobe averages 23ppg its trash. nothing close to a star... when tim duncan does it ... ITS HIS CAREER HIGH

thats the kobe standard we're used to though... if he isnt averaging 30... hes worthless :hammerhead:




and btw nobody counts 2006... rigged 20fta a game for 1 player

[Rodmantheman]

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[Rodmantheman]

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[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Shaq won with Wade. He won in 2000 and Kobe wasn't even close to a superstar.
If 2000 Kobe wasnt close to a superstar then i guess current Curry, Westbrook, Harden, etc arent close to superstars either

[J Shuttlesworth]

not close to a superstar?

2nd team all nba, 1st team all defense, 23/5/5, saved the 2000 western confrence finals in game 7 when shaq was about to choke another ring away, game winning shot in round 1, game winning shot in nba finals.



its funny how when kobe averages 23ppg its trash. nothing close to a star... when tim duncan does it ... ITS HIS CAREER HIGH

thats the kobe standard we're used to though... if he isnt averaging 30... hes worthless :hammerhead:




and btw nobody counts 2006... rigged 20fta a game for 1 player
23/5/5 is hardly a superstar.... Harden's putting up 25/7/5 or something and I doubt you consider him a superstar.

And STFU about Duncan. 23/5/5 is not his career high. There's a diference between 23/5/5 and 23/13/4 while being the anchor for an elite defense.

[Rodmantheman]

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[Thorn]

Rodmantheman's posts are pretty much the highlight of this thread

[Rodmantheman]

Rodmantheman's posts are pretty much the highlight of this thread

http://i.imgur.com/tHxwK.gif

[clutchinho]

Kobe made Shaqs career

Truth. Underachiever until Kobe and the 3peat turned the perception around.

Now Shaq gets to talk shit about MDE, he'd have no argument if Kobe didn't turn up at the right time for him.

[Fawker]

Penny, Kobe, Wade are cherries on top. Shaq is the fatty stuff.

[kennethgriffin]

23/5/5 is hardly a superstar.... Harden's putting up 25/7/5 or something and I doubt you consider him a superstar.

And STFU about Duncan. 23/5/5 is not his career high. There's a diference between 23/5/5 and 23/13/4 while being the anchor for an elite defense.


so if you're a center and are taller and are expected to average double digit rebounds then your 23ppg average looks infinitely better than a guards 23ppg because of his expected ( actually slightly above average ) rebounding of 5 per game


stfu :biggums:

people call paul george a superstar and that dudes at 21ppg with 3 assists...

[Rodmantheman]

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[moe94]

If 2000 Kobe wasnt close to a superstar then i guess current Curry, Westbrook, Harden, etc arent close to superstars either

Harden is doing 25/5/6 on 62 TS% and no one considers him a true superstar, at least on this board.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

This is what Kobetards get excited about? :lol

There's no escaping it. Shaq was the man for those title runs. And if it wasn't for Shaq (and the refs), Kobe would have 1 title and one FMVP (arguable Gasol's).

[Rodmantheman]

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[K Xerxes]

2000 NBA finals:

Shaq: 38-17 on 61%

Kobe: 16-5-4 on 37%

[Rodmantheman]

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[moe94]

2000 NBA finals:

Shaq: 38-17 on 61%

Kobe: 16-5-4 on 37%

that shit that make your soul burn slow

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

2000 NBA finals:

Shaq: 38-17 on 61%

Kobe: 16-5-4 on 37%
No person on this planet thinks Kobe was a better player than Shaq in 2000:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
2000 Shaq is probably the best player ever:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

he still wouldnt have gone to the finals if Kobe didnt bail out his choking against Portland

[Warfan]

Harden is doing 25/5/6 on 62 TS% and no one considers him a true superstar, at least on this board.

Kobe was elite defensively, and well we don't need to discuss hardens defense. I'd say he wasnt far off from being a superstar, but still shaq was a lot better than him. If anything it speaks to how great shaq was.

[Rodmantheman]

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[clutchinho]

This is what Kobetards get excited about? :lol

There's no escaping it. Shaq was the man for those title runs. And if it wasn't for Shaq (and the refs), Kobe would have 1 title and one FMVP (arguable Gasol's).

