Josh McRoberts fined 20k, foul upgraded to F2. Says it was unintetnional

[Solefade]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bobcats-josh-mcroberts-fined-20-210545170--nba.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter



how does this foul go from common foul in the game to F2? :biggums:



some foul play going on

[NumberSix]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/bobcats-josh-mcroberts-fined-20-210545170--nba.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter



how does this foul go from common foul in the game to F2? :biggums:



some foul play going on
Refs have been rigging against Miami for 2 years now.

[Mr.Kite]

a 265 pound dude running full speed at you, you gotta put up ur arms in a horizontal. Its not like he swung his elbow at his through.

The league trying to get the heat out of the first round as usual.

[kaiteng]

Because LeBron,

[Genaro]

NBA is too soft now days.

[russwest0]

Because LeBron,

This.

[BlackVVaves]

a 265 pound dude running full speed at you, you gotta put up ur arms in a horizontal. Its not like he swung his elbow at his through.

The league trying to get the heat out of the first round as usual.

This.

With that being said, I'm fine with the fine (lul).

[BigBoss]

How much is a fine if you f5 someone?

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

McRoberts knew LeBron was going for a dunk, so he said, "Do not want. My elbow's too pointy."

[J Shuttlesworth]

He didn't even go after the ball. If this happened to Durant, it would've been called a flagrant 2 on the spot, and the he'd be kicked out for the remainder of the playoffs.

[Jameerthefear]

No one should be debating this. If this happened to Jameer or Oladipo I would be livid. You can't just elbow people in the neck.

[NumberSix]

He didn't even go after the ball. If this happened to Durant, it would've been called a flagrant 2 on the spot, and the he'd be kicked out for the remainder of the playoffs.
Dude, even if he did go for the ball, if his elbow incidentally touched Durants throat it would be an flagrant 2.

[Relinquish]

He didn't even go after the ball. If this happened to Durant, it would've been called a flagrant 2 on the spot, and the he'd be kicked out for the remainder of the playoffs.

Sadly, this is probably true. :lol

[kamil]

LeBron*s acting after the hit was amazing. Dude couldn't make up his mind on what hurt, how to sell it, how to grimace...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjl3zOYPbRg

This guy is such a piece of shit.

[rufuspaul]

LeBron completely stiff armed MKG in the first game, blatantly pushed him out of the way and MKG got called for the foul, twice. The way the refs are with the Heat I'm surprised McRoberts wasn't arrested on the spot.

[Solefade]

He didn't even go after the ball. If this happened to Durant, it would've been called a flagrant 2 on the spot, and the he'd be kicked out for the remainder of the playoffs.


the NBA: where being weak and skinny benefits you more than being buff and strong :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

the NBA: where being weak and skinny benefits you more than being buff and strong :oldlol:
Only the weak survive.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I'm pretty sure Joey Crawford would be performing CPR on KD after the elbow contact

[DuMa]

so is he suspended for game 3 or the next time he does a flagrant of any kind, he will be kicked out?

[J Shuttlesworth]

LeBron*s acting after the hit was amazing. Dude couldn't make up his mind on what hurt, how to sell it, how to grimace...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjl3zOYPbRg

This guy is such a piece of shit.
If you don't mind, I'd like to elbow you in the throat and see how alpha you are after it.

[Nuff Said]

Where's the suspension?

[USABall]

lol at that initially being called a common foul...

nobody lunges at somebody with the middle of their forearm when attempting to make a basketball play

[Kblaze8855]

While on many players it would be a flagrant 2 on the spot because they wouldnt take the hit so in stride....its still just a foul in the league id like to watch. Maybe a flagrant 1 if you must....but Lebron was fine. I hate seeing people lay around trying to make shit look worse than it was.

Ive literally seen a 70 year old man fall off a roof and be on his feet faster than Lebron getting hit playing ball.

If you didnt take a shot in the balls or tear up your knee...get the hell up. Lebron takes that hit without cameras around hes on his feet right away.

[kamil]

If you don't mind, I'd like to elbow you in the throat and see how alpha you are after it.

If I'm LeBron*s size and strength? Easy. And it wasn't exactly his ELBOW it more his arm. You're making it seem as if the very point of his elbow lunged into his throat. It didn't.

[Solefade]

While on many players it would be a flagrant 2 on the spot because they wouldnt take the hit so in stride....its still just a foul in the league id like to watch. Maybe a flagrant 1 if you must....but Lebron was fine. I hate seeing people lay around trying to make shit look worse than it was.

