complete list of 50 win playoff teams Kobe and Lebron have beatin in the playoffs

[kennethgriffin]

Why Kobe is better than Lebron = Competition

Kobe Bryant playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
1999-00 NBA Champions
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26
2000-01 NBA Champions
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30
2001-02 NBA Champions
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24
2003-04 NBA Finals
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26
2007-08 NBA Finals
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23
2008-09 NBA Champions
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32
2009-10 NBA Champions


total = 24 playoff series victories, 5 championships, 7 finals



Lebron playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

2006-07 Detroit Pistons Record: 53-29
2006-07 NBA Finals
2010-11 Boston Celtics Record: 56-26
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2010-11 NBA Finals
2011-12 NBA Champions
2012-13 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2012-13 NBA Champions

total = 4 playoff series victories, 2 championships, 4 finals

Lebron plays in the EAST ( where the 5th best team has a losing record ) Kobe plays in the WEST ( where 50 win teams miss the playoffs )


and i dont wanna hear about "lebron played a lockout year..." .. Kobe played in 2 of them

[Milbuck]

No good can come of this thread kenneth.

[DMAVS41]

there is no denying how much easier Lebron has had it in terms of competition in the playoffs.

The Cavs stuff doesn't mean much to me as his help was such shit compared to Kobe's, but this Heat run over the last 4 years now has been a ****ing cakewalk.

It's why I think if they don't win it all this year...the 4 years overall will actually be closer to a failure than a success.



This is why context is so ****ing important on this crap. My team is currently playing the best team in the league...as a result of winning 50 games in one of the best and deepest conferences ever. Yet the ****ing Hawks...who can't even break 40 in a joke conference...get a team that isn't even one of the 10 best in the league in round 1.

It's a joke...and they need to fix it. It's stupid having some of the best teams all playing each other early in the playoffs. Just seed it properly...the ****ing East teams already get a big enough advantage as they play their shit conference an extra 22 games per season.

[#number6ix#]

The other teams should' ve. Played better

[Jameerthefear]

Lebron>>>Kobe
Next.

[kennethgriffin]

kobes beat 4 teams in just one year...........2 separate times...

lebrons entire career = 1 year for kobe


when you really look at it... if 4 teams = 2 titles playing in the east..

then kobes 23 teams would translate into 11.5 rings if kobe played in the east his whole life

[Uncle Drew]

He has a point. Imagine if, this year, Atlanta actually upsets the Pacers.... Miami's 2nd unit could go all the way.

[DMAVS41]

kobes beat 4 teams in just one year...........2 separate times...

lebrons entire career = 1 year for kobe


when you really look at it... if 4 teams = 2 titles playing in the east..

then kobes 23 teams would translate into 11.5 rings if kobe played in the east his whole life


Don't ruin the OP.

You, for a change, actually contributed something to ISH.

Don't ruin it...please.

We can have a good discussion potentially here if you don't derail it with some BS about Kobe now having 11.5 rings...

[DMAVS41]

He has a point. Imagine if, this year, Atlanta actually upsets the Pacers.... Miami's 2nd unit could go all the way.

The Mavs and Grizzlies would be the 2nd best teams in the East right now. Shit, the Suns might be better than anyone other than the Heat right now as well.

It's just stupid...and it's been going on for like 15 years. The 02 and 03 East was a joke.

There were 3 teams in those two years that won over 50. Pistons twice and Nets once.

Complete joke.

[Trollsmasher]

Regular season is irrelevant when it comes to evaluating teams.

[Rodmantheman]

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[DMAVS41]

Regular season is irrelevant when it comes to evaluating teams.

Can be, but never completely.

The sick thing is...those win totals are inflated to begin with by playing an extra 22 games a year in the shitty conference.

It's not just the records. The teams in the East have routinely sucked outside the top 1 or 2 each year for like 15 or so years now.

[kennethgriffin]

so we as an ISH society have now turned into judging players based on 1 highlight of a post achilles injury after missing half a year and tripping

lol i could find a funny clip of literally any person in recorded history.

only difference is that theres 5000 funny gifs/videos of lebron... kobe doesnt come close to the comedic failure of le king flopness sir travel

[Black and White]

Jameer showed up, thread ruined.

[Rubio2Gasol]

...

Time to end this East West nonsense. Elon Musk needs to get to work on that super rail, because this is disgusting. Phonenix would beat every 7/8 teams in the East :lol:

[TheReal Kendall]

Fvck Kobe bruh! There's so many other things to talk about than some washed up cripple rapist that's not even in the playoffs.

Get a life bruh

[jstern]

there is no denying how much easier Lebron has had it in terms of competition in the playoffs.

The Cavs stuff doesn't mean much to me as his help was such shit compared to Kobe's, but this Heat run over the last 4 years now has been a ****ing cakewalk.

It's why I think if they don't win it all this year...the 4 years overall will actually be closer to a failure than a success.



This is why context is so ****ing important on this crap. My team is currently playing the best team in the league...as a result of winning 50 games in one of the best and deepest conferences ever. Yet the ****ing Hawks...who can't even break 40 in a joke conference...get a team that isn't even one of the 10 best in the league in round 1.

It's a joke...and they need to fix it. It's stupid having some of the best teams all playing each other early in the playoffs. Just seed it properly...the ****ing East teams already get a big enough advantage as they play their shit conference an extra 22 games per season.

But isn't it all relative?

Shittier conference, shittier teammates will equal the same difficulty as better team in a better conference. The only difference in difficulty is that the team in the shittier conference is going to have it harder once they face of the best team in the superior conference.

[kennethgriffin]

it actually is quite amazing kobes made it to 7 finals

doing that as a western team is like making 21 finals in the east... considering the 3-1 odds of facing a good team before the finals

its literally a times 3

[kennethgriffin]

But isn't all relative?

Shittier conference, shittier teammates will equal the same difficulty as better team in a better conference. The only difference in difficulty is that the team in the shittier conference is going to have it harder once they face of the best team in the superior conference.


only problem is the best team in the east has 4 future hall of famers

[AnaheimLakers24]

Fvck Kobe bruh! There's so many other things to talk about than some washed up cripple rapist that's not even in the playoffs.

Get a life bruh
can we talk about your whore mom who jameerthequeer hits raw every weekend?

no? than stfu loser ass whiny bitch

[TheReal Kendall]

can we talk about your whore mom who jameerthequeer hits raw every weekend?

no? than stfu loser ass whiny bitch

How's he a queer if he getting puss?

Take Kenneth's dick out your mouth bruh

[DMAVS41]

But isn't it all relative?

Shittier conference, shittier teammates will equal the same difficulty as better team in a better conference. The only difference in difficulty is that the team in the shittier conference is going to have it harder once they face of the best team in the superior conference.

On the Cavs? Sure...I even said that.

But Lebron on the Heat? Hell no...he's on the clear cut best team of the league since 2011 to present...and he's played very easy competition...at least last year and this year he will have.

And it's more than just the playoffs. It's all year getting to play 22 more games against these bad teams.

At least in 2011 the conference was good. They had the Bulls and Celtics...but look...Lebron broke down in the finals. Could having to actually play a tough road to get to the finals actually impact the finals results? In my opinion...absolutely. Take 12 though...Bosh gets hurt...could the Heat have survived against the Spurs or even the Thunder with Bosh playing only 3 games in a series...playing limited minutes when he did play? It's things like that..they are huge. I just don't see how they win the title in 12 if they played in the West with Bosh basically missing the conference finals.

It's one thing to have a worse team like Lebron did on the Cavs, but now he has one of, if not the best, teams in the league and he's going to get yet another free pas to the finals. Probably won't have to play a 50 win again...and if he does...it will be a slumping Pacers team unless something happens.

That is just so beneficial.

Again, the Mavericks would be making the conference finals most likely. The Grizzlies would for sure imo. The Suns would have a great chance as well.

These teams, in the West, might only win 2 playoff games combined between them.

It's a joke the disparity has gotten this large...

[LoneyROY7]

OP is a huge pha**ot, but...

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2183379/kobereturns.gif

http://31.media.tumblr.com/fb7cda7af67162ff51b05829f44301f8/tumblr_n14euzsAHI1qcmnsoo2_400.gif

C'mon, boys.

[jstern]

only problem is the best team in the east has 4 future hall of famers

I was mostly referring to the Cavs days since it's about the whole career of Lebron.

[ArbitraryWater]

OP is a huge pha**ot, but...

