90s Players Football/Soccer Tournament

[cos88]

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[CENTER]Round 1

1. Alenleomessi - Neymar
2. Jasi - Eden Hazard
3. Iamgine - Mario Gotze
4. b1imtf - William Carvalho
5. Cos88 - Paul Pogba
6. Lebowsky - Koke
7. Kurple - Toni Kroos
8. Bosniansajo - Isco

Round 2

9. Bosniansajo - David Alaba
10. Kurple - Thibaut Courtois
11. Lebowsky - Rapahel Varane
12. Cos88 - Luke Shaw
13. b1imtf - Antoine Griezmann
14. Iamgine - James Rodriguez
15. Jasi - Thiago
16. Alenleomessi - Lucas Moura

Round 3

17. alenleomessi - Romelu Lukaku
18. Jasi - Kevin Strootman
19. iamgine - Aaron Ramsey
20. b1imtf - [B]Inigo Mart

[Bosnian Sajo]

1. We will judge players on current abillity, but everybody can do what they want, pick and judge how they really like to.



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[cos88]

lol i copy paste'd from the first page of draft thread. everybody judges as they want means based on current ability, but some put accent on coach+bench, others on attack and defensive line others on midfield. :confusedshrug:

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/sDWeZ.png

[cos88]

will have to double check that for errors, you guys should post yours asap so we can start this monday

[iamgine]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[cos88]

:confusedshrug:

[b1imtf]

Damn cos :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
I've started writing mine.

[b1imtf]

Saving this spot.

http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2014/04/982790_Fifa_Team.jpg

Bench:

[SIZE="3"]Carlos Man

[cos88]

6 presentations to go. don't forget to read the rules:

First to five / final score after 48h . also votes that do not explain ( 1 row at least ) will not count.

3points for W, 1 for D, 0 for L / If tied after 3 games the vote difference will decide who goes through.

can't vote in your group, if you don't vote in the other group you will be penalized by 1 vote ( not that hard to vote, very few people vote anyway )

[CeltsGarlic]

that writeup by cos is amazing. Loving it and the squad.

[alenleomessi]

if cos doesnt win again
http://forums.starcitizenbase.com/uploads/monthly_04_2014/post-6333-0-89340600-1397318477.gif

[LJJ]

that writeup by cos is amazing. Loving it and the squad.

That font tho.

[Bosnian Sajo]

It's a good presentation, don't get me wrong, but it is not the best team. And some of the stuff in the presentation is just :facepalm For example, Marseille the best ligue 1 team the past 2 years? :oldlol:

[alenleomessi]

i think he meant the liga's best 11

[alenleomessi]

anyway im kind oflazy right now ill do a write up tonight or tomorrow

[Lebowsky]

Really busy with work, I'll try to have it ready by tomorrow.

[LJJ]

It's a good presentation, don't get me wrong, but it is not the best team. And some of the stuff in the presentation is just :facepalm For example, Marseille the best ligue 1 team the past 2 years? :oldlol:

His sentence structure is a bit iffy, but he means that N'Koulou was selected in the Ligue1 team of the season these past years.

http://www.ligue1.com/ligue1/article/ligue-1-team-of-the-year.htm

[cos88]

yeah i meant team of the year, wrote, save, posted. still some errors that i will fix this week :confusedshrug: worked mostly with prt scren and paint and some photoshop that i got last week for some pictures that did not have white background

[cos88]

It's a good presentation, don't get me wrong, but it is not the best team. And some of the stuff in the presentation is just :facepalm For example, Marseille the best ligue 1 team the past 2 years? :oldlol:

don't know if it's the best will see after everyone posts their teams but for sure it's a contender, i actually have a balanced team this tournament with all my players getting huge minutes for some of the best teams in europe this year ( 2x liverpool, 2x chelsea, 1x arsenal, 1x roma, 1x juve etc :confusedshrug: )

[cos88]

if cos doesnt win again
http://forums.starcitizenbase.com/uploads/monthly_04_2014/post-6333-0-89340600-1397318477.gif

well finalist and semifinalist. first one did not enter, not that bad considering some posters did not advance even in semis.

[cos88]

It's a good presentation, don't get me wrong, but it is not the best team. :

very confident after assambeling your team in notepad, i have more starters at the World Cup in my first 11 than you have possible players selected with your bench included. also players with more minutes / more started games in the domestic league / number of players with more than 15 starts etc per ESPN stats. can't wait to face you :banana: :banana:

[alenleomessi]

well finalist and semifinalist. first one did not enter, not that bad considering some posters did not advance even in semis.
well with the effort in presentations and stuff you put in, you should win in every.. you are like real madrid from mid 00s.. nice for the eye but it lacks something

[Jasi]

Damn cos, props for the effort.
Your presentation would be 50% more effective with a better font though.