Ive literally seen a 70 year old man fall off a roof and be on his feet faster than Lebron getting hit playing ball.

If you didnt take a shot in the balls or tear up your knee...get the hell up. Lebron takes that hit without cameras around hes on his feet right away.

so because lebron is strong, and can withstand more hits than most players a flying elbow to the throat shouldn't be a flagrant 2? you think he should just shrug it off and not try to sell it? i don't condone flopping but if you were him wouldn't you think that's counter productive? he got his nose broken in one of the biggest nationally televised regular season games this year in OKC and didn't even get a look from the ref and that has been kind of a trend lately...

[russwest0]

He didn't even go after the ball. If this happened to Durant, it would've been called a flagrant 2 on the spot, and the he'd be kicked out for the remainder of the playoffs.

Ah, yes. Because surely no one has ever been called for a flagrant 2 on the spot for merely pushing LeBron.

[J Shuttlesworth]

If I'm LeBron*s size and strength? Easy. And it wasn't exactly his ELBOW it more his arm. You're making it seem as if the very point of his elbow lunged into his throat. It didn't.
I didn't know guys who weighed 260 had workouts for their throats. What kind of throat muscle exercises are out there? Enlighten me, brethren.

If you can't see how taking a hit to the throat when your running full speed will **** up anyone, you are seriously retarded. I get you're a LeBron hater, but if this happened to you, you would be hospitalized.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Ah, yes. Because surely no one has ever been called for a flagrant 2 on the spot for merely pushing LeBron.
This idiot doesn't even know the rules for flagrant 2's :facepalm

[HiphopRelated]

While on many players it would be a flagrant 2 on the spot because they wouldnt take the hit so in stride....its still just a foul in the league id like to watch. Maybe a flagrant 1 if you must....but Lebron was fine. I hate seeing people lay around trying to make shit look worse than it was.

Ive literally seen a 70 year old man fall off a roof and be on his feet faster than Lebron getting hit playing ball.

If you didnt take a shot in the balls or tear up your knee...get the hell up. Lebron takes that hit without cameras around hes on his feet right away.
Lol @ "get up" when you can barely breathe

[navy]

LeBron completely stiff armed MKG in the first game, blatantly pushed him out of the way and MKG got called for the foul, twice. The way the refs are with the Heat I'm surprised McRoberts wasn't arrested on the spot.
If the refs are with the Heat why didnt they call this obvious flagrant foul so they Heat would be guaranteed a win?

Im tired of people complaining about the Heat. Here you are bitching about the refs after they helped save the Bobcats from what was definitely a game ending foul.

The refs suck, but they aren't rigging the game so the Heat will win. The Bobcats just suck. You dont lose 18 straight to the same team by coincidence.

[kamil]

I didn't know guys who weighed 260 had workouts for their throats. What kind of throat muscle exercises are out there? Enlighten me, brethren.

If you can't see how taking a hit to the throat when your running full speed will **** up anyone, you are seriously retarded. I get you're a LeBron hater, but if this happened to you, you would be hospitalized.

So why wasn't LeBron* hospitalized?

[navy]

If I'm LeBron*s size and strength? Easy. And it wasn't exactly his ELBOW it more his arm. You're making it seem as if the very point of his elbow lunged into his throat. It didn't.

He got hit in the throat. Lebron must be ripped like crazy in that area. No way that hurt. :facepalm

[tommy3]

How the **** do size and strength matter when you're getting hit in the neck?

[KOBEtherealKing]

LeBron*s acting after the hit was amazing. Dude couldn't make up his mind on what hurt, how to sell it, how to grimace...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjl3zOYPbRg

This guy is such a piece of shit.

i hate when lebron is overdramatic when being fouled hard :lol

[bdreason]

While on many players it would be a flagrant 2 on the spot because they wouldnt take the hit so in stride....its still just a foul in the league id like to watch. Maybe a flagrant 1 if you must....but Lebron was fine. I hate seeing people lay around trying to make shit look worse than it was.

Ive literally seen a 70 year old man fall off a roof and be on his feet faster than Lebron getting hit playing ball.

If you didnt take a shot in the balls or tear up your knee...get the hell up. Lebron takes that hit without cameras around hes on his feet right away.


The strange part for me is that I was always raised and taught to never show weakness to your opponents. Guys these days have no shame in rolling around on the ground like they just got shot even after light/moderate contact.

