Dwight the Type

[Laker Logic]

...a nicka to go into beast mode in the first quarter and then come up
missing once things get going.

Yeah, Harden is playing horrible and their coaching is atrocious but when you think about where game 2 went off the rails for Houston you have to start with that nonsensical, gimmicky, counterproductive "strategy" of feeding Howard in the post for the first 10 plays of the game or whatever it was.

Question 1: what did it accomplish? Howard got some buckets, it was great TV, Shaq probably rubbed one out by the 6 minute mark, aaaaaaaand it completely took Houston out of their style of play, pace and rhythm. It wasn't some five fingers of death move, they were basically trading buckets with Portland. It didn't force Portland out of their game (not once did they double him that I recall) and it didn't even energize Howard on D or on the boards, where that knucklehead should be expending 85% of his energy EVERY GAME.

Question 2 - Why did it happen? Where in the game 1 tape do you come away with the idea that what Houston needed to do was slow down the pace an establish itself in the post offensively? You cannot convince me that Houston didn't come out of the gate that way purely to appease Howard, who STILL for some reason thinks he's a reliable offensive focal point and had to have been demanding more touches to get so many times, so early.

I'm not gonna call him a bum, he's too physically gifted and imposing when he plays to his strengths. But I seriously can't think of another player in decades who was so singlemindedly committed to to being something he's not.

(To the posters who will undoubtedly claim I'm a bitter Laker fan, I was never big on them getting Howard in the first place for reasons that should be clear - look it up).

[K Xerxes]

Can't remember an ocassion when putting up 19 points on 8/9 shooting in the first quarter is criticised as much as this.

Laker logic indeed. Utterly embarrassing.

[Laker Logic]

Can't remember an ocassion when putting up 19 points on 8/9 shooting in the first quarter is criticised as much as this.

Yes, because as history has proved, the first 12 minutes are where the greats separate themselves from the rest of the league.

[alec613]

Whose alt is this, I wonder

[Laker Logic]

Whose alt is this, I wonder

Nobody's. I'm an original. Ask about me.

[Wally450]

Drake the type of ***** to lint roll his pants while court side at a playoff basketball game.

http://i.imgur.com/mocw8ta.gif

[gts]

Whose alt is this, I wonderHe's not an alt.. one of the better longtime posters.. you'd be wise to spend more tie paying attention to guys like him and less worrying about nonsensical stuff... You actually might learn something

[JohnStarks]

Dwight the type of nigguh to get a wanted star in Grand Theft Auto, drive to the police station and turn himself in.

[VIntageNOvel]

He's not an alt.. one of the better longtime posters.. you'd be wise to spend more tie paying attention to guys like him and less worrying about nonsensical stuff... You actually might learn something


this!

some ignorant came into the thread, didnt even read the OP, and start flaming because he thought OP is a lakers fans who's salty about dwight :facepalm

[K Xerxes]

Yes, because as history has proved, the first 12 minutes are where the greats separate themselves from the rest of the league.

Dwight is not held to that pedestal anymore. Since you believe he should not be a major factor on offense and is better reserved for a defensive and rebounding specialist, why even mention 'the greats'?

Of course, Houston should have instead jacked up threes in rhythm, although there is virtually no way they would have matched the production Dwight had in the first quarter. Because 19 points in the first quarter is apparently worthless now and doesn't contribute to about 20% of a team's final score.

What's amusing to me is that Dwight can't win. So when he puts up great stats and clearly showing effective offensive production while his team mates lay brick city, he is being selfish and taking them out of rhythm. When he doesn't, others will call him a non factor on offense.

The blame here lies with McHale's awful coaching and Harden not showing up. There is nothing Dwight can do about Harden shooting 14-47 in two games or McHale's lack of organisation and terrible rotations. No, let's blame Dwight though for taking his team mates out of rhythm even though he's the only one actually producing.

[gts]

During Howards first 4:50 on he floor he scored 12 points had 1 rebound and 2 pfs, the Rockets were -2 the only other payer to take a shot was Harden.
when he left the floor the rockets were +4 with him on the bench...
Howard came back in for his second stint of the first qtr and the Rockets were +8 in that stint in that 5:28 he only took three shot attempts making two but this time he also had 4 rebounds and an assist in that stint.

Which is the point in the OP, the Rockets are better when everyone is involved

[Laker Logic]

Dwight is not held to that pedestal anymore. Since you believe he should not be a major factor on offense and is better reserved for a defensive and rebounding specialist, why even mention 'the greats'?

It was sarcasm - a not subtle way of pointing out how silly it is to get carried away with Q1 production in a vacuum, without considering what a preferable alternative would have been. But you're making my point for me - he's not the guy to go out and dominate both ends of the floor, so nobody should pretend he is. He has the tools to be a world class defender/rebounder - a Russell, a Motumbo but for gods sake let's quit it with the "he's learning from Hakeem!" fantasies.



Of course, Houston should have instead jacked up threes in rhythm, although there is virtually no way they would have matched the production Dwight had in the first quarter. Because 19 points in the first quarter is apparently worthless now and doesn't contribute to about 20% of a team's final score.