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2183379/kobereturns.gif

http://31.media.tumblr.com/fb7cda7af67162ff51b05829f44301f8/tumblr_n14euzsAHI1qcmnsoo2_400.gif

C'mon, boys.

With the new avatar I have a totally new image of you... great poster :bowdown:

(With the old avy=retard)

[LoneyROY7]

With the new avatar I have a totally new image of you... great poster :bowdown:

:pimp:

lol nice edit. I've changed my ways.

[ArbitraryWater]

:pimp:

lol nice edit. I've changed my ways.

I still cant believe how mad pauk was for those blocks :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

the lion story bwahhaha


Kobe got lebron mad shook

[LoneyROY7]

I still cant believe how mad pauk was for those blocks :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

the lion story bwahhaha


Kobe got lebron mad shook

Pauk's been in hibernation lately...dude's probably been clenching his teeth all year with Durant's come up. :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Pauk's been in hibernation lately...dude's probably been clenching his teeth all year with Durant's come up. :lol

hibernation :oldlol:

Nobody writes better essays when pissed than pauk, wont get the chance this year though because #3peat :pimp: :D

Hey I'd love a finals against the Clips!

[LoneyROY7]

hibernation :oldlol:

Nobody writes better essays when pissed than pauk, wont get the chance this year though because #3peat :pimp: :D

Hey I'd love a finals against the Clips!

Heat vs Clippers Finals would be EPIC. :bowdown:

It would be extra dope because I go to school at University of Miami right now and I MIGHT be able to find my way to a Finals game courtesy of one of my buddies.

[jzek]

Kobe had Shaq though in the early years. It's not a fair comparison because one guy had the most dominant player at one point as his teammate whereas the other guy had Mo Williams.

[LoneyROY7]

Kobe had Shaq though in the early years. It's not a fair comparison because one guy had the most dominant player at one point as his teammate whereas the other guy had Mo Williams.

Barkley to Shaq - "If it wasn't for Kobe Bryant you wouldn't have anything."

:lol

[DMAVS41]

Kobe had Shaq though in the early years. It's not a fair comparison because one guy had the most dominant player at one point as his teammate whereas the other guy had Mo Williams.

Yea, but Lebron has had quality teams in Miami.

And last year he beat 1 50 win team overall...the Spurs.

And this year he's likely to only face 1 again.

And it's not just the wins...these teams in the East last year and this year are just no good.

The 02 Kings, for example, are about twice as good as any team Lebron and the Heat have faced in the East to date.

[ArbitraryWater]

Heat vs Clippers Finals would be EPIC. :bowdown:

It would be extra dope because I go to school at University of Miami right now and I MIGHT be able to find my way to a Finals game courtesy of one of my buddies.

I'll hope for the best and good luck with that :cheers:

[DMAVS41]

Still, the point stands.

Kobe's had quality every year besides 05-07, LeBron's had quality since 2011...

Why much weight does this hold if you arent even the teams best player and someone else is the main reason youre beating these teams?


I said early on...I'm not going to argue the Shaq Lakers vs Lebron Cavs...I don't care much about that.

I also don't care much about Kobe in this case.

I think we should all point out and acknowledge the huge benefit from playing in the East both in the regular season and playoffs.

Do you dispute that from 2011 to present?

[russwest0]

Why Kobe is better than Lebron = Competition

Kobe Bryant playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
1999-00 NBA Champions
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26
2000-01 NBA Champions
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30
2001-02 NBA Champions
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24
2003-04 NBA Finals
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26
2007-08 NBA Finals
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23
2008-09 NBA Champions
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32
2009-10 NBA Champions


total = 23 playoff series victories, 5 championships, 7 finals



Lebron playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

2006-07 Detroit Pistons Record: 53-29
2006-07 NBA Finals
2010-11 Boston Celtics Record: 56-26
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2010-11 NBA Finals
2011-12 NBA Champions
2012-13 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2012-13 NBA Champions

total = 4 playoff series victories, 2 championships, 4 finals

Lebron plays in the EAST ( where the 5th best team has a losing record ) Kobe plays in the WEST ( where 50 win teams miss the playoffs )


and i dont wanna hear about "lebron played a lockout year..." .. Kobe played in 2 of them

Lmao wow, I knew there'd be a big difference but I didn't think it'd be THAT big.

[Eric Cartman]

That Magic team that got to the finals was a 59 win team.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I find it amazing their are people that still hold out hope Kobe was ever better than LeBron :oldlol:

[Solefade]

there is no denying how much easier Lebron has had it in terms of competition in the playoffs.

The Cavs stuff doesn't mean much to me as his help was such shit compared to Kobe's, but this Heat run over the last 4 years now has been a ****ing cakewalk.

It's why I think if they don't win it all this year...the 4 years overall will actually be closer to a failure than a success.



This is why context is so ****ing important on this crap. My team is currently playing the best team in the league...as a result of winning 50 games in one of the best and deepest conferences ever. Yet the ****ing Hawks...who can't even break 40 in a joke conference...get a team that isn't even one of the 10 best in the league in round 1.

It's a joke...and they need to fix it. It's stupid having some of the best teams all playing each other early in the playoffs. Just seed it properly...the ****ing East teams already get a big enough advantage as they play their shit conference an extra 22 games per season.


it'd be a cakewalk if wade and bosh were healthy but the matter of fact is the years the Heat won-- lebron had to pull out herculean effort performances for the Heat to win. That's not exactly a cake walk no matter how "weak" you think the competition is compared to before

[kennethgriffin]

Lmao wow, I knew there'd be a big difference but I didn't think it'd be THAT big.


ive said it before. not all rings are created equally..

people think lebron will pass kobe with 1 more ring.. so he beats 5 good teams to get 3 rings... thinking thats the same as beating 23 to get 5

i wish i could take this list and shove it down bill simmons throat ...

[kennethgriffin]

That Magic team that got to the finals was a 59 win team.


and kobe nearly swept them

a team that destroyed lebron

i swear if lebron never ring chases.. his career would be a failure right now


thats the difference between kobe and lebron... kobe runs talent out of town so he can win on his own and get more respect... lebron himself runs out of town so he can win with other legends and get less respect

[Nikola_]

:biggums:

wow, just wow

[Solefade]

and kobe nearly swept them

a team that destroyed lebron

i swear if lebron never ring chases.. hes still at zero rings.


thats the difference between kobe and lebron... kobe runs talent out of town so he can win on his own and get more respect... lebron himself runs out of town so he can win with other legends and get less respect


pretty sure a missed point blank lay up by courtney lee and derek fisher saved kobe in that series

[kennethgriffin]

pretty sure a missed point blank lay up by courtney lee and derek fisher saved kobe in that series


are you stupid? that was like the only competitve game the magic had in any of the 4 losses... the series went 4-1

no challenge

[DonDadda59]

While I applaud the OP's efforts in actually contributing something worthwhile to the board for once, I have 2 issues with this.

1) 50 wins is such a random cut off. Is there really that big a difference between a 50 win team and a 47-49 win team? 3 of the teams you listed for Kobe just barely made the cut. If they had lost 1 more game in their respective seasons would that make them bad teams?

2) How about showing how the players performed in said series? Kind of moronic to give credit to Bean for beating the Sonics in '98 when he averaged 3.7 PPG/ 0.7 RPG/ 0 APG (He was an all star that season btw).

[ArbitraryWater]

I said early on...I'm not going to argue the Shaq Lakers vs Lebron Cavs...I don't care much about that.

I also don't care much about Kobe in this case.

I think we should all point out and acknowledge the huge benefit from playing in the East both in the regular season and playoffs.

Do you dispute that from 2011 to present?

Yea, I think the East was great both 2011 and 2012... last year the Pacers were left, now its a free ride to the finals..

none the less, even lebron dealed with teammates having injuries such as bosh/wade

[kennethgriffin]

While I applaud the OP's efforts in actually contributing something worthwhile to the board for once, I have 2 issues with this.

1) 50 wins is such a random cut off. Is there really that big a difference between a 50 win team and a 47-49 win team? 3 of the teams you listed for Kobe just barely made the cut. If they had lost 1 more game in their respective seasons would that make them bad teams?

2) How about showing how the players performed in said series? Kind of moronic to give credit to Bean for beating the Sonics in '98 when he averaged 3.7 PPG/ 0.7 RPG/ 0 APG (He was an all star that season btw).


its not a random cut off... its practically the minimum wins a team needs to make the finals or have a player in contention for the mvp award.

