Phil: Melo, take a pay cut!

[r15mohd]

Melo will walk...

[QUOTE]
[B]Jackson puts heat on Anthony to stick to word on

[oarabbus]

Lala aint bout dat pay cut life

"Baby I took a pay cut to make the playoffs next season"

"n***a you did WHAT?!"

Melo outta NYC

[Lebronxrings]

hes right. Who wants to pay that amount of money to a dude who can't get his team to the playoffs.

[aj1987]

Knicks.... :oldlol:

WOAT franchise.

[jzek]

Bulls is his next destination is he truly cares about winning a title.

[Black and White]

Melo is gone, he would be stupid to stay, his window is closing and he needs to get to a better situation quickly.

[imdaman99]

lol... if he really wants to win, he should take a paycut.

But that brings in the question of if he is taking a paycut in NY, why not take a paycut for a team that is in a much better situation? AKA about 20 other teams. Phil guaranteed us that there is life after Melo, if he does decide to leave.

[salwan]

melo will gtfo.
knicks will continue to stink.
phil will collect his paycheck while sitting in LA.
dolan be mad.
all other nba fans will laugh

win-win situation:applause:

[SpecialQue]

melo will gtfo.
knicks will continue to stink.
phil will collect his paycheck while sitting in LA.
dolan be mad.
all other nba fans will laugh

win-win situation:applause:

Goddamn. Unnecessarily cold.

[smoovegittar]

Can't wait to put half you stink ass bitches to sleep. Whatever happens, PJ has this thing going in the right direction. Bulls fans be begging for Melo when they aren't dogging him... need some offense quick? Not quick enough, apparently.

Celtics fans can go back to sleep now. THEY aren't getting Melo.

Personally, I don't give 2 shits whether he stays or goes. It's gonna get better either way. Stay salty, ISH. :D

[salwan]

Goddamn. Unnecessarily cold.

I just tell it how it is (going to be):confusedshrug:

[Real Men Wear Green]

My theory: Jackson doesn't think it's worth it to pay Anthony his full max. He would want Anthony back at a discounted rate and failing that would rather just rebuild from scratch. By quoting Melo his hope is that the PR backlash is lessened if/when Melo refuses to stay in NY for less.

X-Factor: Is Dolan willing to let Anthony walk if he can keep Anthony by paying that full max?

[AxlGnR]

Surely Melo isn't that stupid to stay in NY, or is he ?

[aj1987]

My theory: Jackson doesn't think it's worth it to pay Anthony his full max. He would want Anthony back at a discounted rate and failing that would rather just rebuild from scratch. By quoting Melo his hope is that the PR backlash is lessened if/when Melo refuses to stay in NY for less.

X-Factor: Is Dolan willing to let Anthony walk if he can keep Anthony by paying that full max?
The dude is 29, had 2 of his best seasons (statistically) in NY the last two years, has improved his defense, and has been more efficient than he has ever been. How does anyone expect the guy to NOT take a max deal. It's not like he makes Wade/LeBron money through endorsements. IMO, dude should just walk. Go to a franchise which is missing a single piece from making them contenders (Bulls). He probably has like 3 years left, during which he can lead teams to championships. Now or never.

[GetBuckets]

I dont see Melo taking a pay cut to stay in NY.... He might to go to a team that is already either a contender or close enough to being one that he can turn into one. Sorry Phil, but Melo aint takin no pay cut to stay with the Knicks.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The dude is 29, had 2 of his best seasons (statistically) in NY the last two years, has improved his defense, and has been more efficient than he has ever been. How does anyone expect the guy to NOT take a max deal. It's not like he makes Wade/LeBron money through endorsements. IMO, dude should just walk. Go to a franchise which is missing a single piece from making them contenders (Bulls). He probably has like 3 years left, during which he can lead teams to championships. Now or never.
I'm just guessing at Jackson's motivation, not stating my opinion. I believe that Jackson views NY with Melo as a playoff team with no real shot at the championship at best, and this year's 30-something win group at worst. Jackson's trying to make NY a real contender and to do that either the team must be blown up or there has to be enough cap room to bring in a superstar to play with Melo and get other good players as well. Both causes are hindered if Melo makes all he can.

[97 bulls]

If Melo is smart, he will take less money from another team. Why take less money and stay with a team that's gonna be in full rebuild mode when you can probably take the same amount of money and join a legit contender.

Saying that, are the Bulls legit contenders now? Theyre down 2-0 and in danger of being ing eliminated in the first round.

[aj1987]

I'm just guessing at Jackson's motivation, not stating my opinion. I believe that Jackson views NY with Melo as a playoff team with no real shot at the championship at best, and this year's 30-something win group at worst. Jackson's trying to make NY a real contender and to do that either the team must be blown up or there has to be enough cap room to bring in a superstar to play with Melo and get other good players as well. Both causes are hindered if Melo makes all he can.
They need to get rid of Amar'e. Dude's gonna be making ~$45M over the next two years. I still don't get why they traded for Bargnani. He's another player who's absolutely useless and makes ~$15M a year. Felton should be traded as well. If they can somehow magically get rid of these three, they can get some really good pieces. I'm sure that the Knicks are wishing that they didn't use their amnesty on Billups.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Phil saying spurs aren't a dynasty but a "great force"

Been tellin y'all it isn't a dynasty if you never did it b2b or at least made 2 consecutive finals

[aj1987]

Phil saying spurs aren't a dynasty but a "great force"

Been tellin y'all it isn't a dynasty if you never did it b2b or at least made 2 consecutive finals
The '04 and '05 Pistons are a dynasty?