2000 Kobe was an elite facilitator and the best man to man defender in the league, Harden is Harden

[kennethgriffin]

This is what Kobetards get excited about? :lol

There's no escaping it. Shaq was the man for those title runs. And if it wasn't for Shaq (and the refs), Kobe would have 1 title and one FMVP (arguable Gasol's).


being "the man" on a 3 peat team where 1 guy averaged 27ppg for the 3 years and the other guy averaged 25ppg for the 3 years combined... its not really saying much

it was a 2 man team

one guy has to be better...

shaq had more rebounds
kobe had more assists
shaq had more blocks
kobe had more steals
shaq defended the inside ( 2nd team all defense )
kobe defended the outside ( 1st team all defense )

kobe averaged 29ppg in the 2001 playoffs for god sake.. thats better than 95% of finals mvps in nba history

[Rodmantheman]

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[clutchinho]

being "the man" on a 3 peat team where 1 guy averaged 27ppg for the 3 years and the other guy averaged 25ppg for the 3 years combined... its not really saying much

it was a 2 man team

one guy has to be better...

shaq had more rebounds
kobe had more assists
shaq had more blocks
kobe had more steals
shaq defended the inside ( 2nd team all defense )
kobe defended the outside ( 1st team all defense )

kobe averaged 29ppg in the 2001 playoffs for god sake.. thats better than 95% of finals mvps in nba history

For the most part, their 3rd best player on that 3peat team was Robert Horry

He would be about about the 6th-7th best player on the current Heat team.

[NumberSix]

Shaq won in 2000 without kobe

[kennethgriffin]

and LOL@ people bringing up kobes 2000 finals average

he got injured and basically missed an entire game. that 1 game split his average in half

and there wouldnt even have been a finals if not for kobe in game 7 of the wcf

[Brokenbeat]

Harden is doing 25/5/6 on 62 TS% and no one considers him a true superstar, at least on this board.


Nobody takes this board seriously anyway :confusedshrug:

[Rodmantheman]

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[HoopsFanNumero1]

being "the man" on a 3 peat team where 1 guy averaged 27ppg for the 3 years and the other guy averaged 25ppg for the 3 years combined... its not really saying much

it was a 2 man team

one guy has to be better...

shaq had more rebounds
kobe had more assists
shaq had more blocks
kobe had more steals
shaq defended the inside ( 2nd team all defense )
kobe defended the outside ( 1st team all defense )

kobe averaged 29ppg in the 2001 playoffs for god sake.. thats better than 95% of finals mvps in nba history

Doesn't matter. Shaq was unarguable better for all three of those runs. The whole topic is stupid. Point is you give Shaq a good team during that time span, you get a very strong contender. Didn't have to be Kobe ...

[Rodmantheman]

Do you have anything to contribute outside of stupid gifs?

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1580934/troll-dancing-o.gifhttp://

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Shaq won in 2000 without kobe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNN920v6ss

[Rodmantheman]

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[Rodmantheman]

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[20Four]

http://a.gifb.in/052010/1272965532_nigerian-kid-dance.gif
:roll: :roll:

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[kennethgriffin]

Shaq won in 2000 without kobe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J90qsQo5dg4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNN920v6ss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzmRk15I7g4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ0RFja2znY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx4K47En3eo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFHqwat3Wm8


:biggums:

[aboss4real24]

same ppl who side with no ring barkley wen he says stuff about the knicks

now all of sudden dont wanna value his opinion

Lmao

I Luv watchn ppl contradict themselves

[Rodmantheman]

Did I do too much:biggums:

[SpecialQue]

Doesn't matter. Shaq was unarguable better for all three of those runs. The whole topic is stupid. Point is you give Shaq a good team during that time span, you get a very strong contender. Didn't have to be Kobe ...

How many championships did Shaq win without Kobe while also being the best player on the team?

Also, do you honestly believe the Lakers win the 2000 WCF without Kobe?

[Cold soul]

Charles speaking the truth here even though Shaq won once without Kobe. :bowdown:

[kennethgriffin]

Did I do too much:biggums:


man you're not even funny. just stupid dude. and i never pick on anyone here

just asked for you to be banned. and i never do that either

[Rodmantheman]

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[Fawker]

Big fish in a small pond according to Phil. A cash out lazy bum. An extension, a unique tool to Phil and student of the game Kobe. Phil drew plays for Kobe.

