OKC GM needs to trade Westbrook and tell Durant to go MJ-mode

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Westbrook is a great player, yes, I understand.

But he's holding KD back. Durant is a far greater talent than he is displaying every night. The ball needs to be in his hands a lot more and in better offensive schemes, period.

They need to trade Westbrook for good pieces around Durant, then tell the Durantula to go MJ-mode and dominate the team's offense. Surround KD with good talent, a few guys who can create their own shot and score type of role players. That $15million that's going to Westbrook should go somewhere else.

Get a legit pass-first PG that will play defense, hit 3's, and be a solid all around shooter and distribute, but that's it.

Then get a legit post threat.

Westbrook is holding Durant back from his true greatness.

[oh the horror]

He's shown he can do it without WB too

They need a low post presence in the worst way.



WB could score them some good pieces too if they wanted to do that.

[Combat Wombat]

Westbrook is a great player, yes, I understand.

But he's holding KD back. Durant is a far greater talent than he is displaying every night. The ball needs to be in his hands a lot more, period.

They need to trade Westbrook for good pieces around Durant, then tell the Durantula to go MJ-mode and dominate the team's offense. Surround KD with good talent, a few guys who can create their own shot and score type of role players.

Westbrook is holding Durant back from his true greatness.

100% correct. Great player but some of the decisions he makes and the shots he takes are atrocious. Another thing they need to do is amnesty that fat pig, Perkins.

[Mr. Jabbar]

agreed

[truhooper]

Westbrook is the heart of their team

[deja vu]

He needs a Pippen type player or a defensive big man like Noah.

[ZenMaster]

Westbrook is the heart of their team

They need him to be the brain.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Westbrook is the heart of their team

Because Durant has a beta personality and allowed Westbrook to take the team from him, because Westbrook is one of "those" personalities that will take advantage of it. Good for him, but bad for Durant. Except, Durant is so nice, he's convinced himself it's all cool and good to let Westbrook be the leader.

Look at the garbage Durant said when asked how OKC will deal with Westbrook returning from injury...."We're just going to mold ourselves around him"

OKC GM needs to take KD out of that toxic situation cause KD is too nice. That team should be Durant's, and his talent should be the focus.

Westbrook's poor decision making and such is not needed. They need a pass first PG.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Because 30 shots aint enough :lol

[imdaman99]

They need a pass first PG.
Is that pass first PG going to get KD open? You think those were easy passes to make while Allen was on KD? :biggums:

[Mass Debator]

Westbrook + Ibaka for Conley + Randolph and the Thunder would be up 2-0.

[Draz]

Don't honestly see why when Durant is getting his touches. Westbrook isn't stopping the ball isolating like Carmelo does or would. Then again his value is up and would help with a big.

[S13M]

Trade Durant for the 1st overall pick and use it to pick a winner like Wiggins.

[Jacks3]

Durant had 25 shots in Game 1, 28 in Game 2, and 27 in Game 3.

How is Westbrook holding him back? Absurd.

[NumberSix]

Durant had 25 shots in Game 1, 28 in Game 2, and 27 in Game 3.

How is Westbrook holding him back? Absurd.
Durant should shoot 35times. Then, he could maybe make 15 of them.

[Trollsmasher]

Durant had 25 shots in Game 1, 28 in Game 2, and 27 in Game 3.

How is Westbrook holding him back? Absurd.
dis

[Im Still Ballin]

Westbrook for Teague and Horford?

OKC getting too much?

[freshperry]

westbrook has a terrible shot selection i agree... but the last play of game 3 and for the last minute you can tell hes trying to pass to durant even though he doesnt want to. I'd say durant is holding westbrook back more then the other way around. Im not saying westbrook is the better player by anymeans, but more to do with the nature of their playing style.

[JT123]

Durant had 25 shots in Game 1, 28 in Game 2, and 27 in Game 3.

How is Westbrook holding him back? Absurd.
Westbrook is the only reason the Thunder even had a chance in this game. :facepalm

[Angel Face]

Westbrook is a great player, yes, I understand.

But he's holding KD back. Durant is a far greater talent than he is displaying every night. The ball needs to be in his hands a lot more and in better offensive schemes, period.