[Patrick Chewing]

The haul that Melo would return via trade is way better than financially strapping this team down the road in hopes that another star will magically fall into New York's laps and work well enough with Melo to win a championship.

Melo is not a winner. Plain and simple. His brain is not at the same level of a Kobe Bryant, Dirk Nowitzki, Tim Duncan, Dwyane Wade, and Lebron James. All he cares about is shooting the damn ball and backing a triple-team on him to the basket for an ill-advised shot. That's not the attitude of a player who can carry this team on its shoulders.

Phil, has so far done the right thing and is on the right track by firing the entire coaching staff who lost the attention of that team during last years playoffs.

Trading Melo would be the correct move in removing this negative stereotype this team has. Let him be someone else's problem, and let this Knicks team start fresh with players and coaches who want to learn and who want to win.

[BlackVVaves]

My theory: Jackson doesn't think it's worth it to pay Anthony his full max. He would want Anthony back at a discounted rate and failing that would rather just rebuild from scratch. By quoting Melo his hope is that the PR backlash is lessened if/when Melo refuses to stay in NY for less.

X-Factor: Is Dolan willing to let Anthony walk if he can keep Anthony by paying that full max?

Said the same after the story broke. This is just media manipulation, for which Phil is notorious for.

Problem is, if Melo is going to take a pay-cut, why not take a pay cut to join a team with a better foundation already cemented? :confusedshrug:

Phil essentially implored Melo to take less, but that theory applies to the Bulls, Rockets, ect, not just the Knicks.

[TheMarkMadsen]

The '04 and '05 Pistons are a dynasty?

Uh no did I say they were?

Use your brain, 1 title in 2 trips isnt a dynasty.

[kamil]

Bulls is his next destination is he truly cares about winning a title.

As much as I would love to see the Bulls win a championship, I don't think Melo is the guy to get them over that hump.

[SwishSquared]

He'd probably want Melo for $110M/5 years at the most. Even that is a steep contract for a 30 year old superstar. Jackson will try to go into 2015 FA with as much money as he can and rebuild on the fly. He won't let Melo walk for nothing though. Melo either does sign-and-trade or stays with NYK.

[BlackVVaves]

The '04 and '05 Pistons are a dynasty?

The Pistons were the #1 seed in 2003, won the Championship in 2004, and went to Game 7 of the Finals in 2005.

The mid-2000 Pistons are severely underrated around these parts. Maybe not a dynasty, but as dominant as any team out East from 2000-2007.

[STATUTORY]

Lala aint bout dat pay cut life

"Baby I took a pay cut to make the playoffs next season"

"n***a you did WHAT?!"

Melo outta NYC

:roll: :roll:

http://cdn.madamenoire.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Lala1.png

she does seem the trifling type

[SwishSquared]

As much as I would love to see the Bulls win a championship, I don't think Melo is the guy to get them over that hump.

Melo on his own won't, but they're closer to a title than NYK. Rose at 80% of MVP form is still better than any offensive threat Melo's played with in NYC. Of course, no guarantee Rose stays healthy.

In staying, Melo would be banking on Phil landing a superstar and star next offseason while nailing the 2015 draft pick. Not impossible, but waiting a whole year through another miserable year is tough.

I think Phil is indifferent as to whether or not Anthony stays.

[aj1987]

Phil saying spurs aren't a dynasty but a "great force"

Been tellin y'all it isn't a dynasty if you never did it b2b or at least made 2 consecutive finals

Uh no did I say they were?

Use your brain, 1 title in 2 trips isnt a dynasty.

2 consecutive Finals with a win in '04. Meets your criteria of a "dynasty". :oldlol:


The Pistons were the #1 seed in 2003, won the Championship in 2004, and went to Game 7 of the Finals in 2005.

The mid-2000 Pistons are severely underrated around these parts. Maybe not a dynasty, but as dominant as any team out East from 2000-2007.
Absolutely. They were nothing short of amazing. I love teams which prioritize defense and it was absolutely amazing to watch them. They aren't a dynasty though.

[smoovegittar]

My theory: Jackson doesn't think it's worth it to pay Anthony his full max. He would want Anthony back at a discounted rate and failing that would rather just rebuild from scratch. By quoting Melo his hope is that the PR backlash is lessened if/when Melo refuses to stay in NY for less.

X-Factor: Is Dolan willing to let Anthony walk if he can keep Anthony by paying that full max?