[kurple]

i aint gonna hand cos the trophy just because he had a slow weekend

http://this11.com/play/abGOThMahG.png

Best goalie and defensive player by far in the draft. Back 4 might not be filled with starpower, but its no weakness with an anchor like Courtois.

Happy with my midfield 3. Kroos and Eriksen are studs. And i decided to start Joe Allen over Saul (who i think will be better in a few years), because Rodgers is the coach. He's also having a very good season with liverpool.

I got the captain of the German and Spanish u21 teams on each wing. And both are having good season as the best player on their teams. Two underrated players

And i got Balo on top. Might not have the best goal per minute ratio. But he's a bigger x-factor than any striker in this draft

great presentation cos. but does value on transfermarkt really mean anything?

[cos88]

^ i don't expect anything just for the presentation. i had great teams especialy the current players draft, i really considered i had a better team than b1 but ronaldo was too much i guess, because he had ronaldo people were saying ronaldo-cuadrado-sturridge were in the same tier/better than my robben-dimaria-ibrahimovic, even though his i don't consider his trio compatible at all :confusedshrug: the second one i can understand not winning no problem with any of them.


on topic: since the trade period ended 20h ago, not need for rushing you guys as this will be the last draft, we can wait 2-3 more days. :cheers:

[Jasi]

I guess we can come up with a well-structured WC prediction game later on, no?

[iamgine]

http://s1.postimg.org/p6twrr3bz/Bay.png

Formation: 4-5-1

Key Players: Mario Gotze, James Rodriguez, Aaron Ramsey.

A familiar formation, Pep's Bayern use it with Gotze in that exact position. Very balanced in attack and defense, with one of the best coach in the world and great subs.

On the attacking front there is Christian Benteke - A good finisher, with an excellent heading ability, he is your perfect target man. Strong as an ox and a prime target for crosses.

On the midfield, Bernard - an extremely talented young Brazilian. One of the fastest young player with a team-centric style of play and good technical ability. Defensively, Bernard does his fair share of tracking back and pressing the opposition. His pace gives him an edge when pressing or tracking back. Along with Gotze, James, Ramsey and Camacho, this midfield is sure to give opposing defense nightmare. Ignacio Camacho is the heart of Malaga and has been outstanding this season. He's tenacious, wins possessions and a great passer.

Defensively, experienced defenders who knows what they're doing. Leno is one of the best young GK. Jones and Jesus starts for Man U and Inter. Ricardo Rodriguez is one of the most talented left back today. He has been impressive this season, displaying a good balance of defence and attack. Sebastian Jung is a more conventional, defensive-minded full-back. He does venture forward in an attempt to create chances, but the fundamental part of his game is his defensive ability. He is very mature and disciplined in his position.

[kurple]

^ i don't expect anything just for the presentation. i had great teams especialy the current players draft, i really considered i had a better team than b1 but ronaldo was too much i guess, because he had ronaldo people were saying ronaldo-cuadrado-sturridge were in the same tier/better than my robben-dimaria-ibrahimovic, even though his i don't consider his trio compatible at all :confusedshrug: the second one i can understand not winning no problem with any of them.


on topic: since the trade period ended 20h ago, not need for rushing you guys as this will be the last draft, we can wait 2-3 more days. :cheers:
i still cant believe i lost to Alen in the WC draft. I thought for sure that i would win that one.

losing to Jasi in the all time draft was an honor, but Zidane deserved more love.

[cos88]

I guess we can come up with a well-structured WC prediction game later on, no?

what do you mean? what type? as in predict who W or L in every match and award points and at the finish see who has the most?

[Jasi]

what do you mean? what type? as in predict who W or L in every match and award points and at the finish see who has the most?

Yeah something along those lines. Predict W/Ls but also the exact result (awarding more points of course).

[cos88]

yeah why not :confusedshrug: did the last prediction game 5 years ago with the nba on a local video game forum, should be nice. we already know the schedule so it will be easy.

[LJJ]

Yeah something along those lines. Predict W/Ls but also the exact result (awarding more points of course).

Totally.

[Jasi]

yeah why not :confusedshrug: did the last prediction game 5 years ago with the nba on a local video game forum, should be nice. we already know the schedule so it will be easy.

Fine. Since you're quite good at organizing these threads (and judging from your team presentations, you don't lack time in your hands :D ) ... you have the green light.
I'd do it after all WC squads are officials anyways.