[20Four]

'And Kobe, if it wasn't for Derek Fisher you wouldnt have anything either'
And without Ray Allen Lebron wouldn't have his 2nd ring :roll:

[clutchinho]

A question to throw out

Which other 2 players in NBA history can 3peat with a supporting cast like this

Horace Grant
Rick Fox
Fisher
Horry
Devean George
Ty Lue

None of those guys would have started on any other playoff team

[Rodmantheman]

man you're not even funny. just stupid dude. and i never pick on anyone here

just asked for you to be banned. and i never do that either


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[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Shaq without Kobe

1 finals loss, 1 finals win. 3 AllNBA 1st team

Kobe without Shaq

1 finals loss, 2 finals wins, 2 FMVP, 1 MVP. 8 AllNBA 1st team.

Shaq was holding Kobe back.

[Fawker]

A question to throw out

Which other 2 players in NBA history can 3peat with a supporting cast like this

Horace Grant
Rick Fox
Fisher
Horry
Devean George
Ty Lue

None of those guys would have started on any other playoff team

Incentive and good pep talk is a muh****a tho. If they know their role 20 mins out of the 48 thats good enough. Mitch Ritch and Ron Harper were nothing to sneeze at too.

[Cold soul]

Shaq without Kobe

1 finals loss, 1 finals win. 3 AllNBA 1st team

Kobe without Shaq

1 finals loss, 2 finals wins, 2 FMVP, 1 MVP. 8 AllNBA 1st team.

Shaq was holding Kobe back.


/thread

[clutchinho]

An underrated part of Kobe's game, nobody in NBA history was better at getting the most out of a big man while also getting his as Kobe was. Kobe + an elite big man, with scrubs to fill out the roster is a contender on any era.

Just shows more how much of a bitch Dwight Howard was

[Fawker]

Con-census: Kobe was the more important ingredient. The player that lost more.

[Fawker]

No 8th grader aspires to be like Shaq. His legacy is short. Big kids handle the ball more now too. Kids still want to be like MJ or Kobe or Wade or LeBron and miss Shaq completely.

[ArbitraryWater]

but that ring doesn't count because he wasn't fmvp :confusedshrug:

Who says that? :lol

Main point is, being the BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM.... over the entire course of the season, you crazed fkn nut.

[T_L_P]

01-07 with a good team they are in title contention every year. Put Kobe on the Twolves and he probably still has 5, possibly more

:facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

and LOL@ people bringing up kobes 2000 finals average

he got injured and basically missed an entire game. that 1 game split his average in half

and there wouldnt even have been a finals if not for kobe in game 7 of the wcf



split his average in half?

if we take away game 2, he doesnt average 16 ppg but 19.... whaohhh


so shaq won with kobe playing 4/6 games, and absolutely SUCKING in games 5 and 6...

Kobe scored 8 points on 4-20 shooting, that's 20% FG.

[JohnFreeman]

I cringe at the people taking Charles comment seriously :facepalm

[SwayDizzle]

Shaq won with Wade. He won in 2000 and Kobe wasn't even close to a superstar.
:biggums:

[T_L_P]

23/5/5 is hardly a superstar.... Harden's putting up 25/7/5 or something and I doubt you consider him a superstar.

And STFU about Duncan. 23/5/5 is not his career high. There's a diference between 23/5/5 and 23/13/4 while being the anchor for an elite defense.

26/13/4/3 actually. :cheers:

[guy]

and LOL@ people bringing up kobes 2000 finals average

he got injured and basically missed an entire game. that 1 game split his average in half

and there wouldnt even have been a finals if not for kobe in game 7 of the wcf



So he was averaging 30/10/8 if you don't include that game? :oldlol: Do the math before you say something stupid like this. Even without that game his averages were pretty disappointing.

[guy]

Barkley was obviously joking to dig at Shaq. Back in 2007, when the TNT crew tried to add 10 more players to the all-time 50 list, Barkley controversially left Kobe off his list. Now he wouldn't do that, but he obviously doesn't really think that highly of him.

[Vienceslav]

Well if Kobe went down with a knee injury before the playoffs then yes, but you can say that about a lot of players as it pertains to winning a ring on a team.
Look at OKC last year, Westbrook goes down, not even the WCF.
You could replace Kobe with TMac and Shaq would have similar results, goes both ways though, Kobe/KG would have some success.
Anyway it's a stupid argument to begin with, you can spin the quote anyway you want and all you'll get are speculations.