Great question. After 3 years, the best we could muster is getting served in the second round. Meanwhile, a guy who knows how to win and has a ring for every finger is calling the shots. Dolan would be saying an awful lot if he looked the other way should Phil decide to trade Melo. I think Dolan realizes the mistake he made in the rush to acquire Melo. I can only hope this guy honors his blanket statement about staying un-involved (regardless of how Isola wants to spin things).

More and more I'm leaning towards seeing Melo gone. Especially if it's gonna take 2 years at least. Wipe that slate clean.

[Real14]

Knicks.... :oldlol:

WOAT franchise.
Miami vs knicks playoff series

97- Mia
98- NY
99-NY
00- NY
12- Mia (asterisk):oldlol:

[becken]

I agree but these things are not resolved through the media!!! So this is Jackson first strike. Remember mr Zen you're not a coach anymore. Now you are a team president-sort of- not a PR guy.

[Kakapopo]

Well it's offical. Melo to the Lakers :lol

[Real14]

Melo should stay, remember he said its not about tha bread its about winning that ring:applause:

[Brokenbeat]

Melo should stay, remember he said its not about tha bread its about winning that ring:applause:

:coleman:

[SwishSquared]

What would you guys consider a decent trade proposal for Melo if Jackson wants to blow everything up?

[Akrazotile]

Knicks.... :oldlol:

WOAT franchise.



:wtf:


I've been a big critic of Phil Jackson, but this is a BRILLIANT move.


Carmelo is NOT worth a max contract. Especially on a team deplete of draft picks whose only avenue to add talent is free agency.

The Knicks are better off either keeping Melo on a salary favorable to the team, or letting him get an overpaid deal elsewhere. The worse thing they could do is pay him the max to stay.



I know, I know. 99% of this board are rank players based on their ability to play iso hero ball. So most people here outrageously overvalue Carmelo Anthony. Fortunately for the Knicks, Phil Jackson appears to be a lot smarter than the average dummy fan, and even most executives. Good for him.

[Relinquish]

Melo to the Wiz. It's official. :applause:

[aj1987]

Miami vs knicks playoff series

97- Mia
98- NY
99-NY
00- NY
12- Mia (asterisk):oldlol:
Miami is gonna beat them fools in the playoffs this year. Oh wait. Nevermind. :oldlol:

The Knicks have been in the NBA for 64 (?) years and have 2 titles. Dwyane Wade got drafted in '03 and has been with the Heat for 10 seasons. Dude has 3 rings. :oldlol:



Carmelo is NOT worth a max contract. Especially on a team deplete of draft picks whose only avenue to add talent is free agency.
That's why I said he should just leave. Carmelo making $5M extra a season won't hurt them. Amar'e, Bargnani, and Felton making a combined $40M ned season is gonna kill them.

[smoovegittar]

What would you guys consider a decent trade proposal for Melo if Jackson wants to blow everything up?
Picks and a passing center. He needs a big who passes for the triangle. I wouldn't know who that would be offhand.

[Patrick Chewing]

What would you guys consider a decent trade proposal for Melo if Jackson wants to blow everything up?


Read this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2032620-what-the-2014-2015-new-york-knicks-could-look-like?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming

[MellowYellow]

The haul that Melo would return via trade is way better than financially strapping this team down the road in hopes that another star will magically fall into New York's laps and work well enough with Melo to win a championship.

Melo is not a winner. Plain and simple. His brain is not at the same level of a Kobe Bryant, Dirk Nowitzki, Tim Duncan, Dwyane Wade, and Lebron James. All he cares about is shooting the damn ball and backing a triple-team on him to the basket for an ill-advised shot. That's not the attitude of a player who can carry this team on its shoulders.

Phil, has so far done the right thing and is on the right track by firing the entire coaching staff who lost the attention of that team during last years playoffs.

Trading Melo would be the correct move in removing this negative stereotype this team has. Let him be someone else's problem, and let this Knicks team start fresh with players and coaches who want to learn and who want to win.

I am convinced that you havent watched a Knick game all season. :facepalm

[Akrazotile]

I agree but these things are not resolved through the media!!! So this is Jackson first strike. Remember mr Zen you're not a coach anymore. Now you are a team president-sort of- not a PR guy.


No, this is a brilliant strategy. Part of salary negotiations are about PR and saving face.

Carmelo made the mistake of saying publicly he would take less months ago. Now Phil is reminding everyone that he's agreed to that and Phil is framing it in the context of the team having a plan to build a winner, but it needs Melo to cooperate.

If Melo bolts to Chicago or elsewhere, what kinda commercials is he gonna make? Certainly none about "sacrifice" and "desperately wanting a ring" bc unlike Lebron, he's probably not gonna win a ring no matter where he goes. So his marketability definitely takes a hit. Not saying he'd never get another commercial, just that it changes his image slightly and that creates uncertainty.


Phil with the fukcin gonads here. Puttin the "franchise player" on notice. (This organization is getting some serious luck it doesn't deserve by finally having an executive who knows Carmelo is not a real franchise player).


Damn.

[SwishSquared]

Picks and a passing center. He needs a big who passes for the triangle. I wouldn't know who that would be offhand.