[BBallZen83]

Kamil, come on. Chill your shiet. It was obviously not a play on the ball. Of course Lebron sold the call a bit. Who wouldn't. You reward players in the league for selling crap, so they are going to sell it. It doesn't change the fact that McRoberts stuck his forearm out at Lebron's throat, creating a potentially dangerous situation. Not a play on the ball, potentially dangerous contact. Flagrant 2. Easy call. Should have been made during the game.

[J Shuttlesworth]

How the **** do size and strength matter when you're getting hit in the neck?
ask kamil. Apparently he can take a lot of hits to the neck. Must have been from all the deepthroating he's done.

[Solefade]

So why wasn't LeBron* hospitalized?


god you're so obviously salty about lebron it's hilarious

[Kblaze8855]

so because lebron is strong, and can withstand more hits than most players a flying elbow to the throat shouldn't be a flagrant 2?

Id say a good rule would be...make it relative. Use your common sense.

If Steph Curry puts the same effort into hitting Demarcus Cousins that cousins puts into hitting him....Cousins might not even react...but Curry is going down.

Is it "fair" to call one a flagrant 1 and one a flagrant 2? No.

Is it probably going down that way? Yep.

But in what walk of life is fairness expected?

When im playing ball with some teenagers they are more phjysical with me than I am with them. And its expected.

It applies all over the game. You dont see guys get the offensive foul when they attempt to shove a guy out of the way and fail....he tried just as hard...lacked the strength to dislodge. So it isnt a foul.

No set rule that would apply in all situations. has to be look at case by case.


you think he should just shrug it off and not try to sell it? i don't condone flopping but if you were him wouldn't you think that's counter productive?

So you dont condone flopping unless its productive?

Just say you condone flopping. Im sure that it being effective is why anyone does it.

Why else?


he got his nose broken in one of the biggest nationally televised regular season games this year in OKC and didn't even get a look from the ref and that has been kind of a trend lately...

He got fouled and it wasnt called.

What about it?

He isnt the first to take a hit that was missed.

He stood tall and walked off like most could in that situation if they arent trying to get ref points laying on the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaVAL3DBauU


Carl Landry had 3 teeth knocked out...one of his teeth literally lodged in Dirks arm(Dirk went to the back to have it removed after shooting the Ft left handed).

He walks off without a complaint.

Im not trying to see one of the greatest physical specimens in world history rolling on the ground.....

[Kblaze8855]

Actually looking back...he didnt stand tall and walk it off. He rolled on the ground then too.

I wonder when people see such things how weak do they think the human body actually is?

Ive seen people break a nose get up and laugh with the blood running. And when I say people...I mean children.

Ive never broken my nose...but I have broken my leg playing HS football.

I was not carried off the field.

http://i58.tinypic.com/9jmah2.jpg

I cant imagine the kind of cramp one must get to need to be carried away. Its just.....I cant wrap my head around it.

If humans reacted that way to cramps when we were still hunter gatherers the species would have gone extinct.

[kamil]

Kamil, come on. Chill your shiet. It was obviously not a play on the ball. Of course Lebron sold the call a bit. Who wouldn't. You reward players in the league for selling crap, so they are going to sell it. It doesn't change the fact that McRoberts stuck his forearm out at Lebron's throat, creating a potentially dangerous situation. Not a play on the ball, potentially dangerous contact. Flagrant 2. Easy call. Should have been made during the game.

I'm not disputing it not being a flagrant. I agree with the call. I DONT AGREE WITH LEBRON* DISRESPECTING THE GAME with his acting.

I fvcking hate players with zero integrity and thats exactly why I can't stand LeBron* that piece of shit.

[Solefade]

Id say a good rule would be...make it relative. Use your common sense.

If Steph Curry puts the same effort into hitting Demarcus Cousins that cousins puts into hitting him....Cousins might not even react...but Curry is going down.

Is it "fair" to call one a flagrant 1 and one a flagrant 2? No.

Is it probably going down that way? Yep.

But in what walk of life is fairness expected?

When im playing ball with some teenagers they are more phjysical with me than I am with them. And its expected.

It applies all over the game. You dont see guys get the offensive foul when they attempt to shove a guy out of the way and fail....he tried just as hard...lacked the strength to dislodge. So it isnt a foul.

No set rule that would apply in all situations. has to be look at case by case.



So you dont condone flopping unless its productive?

Just say you condone flopping. Im sure that it being effective is why anyone does it.

Why else?