It's the playoffs - too late to change your team identity for a BS gimmick that served nothing but Dwight's ego. LMA started and finished the game the same way. Midrange turnaround Js for the most part. That's who he is and what he does. You know it. I know it. His teammates know it and adjust their play accordingly. Who's Dwight?


What's amusing to me is that Dwight can't win.

Me too.


So when he puts up great stats and clearly showing effective offensive production while his team mates lay brick city, he is being selfish and taking them out of rhythm. When he doesn't, others will call him a non factor on offense.

Stop looking at the stats and look at the game. It was not a balanced, consistent night for Dwight (see LMA). It was an outburst of production early on that didn't last, didn't force adjustments from Portland, didn't carry over into his play on the other side of the ball, and didn't create better opportunities for the player they most need to get going offensively to succeed.



The blame here lies with McHale's awful coaching and Harden not showing up. There is nothing Dwight can do about Harden shooting 14-47 in two games or McHale's lack of organisation and terrible rotations. No, let's blame Dwight though for taking his team mates out of rhythm even though he's the only one actually producing.

A lot of the blame lies with McHale, and if it makes you feel better, go ahead and blame it all on him. But honest question - do you think feeding Dwight so blatantly is something McHale dreamed up to solve for some specific problem, or do you think it was more likely to appease Dwight's demands for more touches/more of an offensive role (which he has a documented history of doing)?

It was dumb, it has Howard essentially playing out of role if not position, and like I said, you can't convince me it wasn't done for Howard. If he'd kept it up I'd have nothing to say. If he was commanding doubles and kicking to perimeter players (Beverly or Parsons if not Harden), or passing out of the block to cutters for easy buckets I'd have nothing to say. If he was getting energized and daring Portland to come in the paint or making it his personal mission to lock up LMA...but he wasn't doing those things , because he's not that guy.

[Mrofir]

I completely agree with OP -- I mentioned this last night but my thread drowned in the flood of new threads after the game.

Even with an all time great like Shaq, opening with x amount of possessions feeding the ball down low is just a gimmick to massage ego. It's a cookie for the center to encourage them to do the things they need to do. The difference is when the Lakers used to do it with Shaq, they had Kobe and other extremely disciplined players who could get into their rhythm when the exercise was finished. This Rockets team can't/isn't doing that.

If you have a true inside/outside game the team assist numbers should be healthy. Center who's being fed should have 3-5 himself, and there should be many more off a second pass from the kick out. But there have been very few centers in league history actually capable of delivering good decisions this way.

Even on Dwight's finals run with Orlando, their assist percentage was 20th in the league. They got there by having great team defense.


As a comparison, Hakeem's assist average from 93-96 was about 3.5 per game, against roughly 3.5 turnovers. Shaq's assist numbers from the 3-peat were roughly the same, with the same TO ratio. Tim Duncan's CAREER assist avg is 3.1 against 2.5 TO. All great passing teams. Dwight's career assist/TO numbers are 1.5/3.1 -- He is not a good inside/outside player.

For D12 to help a team to a championship, he has to be a defensive anchor, grab 13 boards and block 2-3 shots a game. And he has to stop whining about being the focal point of the offense, period end of story.

[RightToCensor]

Nikkas out here mad af.

Writin essays and sh!t :lol

[Mr. Jabbar]

great post op :applause:

lets not forget this knuckle head also went out in stoopid foul trouble when his team needed him the most (as usual).

[Mr.Kite]

Dont' forget after scoring his 8 buckets in a row, this clown started getting stripped down low as usual.

[Dengness9]

Lakers fans still not over losing Dwight?

[Laker Logic]

Nikkas out here mad af.

Writin essays and sh!t :lol

Dwight the type a nicka to order soft serve in a cup and wait for it to melt so he can drink it with a silly straw.

[ZenMaster]

Agree with the OP.

One thing though, Shaq is messing with this guys head.
Dwight shouldn't be affected by media BS, but Shaq has been on TV for almost two years now talking about what Dwight can't do, what he should do, and how he should be doing it.

[Mr.Kite]

Agree with the OP.

One thing though, Shaq is messing with this guys head.
Dwight shouldn't be affected by media BS, but Shaq has been on TV for almost two years now talking about what Dwight can't do, what he should do, and how he should be doing it.

Shaq exposed this clown since the orlando days.

[gts]

Agree with the OP.

One thing though, Shaq is messing with this guys head.
Dwight shouldn't be affected by media BS, but Shaq has been on TV for almost two years now talking about what Dwight can't do, what he should do, and how he should be doing it.Hopefully he's not that mentally weak...

But fact is he is 2-10 in the playoffs since getting bounced by the Lakers in the Finals, sooner or later he's going to have to silence the critics and I don't believe that will happen as long as he thinks of himself as an offensive player first.. Dwight's a defensive player who can score, not an offensive weapon that happens to play some D

[ZenMaster]

Hopefully he's not that mentally weak...