Would expirings & picks in your mind be a good enough package so Jackson has maximum flexibility next summer? I could easily see Phil throwing full max @ Marc Gasol next summer. He's probably most well-rounded center in the game

[Akrazotile]

Well it's offical. Melo to the Lakers :lol


I have no doubt he'll do the same thing for them as he did for NY when he came over from Denver.


Make his new team worse and his old team better.

[TheMarkMadsen]

2 consecutive Finals with a win in '04. Meets your criteria of a "dynasty". :oldlol:


Absolutely. They were nothing short of amazing. I love teams which prioritize defense and it was absolutely amazing to watch them. They aren't a dynasty though.

Jesus you are dumb or just really simple

You have to win consecutive titles to be a dynasty, there is one exception to the rule which is the 80s celtics who most consider a dynasty (made b2b finals)

[Patrick Chewing]

I am convinced that you havent watched a Knick game all season. :facepalm


Melo's a loser, just like you.

[Akrazotile]

I am convinced that you havent watched a Knick game all season. :facepalm

:facepalm

How come Melo always looks great when the team is utter SHIT, but when the team is supposed to be competing for something he's inconsistent and disappointing?


Oh, right. Because it's EASY to look good as a volume scorer on a garbage team. When the stakes are raised higher than GARBAGE, a winner is supposed to raise his play along with them. Melo n.e.v.e.r. does that.

But cling to what he did this year when the Knicks missed the playoffs in the east.

[aj1987]

Jesus you are dumb or just really simple

You have to win consecutive titles to be a dynasty, there is one exception to the rule which is the 80s celtics who most consider a dynasty (made b2b finals)
God damn, you're an idiot. No wonder you're a Kobetard.

Here, let me quote YOUR post.


Phil saying spurs aren't a dynasty but a "great force"

Been tellin y'all it isn't a dynasty if you never did it b2b or at least made 2 consecutive finals

[MellowYellow]

Melo's a loser, just like you.
Knicks are losers, and so is Ewing. Some of you fans man, just make me smh. Can't appreciate a good thing till it's gone I suppose. Melo is the best thing to ever happen to the Knicks.

[Real14]

:coleman:
think about it, we have phil Jackson now and he's making room for a championship team:facepalm

[Akrazotile]

Knicks are losers, and so is Ewing. Some of you fans man, just make me smh. Can't appreciate a good thing till it's gone I suppose. Melo is the best thing to ever happen to the Knicks.


Gimmick account confirmed.

[smoovegittar]

Read this: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2032620-what-the-2014-2015-new-york-knicks-could-look-like?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming

Well, it was interesting. But I don't see all those Rockets coming in here. Especially Lin. And over the cap as well? Hell no.

[aj1987]

think about it, we have phil Jackson now and he's making room for a championship team:facepalm
The Knicks aren't winning shit with Amar'e, Felton, and Bargnani making a combined $40M next season.

[Real14]

Miami is gonna beat them fools in the playoffs this year. Oh wait. Nevermind. :oldlol:

The Knicks have been in the NBA for 64 (?) years and have 2 titles. Dwyane Wade got drafted in '03 and has been with the Heat for 10 seasons. Dude has 3 rings. :oldlol:
.
We still own yall in playoff matchups tho salty hater:lol and tha cheat have no ringz they have nuttin but asterisks:no:

[Real14]

The Knicks aren't winning shit with Amar'e, Felton, and Bargnani making a combined $40M next season.
Amare iz back bro :rolleyes: and felton and bargs shud get traded, Phil Jackson iz on tha job:applause:

[BlackVVaves]

No, this is a brilliant strategy. Part of salary negotiations are about PR and saving face.

Carmelo made the mistake of saying publicly he would take less months ago. Now Phil is reminding everyone that he's agreed to that and Phil is framing it in the context of the team having a plan to build a winner, but it needs Melo to cooperate.

If Melo bolts to Chicago or elsewhere, what kinda commercials is he gonna make? Certainly none about "sacrifice" and "desperately wanting a ring" bc unlike Lebron, he's probably not gonna win a ring no matter where he goes. So his marketability definitely takes a hit. Not saying he'd never get another commercial, just that it changes his image slightly and that creates uncertainty.


Phil with the fukcin gonads here. Puttin the "franchise player" on notice. (This organization is getting some serious luck it doesn't deserve by finally having an executive who knows Carmelo is not a real franchise player).


Damn.

Wrong.

If Melo takes a pay-cut to play with Thibs, Rose, and Noah...or Dwight, Parsons, and Harden...Melo will be perceived as a player hell-bent on winning, and sacrificing personal finances in order to achieve this goal.

This plays more into other team's campaign for Melo than the Knicks. Their only bargaining chip outside of placing faith in Phil was their ability to pay Melo more. Phil has essentially negated that with this PR wizardry, because Melo is more inclined now to avoid bad press and take less money wherever he goes to win.

The only way this actually hurts Melo is if he demands the Knicks pay him max money. The ill-effects end there.