They need to trade Westbrook for good pieces around Durant, then tell the Durantula to go MJ-mode and dominate the team's offense. Surround KD with good talent, a few guys who can create their own shot and score type of role players. That $15million that's going to Westbrook should go somewhere else.

Get a legit pass-first PG that will play defense, hit 3's, and be a solid all around shooter and distribute, but that's it.

Then get a legit post threat.

Westbrook is holding Durant back from his true greatness.

Pretty much agree with this. They should get a John Stockton type of pg who can facilitate offense well. Westbrook's taking the dumbest shots ever for a pg.

[DMAVS41]

Pretty much agree with this. They should get a John Stockton type of pg who can facilitate offense well. Westbrook's taking the dumbest shots ever for a pg.

Yea, other than the offense will get worse because a spread it around facilitator has nobody else to spread it around to...

Who do you want taking more shots on this team?

WB and KD just have to play better and smarter....it's not complicated at all.

[kap]

KD is highly overrated.

he's an above average player, and it's mainly due to his body

[dc_chilling]

KD got destroyed by Memphis without Westbrook last year.....

Why would things be different this year?

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Don't honestly see why when Durant is getting his touches. Westbrook isn't stopping the ball isolating like Carmelo does or would. Then again his value is up and would help with a big.


Not all touches are equal. You can't just look at the shot attempts. The way Westbrook, as a PG, controls the flow of the game and even the types of looks KD gets...... it matters.

[NumberSix]

Keffin Da Rant is a weak as bitch doe.

[Fudge]

If we could somehow get Curry or even Rondo + a few pieces for him, I'd take it in a heartbeat, to be honest. I love Rustle and all, but ya.

[knicksman]

Durant had 25 shots in Game 1, 28 in Game 2, and 27 in Game 3.

How is Westbrook holding him back? Absurd.

OKC is a jumpshooting/rhythm team. Role players or even durant are off when theres 2 players taking 20+ shots per game. Thats why OKC were never the same since westbrook. They live and die with westbrook because he doesnt allow any of the role players to get hot. And westbrook is more often cold than hot.

[Fudge]

Westbrook for Curry

Westbrook for Lillard + T Rob

Westbrook for Rondo + Sully

Westbrook for Lowry + Amir

Westbrook for Irving + Hawes


I'd personally take any of these trades.

[JT123]

If we could somehow get Curry or even Rondo + a few pieces for him, I'd take it in a heartbeat, to be honest. I love Rustle and all, but ya.
So Westbrook WILLS the Thunder back from a 17 point 4th quarter deficit, and Thunder "fans" want to trade him? :biggums: :facepalm
Durant stans are so ungrateful. You don't trade away a top 5 player for "pieces." All dynasty type teams have at least 2 franchise players. Durant needs to be a man and take over as the leader, but we all know he won't.

[Real14]

trade westbrook to tha knicks:applause:

[eliteballer]

OKC needs a post scoring option....Westbrook for Pau.

[Rocketswin2013]

Actually they need a consistent third option. Not even trying to bring up harden but they need a wildcard to take pressure off of that duo. Iso 50/50 chuck ball will get them nowhere. They need a 6th man. Probably a guy like Jeff Green who can destroy any NBA bench. Or some Tyreke Evans type.

Ibaka has no post game and can't create for himself.

[Inferno]

Actually they need a consistent third option. Not even trying to bring up harden but they need a wildcard to take pressure off of that duo. Iso 50/50 chuck ball will get them nowhere. They need a 6th man. Probably a guy like Jeff Green who can destroy any NBA bench. Or some Tyreke Evans type.

Ibaka has no post game and can't create for himself.

Yeah, they should go for Jeff Green. Makes sense.

[Rocketswin2013]

Yeah, they should go for Jeff Green. Makes sense.
Jeff Green is a matchup nightmare. Just not much of one as a top option. He even said so himself. He doesn't like being the focal point but Memphis would have a tough time with his athleticism.

[ZenMaster]

Westbrook for Curry

Westbrook for Lillard + T Rob

Westbrook for Rondo + Sully

Westbrook for Lowry + Amir

Westbrook for Irving + Hawes


I'd personally take any of these trades.

How about Rubio + Pekovic?