[kennethgriffin]

lebron with 49 points though

:bowdown:

[stalkerforlife]

Why Kobe is better than Lebron = Competition

Kobe Bryant playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
1999-00 NBA Champions
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26
2000-01 NBA Champions
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30
2001-02 NBA Champions
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24
2003-04 NBA Finals
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26
2007-08 NBA Finals
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23
2008-09 NBA Champions
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32
2009-10 NBA Champions


total = 23 playoff series victories, 5 championships, 7 finals



Lebron playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

2006-07 Detroit Pistons Record: 53-29
2006-07 NBA Finals
2010-11 Boston Celtics Record: 56-26
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2010-11 NBA Finals
2011-12 NBA Champions
2012-13 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2012-13 NBA Champions

total = 4 playoff series victories, 2 championships, 4 finals

Lebron plays in the EAST ( where the 5th best team has a losing record ) Kobe plays in the WEST ( where 50 win teams miss the playoffs )


and i dont wanna hear about "lebron played a lockout year..." .. Kobe played in 2 of them

Powerful, powerful post. :applause:

WOW.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Add the 2014 Brooklyn Nets.

Oh wait :oldlol:

[riseagainst]

holy sh1t. Kobe's beaten alot of 50 win teams in the playoffs.

:bowdown:

[rlsmooth775]

The ones with Shaq don't count

[Pursuer]

2009 Denver Nuggets were 54-28

[francesco totti]

Regular season is irrelevant when it comes to evaluating teams.

True.


He has a point. Imagine if, this year, Atlanta actually upsets the Pacers.... Miami's 2nd unit could go all the way.

This supports the above point, atlanta ( 40 win team) beating a 50 + win team.


The Mavs and Grizzlies would be the 2nd best teams in the East right now. Shit, the Suns might be better than anyone other than the Heat right now as well.

Grizzlies maybe, Mavs no.

[Deuce Bigalow]

2009 Denver Nuggets were 54-28
Damn so it's 24 to 4.

[Droid101]

Trollsmasher is a piece of shit.

Regular season point differential is pretty much the only good predictor of playoff success.

[dc_chilling]

While I applaud the OP's efforts in actually contributing something worthwhile to the board for once, I have 2 issues with this.

1) 50 wins is such a random cut off. Is there really that big a difference between a 50 win team and a 47-49 win team? 3 of the teams you listed for Kobe just barely made the cut. If they had lost 1 more game in their respective seasons would that make them bad teams?

2) How about showing how the players performed in said series? Kind of moronic to give credit to Bean for beating the Sonics in '98 when he averaged 3.7 PPG/ 0.7 RPG/ 0 APG (He was an all star that season btw).

Great post.

I'm glad that this thread has actually generated an intelligent discussion (for the most part).

I'd also like to add that while Kobe has without a doubt played in a tougher conference, he has had the benefit of playing on some of the most stacked teams in history. There is no comparison between his Lakers team with Shaq and the current Heat. Shaq alone is worth more than Wade and Bosh combined at this point in their respective careers.

That isn't to bash Kobe, it is just the reality of the situation.

Plus, can you really blame Lebron for winning in the East? He plays whoever they put in front of him. At the end of the road, the best team in the West is standing, and in the last two years, he beat those teams.

[sportjames23]

and kobe nearly swept them

a team that destroyed lebron

i swear if lebron never ring chases.. his career would be a failure right now


thats the difference between kobe and lebron... kobe runs talent out of town so he can win on his own and get more respect... lebron himself runs out of town so he can win with other legends and get less respect


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[SexSymbol]

Great post.

I'm glad that this thread has actually generated an intelligent discussion (for the most part).

I'd also like to add that while Kobe has without a doubt played in a tougher conference, he has had the benefit of playing on some of the most stacked teams in history. There is no comparison between his Lakers team with Shaq and the current Heat. Shaq alone is worth more than Wade and Bosh combined at this point in their respective careers.

That isn't to bash Kobe, it is just the reality of the situation.

Plus, can you really blame Lebron for winning in the East? He plays whoever they put in front of him. At the end of the road, the best team in the West is standing, and in the last two years, he beat those teams.

Come on, man, really?
Besides Shaq and Kobe who was at least serviceable on that team? Nobody.

Pau Gasol at least had Odom, who was extremely inconsistent.

I think Kobe is not as great as some other all-time greats while playing with a lot of talent on the team (04/13).
Kobe needs to have average teams to succeed.
He even took the greatest scrub team ever to 45+ wins and was a top of western conference with it before they got Pau.

[dc_chilling]

OP, I noticed that you didn't include the lockout seasons true win loss records. In 2011-2012, Indiana was the equivalent of a 52 win team based on their win percentage. OKC was a 57 win team.

So Lebron really has 6 wins against 50+ win teams assuming the rest of your information is correct.

Let's look how that compares to MJ at the same point in his career as LBJ is now (at the same age, through the first round of his first three peat):

88-89: Beat Cavs(57-25), Knicks(52-30)

89-90: Beat 76'ers(53-29)

90-91: Beat Pistons (50-32), Lakers (58-24)

91-92: Beat Knicks (51-31), Cavs (57-25), Blazers (57-25)


So MJ had 8 wins to Lebrons 6 at the same point in their career. I guess Kobe is much better than Jordan as well by your logic.:confusedshrug:

[SexSymbol]

OP, I noticed that you didn't include the lockout seasons true win loss records. In 2011-2012, Indiana was the equivalent of a 52 win team based on their win percentage. OKC was a 57 win team.

So Lebron really has 6 wins against 50+ win teams assuming the rest of your information is correct.

Let's look how that compares to MJ at the same point in his career as LBJ is now (at the same age, through the first round of his first three peat):

88-89: Beat Cavs(57-25), Knicks(52-30)

89-90: Beat 76'ers(53-29)

90-91: Beat Pistons (50-32), Lakers (58-24)

91-92: Beat Knicks (51-31), Cavs (57-25), Blazers (57-25)


So MJ had 8 wins to Lebrons 6 at the same point in their career. I guess Kobe is much better than Jordan as well by your logic.:confusedshrug:
Kobe also would have more as would Duncan and a few others because there was a lockout in 99 or 98 i can't recall correctly.
And the latter part of your post is also incorrect, as MJ came in the league at 21 years old and your information has MJ with 3 less seasons, so that is not the same point of their careers.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe also would have more as would Duncan and a few others because there was a lockout in 99 or 98 i can't recall correctly.
And the latter part of your post is also incorrect, as MJ came in the league at 21 years old and your information has MJ with 3 less seasons, so that is not the same point of their careers.
'93 would be included since that was MJ's 9th season. So add Cavs, Knicks, Suns making it 11 to 6.

Edit: '95 was MJ's 11th season as is Bran's right now and Bran already moved past the first round so if we add MJ's first round win in '95 over 50 win Charlotte, it's 12 to 6.

[dc_chilling]

Come on, man, really?
Besides Shaq and Kobe who was at least serviceable on that team? Nobody.

Pau Gasol at least had Odom, who was extremely inconsistent.

I think Kobe is not as great as some other all-time greats while playing with a lot of talent on the team (04/13).
Kobe needs to have average teams to succeed.
He even took the greatest scrub team ever to 45+ wins and was a top of western conference with it before they got Pau.

Well lets look by position:

PG: Fisher (prime), Van Exel (prime), Payton (old), Nash (old)
SG: Himself, Eddie Jones (prime)
SF: Butler (prime), Artest (prime), Ariza (prime), Fox (prime)
PF: Gasol (prime), Horry (prime), Odom (prime), Malone (old)
C: Shaq (prime), Dwight (prime), Bynum (prime)

That's pretty stacked.

[dc_chilling]

Kobe also would have more as would Duncan and a few others because there was a lockout in 99 or 98 i can't recall correctly.
And the latter part of your post is also incorrect, as MJ came in the league at 21 years old and your information has MJ with 3 less seasons, so that is not the same point of their careers.

Sorry, I meant age. Good point.

At the same age at the same point in the season.

I don't hold the fact that Lebron was good enough to play in the NBA so young against him.

[dc_chilling]

'93 would be included since that was MJ's 9th season. So add Cavs, Knicks, Suns making it 11 to 6.

Edit: '95 was MJ's 11th season as is Bran's right now and Bran already moved past the first round so if we add MJ's first round win in '95 over 50 win Charlotte, it's 12 to 6.

Again, I meant by age. I didn't do it by seasons because that would give MJ a three year advantage on Lebron.

There isn't really a good way to compare someone who entered the league out of hs with someone who played 3 years at a storied program under a legendary head coach.