[alenleomessi]

http://www.footballuser.com/formations/2014/04/979536_Dream_Team.jpg
Subs: Casemiro, Salah, Oxlade-Chamberlain.
Coach: Mauricio Pochettino

He plays the 4-2-3-1 formation which is what i have. He favours a very high pressing attacking style of football. He builds pressure from the back and intimidates and unsettles the opponents easily. He plays through the wingers a lot. He made an average player in Lallana a star. I wonder what he will do with Neymar and Lucas. His fullbacks are great on offense which is what i have. So those are pretty much the tactics. He is hailed by many pundits for his focus on developing players from the clubs' youth academies. Doing a great job with Southampton this season.


De Gea - nothing much to say about him, arguably the best shot-stopper in the world and one of the best GK's this season. Saved United so many times. Would have been by far the best GK in this draft if it wasnt for Courtois.

Ginter and Balanta are two of the most wanted young CBs. One is very tall and calm and the other is both very strong and fast which is rare for a CB and thats why teams like Barca want him. He is considered the best CB in Argentina. Both players made their first appereance for their nations one month ago and have a decent chance to make the WC.

Moreno and De Sciglio are my two fullbacks. Moreno has been top 3 LB in La Liga this season alongside Filipe and Alba. Already has a cap for Spain and has a chance to make the WC if Azpi is moved to his natural position RB. Teams like Chelsea and Liverpool are interested in him. De Sciglio missed a lot of time because of injuries this season and played something over 1k minutes. Already very experienced for a 21y.o kid and played in many matches for Italy including the Confederations Cup and was an imporant member for MIlan the last two seasons.

My central midfield consists of a defensive midfielder M'Villa and a playmaker Verratti. Verratti is very known to all of you. Already a member of the national team and was a member of the Euro12 squad. Will be again this summer. Expected to be the Pirlo's replacement in the future. Was underwhelming against Chelsea but thats because PSG plays with no real DM which means a lot of pressure on the playmaker which results in losing the ball. But that wont happen with M'Villa on the team who was one of Arsenal's most wanted prospects the last couple of years. In the end he decided to go to Rubin Kazan ( money talks i guess ). A regular for the french national team. Will take the pressure of Verrati who will concetrate on controlling the game and making key passes. Think of Xavi pre-Busquets and Xavi post-Busquets.
For my attacking midfielder i have Barkley and/or Oxlade-Chamberlain. I know english players are not liked on this board because of the Ragaz trolling. But those two are very good. Trust me. Lol. Im starting Barkley because he has good chemistry with Lukaku and Oxlade is better suited as an energy guy and a game-changer of the bench. Saved Arsenal couple of times this season. Both have had an up and down season. Well its expected for two kids born in 1993 who are one of the key players of the 4th and 5th placed teams in the EPL. Both are fast, strong and skilled. Oxlade can also play on the wings and in the central midfield so he will be a great sub regardless if my team needs offense or defense.

On the wings i have the two best prospects in Brazil and in the world in general. The best player born in the 90's Neymar and Brazil's biggest hope at the WC. Many considered Lucas to be the better prospect a year ago. Signing for PSG wasnt the smartest choice. And its unfortunate for him that Brazil has so many great wingers and attacking mids so his place at Brazil this summer is doubtful. Anyway both are two of the fastest wingers in football and incredible dribblers. Possibly two of the best at getting fouls. They master it. Will be deadly on the counter.
Lukaku is my striker. A starter for Everton and starter for Belgium at the upcoming WC. One of the best strikers in the EPL this season. Singlehandily won Everton so many games. Tall, strong and fast. Basically the closest thing to Drogba you will ever see.

Two of my other subs are Casemiro and Salah. I will use Casemiro to kill off the game and Salah if i need more offense.

[cos88]

only 3 presentations left to do then we make MatchDay 1. :applause:

[Lebowsky]

http://s18.postimg.org/xio6pqxtl/team.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Captain: Koke
Reserves: Rafinha, Leon Goretzka and Alexandre Lacazette

Stats (not counting cup matches):

http://s2.postimg.org/dbud419op/stats.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Overview:

Mr. Montella will play mostly a 4/3/3 formation, just like the one posted above, with a strong focus on short passing, ball movement and lots of offensive flow and freedom. The way the team has been built, we don't rely on one or two playmakers, but we have several on the pitch at all times in all lines. Alternatively, depending on the occassion we will switch to a 3/5/2, with Pardo acting as a false 3rd. CB, then a midfield with Mallo and Bernat as long midfielders, Goretzka as holding MF, and Rafinha and Koke in a more advanced position, with Jese (or Lacazette) and Immobile up front.

Ter Stegen is widely considered a top-3 young GK in Europe, that being the reason why he's Barcelona-bound this summer. Not much to say about him, became a starter for his club at age 19, regular starter for Germany's youth squads and has already played for the NT in some friendlies (without much luck, mind you :).