[JT123]

Actually they need a consistent third option. Not even trying to bring up harden but they need a wildcard to take pressure off of that duo. Iso 50/50 chuck ball will get them nowhere. They need a 6th man. Probably a guy like Jeff Green who can destroy any NBA bench. Or some Tyreke Evans type.

Ibaka has no post game and can't create for himself.
How would the Thunder afford Jeff Green? Ibaka is a great third option. He gives OKC the same production that Bosh gives the Heat. Westbrook and Durant just chose not to use him down the stretch of close games.

[Rocketswin2013]

How would the Thunder afford Jeff Green? Ibaka is a great third option. He gives OKC the same production that Bosh gives the Heat. Westbrook and Durant just chose not to use him down the stretch of close games.
They have to try and do something. Probably a trade for to free up cap space. Also , Ibaka gives the same production but not the same way. You will never see and be somebody off the dribble or create his own shot

[pmj]

They have to try and do something. Probably a trade for to free up cap space. Also , Ibaka gives the same production but not the same way. You will never see and be somebody off the dribble or create his own shot

How much creating of their own shot do Green and Splitter do? OKC needs ball movement.

Really even Bosh isn't creating his own shot, especially against good D.

I hated Spo, but after their Finals loss, he realized he needed to learn offense ASAP, or be fired. He spent time with Chip Kelly and others that offseason...that's someone who is doing whatever to get better at their job. Brooks has done nothing to improve the teams offense.

[Fudge]

So Westbrook WILLS the Thunder back from a 17 point 4th quarter deficit, and Thunder "fans" want to trade him? :biggums: :facepalm
Durant stans are so ungrateful. You don't trade away a top 5 player for "pieces." All dynasty type teams have at least 2 franchise players. Durant needs to be a man and take over as the leader, but we all know he won't.
:roll:

The irony of this post is amazing.

Just stahp, kid.

And lol @ top 5 player.

[LoneyROY7]

Because 30 shots aint enough :lol

:facepalm

It's not about the number of shots, it's about the kind of shots he's taking.

[knicksman]

Actually they need a consistent third option. Not even trying to bring up harden but they need a wildcard to take pressure off of that duo. Iso 50/50 chuck ball will get them nowhere. They need a 6th man. Probably a guy like Jeff Green who can destroy any NBA bench. Or some Tyreke Evans type.

Ibaka has no post game and can't create for himself.

What they need is a brain and a defensive anchor. Westbrook is like harden when he has the ball in his hands.

3rd option or even a 2nd option is just a luxury

[Ball So Harden]

Westbrook is a great player, yes, I understand.

But he's holding KD back. Durant is a far greater talent than he is displaying every night. The ball needs to be in his hands a lot more and in better offensive schemes, period.

They need to trade Westbrook for good pieces around Durant, then tell the Durantula to go MJ-mode and dominate the team's offense. Surround KD with good talent, a few guys who can create their own shot and score type of role players. That $15million that's going to Westbrook should go somewhere else.

Get a legit pass-first PG that will play defense, hit 3's, and be a solid all around shooter and distribute, but that's it.

Then get a legit post threat.

Westbrook is holding Durant back from his true greatness.

Let me get this straight. You want Durant to go MJ on other teams, but you want to trade away his Pippen?

[dunksby]

Game 4 cannot be here soon enough, NBA forum is infested with overreaction.

[deja vu]

I don't think Durant can go MJ-mode. Physicality fazes him so he ends up jacking shots.

[salwan]

what they need is:

1. a structured offense with a sequence of plays. The Thunder offense has no backup plan once the first option fails.

2. WB should take 20+ shots only if he's on FIRE. he tries to shoot himself out of a slump every single time :facepalm get the role players involved for god's sake.

3. less jump shots.

[russwest0]

Westbrook is a great player, yes, I understand.

But he's holding KD back. Durant is a far greater talent than he is displaying every night. The ball needs to be in his hands a lot more and in better offensive schemes, period.

They need to trade Westbrook for good pieces around Durant, then tell the Durantula to go MJ-mode and dominate the team's offense. Surround KD with good talent, a few guys who can create their own shot and score type of role players. That $15million that's going to Westbrook should go somewhere else.

Get a legit pass-first PG that will play defense, hit 3's, and be a solid all around shooter and distribute, but that's it.