He got fouled and it wasnt called.

What about it?

He isnt the first to take a hit that was missed.

He stood tall and walked off like most could in that situation if they arent trying to get ref points laying on the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaVAL3DBauU


Carl Landry had 3 teeth knocked out...one of his teeth literally lodged in Dirks arm(Dirk went to the back to have it removed after shooting the Ft left handed).

He walks off without a complaint.

Im not trying to see one of the greatest physical specimens in world history rolling on the ground.....



meanwhile KD is getting every single touch foul called....and what i meant was i don't condone flopping but i get why people do it and especially lebron when he's been getting hosed on calls lately

[Solefade]

I'm not disputing it not being a flagrant. I agree with the call. I DONT AGREE WITH LEBRON* DISRESPECTING THE GAME with his acting.

I fvcking hate players with zero integrity and thats exactly why I can't stand LeBron* that piece of shit.


lol as if lebron is the only one that flops/sells fouls in the league

[Kblaze8855]

Yes...Durant gets a lot of calls Lebron wouldnt.

But you have to play the game. Someone else being a ho doesnt mean you have to do it.

But I wont even use the Heat playing 2K if the other guy picks the Thunder and I know hes gonna KD me to death.

Id rather lose playing fairly than win acting like a bitch.

I know the stakes are higher for them...its the job/life/whatever.

Fine.

Its just cringe inducing to see.

[Rose'sACL]

The strange part for me is that I was always raised and taught to never show weakness to your opponents. Guys these days have no shame in rolling around on the ground like they just got shot even after light/moderate contact.
your definition of weakness is a wrong one. showing weakness is relative to what you plan to do.
Some players get calls in their favor by fouling when ref isn't looking and some people flop to get a call. how is selling a call a weakness when you are one of the best at taking hits and still finishing? i am more surprised that he hasn't flopped much this year given how little melo and lebron have been respected by the refs this year.
Melo should sell the hits he takes too otherwise he would not get the calls. Superstars during the pistons era bitched so much that rules were changed and that is why flagrant fouls are called now a days.

[Rose'sACL]

Yes...Durant gets a lot of calls Lebron wouldnt.

But you have to play the game. Someone else being a ho doesnt mean you have to do it.

But I wont even use the Heat playing 2K if the other guy picks the Thunder and I know hes gonna KD me to death.

Id rather lose playing fairly than win acting like a bitch.

I know the stakes are higher for them...its the job/life/whatever.

Fine.

Its just cringe inducing to see.
you win. the only people who complain about others bending the rules are the ones who are very image conscious.
Pistons bent the rules and people don't bitch about that. people called those plays manly. i didn't have the problems with those pistons and i don't have a problem with flopping as long as league doesn't change the rules.
If league suspends players for flopping then i would have a problem with it because it would be a dumb play. Setting an illegal screen that isn't called a foul is a good play but if league changes the rules that if you set more than 2 illegal screens then you would be thrown out of the game then it is a dumb play.

[JebronLames]

Actually looking back...he didnt stand tall and walk it off. He rolled on the ground then too.

I wonder when people see such things how weak do they think the human body actually is?

Ive seen people break a nose get up and laugh with the blood running. And when I say people...I mean children.

Ive never broken my nose...but I have broken my leg playing HS football.

I was not carried off the field.

http://i58.tinypic.com/9jmah2.jpg

I cant imagine the kind of cramp one must get to need to be carried away. Its just.....I cant wrap my head around it.

If humans reacted that way to cramps when we were still hunter gatherers the species would have gone extinct.
You are a narcissist. That is the problem with your thinking. You think the world revolves around you. If you start being more considerate, you may see things differently.

[steve]

Good god, this needs to stop. It takes about 5 lbs of force to crush a person's larynx, that's why someone flying at another person with an elbow or forearm (it doesn't matter which) is so dangerous. And with speed of the play as it was happening there was more that 5 lbs force being applied. In situations like that, there's no telling how close a player is to having permanent damage done to them. So any nonsense about Lebron flopping or not getting up quick enough when got a ****ing forearm to throat is some utter bullshit.

[LakersForlife]

that was nasty. and it was called a common foul? rofl i hope sexy bron is ok

[Trollsmasher]

I don't care whether you are 150 or 260 lbs, but getting hit in the throat by an elbow with an opposite momentum is a dangerous play. Crushed windpipe anyone?

