T or F - kobes greatest gift is as a facilitator

[clutchinho]

Discuss. To me the reason he's arguably a top 5 GOAT was his unmatched ability to get the most out of his bigs while also getting his. That is majorly overlooked and an absolute unique skill.

If Kobe wasn't such a great scorer, then he'd be the greatest pippen that ever played the game

[Im Still Ballin]

Kobe's greatest gift is as a rapist.

The dude straight up FORCES the penetration on the defense !

[Smook A.]

False

His greatest gift is his offensive ability

[Mr. Jabbar]

kobe is madly underrated on this forum thanks to underaged trolls who spend 20 hours a day typing bs here. kobe easily top 7 at worst

[AnaheimLakers24]

hes top 3 because hes just better than anyonee on those fabricated lists

especially anyone on those lists from the 60s

[IncarceratedBob]

He owns a lot more scoring records, 81 pts etc so its hard to say his offensive game overall isn't his greatest "gift"

[AnaheimLakers24]

also yes. kobe mastered the art of feeding career loser bigs. he knows how utilize his teams like a chess player

[Bandito]

It is but he dont use it:(

[Heavincent]

Kobe wasn't obsessed with padding his assist totals. Instead of spamming pick n roll or driving and kicking, he gave it to his bigs down low and let them to their thing.

So unselfish :applause:

[clutchinho]

also yes. kobe mastered the art of feeding career loser bigs. he knows how utilize his teams like a chess player
:applause: He has truly mastered basketball at a level where low iq fans just can't comprehend

Dwight Howard is a lost cause , not even Kobe could salvage his career

[K Xerxes]

The Kobe assist

[clutchinho]

Kobe wasn't obsessed with padding his assist totals. Instead of spamming pick n roll or driving and kicking, he gave it to his bigs down low and let them to their thing.

So unselfish :applause:

Having said that, the Kobe gasol p&r in their primes was unstoppable when they chose to use it.

Also the master of choosing to shoot when his bigs had inside rebounding position aka the Kobe assist, with no regard for his personal shooting percentage.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Just look at Paus stats from 08 the time he was with Memphis vs LA that year

His FG % sky rocketed.

[IGOTGAME]

That is what people don't get about Kobe. He can get his in so many ways that he doesnt need plays drawn up for him or the offense set around him. He just lets the other players do what maximizes their talent and Kobe can fill in the rest on offense.

[ImKobe]

Kobe's one of the most gifted passers in NBA History.

He played point guard after ASB last season and they had the 2nd or 3rd best record in the Western Conference post-ASB, he averaged 28.5 ppg 6.1 rpg 7 apg on 46% shooting in those games.

[ImKobe]

Having said that, the Kobe gasol p&r in their primes was unstoppable when they chose to use it.

Also the master of choosing to shoot when his bigs had inside rebounding position aka the Kobe assist, with no regard for his personal shooting percentage.

The best one is him going up for a shot and just throwing it in Pau's hands while he's in the air, always fooled the defenses with that move.

[Heavincent]

Kobe's one of the most gifted passers in NBA History.

He played point guard after ASB last season and they had the 2nd or 3rd best record in the Western Conference post-ASB, he averaged 28.5 ppg 6.1 rpg 7 apg on 46% shooting in those games.

Kobe has played the role of PG for most of his career.

[IMObjective]

Yes, great points from everybody. Both shaq and pau had their peak career numbers while with kobe. Could be luck, could be at least partly kobe.

[SexSymbol]

Yes, great points from everybody. Both shaq and pau had their peak career numbers while with kobe. Could be luck, could be at least partly kobe.
kwame odom mihm too.

[ImKobe]

Kobe has played the role of PG for most of his career.

It was different in Phil's system.

[clutchinho]

kwame odom mihm too.