If you go by seasons, you are comparing accomplishments at 32 with Lebron's at 29. Nothing wrong with that, but it gives Jordan a pretty big advantage. I just compare them from the same age that Jordan entered the league (21) going forward.

[CeilingFan#1]

This is 1 of 2 legit arguments that place Kobe over LeBron. Congrats OP, you did it! :rockon:

[iBandwagon]

Kobe has had more chances of beating 50 win teams. What is the percentage of wins against 50 win teams for each?

[MMM]

its not a random cut off... its practically the minimum wins a team needs to make the finals or have a player in contention for the mvp award.

Quite a few of those teams didn't actually have MVP level players nor were they among darkhorse contenders much less actual contenders. Lets put some of these 50 win teams in context especially the teams that consistently maxed out as 1st and 2nd round fodder.

Kobe and most multi championship winning player beat their opponents because of how stacked his teams were. Lakers consistently had or were one of the most talented teams in the league, yes Kobe is a big reason why for that same as LeBron and Miami, or MJ/Bulls, Magic/Lakers, Bird/Celtics, etc.

LeBron's heat relatively speaking aren't even as stacked as some of the above teams.

[MMM]

Come on, man, really?
Besides Shaq and Kobe who was at least serviceable on that team? Nobody.

Pau Gasol at least had Odom, who was extremely inconsistent.

I think Kobe is not as great as some other all-time greats while playing with a lot of talent on the team (04/13).
Kobe needs to have average teams to succeed.
He even took the greatest scrub team ever to 45+ wins and was a top of western conference with it before they got Pau.

Completely disagree
rewatch their games and notice how good their role players were. They had some interchangeable pieces but they seemed like they fit the smart role player mole.

Gasol and Odom are inconsistent but in 09, 10 they were part of the best frontcourt in basketball. The Lakers frontcourt is what gave them the advantage over every team in the league. Not saying that to belittle Kobe's impact but their length upfront gave a lot of teams problems matching up.

[MMM]

Why Kobe is better than Lebron = Competition

Kobe Bryant playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
1999-00 NBA Champions
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26
2000-01 NBA Champions
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30
2001-02 NBA Champions
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24
2003-04 NBA Finals
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26
2007-08 NBA Finals
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23
2008-09 NBA Champions
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32
2009-10 NBA Champions


I question half these teams as quality 50 win teams
those teams were never really contenders, had a few injured pieces, were paper tigers to some degree.

Even the Suns/Celtics in 10 weren't amazing teams. As a Celtics fan i have to admit that they were pretty damn mediocre for half that season. If it wasn't for an amazing stretch by Rondo/Bench in the middle of the 2nd round/ECF they don't even make the finals.

While that Suns team was as borderline as you can get to a quality 50 win team i found.

[MMM]

btw does anyone remember how dysfunctional the 00-01 Blazers were

or how the 09 Rockets didn't have T-Mac and lost Yao for that series

Am I really supposed to be impressed by beating the like of the
Melo Nuggs(perineal first round losers), the fact that they were in the WCF should tell you the west was a bit down that season.

The Jazz (were never real contenders in the west). Only time i remember them getting by the 1st round is by T-Mac. Wouldn't they always bow out quickly in the 2nd round. Can't remember them even taking a series beyond 5 games in the 2nd round.

The Setting Suns 2010 team was not close in quality to their mid to 07 teams.

[riseagainst]

great thread, OP.

:applause:

[KobeMagic]

good job OP.

:applause:

Kobe with that 20+ wins against 50 win teams.
:bowdown: :bowdown:

[IllegalD]

btw does anyone remember how dysfunctional the 00-01 Blazers were

or how the 09 Rockets didn't have T-Mac and lost Yao for that series

Am I really supposed to be impressed by beating the like of the
Melo Nuggs(perineal first round losers), the fact that they were in the WCF should tell you the west was a bit down that season.

The Jazz (were never real contenders in the west). Only time i remember them getting by the 1st round is by T-Mac. Wouldn't they always bow out quickly in the 2nd round. Can't remember them even taking a series beyond 5 games in the 2nd round.

The Setting Suns 2010 team was not close in quality to their mid to 07 teams.

This was all valid until I came to my senses and realized that LeBron plays in a historically sh*t Leastern Conference and lucked out with multiple all-stars on opposing teams being injured during his championship run (Rondo,*Rose, Westbrook, Jefferson, Kobe, etc.)

[KobeMagic]

This was all valid until I came to my senses and realized that LeBron plays in a historically sh*t Leastern Conference and lucked out with multiple all-stars on opposing teams being injured during his championship run (Rondo,*Rose, Westbrook, Jefferson, Kobe, etc.)

:lol
:applause:

[MMM]

This was all valid until I came to my senses and realized that LeBron plays in a historically sh*t Leastern Conference and lucked out with multiple all-stars on opposing teams being injured during his championship run (Rondo,*Rose, Westbrook, Jefferson, Kobe, etc.)

The Celtics weren't contenders the last two seasons anyway. There was no guarantee the Celtics would have played Miami either.

Bobcats and Lakers weren't contenders either.

Injuries did hurt Bron's chances at playing 50 win teams. 2012 would have played 60 win Bulls team in normal season if Rose doesn't get hurt.

If we really want to compare great players vs. Top completion than let's have some context. Beating 52 win Nets gets credit but 48 win pace Celtics doesn't???? How does that make sense????

[kennethgriffin]

2009 Denver Nuggets were 54-28


so many i guess i forgot one... thanks

:cheers:

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe > Lebron.

Not even questionable.

[plowking]

Bron beats another 50 win team. That is 8 now, considering the lockout season he beat two 50 win teams as well given win %.

We have to take away Kobe's Seattle win as well seeing as he didn't play half the series.

[Magic 32]

Bron beats another 50 win team. That is 8 now, considering the lockout season he beat two 50 win teams as well given win %.

We have to take away Kobe's Seattle win as well seeing as he didn't play half the series.

Rent free.

Lebron stans can't forget this stat.

They know the truth.

[plowking]

Rent free.

Lebron stans can't forget this stat.

They know the truth.

What are you talking about? Just bumping this because the list is updated. 22 to 8 now, and the gap will most likely continue to close.

I believe Jordan has around 19 or 20 wins against 50 win teams. If Bron beats the Hawks next, than he has already surpassed Kobe in wins against 60 win teams. :applause:

[Magic 32]

What are you talking about? Just bumping this because the list is updated. 22 to 8 now, and the gap will most likely continue to close.

I believe Jordan has around 19 or 20 wins against 50 win teams. If Bron beats the Hawks next, than he has already surpassed Kobe in wins against 60 win teams. :applause:

So he will beat the worst 50+ team ever and the worst 60+ team ever.

All in one run. :applause: :applause: :applause:

[plowking]

So he will beat the worst 50+ team ever and the worst 60+ team ever.

All in one run. :applause: :applause: :applause:

Why is there always excuses?

[Magic 32]

Why is there always excuses?

Not excuses.

Just reality.

As 2/6 will be next month.

[plowking]

Not excuses.

Just reality.

As is 2/6 next month.

You've made stupid comments like that before, and been proved horribly wrong. Bulls aren't close to the worst 50 win team ever. And there is no such thing as worst 60 win team. Dudes won 60 games. :oldlol:

So mad.

Bron>Kobe bro. Just learn to accept it. Just because you think otherwise, doesn't make reality change.

[Magic 32]

Just because you think otherwise, doesn't make reality change.

ditto.

Enjoy 33%

[plowking]

ditto.

Enjoy 33%

Why are you so attached to Kobe and Bron? I don't particularly care how Bron does, unlike you.

[Cold soul]

You've made stupid comments like that before, and been proved horribly wrong. Bulls aren't close to the worst 50 win team ever. And there is no such thing as worst 60 win team. Dudes won 60 games. :oldlol:

So mad.

Bron>Kobe bro. Just learn to accept it. Just because you think otherwise, doesn't make reality change.

This isn't true and not everyone thinks that. Kobe career is better than Lebron up to this point for now.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe living rent free in Lebald stans heads.

[r15mohd]

So he will beat the worst 50+ team ever and the worst 60+ team ever.

All in one run. :applause: :applause: :applause:

The Hawks are definitely not the worst over 50+...that belongs to the 2007-08 Nuggets

[HOoopCityJones]

The Hawks are definitely not the worst over 50+...that belongs to the 2007-08 Nuggets


:roll: You don't quit do you?