My CB pairing may arguably be the best in the whole draft. Aymeric Laporte is one of the best young CBs in Europe at just 19 years of age, that's the reason why half Europe is after him. He's tall, strong and left footed, and he's got superb passing and vision for a CB. He will be the one initiating the plays from the defense, and he will provide an aerial threat in set pieces.

Raphael Varane may very well be the best young CB in the world, at least he looks like such everytime he's on the pitch. He appeared in 32 matches last season, scoring two important goals and establishing himself as a starter on Real's defense for an extended period of time. This season he was out for 2/3 months with a strange knee injury, but when he's played he's been just as good as he's always been. One of the fastest CBs (if not the fastest) I've seen, he's also got very good positioning instincts and tactical sense. He will be the leader of my defensive line.

Hugo Mallo and Juan Bernat are the two best, most promising fullbacks in Spain (along with Moreno). Bernat is pretty much a Jordi Alba clone. Like Alba, he was brought up as a LW, but his team's needs made him be featured as a LB and he has played there ever since. He has tremendous pace and dribbling skills, and knows when to make his runs forward and when to stay behind. Hugo Mallo has always been a regular for the youth NTs, and also a starter at Celta's RB. He is fast and powerful, and provides deadly crosses from the right. He'll be starting for the senior NT soon. Both are capable of playing (and have done so) as RM/LM in a 3/5/2 formation.

My midfield line starts with [B]Rub

[cos88]

The best player born in the 90's Neymar


hazard :confusedshrug: not but much though

[alenleomessi]

hazard :confusedshrug: not but much though
hard to judge him for this season because chelsea usually played defensive football against the big teams and hazard couldnt do what he wanted.. hasnt had even close to the impact for belgium as neymar had for brazil though so far.. we will see at the WC but my bet is on neymar having a better campaign.. by a landslide

[cos88]

bosnian sajo and jasi the last ones to post.


for you who still have to edit or post additional tactics the next 24h is the time to do so

[b1imtf]

I have posted my starting XI, will do the rest later.

[Jasi]

Luis Enrique's very offensive 4-3-3 is based on dynamism.

http://i.imgur.com/VYA8r6E.jpg

I won't go on saying how good is this and how brilliant is that.
I'll just point out that:
- I have very good talent overall and the personnel fits the coach's intentions.
- The midfield is super high level. A mix of pace, workrate, geometry, technique, shots, everything.
- The wingers are not classic wingers but both will usually drift in and create chances for themselves or Morata.
- The striker (Morata) is not a target man but a very skilled and mobile striker.
- French CB duo very strong and talented.
- FBs are both good at supporting attack and defending.
- Florenzi is the 12th man and he will replace Ljajic or Morata (in the latter case Ljajic will become the striker)
- Jorginho (heavily overlooked here, he's a starter in Napoli) can replace Illarramendi but also the other midfields.
- Santon can replace both FBs

[cos88]

bosnian sajo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8NX-HxX-A0

[b1imtf]

Merged.

[cos88]

jasi / iamgine / kurple / lebowsky / alen


are you guys going to edit something or are you ready? as soon as sajo posts we will start :banana:

[Jasi]

I'm fine

[b1imtf]

C'mon Sajo!

[cos88]

10 more hours for you bosnian sajo starting now, i don't want to start this on weekends when nobody will vote.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I'll make it later tonight, finals week >>>>>anything ish related

[b1imtf]

I'll make it later tonight, finals week >>>>>anything ish related
Bookmarked. Future neg. ISH > life.

[alenleomessi]

I'll make it later tonight, finals week >>>>>anything ish related
dude the final is on 24th may :facepalm
lol

[Lebowsky]

jasi / iamgine / kurple / lebowsky / alen


are you guys going to edit something or are you ready? as soon as sajo posts we will start :banana:
I'm good.

[RagaZ]

dude the final is on 24th may :facepalm
lol
Never been to School?

[b1imtf]

dude the final is on 24th may :facepalm
lol
:roll: :roll: :applause:

[cos88]

sajo if you don't post in the next 4h we'll start without you. sorry it's been almost a week.

[cos88]

Group B


lebowsky - b1imtf

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9886655&postcount=37

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9878107&postcount=9




jasi - alenleomessi


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9895503&postcount=42

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9881835&postcount=35

[cos88]

48h or first to 5


also you CAN vote in your group for the MatchDay 1 & 2

[b1imtf]

Tough one.. Some of the defendrs Jasi picked are in bad form, but I like his team better from midfield up... I'm thinking.