McRoberts should not be fined, because LeBron was moderately fine? Sure, let's not fine so he can do it again next time, perhaps on some person with "weaker neck muscles" as some would say in this thread. Because that was totally intentional and there was aboslutely no effort in that move to do anything else but go after James' neck/head.

[LakersForlife]

this tough guys in the forum. a ****in forearm in the neck will **** you up

[Marlo_Stanfield]

however debates this decision is a deranged psychopath:facepalm

[FaceSmack]

:biggums:

what a pu$$y lebron is

hopefully next time someone like biyombo actually punches him in the face while driving to the rim

that'll teach him

[Solefade]

:biggums:

what a pu$$y lebron is

hopefully next time someone like biyombo actually punches him in the face while driving to the rim

that'll teach him

been there done that

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/4032439/lenose.gif

:pimp:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Can people stop replying to that retard kamil?

On related note, he has done this before too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6aepD8p32Y&t=1m30s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK5eNSWFB4o

[Dengness9]

http://www.lebronshames.com/dirtylaundry/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/peepingwade.jpg

[Kblaze8855]

I dont get why people take such offense or pretend they dont know it when they see it.

Being a fan doesnt have to blind.

Im a Bulls fan. But guess what?

Scottie Pippen wasnt above flopping. Rodman flopped all the time. Taj is willing to flop. Noah at times.

Being a fan doesnt mean I have to pretend its something it isnt.

You can call it smart. Its effective.

I dont know how anyone see it and doesnt scoff at least a little.

[Kblaze8855]

You are a narcissist. That is the problem with your thinking. You think the world revolves around you. If you start being more considerate, you may see things differently.


I absolutely am a narcissist. Doesnt mean that a cramp requires being carried off.

If you cant acknowledge that you have either never had a cramp or your fanhood clouds the obvious.

I dont think Lebron is soft. I think hes an actor. Too many people deal with real trauma without exaggeration for me to believe a person of his physical standing is incapacitated so easily.

If Lebron never played in the league and gets hit the way he does now playing street ball is he rolling on the ground? No. Its a pride issue. People get up. Walk it off. Hes on the ground...acting like a bitch.

What is someone even thinking about in that situation? Just...rolling on the ground? I bet the internal monologue in their minds is hilarious.

Real talk...can one of you tell me what happens during a shoulder dislocation to justify being removed via wheelchair?

http://espn.go.com/photo/2007/0221/nba_ap_wade_275.jpg

People in the real world have had an arm blown OFF.....and pick it up with the other hand and walk off.

But we have guys 6'4'' 230 near the peak of human athletic ability and health....rolled away in a wheelchair with a shoulder injury?

These dudes are making Mt.Everest out of ant hills just to get attention but I need to be more considerate....

Im compassionate when dealing with people who are deserving of it.

Guy making 20 million to play basketball being literally carried off with a charlie horse is not one of those people.

[red1]

lebron is embarrassingly soft

[ballup]

I believe McBob if he says it wasn't intentional

[Rose'sACL]

I absolutely am a narcissist. Doesnt mean that a cramp requires being carried off.

If you cant acknowledge that you have either never had a cramp or your fanhood clouds the obvious.

I dont think Lebron is soft. I think hes an actor. Too many people deal with real trauma without exaggeration for me to believe a person of his physical standing is incapacitated so easily.

If Lebron never played in the league and gets hit the way he does now playing street ball is he rolling on the ground? No. Its a pride issue. People get up. Walk it off. Hes on the ground...acting like a bitch.

What is someone even thinking about in that situation? Just...rolling on the ground? I bet the internal monologue in their minds is hilarious.

Real talk...can one of you tell me what happens during a shoulder dislocation to justify being removed via wheelchair?

http://espn.go.com/photo/2007/0221/nba_ap_wade_275.jpg

People in the real world have had an arm blown OFF.....and pick it up with the other hand and walk off.

But we have guys 6'4'' 230 near the peak of human athletic ability and health....rolled away in a wheelchair with a shoulder injury?

These dudes are making Mt.Everest out of ant hills just to get attention but I need to be more considerate....

Im compassionate when dealing with people who are deserving of it.

Guy making 20 million to play basketball being literally carried off with a charlie horse is not one of those people.
LoL@those examples. if you tell people that the doctor would take less money if you acted like you are in more pain than you really are then those people would act too but because people have nothing to gain by doing that, they don't do it.
Basketball players try to gain a call in their team's favor by selling the foul. how can you not understand this? or are you just naive?

[Kblaze8855]

Who said I didnt understand it?