Bruh, you're delusional if you think any of those Teams were as bad as you try to make them out to be. In comparison to Bron's last three Playoff runs in the East? You're a fuccing joke my ni99a.

[BigBoss]

12 seasons and Lebron has only beat 5 playoff teams with a 50+ win record. Wow.

[r15mohd]

:roll: You don't quit do you?

Bruh, you're delusional if you think any of those Teams were as bad as you try to make them out to be. In comparison to Bron's last three Playoff runs in the East? You're a fuccing joke my ni99a.


The Nuggets had a good offense and atrocious defense...they allowed the most ppg, 2nd to last in the league IIRC. Nothing delusional to that.

[HOoopCityJones]

The Nuggets had a good offense and atrocious defense...they allowed the most ppg, 2nd to last in the league IIRC. Nothing delusional to that.

No no, I'm pretty sure you're delusional.

I repeat this fucc said The 08-10 Lakers had the best frontcourt since the 80's Celtics

You sir are a cuck.

[DonDadda59]

You've made stupid comments like that before, and been proved horribly wrong. Bulls aren't close to the worst 50 win team ever. And there is no such thing as worst 60 win team. Dudes won 60 games. :oldlol:

So mad.

Bron>Kobe bro. Just learn to accept it. Just because you think otherwise, doesn't make reality change.

I'll never figure out how. Tried watching a couple of Hawks games out of curiosity this season, then I saw Elton Brand and I was like 'Elton Brand is still alive? :wtf: '. Then like 2 minutes later 1990 Bobby Brown checked in

http://bilder.t-online.de/b/73/87/77/14/id_73877714/tid_da/neun-zaehler-und-vier-assists-gegen-die-wizards-atlantas-dennis-schroeder-.jpg

And I was like 'You couldn't pay me to watch this bullshit :no: '

[Cold soul]

No no, I'm pretty sure you're delusional.

I repeat this fucc said The 08-10 Lakers had the best frontcourt since the 80's Celtics

You sir are a cuck.

Did he actually say that? Wow.... :facepalm

[r15mohd]

No no, I'm pretty sure you're delusional.

I repeat this fucc said The 08-10 Lakers had the best frontcourt since the 80's Celtics

You sir are a cuck.


Prime Gasol
Emerging Bynum
Prime Odom

All 7ft players who were good on defense and offense. I like my chances against the others. Sorry if that bothers you homer


Btw, way to avoid the topic. Expected

[Magic 32]

Prime Gasol
Emerging Bynum
Prime Odom

All 7ft players who were good on defense and offense. I like my chances against the others. Sorry if that bothers you homer


Btw, way to avoid the topic. Expected

https://i.imgur.com/YZHYbh.jpg

[r15mohd]

https://i.imgur.com/YZHYbh.jpg


Too big a word for you? Or are u oblivious that he still peaked higher than 15/10 just after 2010.

50pts and 30 boards on average a night from the three bigs, all while locking down the paint. Lol does it bother you that much?

[ninephive]

Not Lebron's fault, but that is unreal.

[IllegalD]

What are you talking about? Just bumping this because the list is updated. 22 to 8 now, and the gap will most likely continue to close.

I believe Jordan has around 19 or 20 wins against 50 win teams. If Bron beats the Hawks next, than he has already surpassed Kobe in wins against 60 win teams. :applause:

The sad part is you were waiting on pins and needles this whole series to bump this thread.

That's how pathetic LeBron's competition has been. That your entire hopes and dreams are hinging on him beating the Atlanta Hawks to validate his greatness in your feeble mind. :applause: :lol

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Not Lebron's fault, but that is unreal.

Where were you for the first round, bruh? What have you to say about Parker?

[plowking]

The sad part is you were waiting on pins and needles this whole series to bump this thread.

That's how pathetic LeBron's competition has been. That your entire hopes and dreams are hinging on him beating the Atlanta Hawks to validate his greatness in your feeble mind. :applause: :lol

Not really. I was trying to find a thread about the Sonics and found this. Thought it was relevant and funny. Why are you upset about me bumping this? Serious question. Why have you gone off on a rant?

Feeble mind? Good one.

[TheMarkMadsen]

if these current playoffs don't show you how pathetic the east is..

Love out, Kyrie hurt, Lebron going 8-25, 10-30, 7-23 with 5 turnovers per game in the series and the Cavs still cake walked into the ECF..

:roll: :roll:

[plowking]

if these current playoffs don't show you how pathetic the east is..

Love out, Kyrie hurt, Lebron going 8-25, 10-30, 7-23 with 5 turnovers per game in the series and the Cavs still cake walked into the ECF..

:roll: :roll:

How about Kobe's 2009 final run.

Beating a Houston without McGrady and Yao. Beating Utah without Okur, and a hurt Boozer, then playing the Orlando Magic who had to beat two 60 win teams to get to the finals, essentially having a far more gruelling time getting to the finals than the piss easy one the Lakers had?

Bron on the other hand doing the opposite. Having players injured and still getting to the ECF.

[Lebron23]

How about Kobe's 2009 final run.

Beating a Houston without McGrady and Yao. Beating Utah without Okur, and a hurt Boozer, then playing the Orlando Magic who had to beat two 60 win teams to get to the finals, essentially having a far more gruelling time getting to the finals than the piss easy one the Lakers had?

Bron on the other hand doing the opposite. Having players injured and still getting to the ECF.


This

[Cleverness]

How about Kobe's 2009 final run.

Beating a Houston without McGrady and Yao. Beating Utah without Okur, and a hurt Boozer, then playing the Orlando Magic who had to beat two 60 win teams to get to the finals, essentially having a far more gruelling time getting to the finals than the piss easy one the Lakers had?

Bron on the other hand doing the opposite. Having players injured and still getting to the ECF.

no way did that happen in the stacked western conference:eek:

[ImKobe]

How about Kobe's 2009 final run.

Beating a Houston without McGrady and Yao. Beating Utah without Okur, and a hurt Boozer, then playing the Orlando Magic who had to beat two 60 win teams to get to the finals, essentially having a far more gruelling time getting to the finals than the piss easy one the Lakers had?

Bron on the other hand doing the opposite. Having players injured and still getting to the ECF.

What is your point? How about Denver in the Conference Finals? They beat CP3's Hornets and Dirk's Mavs in 5 games. Kobe averages 34/6/6 and goes off for 35/6/10 in the elimination game 6 at Denver, puts up 40, 29, 31, 32, 30 in the 5 games against the Magic...

And how you not gonna mention the fact that Kobe himself played with multiple dislocated/broken fingers that same Playoff run. Or how Bynum is never healthy, or how Fisher missed a game due to injury..

[Lebron23]

Add the 2015 Chicago Bulls, 2015 Atlanta Hawks, and 50/50 vs. Western Conference Champion.

[VengefulAngel]

Add the the teams which would have won 50+ games in the lockout season's...

[Magic 32]

This thread really hurts Lebron stans.

They hate it.

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron has now beaten 9 50-win teams.

2007 Pistons
2011 Celtics
2011 Bulls
2012 Pacers (lockout 66 games adjusted to 82 / % wise)
2012 Thunder (lockout 66 games adjusted to 82 / % wise)
2013 Pacers (won 49 games - played only 81, Boston Marathon Bombing)
2013 Spurs
2014 Pacers
2015 Bulls

Next up for 10: 2015 Hawks

:bowdown:

[ImKobe]

Prime Gasol
Emerging Bynum
Prime Odom

All 7ft players who were good on defense and offense. I like my chances against the others. Sorry if that bothers you homer


Btw, way to avoid the topic. Expected

Bynum = injured 08, semi-healthy 09, healthy 2010
Odom was past prime, but still a very good player

triangle and Kobe made them the best front court in the league at that time, but Duncan/KG were the best big men in 08 and Howard 09-10.

So what, Kobe's not allowed to have good teammates?

[Hey Yo]

Why Kobe is better than Lebron = Competition

Kobe Bryant playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26
2007-08 NBA Finals
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23
2008-09 NBA Champions
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32
2009-10 NBA Champions


total = 10 playoff series victories, 2 championships, 3 finals



Lebron playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

2006-07 Detroit Pistons Record: 53-29
2006-07 NBA Finals
2010-11 Boston Celtics Record: 56-26
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2010-11 NBA Finals
2011-12 NBA Champions
2012-13 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2012-13 NBA Champions

total = 4 playoff series victories, 2 championships, 4 finals

Lebron plays in the EAST ( where the 5th best team has a losing record ) Kobe plays in the WEST ( where 50 win teams miss the playoffs )


and i dont wanna hear about "lebron played a lockout year..." .. Kobe played in 2 of them
Fixed for the truth. Start when it became Kobe's team.