[cos88]

no question that this is the most balanced tournament so far, the group phase will make sure the best come from each group. both matchups are so close that any team can beat the other any given day. jasi and b1 did a better job in this draft than the last one.

[b1imtf]

I'm going with alen. I think Danilo would struggle mightily against Neymar and that ultimately was the deciding factor for me.

[b1imtf]

Bump.

[alenleomessi]

lebowsky vs b1.. both kept on keeping players from their country i see.. leb's teams is quite more talented though.. top 2 player on a laliga champ and cl finalist, top 3-4 player on the top 2 team in EPL, leading scorer in the seria a and best bench player from real before the injury.. defense is solid too.. hard to judge the players from the portuguese and french league for b1.. his team could be pretty scary in few years for all we know but right now lebowsky is better by a pretty decent margin

[cos88]

lebowsky - b1imtf


lebowsky has 8 out of the first 11 playing in Spain, i have no problem with that. my biggest concern is the lack of experience at a higher level, international football. not many people watch teams like celta or almeria so whoscored was a great help for me to judge some of the less knowed players.

ter Stegen is a a top 4 goalkeeper born in the 90s so this was a good decision, i like teams that selected an early round gk. from the 4 in the defensive line the most in-form player is laporte, folowed by the left back bernat. varane is a little overrated in my opinion, the first sub for pepe or ramos but he is not in form at the moment. still one of the best defensive centre back pairings. hugo mallo is your weak link, many better players at that position, his rating of 6.93 is a little above average.


coutinho and koke are solid picks, i wanted someone a little better than ruben pardo, who is not having a great season at all at sociedad. watched some UCL games and some la liga games and he didn't impress me at all ( also 6.73 rating ). still a great midfield trio.

immobile and jese are great picks, versatile players, jese can play anywhere up front but i would introduce lacazette instead of suso. not a fan of him and lacazette ( who was my pick as a starter before the draft ) can play a little wider. he plays at lyon next to gomis, but he is versatile as well and can star on the right side, with the possibility or swaping during the game with jese. i think it would make your team better.

b1imtf

4 players from portugal, from the top teams. trapp is unkown to me, had to google him to see what team he plays for. i like inigo-zouma pairing, overall the defense in ok.

william carvalho is a beast , if it wasn't for united interest many would not heard about him, one of the best young players in europe for sure. wilshere needs no intoduction, i had him in the current players draft, too bad he can't go healthy for long periods and kovacic has world-class potential will be a full time starter for inter next year, if he continues to work he will be a top player. great trio here, without a doubt.


markovic and rodrigo are starters for one of the best teams this year, benfica. great prospects, i know markovic for a long time, wasn't sure about him when he joined for such a big fee. another trio i like.

as per tactics, i like what you are saying both want the same thing, b1 wants free-flowing, possession-based football while lebowsky wants a strong focus on short passing, ball movement and lots of offensive flow and freedom. i would pay money to see this game, i can't understand why alenleomessi is saying this lebwosky wins by a decent margin, i see a close game. sorry guys, i'm going with a draw, just can't see a clear winner here.






alenleomessi - jasi

alen this time spend his first 3 rounds on his offensive trio, not the best decision but he has a great offensive lineup. balanta - ginter huge upside, but most inexperienced pairing in the draft by far. balanta i heard good things about him considered by many the best cb in argentina , but still i would prefer at least 8 cb based on current ability and experience.

the midfield trio is ok, not the best in the tournament but not that bad. m'vila is a fantastic pick, was on my shortlist, also barkley is verstaile and underrated.

not much to say about the offensive trio, great job there as i said.


jasi has 3 defenders from porto, a team who is having the worst season in many many years. as for current value they are better than alen's but they are not in better form. scuffet has to be the youngest player in the draft, at 17 he is starting right now at udinese.

strootman is a great pick, so as thiago and illara who even if they are usually subs still are great players. i think it's a better lineup than alens'.

on the attack you selected the best player possible born in the 90s, hazard. you had the top two picks and selected the best 2 players available, good job there. ljalic is a little unknown to some of you who don't watch serie a but he is a good player with still potential left. morata is your weak link, not a fan of him at all, many many better players available.

on tactics, once again the same thing, attacking football for both teams. i think both of you will advance, but i'm going with alen in this close matchup. however i think jasi will win vs b1 and lebwosky.

[cos88]

bosnian sajo, when are you going to post your team? it's been a week.

[iamgine]

Lebowski and alen because I feel their team is slightly better as a unit than their opponents.

[cos88]

2. First to five / final score after 48h . also votes that do not explain ( 1 row at least ) will not count.


^^

[cos88]

also by the way who doesn't vote will get -1 point in his next mathup. if we don't vote who the hell will do? still 1-2 days left as it is weekend

[Lebowsky]

I will vote later on today!! Just give me a few hours.