I said its cringeworthy to watch.

Is there one person here who doesnt mind seeing people they know are fine pretending otherwise and dragging out a game thats already full of stoppages?

Who ISNT annoyed by that?

Im not watching to see some guy pretend to be injured or roll on the floor whining for a call.

[JebronLames]

I absolutely am a narcissist. Doesnt mean that a cramp requires being carried off.

If you cant acknowledge that you have either never had a cramp or your fanhood clouds the obvious.

I dont think Lebron is soft. I think hes an actor. Too many people deal with real trauma without exaggeration for me to believe a person of his physical standing is incapacitated so easily.

If Lebron never played in the league and gets hit the way he does now playing street ball is he rolling on the ground? No. Its a pride issue. People get up. Walk it off. Hes on the ground...acting like a bitch.

What is someone even thinking about in that situation? Just...rolling on the ground? I bet the internal monologue in their minds is hilarious.

Real talk...can one of you tell me what happens during a shoulder dislocation to justify being removed via wheelchair?

http://espn.go.com/photo/2007/0221/nba_ap_wade_275.jpg

People in the real world have had an arm blown OFF.....and pick it up with the other hand and walk off.

But we have guys 6'4'' 230 near the peak of human athletic ability and health....rolled away in a wheelchair with a shoulder injury?

These dudes are making Mt.Everest out of ant hills just to get attention but I need to be more considerate....

Im compassionate when dealing with people who are deserving of it.

Guy making 20 million to play basketball being literally carried off with a charlie horse is not one of those people.
Being a narcissist hurts your credibility. You only know how to relate things to your own personal experience. There are some things that happen to people, and these things aren't related to you. You think all cramps are the same as the cramps you've had. They are not. Your example with the arm is a bad example. You're logic is also terrible.

[Kblaze8855]

No. all cramps are not the same. Few things are exactly replicated. Doesnt mean similar experiences dont happen.

And anyone who lived a normal life has had worse pain than a damn cramp. Be realistic. I dont care what you call it...sciatica hurts worse than a cramp. Im in the damn emergency room standing for 3 hours because I cant sit or lay down...get a shot in my back and weeks of muscle relaxers. It hurt worse than my broken leg did. A lot worse. And I can still feel it now....over a year later.

Narcissism or whatever you wish to label it...I will not accept that a leg cramp is more debilitating. And ive had bad leg cramps just as you and everyone else here has.

This is just a case of fanhood overwhelming common sense.

In ANY other walk of life a man like Lebron gets a cramp he walk it off.

A man like Wade hurts his shoulder he is not rolled away in a wheelchair.

That isnt narcissism. Thats an honest evaluation of humanity.

Humans are NOT that easily taken out. And it takes nothing but living a normal life to see it.

This world is too full of normal people not being shaken by real trauma to keep pretending these pampered athletes have it bad over a leg cramp.

[Kblaze8855]

And for the record I assume the reason he was carried was to quickly get to the back for treatment to get back into the game. But a cramp is a pain issue. It isnt a torn ____.

And if you are playing basketball a moment later im gonna go on and assume you are ok. Just hurting. Which is...the human condition. I will not pretend a cramp is more than it is because it happens to someone on tv.

[r15mohd]

And for the record I assume the reason he was carried was to quickly get to the back for treatment to get back into the game. But a cramp is a pain issue. It isnt a torn ____.

And if you are playing basketball a moment later im gonna go on and assume you are ok. Just hurting. Which is...the human condition. I will not pretend a cramp is more than it is because it happens to someone on tv.

your posts mean nothing, as it is all speculation and opinion based...and just a quick reference to medical sites proves how much lack of "value" all of which you posted is pretty much nonsense


"There are a variety of types and causes of muscle cramps."
Link: http://www.medicinenet.com/muscle_cramps/article.htm

"Muscle cramps can last anywhere from a few seconds to a quarter of an hour or occasionally longer. It is not uncommon for a cramp to recur multiple times until it finally resolves. The cramp may involve a part of a muscle, the entire muscle, or several muscles that usually act together, such as those that flex adjacent fingers."
Link: http://www.medicinenet.com/muscle_cramps/page2.htm


how certain are you that what you saw on tv is EXACTLY what happened to you? there is no certainty and it is also well known that a cramp to your calf, in general, makes it extremely difficult to walk. this combats your notion that being carried off the court because of a cramp isn't justified. :facepalm

[BigTicket]

Andrew Bynum got ejected and suspended for 5 games when he commited a similar foul on Barea in the 2011 playoffs, the refs really should be more consistent.