[red1]

charles says many things

[SpecialQue]

Funny how none of you Kobe-bashing assholes even bothered to answer the question: would the Lakers have won that Portland series in 2000 without Kobe?

[JellyBean]

Duh. But there's nothing wrong with that. Kobe and Shaq needed each other.

:cheers: And a Phil Jackson to complete the triangle.

[Dro]

Kobe fans want this to be true so bad that its gone 8 pages when a monkey could tell that Charles was just joking....

[CelticBaller]

He won a ring without him :oldlol:

[Heavincent]

Barkley was obviously joking to dig at Shaq. Back in 2007, when the TNT crew tried to add 10 more players to the all-time 50 list, Barkley controversially left Kobe off his list. Now he wouldn't do that, but he obviously doesn't really think that highly of him.

He said Kobe is a top 5 player of all time.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He won a ring without him :oldlol:
As a 2nd option. How many did Shaq win w/o Kobe as the man?
And lets not forget the numerous sweeps Shaq was in

[red1]

He won a ring without him :oldlol:
Even without kobe and subtracting half of his career shaq still has more rings than chuck :lol

[red1]

As a 2nd option. How many did Shaq win w/o Kobe as the man?
And lets not forget the numerous sweeps Shaq was in
shaq> kobe or kd

[AirFederer]

Funny how none of you Kobe-bashing assholes even bothered to answer the question: would the Lakers have won that Portland series in 2000 without Kobe?

Yes.

Next.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

shaq> kobe or kd
At his peak yeah. Kobe is better alltime
Obviously hes better than KD so far why even bring him up:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[red1]

At his peak yeah. Kobe is better alltime
Obviously hes better than KD so far why even bring him up:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
thats right :applause:

[KyleKong]

At his peak yeah. Kobe is better alltime

Not even close.

[rmt]

Charles says some dumb things sometimes.

[KG215]

actually like i said when i replied to what you're quoting


chuck said " thank fox also"

he didnt say "without fox you wouldnt have nothing"

so its not even close to the same thing


like saying "without money you wouldnt have a sex with anyone"

then thinking that quote is the same as "thank the fact that you have a car aswell"

an infinitely less embarrassing means for attracting the opposite sex.

ones a totally destructive insult. the other can be said about most men...


rick fox is a handy tool like a car..

kobe was the money that got shaq laid
The fact that you're taking a comment that was clearly and obviously said in jest and analyzing it while also comparing it to another comment said in jest really says all we need to know about you.

[ImKobe]

Shaq won 0 before joining Kobe, Shaq won 1 as a sidekick and got swept in the 1st round after being traded from LA

Kobe leads a team to 3 straight Finals and wins 2 more rings as the guy and puts up some of the most dominating Playoff series ever.

Charles is on the money.

[Rodmantheman]

Shaq won 0 before joining Kobe, Shaq won 1 as a sidekick and got swept in the 1st round after being traded from LA

Kobe leads a team to 3 straight Finals and wins 2 more rings as the guy and puts up some of the most dominating Playoff series ever.

Charles is on the money.

Very unbiased analysis wait look at your username:hammerhead:

[rmt]

Shaq without Kobe

1 finals loss, 1 finals win. 3 AllNBA 1st team

Kobe without Shaq

1 finals loss, 2 finals wins, 2 FMVP, 1 MVP. 8 AllNBA 1st team.

Shaq was holding Kobe back.

All that means is that Kobe got prime Shaq, and Shaq didn't have prime Kobe.

[KyleKong]

Shaq won 0 before joining Kobe, Shaq won 1 as a sidekick and got swept in the 1st round after being traded from LA

Kobe leads a team to 3 straight Finals and wins 2 more rings as the guy and puts up some of the most dominating Playoff series ever.

Charles is on the money.

Holy shit, is this how Kobe stans actually all think or is it just this guy?

Wow.

[Bigsmoke]

Shaq atleast got the Finals MVPs.

[red1]

Not even close.
Good catch I cant believe he slipped that one past me. Shaq> kobe all-time.

[ImKobe]

Holy shit, is this how Kobe stans actually all think or is it just this guy?

Wow.