[Jasi]

Close game but I vote Lebowsky, most of his players are more talented and more ready than b1's.

[cos88]

I will vote later on today!! Just give me a few hours.

no one is rushing you at this point :confusedshrug:

[cos88]

Group A

cos88 - kurple


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9872546&postcount=4

-

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9880564&postcount=25

[kurple]

[QUOTE=cos88]also by the way who doesn't vote will get -1 point in his next mathup. if we don't vote who the hell will do? still 1-2 days left as it is weekend[/QUOTEok i'll vote

but i always have a hard time deciding

[b1imtf]

I pick cos88. I personally think Pogba/Henderson/Oscar will outrun and overwork Kroos/Allen/Eriksen and Destro has been in sick form this year (somethig like 13 in 18).

Plus, kurple could've given it a little more effort...

[cos88]

btw kurple, you said ''best goalie and defensive player by far in the draft.'' in your presentation.


who is the best defensive player ?

[kurple]

courtois :confusedshrug:

he's the best keeper and the best defensive player in the draft. by far

is that even debetable? as i didnt say defender

[kurple]

Plus, kurple could've given it a little more effort...
i respect the pick, but thats one lame ass reason.

[b1imtf]

i respect the pick, but thats one lame ass reason.
Nah, the main reason were the ones I gave above. What I meant by that was if you had given some more explanation about your tactics, the decision might've been different.

[cos88]

courtois :confusedshrug:

he's the best keeper and the best defensive player in the draft. by far

is that even debetable? as i didnt say defender


aw ok :cheers:

[Lebowsky]

Jasi, by a hair, and cos88.

[cos88]

^ don't forget to give at least 1 row on the explanation when you got time :cheers:

[cos88]

b1 voted in all
cos voted in all
jasi 1 vote left in cos-kurple matchup
alen 1 vote left in cos-kurple matchup
sajo nothing
lebowsky voted but didn't explain
iamgine 1 vote left in cos-kurple matchup
kurple nothing



you still have time but if we don't vote who will ? :confusedshrug: as i said i will still let this on so no rush you still have time

[kurple]

Jasi - his midfield wins it for me. Alen has a nice team, so this one was tough

Lebowski - just better overeall

Kurple - Kroos and Courtois? bowdown bowdown

[alenleomessi]

both of your defenses are meh except courtois and shaw.. midfield trio are about equal in talent but i think cos's would fit better.. allen is a liability as a DM as seen in the recent liverpool matches and eriksen and kroos are both at their best as an AM..i also like cos's attacking trio much better.. insigne is a good bench pick up
so cos

[iamgine]

Cos - like his team slightly more

[cos88]

Final Scores


jasi - alenleomessi 2-2

lebowsky - b1imtf 5-1


Still On

cos88 - kurple 4-0

[cos88]

my matchup still on for a couple of h, will post new ones soon

[Lebowsky]

Ok, some brief explanation because work is crazy lately.

Jasi vs. Alen. They both put outstanding teams together, some of the best in the tournament. I think they're both comparable teams and very close overall, so in the end it came down to Jasi's midfield being stronger and more balanced imo. M'Vila has not had a great season, and Verratti and Barkley don't offer so much defensively. Alen may arguably have slightly more firepower in the forward line, but I'm afraid his midfield might be a little permeable without the ball. Anyhow, I really like both teams and you can consider it nitpicking.

As for cos88 vs. kurple, I don't really fancy kurple's midfield, Nastasic I feel he's overrated and injury prone, not a fan of Volland's or, especially, Balotelli's, and Muniain I feel he's not becoming the player he was expected to. Cos' team just works better.

[cos88]

Group A

kurple - iamgine


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9880564&postcount=25

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http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9880593&postcount=28

[Jasi]

Hey it's not 24hrs yet since you posted the cos-kurple matchup, let me cast my vote.

I think cos has a better overall team, not too fond of some of the early picks by kurple. Kroos first round ok. But then Courtois-Balotelli-Eriksen, kind of wasted early picks. You pick your GK too early (Courtois is clearly the best GK in the draft but it will still not make a difference), you give up the possibility to have really strong players out there. As a result the overall talent of your team is lower than cos'.

[cos88]

yep it's 5-0 now i think so it's over


kurple-iamgine above

[cos88]

i'm just not seeing it for either team to be honest.

we all know benteke is a good finisher, with an excellent heading ability, both of you guys don't say a single word about tactics or style of play or even playing position. iamgine's team isn't a pep formation, way better choices available, that's why it would be better to explain what football are you playing. james is shown as a attacking midfielder but your tactic says 4-5-1. what are the roles of bernard and james?


for kurple baloteli is underrated as usual. he has more goals than lukaku yet people treat him like he's trash. without him milan would be in the relegation battle. i'll give his team 5% more, going with his team but it's close for me, so no need to get a vote when i don't see a winner. it's a draw, i'll let you guys decide on this one.