[ApexPredator]

Not Lebron's fault, but that is unreal.

It is LeBron's fault. If he joins the other East stars, that leaves no 50 win teams to compete against.

[ApexPredator]

This

Rockets were beating the Lakers when Yao went down.

[Hey Yo]

It is LeBron's fault. If he joins the other East stars, that leaves no 50 win teams to compete against.
yeah, because no players on other teams ever get hurt for a stretch of time. :rolleyes:

[riseagainst]

Bynum = injured 08, semi-healthy 09, healthy 2010
Odom was past prime, but still a very good player

triangle and Kobe made them the best front court in the league at that time, but Duncan/KG were the best big men in 08 and Howard 09-10.

So what, Kobe's not allowed to have good teammates?

:bowdown:

lebron climbing up the ranks in most 50 win teams beat in the playoffs.

:bowdown:

[Magic 32]

:bowdown:

lebron climbing up the ranks in most 50 win teams beat in the playoffs.

:bowdown:

They care!

They really do care!!!!!

[ImKobe]

:bowdown:

lebron climbing up the ranks in most 50 win teams beat in the playoffs.

:bowdown:

Good for him. Will he ever get to 5 NBA championships? :oldlol:

[IllegalD]

Rent free, LeBron Stans... :lol

Hold these Ls.

7/23. #Neverforget :no:

[IllegalD]

http://i.imgur.com/MZSzhDf.png

:eek:

[kennethgriffin]

http://i.imgur.com/MZSzhDf.png

:eek:

if we're gifting lebron with 1 more from a lockout year. then wheres kobes from 1999

rockets were 31-19 in a 50 game season

lakers beat them in the first round

who knows. with an extra 32 games maybe they win 19... never know

:confusedshrug:

[3ball]

Indeed, Lebron plays in the softest era, so EVERYONE has played far superior competition than he has:

https://swishnba.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/opponent-team-records-in-the-playoffs1.jpg?w=648
.

[TripleA]

Shut up dumbass you and your agenda makes me sick you scumbag:banghead: :mad:

[3ball]

Shut up dumbass you and your agenda makes me sick you scumbag:banghead: :mad:


:biggums:

Are you talking about this chart that shows MJ faced teams with FAR greater records than Lebron, just like Kobe did?

http://swishnba.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/opponent-team-records-in-the-playoffs1.jpg?w=648

[tpols]

http://i.imgur.com/MZSzhDf.png

:eek:

omg :roll: :roll:

Such a joke.

[TripleA]

:biggums:

Are you talking about this chart that shows MJ faced teams with FAR greater records than Lebron, just like Kobe did?

http://swishnba.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/opponent-team-records-in-the-playoffs1.jpg?w=648

Michael Jordan lost to the Detroit Pistons three straight times in the playoffs from 1987-1990, and never made it to the finals in the era of the

[3ball]

Michael Jordan lost to the Detroit Pistons


60+ win teams faced in playoffs:

Jordan: 9
Lebron: 4


50-59-win teams faced in playoffs:

Jordan: 18
Lebron: 10


https://swishnba.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/opponent-team-records-in-the-playoffs1.jpg?w=648

[bigkingsfan]

"Kobe" beaten. :roll:

[TripleA]

[QUOTE=TripleA]Michael Jordan lost to the Detroit Pistons three straight times in the playoffs from 1987-1990, and never made it to the finals in the era of the

[TripleA]

60+ win teams faced in playoffs:

Jordan: 9
Lebron: 4


50-59-win teams faced in playoffs:

Jordan: 18
Lebron: 10


https://swishnba.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/opponent-team-records-in-the-playoffs1.jpg?w=648

"expansion stat padding" new term coined by TripleA

[3ball]

"expansion stat padding" new term coined by TripleA


The 90's had the same number of teams as today: 30

So the level of dilution was exactly the same as today... Seriously, if you can't understand that, then you are a literal dumbass that should go back and redo elementary school... plain and simple.

[TripleA]

Take loss already 3ball all washed up like MJ
Mj took advantage of the expansion and injuries to magic and bird.
Imagine if bird & magic never had career altering injuries Mj would never had a title. :lol

[IllegalD]

if we're gifting lebron with 1 more from a lockout year. then wheres kobes from 1999

rockets were 31-19 in a 50 game season

lakers beat them in the first round

who knows. with an extra 32 games maybe they win 19... never know

:confusedshrug:

Not my graphic, good sir. Just thought I'd pass this important information along. But that's a very valid point. :cheers: In any case, seems its clear that Kobe's faced/beaten far superior competition for his 7 finals and 5 rings. :applause:

[HOoopCityJones]

http://i.imgur.com/MZSzhDf.png

:eek:
http://gifs.gifbin.com/122011/1340301986_reaction_face.gif

[plowking]

http://i.imgur.com/MZSzhDf.png

:eek:

2012 Pacers not included who were on pace for 50 wins too, just like the Thunder.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

:biggums:

Are you talking about this chart that shows MJ faced teams with FAR greater records than Lebron, just like Kobe did?

http://swishnba.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/opponent-team-records-in-the-playoffs1.jpg?w=648

"faced" or beat??

Kobe actually beat the aforementioned teams. :confusedshrug:

[plowking]

Bron beats another 50 win team. That is 8 now, considering the lockout season he beat two 50 win teams as well given win %.

We have to take away Kobe's Seattle win as well seeing as he didn't play half the series.

That is 9 now.

Lebron officially passes Kobe on the amount of 60 win teams he has beaten as well, being 2 to 1.

:applause:

[HOoopCityJones]

That is 9 now.

Lebron officially passes Kobe on the amount of 60 win teams he has beaten as well, being 2 to 1.

:applause:

You do realize he's never coming back to the Miami right? It's hilarious to me how you Heat fans still try to White Knight Lebron. Ni99as exploited your resources and winning culture.

Have some self respect. :facepalm

[Droid101]

2012 Pacers not included who were on pace for 50 wins too, just like the Thunder.
lol and you forget Kobe's lockout. Typical.

[Magic 32]

That is 9 now.



Only 1 away from matching 3 seasons of work for Kobe (08-10). :roll: :roll: :roll:

[AintNoSunshine]

Has Kobe ever swept a 60-win team? Lebron is so much greater than Kobe

[plowking]

You do realize he's never coming back to the Miami right? It's hilarious to me how you Heat fans still try to White Knight Lebron. Ni99as exploited your resources and winning culture.

Have some self respect. :facepalm

What has this got to do with anything?

I am allowed to watch basketball and be a fan of players outside of Miami. Particularly former Miami players.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Anybody got a list for 60 win teams?

[plowking]

lol and you forget Kobe's lockout. Typical.

Add 1, take away 1 for Seattle series which he played less than half of, so doesn't count.

Back at 24 to 9.

[HOoopCityJones]

What has this got to do with anything?

I am allowed to watch basketball and be a fan of players outside of Miami. Particularly former Miami players.

Twas satire. :lol

[plowking]

Just made this one RoundMound.

Kobe:
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21

Lebron:
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2014-15 Atlanta Hawks Record: 60-22

Lebron up 2-1 on Kobe.

[dubeta]

60 win teams

LeBron - 2

Kobe - 1


50 win teams without Wade and Bosh for LeBron, and without Gasol and Shaq for Kobe (True gauge of individual impact devoid of team 'help'). No better stat than this.


LeBron - 3

Kobe - 0

[Keno]

Just made this one RoundMound.

Kobe:
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21

Lebron:
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2014-15 Atlanta Hawks Record: 60-22

Lebron up 2-1 on Kobe.

damn, now that's impressive. :applause:

[francesco totti]

Has Kobe ever swept a 60-win team? Lebron is so much greater than Kobe


No, but he got swept though as 60 win team Utah Jazz in 1998.

[kennethgriffin]

A) why doesnt the 98 sonics count as a 60 win team beatin by kobe.. thats 2 total with the kings

And

B) more than half the teams kobe beat in the west would be 60 win teams if placed in the eastern conference





Lol@ bran babies goin bananas over nothing


Kobe beat those 25 teams with 50+ wins(1 from the lockout 99 season )

Good luck matching that. Not even jordan did

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Just made this one RoundMound.