Shaq won 0 before joining Kobe - true, right?
Shaq won 1 as a sidekick in 06 at Miami - true, right?
Shaq got swept in the 1st round with HCA while being the defending champs in 07 - true, right?
Shaq played with Nash, missed Playoffs - true, right?
Shaq played with prime Lebron and lost in the 2nd round - true, right?
Kobe led a team to 3 straight Finals appearances from 08-10 - true, right?
Kobe won 2 Finals MVPs - true, right?
Kobe dominated 2008 Western Conference Playoffs, 2009 WCF, 2009 Finals, 2010 WCF - true, right?

[Rodmantheman]

Shaq won 0 before joining Kobe - true, right?
Shaq won 1 as a sidekick in 06 at Miami - true, right?
Shaq got swept in the 1st round with HCA while being the defending champs in 07 - true, right?
Shaq played with Nash, missed Playoffs - true, right?
Shaq played with prime Lebron and lost in the 2nd round - true, right?
Kobe led a team to 3 straight Finals appearances from 08-10 - true, right?
Kobe won 2 Finals MVPs - true, right?
Kobe dominated 2008 Western Conference Playoffs, 2009 WCF, 2009 Finals, 2010 WCF - true, right?

bruh Shaq> Kobe

[ImKobe]

bruh Shaq> Kobe

So you agree with the facts that I posted.

Kobe 5 > Shaq 4

Kobe is in the tier of MJ, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Russell

Shaq is in that Duncan, Lebron, Wilt, Hakeem tier.

[red1]

So you agree with the facts that I posted.

Kobe 5 > Shaq 4

Kobe is in the tier of MJ, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Russell

Shaq is in that Duncan, Lebron, Wilt, Hakeem tier.
:roll:

[KyleKong]

So you agree with the facts that I posted.

Kobe 5 > Shaq 4

Kobe is in the tier of MJ, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Russell

Shaq is in that Duncan, Lebron, Wilt, Hakeem tier.

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/wtf/grand/wow_wow_wow_gif.gif

[Anaximandro1]

the world turned upside down ... revisionist bullshit at its finest.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g-1MzXgHjLc/U1VwJV87KRI/AAAAAAAACwo/72klEi3DTRs/s1600/10.jpg

[gts]

He said the same with Rick Fox, so there goes that.What? a person isn't allowed to be right more than once?

[ImKobe]

the world turned upside down ... revisionist bullshit at its finest.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-g-1MzXgHjLc/U1VwJV87KRI/AAAAAAAACwo/72klEi3DTRs/s1600/10.jpg

Lakers don't make the Finals in 2000 & 2002 if Kobe isn't there, period.

[9erempiree]

If Kobe never had Shaq, he would be a 2 ring 2 FMVP player, and probably never would have been considered better than Duncan at all.

Only on ISH where that is a bad thing.

I think Kobe would be ranked higher if you took away his 3 rings with Shaq.

If Hakeem is ranked so highly, Kobe would tear the roof.

[9erempiree]

An underrated part of Kobe's game, nobody in NBA history was better at getting the most out of a big man while also getting his as Kobe was. Kobe + an elite big man, with scrubs to fill out the roster is a contender on any era.

Just shows more how much of a bitch Dwight Howard was

Good post.

[PickernRoller]

Shaq was too dominant for anyone to say that he wouldn't have won anything without Kobe.

Yes I agree. Charles just salty he's ringless.

[CelticBaller]

At his peak yeah. Kobe is better alltime
Obviously hes better than KD so far why even bring him up:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
:applause: :facepalm

[T_L_P]

So you agree with the facts that I posted.

Kobe 5 > Shaq 4

Kobe is in the tier of MJ, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Russell

Shaq is in that Duncan, Lebron, Wilt, Hakeem tier.

Duncan and Shaq 4 > Bird 3 though, surely?

[bdreason]

Kobe was replaceable by a handful of players at the time. Only one player could have replaced Shaq at the time, and I'm not sure Duncan would have won a championship with that particular roster.

[SpecialQue]

Kobe was replaceable by a handful of players at the time. Only one player could have replaced Shaq at the time, and I'm not sure Duncan would have won a championship with that particular roster.

How about Penny? He'd win it all with him, right?

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe was replaceable by a handful of players at the time. Only one player could have replaced Shaq at the time, and I'm not sure Duncan would have won a championship with that particular roster.