[kurple]

Hey it's not 24hrs yet since you posted the cos-kurple matchup, let me cast my vote.

I think cos has a better overall team, not too fond of some of the early picks by kurple. Kroos first round ok. But then Courtois-Balotelli-Eriksen, kind of wasted early picks. You pick your GK too early (Courtois is clearly the best GK in the draft but it will still not make a difference), you give up the possibility to have really strong players out there. As a result the overall talent of your team is lower than cos'.
Courtois and Kroos has been better than anyone born in the 90's this season. Including Neymar and Hazard.

They might not have more impressive youtube highlights, but they've had a bigger impact IMO.

Balotelli is crazy underrated, and Eriksen has been tottenhams best player this season. And Munain might not have been as good as some expected, but he's still been Bilbaos best player and the captain of spains U21 team. Ahead of many players picked, same with Volland, but i'm not that impressed with him.

and courtois has been the best keeper in the world. I wouldnt trade him for the two best defenders in the draft

[iamgine]

i'm just not seeing it for either team to be honest.

we all know benteke is a good finisher, with an excellent heading ability, both of you guys don't say a single word about tactics or style of play or even playing position. iamgine's team isn't a pep formation, way better choices available, that's why it would be better to explain what football are you playing. james is shown as a attacking midfielder but your tactic says 4-5-1. what are the roles of bernard and james?



But it totally is a pep formation, seeing as he used it so many times this season. :confusedshrug:

James has always been a right wing/left wing. He played right wing a lot of times this season but they are also molding him to be a future AM. Bernard is a left wing.

[alenleomessi]

kurple vs iamgine
i already said what i think about kurple as for imagine ramsey is better in a more offensive role but it doesnt really matter since kurple has joe freaking allen as a lone dm.. i think gotze, ramsey, bernard and james should fit great under pep..camacho hasnt really caught my eye tbh i havent watched much of malaga except some CL games last year or against the big spanish teams in laliga.. i guess benteke could do the job mandzukic does.. his full backs are having very solid seasons in the bundes.. leno is solid for a draft like this.. jesus is meh and phil jones might be mediocre against grown men but against kids in a draft like this he could really be a dominant defensive force with his strength and speed
so im going with iamgine who has a more balanced team

[cos88]

Courtois and Kroos has been better than anyone born in the 90's this season.


pogba better than kroos by a decent margin, as form, potential, value, current ability or everyhing this season

[b1imtf]

Iamgine. The three behind Benteke would kill kurple's denfeders... IMO.

[kurple]

thank god atleti and city are doing better than me. shits depressing

[cos88]

Group A

kurple - iamgine


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9880564&postcount=25

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http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9880593&postcount=28


3-1 at the moment for iamgine, voting still on.

[Jasi]

This is quite close for me.
I like kurple's midfield more, FBs are better for iamgine, CBs for kurple.
The attacks are more or less equal but I don't feel Balo as a lone striker.
Who are kurple's subs?

[cos88]

^look at the first page

[cos88]

what the hell is sajo doing. did his strict bosnian parents cut his internet for failing at the fernals ?

[Jasi]

I vote iamgine. The matchup could go either way actually, but in the end I think his team is slightly better suited to limit the opponents.

[cos88]

i guess the idea that sound good at the start with groups is not that nice now considering one group has 4 and one 3. we'll wait 2-3 more days for sajo then he is out.


also if you want to vote now is the time, i'll make new matchups in 4-5 h after i finish something here at home.

[Jasi]

alen, your PM box is full, free up some space

[alenleomessi]

^ i did

[cos88]

Group B

alen - b1imtf

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9881835&postcount=35

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http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9878107&postcount=9



jasi - lebowsky


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9895503&postcount=42

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http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9886655&postcount=37

[cos88]

first to 5 or final score until Monday 00:00 UTC time, if sajo doesn't post until then he will be out

[cos88]

said in the previous pages what i like and what i don't about all 4 teams.


b1's team is very underrated by some of you, i think he did a good job.
alen's team is weaker than previous one, flaws and strengths, unbalanced team overall.


went with alen's team in his match vs jasi but now i'm going with b1 here, i think he can win this game.


jasi and lebowsky have pretty similar close teams. i think jasi has the best team in the group i'm going with him in a very close game

[alenleomessi]

the only positions were b1 got me are CB with inigo and DM with william..

where are the flaws exactly?