[Real14]

Knicks are losers, and so is Ewing. Some of you fans man, just make me smh. Can't appreciate a good thing till it's gone I suppose. Melo is the best thing to ever happen to the Knicks.
Go root for tha suns or something for sayin that shit:coleman:

[smoovegittar]

Would expirings & picks in your mind be a good enough package so Jackson has maximum flexibility next summer? I could easily see Phil throwing full max @ Marc Gasol next summer. He's probably most well-rounded center in the game

Why not? I like Gasol, if he can stay healthy. All this is very intriguing... and a bit of a laugh, as we're talking Knicks and they're currently not playing. Blowing this shit up is something I don't EVER remember this team doing. Interesting...

[smoovegittar]

Go root for tha suns or something for sayin that shit:coleman:
He's not a Knick fan; he's a Melo fan.

[Patrick Chewing]

Knicks are losers, and so is Ewing. Some of you fans man, just make me smh. Can't appreciate a good thing till it's gone I suppose. Melo is the best thing to ever happen to the Knicks.


Obviously you're just another lame-ass troll that lives in grandma's basement.

Ewing went to the Finals twice. Has Melo ever gotten past the first round? The man is not a leader, plain and simple. He can score with the best of them, but he's no team captain. He's no motivator.

[smoovegittar]

Obviously you're just another lame-ass troll that lives in grandma's basement.

Ewing went to the Finals twice. Has Melo ever gotten past the first round? The man is not a leader, plain and simple. He can score with the best of them, but he's no team captain. He's no motivator.
Uh, he got past the first round last year...

[MellowYellow]

Obviously you're just another lame-ass troll that lives in grandma's basement.

Ewing went to the Finals twice. Has Melo ever gotten past the first round? The man is not a leader, plain and simple. He can score with the best of them, but he's no team captain. He's no motivator.

Really? You don't even know your own players, or what your own team does. The Knicks made it to the 2nd round last season, and Melo made the wcf in 2009.

[aj1987]

We still own yall in playoff matchups tho salty hater:lol and tha cheat have no ringz they have nuttin but asterisks:no:
More rings than your franchise in about a third of the time.



Amare iz back bro and felton and bargs shud get traded, Phil Jackson iz on tha job
You do know that the Knicks were 24th defensively, right? The Knicks defense would be AMAZING when Felton, Melo, Bargnani, and Amar'e are on the floor at the same time.

[SwishSquared]

Why not? I like Gasol, if he can stay healthy. All this is very intriguing... and a bit of a laugh, as we're talking Knicks and they're currently not playing. Blowing this shit up is something I don't EVER remember this team doing. Interesting...

This season (I think) was first time he's had a semi-serious injury and he seems fine health-wise now. I still think Knicks' best option is trading Melo to the Bulls for 3 first rounders + Boozer + Dunleavy (and a young guy if they can take one away- like Tony Snell). Go full tank mode next season by trading Chandler to Portland for Lopez + Filler + a pick. Buy-out Bargs this summer. Waive Felton & Smith next summer through stretch provision.

Haha you are right- Knicks typically don't completely tear it apart, but they can do maybe do the short-term Lakers rebuild. Starting over and letting Jackson truly build the team is their best option imo

[Real14]

He's not a Knick fan; he's a Melo fan.
That's messed up:facepalm

[TheReal Kendall]

Melo is gone, he would be stupid to stay, his window is closing and he needs to get to a better situation quickly.

This. He really needs to leave.

Who can the Knicks bring in to actually help Melo? Love?:rolleyes:

[Real14]

More rings than your franchise in about a third of the time.



You do know that the Knicks were 24th defensively, right? The Knicks defense would be AMAZING when Felton, Melo, Bargnani, and Amar'e are on the floor at the same time.
We own our ringz tha right way and our main star was injured:lol In 06 refs kissed wade's ass at tha free throw line and cheated josh howard on his timeout, 12 was a short season with tha refs rigging the last four games for tha cheat to win especially game 2 and 13 was rigged by joe Crawford, manu and pop. I rest damn case:coleman:

[smoovegittar]

This season (I think) was first time he's had a semi-serious injury and he seems fine health-wise now. I still think Knicks' best option is trading Melo to the Bulls for 3 first rounders + Boozer + Dunleavy (and a young guy if they can take one away- like Tony Snell). Go full tank mode next season by trading Chandler to Portland for Lopez + Filler + a pick. Buy-out Bargs this summer. Waive Felton & Smith next summer through stretch provision.

Haha you are right- Knicks typically don't completely tear it apart, but they can do maybe do the short-term Lakers rebuild. Starting over and letting Jackson truly build the team is their best option imo
More and more I'm leaning towards this. Not used to that shit! :oldlol:

[LoneyROY7]

http://www.yahalavoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/carmelo-anthony-chicago-bulls.jpg

[smoovegittar]

http://www.yahalavoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/carmelo-anthony-chicago-bulls.jpg
They need him NOW.

[TheMarkMadsen]

God damn, you're an idiot. No wonder you're a Kobetard.

Here, let me quote YOUR post.