And Bynum too, Made him an elite big man under his guidance until injuries destroyed him

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Yes, great points from everybody. Both shaq and pau had their peak career numbers while with kobe. Could be luck, could be at least partly kobe.
maybe, just maybe, its because they also played for coach Jax who got the best out of them and were at their absolute peak when they played with him.
but im sure it was Kobes unselfish passing:oldlol: :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

maybe, just maybe, its because they also played for coach Jax who got the best out of them and were at their absolute peak when they played with him.
but im sure it was Kobes unselfish passing:oldlol: :oldlol:

You don't get to put up the number of points per game Shaq & Pau did if Kobe didn't pass. Averaged 30 ppg & 5.9 apg for an entire season while playing next to Shaq, you mad?

[Eric Cartman]

Kobe showed last season that he could get you 12 to 13 assists if he really focused on his passing.

[tmacattack33]

This is the dumbest sh*t i've ever heard.

He was able to have those 12 assist games last year by consciously going out there looking for assists and turning down shots.

He just never had the vision to play naturally and get 25 points + 10 assists or so.

[clutchinho]

This is the dumbest sh*t i've ever heard.

He was able to have those 12 assist games last year by consciously going out there looking for assists and turning down shots.

He just never had the vision to play naturally and get 25 points + 10 assists or so.

Yet they still had one of the best records in the league once Kobe turned into full facilitator mode

A 34 year old Kobe with that much mileage in him is not going to be anything resembling a full time point guard in a young mans league. The fact he did a decent job at it out of necessity with all the injuries and willed his team to the playoffs just showed how great he is.

[ImKobe]

This is the dumbest sh*t i've ever heard.

He was able to have those 12 assist games last year by consciously going out there looking for assists and turning down shots.

He just never had the vision to play naturally and get 25 points + 10 assists or so.

He had the vision. If he could put up 30 & 6 a game for a season, he sure as hell could have passed up a few shots & put up 25 & 8 if he wasn't so trigger-happy.

[Heavincent]

He just never had the vision to play naturally and get 25 points + 7 assists or so.

That's a ****ing joke :oldlol:

Kobe has had MANY 25/7 games. Hell, that's right near his damn career averages. How about his 49/10 game against Denver in the playoffs? Or averaging 34/8 in the 2010 WCF? Also averaged 32/7 in the 09 Finals, 33/7 against the Jazz in 08, etc, etc.

Kobe had absolutely no problems racking up 7+ assists while still getting his points.

[IMObjective]

maybe, just maybe, its because they also played for coach Jax who got the best out of them and were at their absolute peak when they played with him.
but im sure it was Kobes unselfish passing:oldlol: :oldlol:sure, phil played his part


This is the dumbest sh*t i've ever heard.are you sure this is the dumbest shit you've ever heard, let alone the dumbest on ish?

[J Shuttlesworth]

I dunno about this... Kobe's mainly a scorer. His greatest gift is creating his own shot. He's a 25/5/5 career guy in the playoffs and the season. LeBron has been able to average 28/8.7/6.7 in the playoffs so it's not like Kobe was scoring too much to be able to get higher assist numbers. He is a good facilitator, but it's definitely not his greatest gift

[clutchinho]

I dunno about this... Kobe's mainly a scorer. His greatest gift is creating his own shot. He's a 25/5/5 career guy in the playoffs and the season. LeBron has been able to average 28/8.7/6.7 in the playoffs so it's not like Kobe was scoring too much to be able to get higher assist numbers. He is a good facilitator, but it's definitely not his greatest gift

That's some lebron23 level analysis right there

[Prometheus]

Okay, okay, okay, Kobe's ball-hogging and selfishness can be exaggerated sometimes...

But he's still on the selfish side, and still kind of a ball hog.

2004 Finals.

Stupid thread.

[Jlamb47]

No- Kobe greatest gift is craeting his own shot.
He is a great overall player but scoring is his best thing.
but Kobe is very underrated on passing except for maybe 2012 when everyone saw him diming his team up. IMO he could be 20-10 guy if he wanted too

[PickernRoller]

kobe is madly underrated on this forum thanks to underaged trolls who spend 20 hours a day typing bs here. kobe easily top 7 at worst

I always battle between 4-6 on my all-time list. His greatest gift is his offensive game. He was indeed a great facilitator during the Shaq years 00-2004 and the Gasol years 08-2010.