Then get a legit post threat.

Westbrook is holding Durant back from his true greatness.

So basically you want OKC to trade Westbrook for Conley and Gasol.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

like i said.....

Durant is in a toxic situation. Durant is a nice guy, timid, little kid who willingly gives up his toys and is too nice to ask for them back.

Meanwhile, Westbrook is that kid in class, who isn't as smart or talented as Durant, but has the bully attitude and has no shame in taking Durant's toys and acting like he owns them.


If I were OKC Front office, I am looking to trade Westbrook ASAP this off-season. Then help Durant learn from his mistakes and take over the team as the Alpha leader legitimately this time, and not let someone else step on his toes.

Durant is far too nice and pussified to stop Westbrook now. It's too far gone.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

So basically you want OKC to trade Westbrook for Conley and Gasol.

Westbrook in a package for Kevin Love maybe.

[Goldrush25]

MJ mode? MJ didn't start winning championships until Pippen showed up. But you're saying KD's Pippen needs to be traded? How's Durant going to win with less talent?

The alleged MVP needs to change something inside himself. This is all psychological with OKC right now.

[DMAVS41]

Nah...Westbrook already saved Durant's season. Should be at home right now outside of him getting bailed out in his horrible games.

You don't trade Westbrook...you get rid of Brooks and make a move to upgrade the god damn shooting guard position with a two way player like Afflalo.

I've been saying it for an entire year now. If the Thunder don't come back like 2012...Presti will have really ****ed up.

But Brooks has to go. This is just pathetic.

[Springsteen]

What a bunch of retards. Trade a arguably top-3 PG so your center player has even more stress to produce for the team on offense? Why does this thread exist.

[oh the horror]

MJ mode? MJ didn't start winning championships until Pippen showed up. But you're saying KD's Pippen needs to be traded? How's Durant going to win with less talent?

The alleged MVP needs to change something inside himself. This is all psychological with OKC right now.



Just because Westbrook happens to be there doesn't make him Durant's "Pippen"


Maybe some other talent out there is?

[Milbuck]

What a bunch of retards. Trade a arguably top-3 PG so your center player has even more stress to produce for the team on offense? Why does this thread exist.
SCOTT BROOKS.

He is the only one on the team that needs to go. You can always bury Perk on the bench, same for Thabo. You can't, you just can't hide the coach. When he makes awful decisions, there's very little you can do. He has gold on the bench in Adams, Lamb, PJ3...uses them about a third as much as he should.

Why is no one looking to hire George Karl?

[oh the horror]

What a bunch of retards. Trade a arguably top-3 PG so your center player has even more stress to produce for the team on offense? Why does this thread exist.


If you get the right pieces dumbass then he won't have to carry the load. Wtf is working now? Back and forth ISO ball featuring the tag team duo of these two?

[AintNoSunshine]

Been saying it all along, would've been better had they choose Harden over Ibaka, or hell even Harden over Westbrook.

[oh the horror]

Some have mentioned this, but could their woes be on the coach directly or is it truly that WB and Durant just don't fit?


Either way they need a low post threat. This combo of players as constructed isn't working

[stalkerforlife]

Westbrook has to go, IMO. Westbrook for Rondo.

[PickernRoller]

Westbrook for Chalmers seems a fair trade.

[hawksdogsbraves]

SCOTT BROOKS.

He is the only one on the team that needs to go. You can always bury Perk on the bench, same for Thabo. You can't, you just can't hide the coach. When he makes awful decisions, there's very little you can do. He has gold on the bench in Adams, Lamb, PJ3...uses them about a third as much as he should.

Why is no one looking to hire George Karl?

This this this

Brooks is the problem and has always been the problem. He's a shit tier coach. This series may have been unwinnable anyway with Ibaka going down, but Brooks is the thing holding them back. He doesn't run any sort of coherent offense, doesn't have the team playing good defense, and his rotations are maybe the worst of any good team I've ever seen.

He probably won't get fired this offseason, but until he is the Thunder will be held back from coming close to their full potential.

[Pointguard]

Some have mentioned this, but could their woes be on the coach directly or is it truly that WB and Durant just don't fit?