[cos88]

your team is unbalanced, great attack but questionable on the back.

jasi defensive line for example has 3 starters for porto + sakho. your central back pairing has probably the biggest potential in the whole tournament but as current ability is not in the top. not to mention the fact that they are by far the least experienced ones.

regarding your matchup with b1imtf you said the only + he has on your team are inigo and william.

i don't judge by individual players, i judge on overall pairing and i like inigo + zouma better. also m'vila is on the downside of his career at the moment, he was better 3-4 years ago, m'vila / veratti / barkley is not better than william / wilshere / kovacic in my opinion.

just a thing of matchups for me, that's why i voted for you in the game vs jasi in Matchday 1. Also can you vote in the other game in the group? if we aren't voting then who does?

[alenleomessi]

your team is unbalanced, great attack but questionable on the back.

jasi defensive line for example has 3 starters for porto + sakho. your central back pairing has probably the biggest potential in the whole tournament but as current ability is not in the top. not to mention the fact that they are by far the least experienced ones.

regarding your matchup with b1imtf you said the only + he has on your team are inigo and william.

i don't judge by individual players, i judge on overall pairing and i like inigo + zouma better. also m'vila is on the downside of his career at the moment, he was better 3-4 years ago, m'vila / veratti / barkley is not better than william / wilshere / kovacic in my opinion.

just a thing of matchups for me, that's why i voted for you in the game vs jasi in Matchday 1. Also can you vote in the other game in the group? if we aren't voting then who does?
i dont see what makes you say its unbalanced.. i got a cb pairing of a calm tall/strong fast, barkley-lukaku have a great chemistry and so do lucas and neymar who have played together for brazil in all age categories in the last 6-7 years
3 starters for porto? ginter and balanta have a good chance to make a WC squad for a dark horse and a favourite.. i know you already said you dont rate german players in the other thread..
barkley is miles better than kovacic.. i already said william is the better player than mvilla but dont act like you didnt wanted mvilla from a trade with me :oldlol: yet he is washed up now
and i like wilshere but as of right now verratti is basically a rich version of him

attacking trios.. i blow him out of proportion

[cos88]

^ wanted m'vila for the bench, he would not play in place of henderson or pogba. wanted a clasic defensive midfielder and he was on my list because i thought he was not part of your starting team.


he is not the same player from his rennes day, the guy is banned from france football and that says alot. i know you are not a fan of whoscored, but what better way to judge his season than that site? did you watch rubin to see how he plays? i'm sure not. whoscored has him as the 13th best player this season on HIS team based on ratings on the 9th place Rubin ( a few spots higher if you eliminated players with 5 games or less ).

ginter and balanta have 2 caps combined, and if they will make the WC which i think the won't they will be deep on the bench. it's a fact that they are very inexperienced, and it's a fact m'vila is on the downside of his career i don't know why you won't admit that.


am i crazy or something? is it the other way and i'm blind or what? maybe other posters can help with an opinion.

[alenleomessi]

ratings are based on stats WAY TOO MUCH

for example on that site whoscored..
benzema is rated 4th on madrid while dimaria is 6th and modric is freaking 8th.. alonso is 12th while isco is 7th

in barca, pique is 3rd, puyol 6th ( lol), iniesta only 7th, busquets 11th and xavi 15th.. masche who was better than both pique and puyol this season by a landslide is ranked 14th.. jordi alba is 16th.. i lold

in atleti gabi is ranked 1st and tiago 2nd.. arda turan is 12th.. courtois is 18th..


demichelis is rated 5th for city while kompany is 10th..

ok, ill stop.. i think i proved my point and hopefully no one pays attention to your posts when they are based of this shitty site ratings

[cos88]

since you have time to tell people not to read my posts how about you vote in the other matchup?



also funny not a word about what i said about m'vila or your cb pairing :lol


i'll rather see whoscored than reading your biased stuff about any crappy loaned barcelona player or about how your team is flawless.

are you voting or not?

[Jasi]

Hey.
We never finished this.
Funny thread in hindsight.

[alenleomessi]

i had de gea, verratti and neymar.. game over really

[Jasi]

i had de gea, verratti and neymar.. game over really

and M'Vila :lol

[alenleomessi]

and M'Vila :lol
well he played for rubin when i picked him.. year later he is playing for 2010 CL champions Inter :eek:
i called it.. massive career upgrade :bowdown:

[Jasi]

well he played for rubin when i picked him.. year later he is playing for 2010 CL champions Inter :eek:
i called it.. massive career upgrade :bowdown:

:roll:

[blablabla]

anybody want to do another one, with all active players?

[Jasi]

anybody want to do another one, with all active players?
Sure, why not