[Penny37]

Kblaze, I'm normally a fan of you on this board but you're just plain wrong about the cramps.

I've had cramps during some doubleheaders of competitive ball or tournament ball that were excruciatingly painful. I have a decent pain tolerance but I couldn't even move. I had to be carried off and eventually after 5-10 excruciating minutes it loosened up.

No way I would even think about being able to walk off on my own.

In my experience of playing ball I've seen plenty of guys get cramps and had to be taken off. Okay, not plenty.. But a good 5-10 people

[20Four]

Kblaze, I'm normally a fan of you on this board but you're just plain wrong about the cramps.

I've had cramps during some doubleheaders of competitive ball or tournament ball that were excruciatingly painful. I have a decent pain tolerance but I couldn't even move. I had to be carried off and eventually after 5-10 excruciating minutes it loosened up.

No way I would even think about being able to walk off on my own.

In my experience of playing ball I've seen plenty of guys get cramps and had to be taken off. Okay, not plenty.. But a good 5-10 people
Lebron is soft....plain and simple...Kobe plays through his injuries......no matter what it is...he ****ed up his Achilles and he still played a little bit....come on now.....

[chosen_one6]

No. all cramps are not the same. Few things are exactly replicated. Doesnt mean similar experiences dont happen.

And anyone who lived a normal life has had worse pain than a damn cramp. Be realistic. I dont care what you call it...sciatica hurts worse than a cramp. Im in the damn emergency room standing for 3 hours because I cant sit or lay down...get a shot in my back and weeks of muscle relaxers. It hurt worse than my broken leg did. A lot worse. And I can still feel it now....over a year later.

Narcissism or whatever you wish to label it...I will not accept that a leg cramp is more debilitating. And ive had bad leg cramps just as you and everyone else here has.

This is just a case of fanhood overwhelming common sense.

In ANY other walk of life a man like Lebron gets a cramp he walk it off.

A man like Wade hurts his shoulder he is not rolled away in a wheelchair.

That isnt narcissism. Thats an honest evaluation of humanity.

Humans are NOT that easily taken out. And it takes nothing but living a normal life to see it.

This world is too full of normal people not being shaken by real trauma to keep pretending these pampered athletes have it bad over a leg cramp.

Just because you haven't experienced a cramp that's painful enough to debilitate you does not mean others have not.

I've personally never had a cramp from playing ball in my life, but I've seen it happen to other people and that shit looks like it hurts a lot.

Then you have to remember everyone's pain threshold is different, even professional athletes.

[red1]

Lebron is soft....plain and simple...Kobe plays through his injuries......no matter what it is...he ****ed up his Achilles and he still played a little bit....come on now.....
kobe is a bitch too. dont get ahead of yourself

[20Four]

kobe is a bitch too. dont get ahead of yourself
You dont see him flopping like lebron....someone whos 265 needs to flop? come on now...

[Solefade]

yup when you have a cramp though it's not a serious long term injury, you're pretty much done for the day and the only way to recover from it is time and rest

[red1]

You dont see him flopping like lebron....someone whos 265 needs to flop? come on now...
you dont see lebron snitching on his teammates. someone who can get all the p*ssy in the world getting jealous and ratting out a teammate? come on now

[kshutts1]

From the linked article in OP: "James immediately began grabbing at his throat and needed much longer than he usually does to get up after a hard foul, which was not called flagrant."

Embellishment is mine.. for the giggles.

[Solefade]

You dont see him flopping like lebron....someone whos 265 needs to flop? come on now...

http://cdn.niketalk.com/9/9e/9e42f442_kobe-flop-o.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

Kblaze normally a great poster, but I guess he hasnt had too many cramps.... So wrong regarding that topic, so wrong.

[20Four]

http://cdn.niketalk.com/9/9e/9e42f442_kobe-flop-o.gif
http://i.minus.com/ii0VgsLZxzHOF.gif

[plowking]

I absolutely am a narcissist. Doesnt mean that a cramp requires being carried off.

If you cant acknowledge that you have either never had a cramp or your fanhood clouds the obvious.

I dont think Lebron is soft. I think hes an actor. Too many people deal with real trauma without exaggeration for me to believe a person of his physical standing is incapacitated so easily.

If Lebron never played in the league and gets hit the way he does now playing street ball is he rolling on the ground? No. Its a pride issue. People get up. Walk it off. Hes on the ground...acting like a bitch.