Can you not read?

Honestly.


Been tellin y'all it isn't a dynasty if you never did it b2b or at least made 2 consecutive finals

It's assumed that any dynasty talk involves multiple rings won..

The celtics never won b2b but they did make consecutive finals while wining 3 rings

So if you win multiple titles but they weren't consecutive you AT LEAST have to had made consecutive finals to even be in the conversation

Why does everybody have to spell shit out for you like you're some little kid.

[Akrazotile]

Wrong.

If Melo takes a pay-cut to play with Thibs, Rose, and Noah...or Dwight, Parsons, and Harden...Melo will be perceived as a player hell-bent on winning, and sacrificing personal finances in order to achieve this goal.



Well, I personally believe Carmelo will be exposed if he goes to one of those two teams, because they won't get any better. Melo and Harden are redundant, you aren't simply getting their "combined" scoring totals by putting them on the same team. There's only one ball, and when you only have one chucker at least there's at least some sort of consistency and stability. When you have two low-IQ chuckers, things get very awkward in a hurry as they both try to maintain their same touches while making token attempts to appear unselfish. Throw in Dwight's inability to play late in games, and the fact that Parsons will be a salary casualty in a year if you bring in Melo, and you aren't doing jack.

To win a title, you usually have to have a couple really good ALL AROUND players (that includes things like defense and passing IQ) or you have to have maybe a star and a deep team of perfect fits or just a really strong overall team.


Point being, paying overrated B-listers Harden and Melo and Dwight your entire salary cap and then expecting to have good enough role players around them? Fool's recipe. And even if Melo does leave for a better team for less money, it still vindicates Phil. His point is that you CAN NOT build a winner with Melo making max. So either he stays for less, or they're better off without him.

[aj1987]

We own our ringz tha right way and our main star was injured:lol In 06 refs kissed wade's ass at tha free throw line and cheated josh howard on his timeout, 12 was a short season with tha refs rigging the last four games for tha cheat to win especially game 2 and 13 was rigged by joe Crawford, manu and pop. I rest damn case:coleman:
You better rest your brain as well, 'cause that was literally the dumbest post ever, Cecil.


Can you not read?

Honestly.

It's assumed that any dynasty talk involves multiple rings won..

The celtics never won b2b but they did make consecutive finals while wining 3 rings

So if you win multiple titles but they weren't consecutive you AT LEAST have to had made consecutive finals..

Why does everybody have to spell shit out for you like you're some little kid.
I see that you have the writing skills of a 2nd grader. Heck, my 6 year old nephew can write better than you.

Can't help you, if your retarded Kobetard ass can't even understand what you wrote. Also, stop try to make shit up, 'cause your idiocy has been exposed. You were trying to disparage the Spurs because they never made back-to-back Finals by claiming a team is a dynasty, if they made the Finals consecutively. According to your retarded logic, the Pistons are a dynasty.

Honestly, you actually make the rest of the Kobetards look smart.

[Akrazotile]

The irony of this whole thing is that Dolan may actually come out as the sensible one in the minds of all the dumb fans, because he might insist they pay Melo whatever it takes to keep him (bc of revenue considerations).

The fans will be like "omg, dolan saved us from phil?!?! wow that's crazzzzyyyy hahahaha" and they'll all have a silly little laugh.

When in reality it will be business as usual, Dolan hammering another nail in your coffin by insisting Carmelo get a max contract.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You better rest your brain as well, 'cause that was literally the dumbest post ever, Cecil.


I see that you have the writing skills of a 2nd grader. Heck, my 6 year old nephew can write better than you. Can't help you, if your retarded Kobetard ass can't even understand what you wrote.

Good lord that was cringe worthy :roll:

This guy goes around calling people Kobe tards and then emails one of the biggest laker/Kobe fans on ISH looking for help when his dumbass got locked out of his own account :oldlol:

[smoovegittar]

The irony of this whole thing is that Dolan may actually come out as the sensible one in the minds of all the dumb fans, because he might insist they pay Melo whatever it takes to keep him (bc of revenue considerations).

The fans will be like "omg, dolan saved us from phil?!?! wow that's crazzzzyyyy hahahaha" and they'll all have a silly little laugh.

When in reality it will be business as usual, Dolan hammering another nail in your coffin by insisting Carmelo get a max contract.
Ain't gonna happen. Most fans round NYC know the game and know Jimmy doesn't know SHIT about ball. He's already paid the price of getting Melo and has taken a beating by fans and the media. That's the only way PJ got here - he's pretty much got absolute control without calling it that. He's gonna sit back like a good boy and let PJ handle business unless it goes to rot by 2016 IMHO.

[BlackVVaves]

Well, I personally believe Carmelo will be exposed if he goes to one of those two teams, because they won't get any better. Melo and Harden are redundant, you aren't simply getting their "combined" scoring totals by putting them on the same team. There's only one ball, and when you only have one chucker at least there's at least some sort of consistency and stability. When you have two low-IQ chuckers, things get very awkward in a hurry as they both try to maintain their same touches while making token attempts to appear unselfish. Throw in Dwight's inability to play late in games, and the fact that Parsons will be a salary casualty in a year if you bring in Melo, and you aren't doing jack.