But fact is he is 2-10 in the playoffs since getting bounced by the Lakers in the Finals, sooner or later he's going to have to silence the critics and I don't believe that will happen as long as he thinks of himself as an offensive player first.. Dwight's a defensive player who can score, not an offensive weapon that happens to play some D

This guy has what, 6 kids with multiple women? I wouldn't trust him to be reasonable.

With him and Shaq we can say he's mentally weak to be affected by his opinion, but I'm not going to lie, I think it would be hard to have Shaq talking about me like that for two years with the TNT platform he has. He's the last great center to retire, they played against each other etc.
Dwight set himself up for these failures, it's fun to watch.

[BlackVVaves]

I completely agree with OP -- I mentioned this last night but my thread drowned in the flood of new threads after the game.

Even with an all time great like Shaq, opening with x amount of possessions feeding the ball down low is just a gimmick to massage ego. It's a cookie for the center to encourage them to do the things they need to do. The difference is when the Lakers used to do it with Shaq, they had Kobe and other extremely disciplined players who could get into their rhythm when the exercise was finished. This Rockets team can't/isn't doing that.

If you have a true inside/outside game the team assist numbers should be healthy. Center who's being fed should have 3-5 himself, and there should be many more off a second pass from the kick out. But there have been very few centers in league history actually capable of delivering good decisions this way.

Even on Dwight's finals run with Orlando, their assist percentage was 20th in the league. They got there by having great team defense.


As a comparison, Hakeem's assist average from 93-96 was about 3.5 per game, against roughly 3.5 turnovers. Shaq's assist numbers from the 3-peat were roughly the same, with the same TO ratio. Tim Duncan's CAREER assist avg is 3.1 against 2.5 TO. All great passing teams. Dwight's career assist/TO numbers are 1.5/3.1 -- He is not a good inside/outside player.

For D12 to help a team to a championship, he has to be a defensive anchor, grab 13 boards and block 2-3 shots a game. And he has to stop whining about being the focal point of the offense, period end of story.

Most intellectually stirring post in this thread.

[Mr. Jabbar]

dwight is about to turn 30 and there is always something...; his post game, his free throws, the inside-out pass, his leadership, the foul trouble...its a lost cause guys, dwight is dwight. Real superstars do what is needed to outplay other teams within their limitations, dwight doesn't, he isn't a superstar, he is not a leader.

The problem with dwight is not dwight, dwight has always been dwight, but everyone thinking for 10 years he should be something he is not and will never be, and stupid gm's unable to see this giving him fat contracts

[Mr. Jabbar]

Lakers fans still not over losing Dwight?

:facepalm

[Laker Logic]

...to say he wants to be a leader and then get the same haircut as the other leader on his team.

[Mrofir]

Most intellectually stirring post in this thread.


:cheers:


To Jabbar I would say -- I basically agree with you but the frustrating thing about Dwight is that he has superstar potential, it's his personality and his insistence on identifying as an offensive superstar that has crushed his teams and his career potential.

[Mr. Jabbar]

To Jabbar I would say -- I basically agree with you but the frustrating thing about Dwight is that he has superstar potential, it's his personality and his insistence on identifying as an offensive superstar that has crushed his teams and his career potential.

yeah, not living up to his physical gifts and potential has been his downfall

it sucks to look like Tarzan and play like Jane as skip said :roll:

[Nick Young]

Dwight is not held to that pedestal anymore. Since you believe he should not be a major factor on offense and is better reserved for a defensive and rebounding specialist, why even mention 'the greats'?

Of course, Houston should have instead jacked up threes in rhythm, although there is virtually no way they would have matched the production Dwight had in the first quarter. Because 19 points in the first quarter is apparently worthless now and doesn't contribute to about 20% of a team's final score.

What's amusing to me is that Dwight can't win. So when he puts up great stats and clearly showing effective offensive production while his team mates lay brick city, he is being selfish and taking them out of rhythm. When he doesn't, others will call him a non factor on offense.

The blame here lies with McHale's awful coaching and Harden not showing up. There is nothing Dwight can do about Harden shooting 14-47 in two games or McHale's lack of organisation and terrible rotations. No, let's blame Dwight though for taking his team mates out of rhythm even though he's the only one actually producing.
Dwight can win-by leading his team to wins:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

Aldridge was tearing his team a new asshole. If Dwight truly wants to win and lead his team, he would have stepped up his D and start guarding aldridge every time down the court and shut him down.


ALSO he disappeared in the second half on both ends when he was needed most.

STATS DONT WIN TITLES.

[Nick Young]

Agree with the OP.

One thing though, Shaq is messing with this guys head.
Dwight shouldn't be affected by media BS, but Shaq has been on TV for almost two years now talking about what Dwight can't do, what he should do, and how he should be doing it.
If Howard listened to what Shaq said, Howard would be a better player and his team would be better too.

Shaq might piss alot of people off but if theres one thing he knows it's big man play.

D12 trying to prove Shaq wrong is damaging his teams chances.