Kobe:
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21

Lebron:
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2014-15 Atlanta Hawks Record: 60-22

Lebron up 2-1 on Kobe.
:applause:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

A) why doesnt the 98 sonics count as a 60 win team beatin by kobe.. thats 2 total with the kings


Because he played in just 3 games, and 30 minutes putting up a combined 11 points in the whole series. That's like saying James Jones has beaten 2 60 win teams.

[Magic 32]

Lebron:
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2014-15 Atlanta Hawks Record: 60-22


Boy, that is really the cream of the crop right there.

Two teams that had never had any succes in the playoff before their 60+ seasons.

I can't think of a single team on Kobe's list that would not blitzkrieg those teams.

A 37 year old Paul Pierce almost did.

[plowking]

Boy, that is really the cream of the crop right there.

Two teams that had never had any succes in the playoff before their 60+ seasons.

I can't think of a single team on Kobe's list that would not blitzkrieg those teams.

A 37 year old Paul Pierce almost did.

Kinda like the 60 win team Kobe beat?

[Magic 32]

Kinda like the 60 win team Kobe beat?

You mean the 2002 Kings?

[plowking]

You mean the 2002 Kings?

Yeah. What did they achieve prior unlike the 60 win teams Bron beat.

Even worse is, Kobe's one 60 team win is viewed as rigged by most. :oldlol:

[TheBigVeto]

You mean the 2002 Kings?

Kobe didn't beat them. The refs and David Stern did.

[Magic 32]

Yeah. What did they achieve prior unlike the 60 win teams Bron beat.


Getting to the second round in 2001.

Hawks and Bulls had done nothing.

You really think those 2 teams would win a game against the 2002 Kings?

[plowking]

Getting to the second round in 2001.

Hawks and Bulls had done nothing.

You really think those 2 teams would win a game against the 2002 Kings?

They would.

You're acting as if Noah, Rose, Deng, Boozer, Gibson, Brewer, Korver, Asik and Butler is some scrub team. That is a roster stacked with talent.

Only reason the Bulls didn't do anything the season before was because they were beaten by Lebron.

[Magic 32]

They would.

You're acting as if Noah, Rose, Deng, Boozer, Gibson, Brewer, Korver, Asik and Butler is some scrub team. That is a roster stacked with talent.

Please. If you think Boozer was part of their debth then just give up.



Only reason the Bulls didn't do anything the season before was because they were beaten by Lebron.

.....Wade?.....Bosh? No?

[Andrei89]

Holy shit Magic 32 be mad.

Lebron > Kobe and it will always be like this.

Kobe an elite scorer and a overrated defender ( as seen by his all nba defense teams).

Lebron an elite scorer, better rebounder, better defender, better passer, better leader and even more clutch.

Your only argument over KObe> Lebron is that he has more rings. Boohooo, Bill Russel got nothing over MJ even though he has 11 rings.

Then again people keep saying Lebron was carried and had great teams yet I do not know how Lebron in this life could afford to go 6-24 and still win the game 7 final.

[Magic 32]

Then again people keep saying Lebron was carried and had great teams yet I do not know how Lebron in this life could afford to go 6-24 and still win the game 7 final.

Other than the 3 times this postseaon?

[Bigsmoke]

Please. If you think Boozer was part of their debth then just give up.



.....Wade?.....Bosh? No?

Bosh and Wade werent playing with LeBron in 2010 dummy

You Kobe fans are super desperate.

The topic came from LeBron not beating enough teams that won 50+ games to The Bulls and Hawks being the worst 60+ wins teams in history. Super typical thinking




Your shitting on Boozer like he wasnt on those Jazz teams Kobe faces....

[aj1987]

Other than the 3 times this postseaon?
LeBron played in a Game 7 of the Finals 3 times this postseason? :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Magic 32]

Bosh and Wade werent playing with LeBron in 2010 dummy


2011 Bulls series.

READ idiot!!!

[MP.Trey]

Other than the 3 times this postseaon?
Reading is not your strong suit is it?

Anyway, LeBron adding three teams to the list by the end of the year. :applause:

[Bigsmoke]

2011 Bulls series.

READ idiot!!!

U was the one that said the Bulls didn't achieve much before 2011 when they won 62 regular season games and he responded


Only reason the Bulls didn't do anything the season before was because they were beaten by Lebron.

2010 was the season before 2011.


U can't be this stupid

[Magic 32]

U was the one that said the Bulls didn't achieve much before 2011 when they won 62 regular season games and he responded


Only reason the Bulls didn't do anything the season before was because they were beaten by Lebron.

2010 was the season before 2011.


U can't be this stupid

Did the Bulls win 60 games in 2010?

Go back a few pages and catch up dummy.

[Bigsmoke]

Did the Bulls win 60 games in 2010?

Go back a few pages and catch up dummy.

Kings didn't either. :biggums:

And nevermind about throwing Boozer in the bushes even tho he was on those Jazz teams in the west. He was a beast when Kobe faced him?

[plowking]

Did the Bulls win 60 games in 2010?

Go back a few pages and catch up dummy.

How is it that you were the only one not to get it.

You said they didn't do anything before that. I said neither did the Kings. Then you brought up the second round from the year before, when they weren't a 60 win team either. So I brought up that Bron knocked them out as a Cav the year before.

Simple. Everyone got it but you.

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron has now beaten 9 50-win teams.

2007 Pistons
2011 Celtics
2011 Bulls
2012 Pacers (lockout 66 games adjusted to 82 / % wise)
2012 Thunder (lockout 66 games adjusted to 82 / % wise)
2013 Pacers (won 49 games - played only 81, Boston Marathon Bombing)
2013 Spurs
2014 Pacers
2015 Bulls

Next up for 10: 2015 Hawks

:bowdown:

Update:

2007 Pistons
2011 Celtics
2011 Bulls
2012 Pacers (lockout 66 games adjusted to 82 / % wise)
2012 Thunder (lockout 66 games adjusted to 82 / % wise)
2013 Pacers (won 49 games - played only 81, Boston Marathon Bombing)
2013 Spurs
2014 Pacers
2015 Bulls
2015 Hawks

10 50-win teams now...

damn, Kobe fans thought they had a stat which they could clown Bron with and now :(

Gon' be more to come.

[Magic 32]

How is it that you were the only one not to get it.

You said they didn't do anything before that. I said neither did the Kings. Then you brought up the second round from the year before, when they weren't a 60 win team either. So I brought up that Bron knocked them out as a Cav the year before.

Simple. Everyone got it but you.

Well that turn in your argument would make no sense (wherefore I did not sense it), since the Bulls were 41-41 in 2010 and the lost in the first round (which I said was the case with 2011 Bulls and 2015 Hawks). They did nothing in the playoffs before their 60+ seasons.

The Kings were 55-27 in 2001 and got past the first round (beating the 51-31 Suns).

So I guess you have to go back and read again.

[SexSymbol]

Update:

2007 Pistons
2011 Celtics
2011 Bulls
2012 Pacers (lockout 66 games adjusted to 82 / % wise)
2012 Thunder (lockout 66 games adjusted to 82 / % wise)
2013 Pacers (won 49 games - played only 81, Boston Marathon Bombing)
2013 Spurs
2014 Pacers
2015 Bulls
2015 Hawks

10 50-win teams now...

damn, Kobe fans thought they had a stat which they could clown Bron with and now :(

Gon' be more to come.
You do realize Kobe has more than twice what Lebron has today even with adjusted wins and one 49 win teams that you added for some reason.
In reality, LeBron beat 7 50 win teams, when kobe has more than 20 at his disposal.

[ArbitraryWater]

You do realize Kobe has more than twice what Lebron has today even with adjusted wins and one 49 win teams that you added for some reason.
In reality, LeBron beat 7 50 win teams, when kobe has more than 20 at his disposal.

I think its obvious why I added the Pacers, they only played 81 games and couldn't play the Celtics due to the Bombing, a game they likely win.

How do you magically go from 10 to 7?

I also wonder how anyone would take credit for the 2009 Rockets when it wasn't the one that won 50, or the 1998 Sonics, a series in which Kobe averaged 3.7 ppg in 10 MPG (lmao).

Im just trying to play this game though... overall this is ridiculous.

Look at all those series' Kobe shot poorly in, all the great teams from the early 00's, yet Kobe was on the more loaded team in all of them, anyway.

[IllegalD]

I think its obvious why I added the Pacers, they only played 81 games and couldn't play the Celtics due to the Bombing, a game they likely win.

How do you magically go from 10 to 7?

I also wonder how anyone would take credit for the 2009 Rockets when it wasn't the one that won 50, or the 1998 Sonics, a series in which Kobe averaged 3.7 ppg in 10 MPG (lmao).