To win a title, you usually have to have a couple really good ALL AROUND players (that includes things like defense and passing IQ) or you have to have maybe a star and a deep team of perfect fits or just a really strong overall team.


Point being, paying overrated B-listers Harden and Melo and Dwight your entire salary cap and then expecting to have good enough role players around them? Fool's recipe. And even if Melo does leave for a better team for less money, it still vindicates Phil. His point is that you CAN NOT build a winner with Melo making max. So either he stays for less, or they're better off without him.

You're crazy if you think a line-up of

Dwight
Melo
Parsons
Harden
Beverly

wouldn't be title contenders by next April (assuming they replace McHale with someone actually competent).

Now. If the Rockets had to move Parsons, one of those "really good ALL AROUND players," I'd share in your pessimism. But, as much as I think Melo is a second tier superstar, there's no doubt in my mind that Harden's drive-to-the-basket ability, coupled with the threat of Dwight completing an alley, coupled with Parsons and Melo hanging out at the 3 point line, would make for a terrifying offensive team. Defensively, Melo would be masked playing more immobile 4s, and there wouldn't be much of a drop off between that team defensively and the team playing now.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You better rest your brain as well, 'cause that was literally the dumbest post ever, Cecil.


I see that you have the writing skills of a 2nd grader. Heck, my 6 year old nephew can write better than you.

Can't help you, if your retarded Kobetard ass can't even understand what you wrote. Also, stop try to make shit up, 'cause your idiocy has been exposed. You were trying to disparage the Spurs because they never made back-to-back Finals by claiming a team is a dynasty, if they made the Finals consecutively. According to your retarded logic, the Pistons are a dynasty.

Honestly, you actually make the rest of the Kobetards look smart.


Let me address this again since you weren't smart enough to say what you wanted to say the first time.

The pistons would not have been a dynasty if they won in 05. Wining 2 rings regardless if they are b2b does not count as a dynasty.

The 08-10 lakers weren't a dynasty.

[Heavincent]

Translation: Melo, you're not as good as you think you are.

[aj1987]

Good lord that was cringe worthy :roll:

This guy goes around calling people Kobe tards and then emails one of the biggest laker/Kobe fans on ISH looking for help when his dumbass got locked out of his own account :oldlol:
fpliii is a cool dude and is a huge Wade fan. He also has an IQ over 50, which you do not possess.


Let me address this again since you weren't smart enough to say what you wanted to say the first time.

The pistons would not have been a dynasty if they won in 05. Wining 2 rings regardless if they are b2b does not count as a dynasty.

The 08-10 lakers weren't a dynasty.
I'm done explaining YOUR post to YOU. How stupid do you have to be, to not understand what you posted... :oldlol:

[aboss4real24]

mELO ALREDY Sed he would take less money so nyk can gt more players

gud move by phil

[Cocaine80s]

i think if melo was gonna take a pay cut he'd have one with the heat instead

[Patrick Chewing]

Really? You don't even know your own players, or what your own team does. The Knicks made it to the 2nd round last season, and Melo made the wcf in 2009.


The point is, Melo's been doing this for 10 years now and the furthest he's gotten is the WCF. He didn't even make the playoffs now. He's regressing.

[Bosnian Sajo]

None of the Knick teams Melo was on in the past few seasons are better than Denver-Melo squad. It's ok though, everyone makes mistakes...make the right move for once and come join uncle Kobe in LA :D

[aboss4real24]

None of the Knick teams Melo was on in the past few seasons are better than Denver-Melo squad. It's ok though, everyone makes mistakes...make the right move for once and come join uncle Kobe in LA :D

No1 wants to play 4 la/Kobe

Thought kevin Love made that clear

[TheMarkMadsen]

fpliii is a cool dude and is a huge Wade fan. He also has an IQ over 50, which you do not possess.


I'm done explaining YOUR post to YOU. :facepalm

I've explained it to you multiple times. I've quoted myself.

You have to win b2b titles or at least make b2b finals..while winning 3+ titles during that time..

The latter being a given which only someone with your pedestrian level of intelligence needs to have explained to him apparently

[smoovegittar]

The point is, Melo's been doing this for 10 years now and the furthest he's gotten is the WCF. He didn't even make the playoffs now. He's regressing.
I have to disagree. He's played better this year than any other in my opinion. His team around him sucked major ass. We had no point guard and JR as a 2nd option? I think the biggest problem THIS year was the Bargs signing. That mofo stunk up the whole joint and ruined any semblence of chemistry we may have had. But Melo is not a "first option" guy.

[aj1987]

The point is, Melo's been doing this for 10 years now and the furthest he's gotten is the WCF. He didn't even make the playoffs now. He's regressing.
Are you sure that it's Melo's fault? How have Chandler, Amar'e, Bargnani, JR, and Fleton played this season? Melo actually improved his defense this season. Career high in rebounds, 3pt %, and blocks and career low in TOV's.