What is someone even thinking about in that situation? Just...rolling on the ground? I bet the internal monologue in their minds is hilarious.

Real talk...can one of you tell me what happens during a shoulder dislocation to justify being removed via wheelchair?

http://espn.go.com/photo/2007/0221/nba_ap_wade_275.jpg

People in the real world have had an arm blown OFF.....and pick it up with the other hand and walk off.

But we have guys 6'4'' 230 near the peak of human athletic ability and health....rolled away in a wheelchair with a shoulder injury?

These dudes are making Mt.Everest out of ant hills just to get attention but I need to be more considerate....

Im compassionate when dealing with people who are deserving of it.

Guy making 20 million to play basketball being literally carried off with a charlie horse is not one of those people.


Yes, I'm sure most of them would get up straight away. If they weren't 100 million dollar investments... Every precaution needs to be taken to take care of their investment.

[Solefade]

http://i.minus.com/ii0VgsLZxzHOF.gif


but you just said kobe doesn't flop like lebron :confusedshrug:




you are obviously lying

[red1]

Kblaze normally a great poster, but I guess he hasnt had too many cramps.... So wrong regarding that topic, so wrong.
Lebron is a diva who exaggerates contact and likes to act for the camera. Would it surprise you if he was doing the same thing in the case of his cramp?

[ballup]

Andrew Bynum got ejected and suspended for 5 games when he commited a similar foul on Barea in the 2011 playoffs, the refs really should be more consistent.
You really have foggy memory then.

[Solefade]

Lebron is a diva who exaggerates contact and likes to act for the camera. Would it surprise you if he was doing the same thing in the case of his cramp?


you obviously can't tell how severe the cramp was so there could have been some acting but cramps are no joke

[a1984volvo]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Nazr-Mohammed-Pushes-LeBron-James-to-Ground.gif



Just so we are clear, this was not a flop.

[SIRI1]

Dont care how big you are, you take a forearm to the throat from an equally big dude, its gonna hurt

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmFUAYQIIAEUwQg.jpg


McRoberts did the same thing to Lebron in a game in 2012

3:52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2_PIF2Lfes

[dude77]

I'm likin' mcbob :applause:

[sejoon101]

Some of you guys are literally trying to justify that cramps are bad and bran prob was in enough pain etc etc... mind is shattered...:facepalm

[All Net]

Heat aren't happy

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Too bad Lebron was coughing up blood
that was just a common foul. Heat Refs working behind the scenes too SMH

[Simple Jack]

Treating players differently because of their strength and size (like the earlier Cousins/Curry example) just promotes more flopping. It should be a policy reason alone that calls should be made objectively based on contact, not on the result, if for just that reason alone.

[eriX]

No. all cramps are not the same. Few things are exactly replicated. Doesnt mean similar experiences dont happen.

And anyone who lived a normal life has had worse pain than a damn cramp. Be realistic. I dont care what you call it...sciatica hurts worse than a cramp. Im in the damn emergency room standing for 3 hours because I cant sit or lay down...get a shot in my back and weeks of muscle relaxers. It hurt worse than my broken leg did. A lot worse. And I can still feel it now....over a year later.

Narcissism or whatever you wish to label it...I will not accept that a leg cramp is more debilitating. And ive had bad leg cramps just as you and everyone else here has.

This is just a case of fanhood overwhelming common sense.

In ANY other walk of life a man like Lebron gets a cramp he walk it off.

A man like Wade hurts his shoulder he is not rolled away in a wheelchair.

That isnt narcissism. Thats an honest evaluation of humanity.

Humans are NOT that easily taken out. And it takes nothing but living a normal life to see it.

This world is too full of normal people not being shaken by real trauma to keep pretending these pampered athletes have it bad over a leg cramp.

having a cramp is not about the pain... its the inability to move your muscles because they are cramped... not hard to understand when you cant walk because your muscles are stiff... I've had both my calves cramp pretty severely at the same time and i tried to stand up but i cant because my calves wont support me... I had to sit there for a good 10 - 20 minutes whilst getting stretched out. So next time you have a cramp good luck trying to walk it off because it doesnt happen that way.

And why should curry flagrant fouling cousins be a flagrant 1 instead of 2? A rule is suppose to enforce an action. If the enforcement is relative then it isnt a rule it becomes a guideline and you can't enforce a guideline...

You're a great poster kblaze but I just dont agree with you on this one.