Im just trying to play this game though... overall this is ridiculous.

Look at all those series' Kobe shot poorly in, all the great teams from the early 00's, yet Kobe was on the more loaded team in all of them, anyway.

So FG% matters again to LeBron Stans? I thought it stopped mattering after the 42% playoff average stinker he's carrying into these finals?

[SexSymbol]

I think its obvious why I added the Pacers, they only played 81 games and couldn't play the Celtics due to the Bombing, a game they likely win.

How do you magically go from 10 to 7?

I also wonder how anyone would take credit for the 2009 Rockets when it wasn't the one that won 50, or the 1998 Sonics, a series in which Kobe averaged 3.7 ppg in 10 MPG (lmao).

Im just trying to play this game though... overall this is ridiculous.

Look at all those series' Kobe shot poorly in, all the great teams from the early 00's, yet Kobe was on the more loaded team in all of them, anyway.
Oh, so now we're basing 50 win teams on probability huh. Where's your guarantee that they win that game? Kobe has beat some 49 win teams too, I bet you won't like to add them to the list.
Magically? You added teams that didn't factually have 50 wins, we didn't do that with Kobe, so stick to the criteria.

[ISHGoat]

kobe stans are so ****ing stupid, they dont even understand percentages

winning 50 games in a 66 game season is not the same as wining 50 games in an 82 game season :roll: :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

kobe stans are so ****ing stupid, they dont even understand percentages

winning 50 games in a 66 game season is not the same as wining 50 games in an 82 game season :roll: :roll:

they don't understand that lol

[francesco totti]

Lebron beat a 73 win team now, Kobe never did.

[Relinquish]

Damn. Complete list of players who won against a 70 win team in the playoffs:

1. Lebron

...

2. Other Cavs players

...

nothing more

[kennethgriffen]

https://i.ibb.co/RYwD9RP/Screen-Shot-2019-03-23-at-2-35-24-PM.png

[Smoke117]

Well, look who's back and, more importantly, right back to his favorite obsession.

[Dray n Klay]

https://i.ibb.co/RYwD9RP/Screen-Shot-2019-03-23-at-2-35-24-PM.png


What

[kennethgriffen]

Lebron>>>Kobe
Next.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheCorporation]

I mean...

Was it EVER close? :lol

https://i.postimg.cc/T1h7fhpx/1e78cf3a4517fc27e988fe11b80f7dad.jpg

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]What

[TheCorporation]

Sorry Kenneth :(

Does Kobe decide to turn his " clutch gene" off when it matters?

https://i.postimg.cc/Gp2qkHxy/KB24fail.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/T1pK0vHQ/LBJvs-Kobe-Yikes.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/kXCNQfQS/FB-IMG-1548950826880.jpg

[Big164]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]What

[kennethgriffen]

Sorry Kenneth :(

Does Kobe decide to turn his " clutch gene" off when it matters?

https://i.postimg.cc/Gp2qkHxy/KB24fail.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/T1pK0vHQ/LBJvs-Kobe-Yikes.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/kXCNQfQS/FB-IMG-1548950826880.jpg


the average person on the street or average fan in the bar doesn't care about any of this stuff


its about results at the end of the day lebron couldn't get it done in the west


this is like spanoulis coming to the nba and sucking shit. same concept. nobody respects the east. its the euroleague of the nba


lebrons career is over. nobody respected him before based on "what ifs" and now its based on facts



lebron can be efficient as hell playing in the east and slacking off all year. can't do that in a real conference

[The Iron Fist]

[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]What

[sportjames23]

What’s LeBron been averaging since the all star break??

Approximately 3 losses per week.

[SpaceJam]

Damn we counting series Kobe wasn't even leading scorer in?

More so, we counting the 98 Supersonics series?! WILD

[TheCorporation]

the average person on the street or average fan in the bar doesn't care about any of this stuff


its about results at the end of the day lebron couldn't get it done in the west


this is like spanoulis coming to the nba and sucking shit. same concept. nobody respects the east. its the euroleague of the nba


lebrons career is over. nobody respected him before based on "what ifs" and now its based on facts



lebron can be efficient as hell playing in the east and slacking off all year. can't do that in a real conference


Yes, the great West/East myth that has Carmello Anthony forging his way through the Wild Wild West into a WCF appearance :lol

Remind me again why did LeBron wax that ass 14-6 if the West was so much tougher? Surely with all of Kobe’s tough Wild, Wild, West battling he would be well prepared to handle a weak east unformidable opponent such as LeBron?


https://i.postimg.cc/T1h7fhpx/1e78cf3a4517fc27e988fe11b80f7dad.jpg

[Nike D'Antoni]

Kobe Bryant playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32

total = 24 playoff series victories



Lebron James playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams


2006-07 Detroit Pistons record: 53-29
2010-11 Boston Celtics Record: 56-26
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2012-13 Indiana Pacers Record: 50-32
2012-13 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58–24
2013-14 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
2014-15 Chicago Bulls Record: 50-32
2014-15 Atlanta Hawks Record: 60-22
2015-16 Toronto Raptors Record: 56–26
2015-16 Golden State Warriors Record: 73-9
2016-17 Toronto Raptors Record: 51–31
2016-17 Boston Celtics Record: 53–29
2017-18 Toronto Raptors Record: 59–23
2017-18 Boston Celtics Record: 55–27
2022-23 Memphis Grizzlies Record: 51–31



total = 15 playoff series victories


I am missing shortened seasons for both players (1999, 2012, 2020 )

[Im Still Ballin]

Kobe Bryant playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams

1997-98 Seattle SuperSonics Record: 61-21
1999-00 Phoenix Suns Record: 53-29
1999-00 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 59-23
1999-00 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers Record: 50-32
2000-01 Sacramento Kings Record: 55-27
2000-01 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers Record: 56-26
2001-02 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58-24
2001-02 Sacramento Kings Record: 61-21
2001-02 New Jersey Nets Record: 52-30
2002-03 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 51-31
2003-04 San Antonio Spurs Record: 57-25
2003-04 Minnesota Timberwolves Record: 58-24
2007-08 Denver Nuggets Record: 50-32
2007-08 Utah Jazz Record: 54-28
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs Record: 56-26
2008-09 Houston Rockets Record: 53-29
2008-09 Denver Nuggets Record: 54-28
2008-09 Orlando Magic Record: 59-23
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder Record: 50-32
2009-10 Utah Jazz Record: 53-29
2009-10 Phoenix Suns Record: 54-28
2009-10 Boston Celtics Record: 50-32

total = 24 playoff series victories



Lebron James playoff series wins vs 50+ win teams


2006-07 Detroit Pistons record: 53-29
2010-11 Boston Celtics Record: 56-26
2010-11 Chicago Bulls Record: 62-20
2012-13 Indiana Pacers Record: 50-32
2012-13 San Antonio Spurs Record: 58–24
2013-14 Indiana Pacers Record: 56-26
2014-15 Chicago Bulls Record: 50-32
2014-15 Atlanta Hawks Record: 60-22
2015-16 Toronto Raptors Record: 56–26
2015-16 Golden State Warriors Record: 73-9
2016-17 Toronto Raptors Record: 51–31
2016-17 Boston Celtics Record: 53–29
2017-18 Toronto Raptors Record: 59–23
2017-18 Boston Celtics Record: 55–27
2022-23 Memphis Grizzlies Record: 51–31



total = 15 playoff series victories


I am missing shortened seasons for both players (1999, 2012, 2020 )

Lakers beat two 50-win rate teams in 2020: Houston (44-28) and Denver (46-27). Miami was 44-29, which is a 49.4 win pace.

Miami beat two 50-win rate teams in 2012: Indiana (42-24) and Oklahoma City (47-19).

Lakers beat one 50-win rate team in 1999: Houston (31-19).

Kobe: 25
LeBron: 19

[RRR3]

Lakers beat two 50-win rate teams in 2020: Houston (44-28) and Denver (46-27). Miami was 44-29, which is a 49.4 win pace.

Miami beat two 50-win rate teams in 2012: Indiana (42-24) and Oklahoma City (47-19).

Lakers beat one 50-win rate team in 1999: Houston (31-19).

Kobe: 25
LeBron: 19
Pacers had 49 wins in 2013 and missed one game due to weather I think. Add another one for Big Bad Bron.

[Axe]

https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2013/04/16/boston-marathon-bombing-terror-attack-celtics-pacers-game-cancelled-nba