The Knicks wouldn't have cracked 10 wins, if Melo wasn't on the team.


I've explained it to you multiple times. I've quoted myself.

You have to win b2b titles or at least make b2b finals..while winning 3+ titles during that time..

The latter being a given which only someone with your pedestrian level of intelligence needs to have explained to him apparently
Keep making shit up. Your original post is still there, exposing everyone to your idiocy.


Been tellin y'all it isn't a dynasty if you never did it b2b or at least made 2 consecutive finals

:oldlol:

Pathetic. You can't even comprehend YOUR own posts.

[aboss4real24]

Are you sure that it's Melo's fault? How have Chandler, Amar'e, Bargnani, JR, and Fleton played this season? Melo actually improved his defense this season. Career high in rebounds, 3pt %, and blocks and career low in TOV's.

The Knicks wouldn't have cracked 10 wins, if Melo wasn't on the team.

all those guys u named Missed games this season

And Knicks won 3 straight games without melo to end the season vs 3 playof teams

[Sarcastic]

Phil gonna make Melo sign to a vet minimum contract.


Phil da gawd :bowdown:

[smoovegittar]

Phil gonna make Melo sign to a vet minimum contract.


Phil da gawd :bowdown:
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Bl]

melo is going to chicago.:pimp:

[smoovegittar]

[QUOTE=Bl

[Black and White]

The point is, Melo's been doing this for 10 years now and the furthest he's gotten is the WCF. He didn't even make the playoffs now. He's regressing.

So, CP3 is regressing too?

[Blue&Orange]

great news, Knicks not offering max to melo. :applause:

Melo needs to go to the Bulls, staying in the Knicks is just bad for him and the Knicks.

[ILLsmak]

My theory: Jackson doesn't think it's worth it to pay Anthony his full max. He would want Anthony back at a discounted rate and failing that would rather just rebuild from scratch. By quoting Melo his hope is that the PR backlash is lessened if/when Melo refuses to stay in NY for less.

X-Factor: Is Dolan willing to let Anthony walk if he can keep Anthony by paying that full max?

Somewhat, maybe, but I think it's more like Phil making his presence felt as well as seeking a true commitment from Melo. Plus, his cards were played in such a way that Melo would look like a dick for giving anything but a polite reply.

I think the Knicks could be at least a good playoff team next year assuming they keep Melo and really clean a lot of these other dudes out.

I have faith in Phil.

-Smak

[Ethem]

Melo's situation is not analogous to Duncan or Lebron's. They both took a pay cut so they could play (or continue playing) on a stacked team that is guaranteed to win 50 games and make a serious playoff run.

Jackson is asking Melo to take a play cut to stay on a terrible team, with no coach (as of right now), in a rebuilding phase, where they have no draft picks for years. Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to win, he'll take a pay cut, but go to some place that's not the Knicks. The Bulls would be amazing with Melo, especially if Rose comes back and is even just a fraction of his former self. The Bulls entire problem is offense. Melo and a healthy Rose or maybe another free agent playmaker solves that.

[Nuff Said]

Why aren't things like this discussed in private?

[DMAVS41]

Melo's situation is not analogous to Duncan or Lebron's. They both took a pay cut so they could play (or continue playing) on a stacked team that is guaranteed to win 50 games and make a serious playoff run.

Jackson is asking Melo to take a play cut to stay on a terrible team, with no coach (as of right now), in a rebuilding phase, where they have no draft picks for years. Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to win, he'll take a pay cut, but go to some place that's not the Knicks. The Bulls would be amazing with Melo, especially if Rose comes back and is even just a fraction of his former self. The Bulls entire problem is offense. Melo and a healthy Rose or maybe another free agent playmaker solves that.

Exactly.

I actually kind of feel for Melo a bit here...he's going to end up the villain no matter what, but he really should just leave. I actually think it's best for the Knicks and Melo to part ways.

Because Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol are likely not turning these Knicks into contenders...

[lilgodfather1]

Lol dudes gotta get dat money man. I can't blame him we are talking 10 million+ over the course of the deal, and this will be his last big contract. He should take the most money he can get imo. Screw the knicks I say, garbage team will be garbage no matter what he does.

[poido123]

I dont see Melo taking a pay cut to stay in NY.... He might to go to a team that is already either a contender or close enough to being one that he can turn into one. Sorry Phil, but Melo aint takin no pay cut to stay with the Knicks.


I think Phil knows this.

I think this is known as the subliminal push out the door.

I think Phil is taking the right approach here. No point keeping Melo around and affecting the team's future if Melo is still being payed max money to not even contend.

[oarabbus]

Why aren't things like this discussed in private?

Yeah seriously. Just imagine for any other job. Or even a coach. This would be unacceptable.

[G-train]

Well he can take an 20m paycut in NY or a 34m paycut somewhere else.
Or he can sign and trade full max in exchange for valuable pieces, or it doesn't happen.

[becken]

This is not strong arming, its called reality, if Melo wants to win in NY, then he must take a pay cut so Jackson can add legitimate talent around him.