Replaced Shaq with Kwame Brown and nearly beat the #1 ranked Suns.

Replaced Shaq with a soft Euro=3 straight Finals.


Give Kobe Jamal McGluire or Samual Dalembart instead of Shaq ..Kobe still winning Titles.

[SilkkTheShocker]

LeBron James is better than either of them

[9erempiree]

I think what people are forgetting here is that Kobe is much like MJ. He doesn't really need a great center. Give him some decent bigs and he is good to go.

MJ had the luxury of 3 7footers, Perdue, Longley and Wennington all on the same team. Not saying they are better than Shaq but when you can have all 3 at your disposal. Those 3 are equal to Shaq. With the help of Pippen and those 3....It is the same as Kobe/Shaq and Kobe/Pau.

[PickernRoller]

Replaced Shaq with Kwame Brown and nearly beat the #1 ranked Suns.

Replaced Shaq with a soft Euro=3 straight Finals.


Give Kobe Jamal McGluire or Samual Dalembart instead of Shaq ..Kobe still winning Titles.

Logic and facts are forbidden on ISH...

[Big#50]

I think what people are forgetting here is that Kobe is much like MJ. He doesn't really need a great center. Give him some decent bigs and he is good to go.

MJ had the luxury of 3 7footers, Perdue, Longley and Wennington all on the same team. Not saying they are better than Shaq but when you can have all 3 at your disposal. Those 3 are equal to Shaq. With the help of Pippen and those 3....It is the same as Kobe/Shaq and Kobe/Pau.
I giggled.

[dude77]

so barkley said this lol .. barkley's a cool guy but he's a fkn idiot if he said this .. no chuck, that's not the 'only difference' .. mj was an assassin .. lebron is a bitch next to jordan


I do think he can be better than Michael," Barkley said. "I thought I would never compare somebody to Michael Jordan. But this guy, LeBron James, he does everything well. Michael did everything well. LeBron James is just bigger, stronger, faster. That's the only difference."

[sbw19]

Shaq and Kobe were called a one-two punch for a reason. That said Shaq's got absolutely nothing to be insecure about, 3 straight FMVPs averaging 29/13/4/3 during the 3peat, his jersey already retired and his in rank as a giant among giants in Laker lore secure. He got LA 3 titles and helped Miami win its first title. Pretty good resume for the big fella.

And just for laughs..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItNMDRQIzRE

[K Xerxes]

MJ had the luxury of 3 7footers, Perdue, Longley and Wennington all on the same team. Those 3 are equal to Shaq.

This guy :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

I think what people are forgetting here is that Kobe is much like MJ. He doesn't really need a great center. Give him some decent bigs and he is good to go.

MJ had the luxury of 3 7footers, Perdue, Longley and Wennington all on the same team. Not saying they are better than Shaq but when you can have all 3 at your disposal. Those 3 are equal to Shaq. With the help of Pippen and those 3....It is the same as Kobe/Shaq and Kobe/Pau.

http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-04-21/1240266540309.jpg

[Smoke117]

I think what people are forgetting here is that Kobe is much like MJ. He doesn't really need a great center. Give him some decent bigs and he is good to go.

MJ had the luxury of 3 7footers, Perdue, Longley and Wennington all on the same team. Not saying they are better than Shaq but when you can have all 3 at your disposal. Those 3 are equal to Shaq. With the help of Pippen and those 3....It is the same as Kobe/Shaq and Kobe/Pau.

I have to admit this actually made me chuckle. Feeling that playoff vibe? Upping your game for the playoffs? Usually your trolling is weak as shit.

[ILLsmak]

:confusedshrug:

shaq had no answer

Charles must be cracking. lol he's gone to trollin'. It's amusing to watch them go at it on that show. Especially cuz they sit them on opposite sides. And they both do shit that is embarrassing. Shaq falling down, Charles falling asleep on air.

-Smak

[ILLsmak]

This guy :roll:

haha, those dudes weren't even there when he was winning, were they? I thought they traded for Rodman when they won their 2nd and I don't think those guys were all there for the first... or were they...?

-Smak

[Rocketswin2013]

2000 NBA finals:

Shaq: 38-17 on 61%

Kobe: 16-5-4 on 37%
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