Either way they need a low post threat. This combo of players as constructed isn't working

They aren't a natural fit at all. But neither were Lebron/Wade, and Bosh never quite fit in either. Sobeit, Lebron and Wade are exceptional, mentally, and a bit maturer and made harmony out of it.

A Pippen type isn't a push the issue scorer - they master being opportunistic scoriers like S. Curry, Kawil Leonard. Pippen mellowed the game to compliment Jordan blowing it up. Durant needs a complimentrary player like a young Ray Allen, Tony Parker, J Kidd, Rondo, Iggy, etc.

Even Harden played a more controlled game and was a bit maturer. I think Westbrook is great for a team of shooters.

[jrong]

I agree. Durant is an alpha talent with an alpha/beta personality. Westbrook is a beta talent with an alpha personality.

So if Westbrook asserts, Durant will, simply because of his temperament, become more deferential. It's the worst situation for him. He needs to play with a true point guard.

[eliteballer]

They do need to entertain trading Westbrook for a couple of pieces that fit Durant better, these two will never reach their full potential playing together.

[sportjames23]

You can't just turn on MJ mode. You have to have traces of MJ mode configured in your DNA.

Only one dude in the league can get near that level, and he missed most of this past season.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

You can't just turn on MJ mode. You have to have traces of MJ mode configured in your DNA.

Only one dude in the league can get near that level, and he missed most of this past season.
talkin bout kobe??:yaohappy: :yaohappy:

[dubeta]

Westbrook + Ibaka for Bosh

Considering Thunder fans keep explaining to us that Bosh is a superstar I don't see why this would be a problem for them. :confusedshrug:

[Mr Feeny]

agreed

Dis ph@ggot is back:applause:
#NotHonoringBet#WeakSauce

[Mr Feeny]

You can't just turn on MJ mode. You have to have traces of MJ mode configured in your DNA.

Only one dude in the league can get near that level, and he missed most of this past season.

:oldlol:
MJ mode is scoring at beast level on 50% shooting. Only two players (James and moreso Durant can go into MJ mode. The chucker you hinted at can never get anywhere near that scoring + efficiency if his life depended on it.

Don't make us laugh little child:roll:

[BoutPractice]

Yes, let's make OKC horribly dependent on one player instead of horribly dependent on two players.

[3LiftHeatCurse]

Yes, let's make OKC horribly dependent on one player instead of horribly dependent on two players.

Trading Westbrook would mean OKC gets another big name player back.

But this time, the team would be Durant's as he gets to "start over" in the locker room and take control of the team this time.

Westbrook for Kevin Love in a package deal. Something of that nature.

Durant will never be "free" while Westbrook is there. If Durant had MJ's attitude, this wouldn't be a problem. But he doesn't. Durant is a submissive, beta personality, and Westbrook is the type of person who has no shame in taking advantage of Durant for his own personal gain.

OKC needs to get Durant out of that toxic situation and let Durant be completely free to really let his talents come out every time he steps onto the court.

[NumberSix]

talkin bout kobe??:yaohappy: :yaohappy:
I hope so. God help us all if he meant Rose.

[Random_Guy]

westbrook and ibaka for rondo and green(didnt check the salary might need to work something out).
I like it for the celtics because we have a good coach that can keep russ under control. ibaka and sully will be a solid front court.
the thunder get a pass first pg in rondo and another scorer in green, obviously they will need to move kd to four~might not work but imo the team will be better.
they can run a lineup of
Reggie/thabo/green/kd/perks(?)
a solid line up
......
but the truth is, nobody needs to go, only brooks should

[The Iron Sheik]

he's doing 31/10/4 with Westbrook right now, yet Westbrook is holding him back?

seems legit

[Random_Guy]

he's doing 31/10/4 with Westbrook right now, yet Westbrook is holding him back?

seems legit
durant has been jackshit and invisible. if you dont think russ is holding him back then you are not watching any games. the games will be even harder without russ, but with russ kd can maximize his potential

[The Iron Sheik]

durant has been jackshit and invisible. if you dont think russ is holding him back then you are not watching any games. the games will be even harder without russ, but with russ kd can maximize his potential

let me get this straight, you're saying that Westbrook is holding durant back, but that Durant can "maximize his potential" with Westbrook?

ok