The elephant in the room when it comes to LeBron vs. Kobe Durant

[dannysc305]

Head to head record. LeBron is 10-3 vs Durant (4-1 in the NBA Finals where he sent KD crying back to his mama), 13-6 vs Kobe. It's the irrefutable inevitable truth Kobe/KD stans keep dodging because they know this truth hurts. It's the elephant in the room nobody wants to notice. There's no convincing me there's a better metric to compare than the Mano y Mano record, other than perhaps the individual stats of each H2H matchup which sounds like a ton of research.

Suck it DuBeta and KoBrick stans.


EDIT: H2H isn't the end all be all when it comes to comparisons... but the H2H record and stats still hold some meaningful value. Credit to MastaKilla and RussWest for the enlightenment.

[JtotheIzzo]

Its also that LeBron is just plain better than both of them and will go down in history as the second best (or even 1a best) non-center to ever play the game.

[Mr. Jabbar]

the only mano a mano i remember 34 year old kobe took prime bran in the asg :applause:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Regular season games

So Melo > Bran right?

[dannysc305]

the only mano a mano i remember 34 year old kobe took prime bran in the asg :applause:

Than it seems you have selective memory my friend. How about the Christmas matchup that same year :lol

[BrownEye007]

Head to head record. LeBron is 10-3 vs Durant (4-1 in the NBA Finals where he sent KD crying back to his mama), 13-6 vs Kobe. It's the irrefutable inevitable truth Kobe/KD stans keep dodging because they know this truth hurts. It's the elephant in the room nobody wants to notice. There's no convincing me there's a better metric to compare than the Mano y Mano record, other than perhaps the individual stats of each H2H matchup which sounds like a ton of research.

Suck it DuBeta and KoBrick stans.
Which you should probably do before making a thread and outrageous claims.

[Cocaine80s]

the only mano a mano i remember 34 year old kobe took prime bran in the asg :applause:
:applause:

the only thing kobe has over lebron is in a exhibition game. thanks for being honest

[Mr. Jabbar]

Than it seems you have selective memory my friend. How about the Christmas matchup that same year :lol

ok im not gonna argue against the xmas mvp :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[MastaKilla]

OP is so smart Isiah>>Jordan :applause:

[dannysc305]

Which you should probably do before making a thread and outrageous claims.

Eh. I'm not THAT dedicated to proving a bunch of internet nerds wrong... These type of thing should be obvious by now. LeBron is just flat out the best all around player.

[jstern]

Can you post the stats for the players during those games?


the only mano a mano i remember 34 year old kobe took prime bran in the asg :applause:

Kobe always raises his defensive intensity during the All Star game. Good for him, that's when things get real. The GOAT defender in the All Star game. If only the other players didn't lower their intensity.

[Mr. Jabbar]

you can tell kobe haunts these guys souls these days... must be the fact they're accepting brans few chips are pretty much undeserved gifts while kobes 09-10 cast has been exposed to death

kobes got solid hardware, not tainted

[Good Ol JR]

KG>> Lebron BAH GAWD hes done it

[dannysc305]

OP is so smart Isiah>>Jordan :applause:

No because Isiah/Jordan isn't even a valid comparison to begin with.

[MastaKilla]

Head to head record. LeBron is 10-3 vs Durant (4-1 in the NBA Finals where he sent KD crying back to his mama), 13-6 vs Kobe. It's the irrefutable inevitable truth Kobe/KD stans keep dodging because they know this truth hurts. It's the elephant in the room nobody wants to notice. There's no convincing me there's a better metric to compare than the Mano y Mano record, other than perhaps the individual stats of each H2H matchup which sounds like a ton of research.

Suck it DuBeta and KoBrick stans.


But dats all dat matters doe :bowdown: :bowdown:

[dannysc305]

Regular season games

So Melo > Bran right?

dang you know what you might have just proved me wrong as well as the dude who brought up jordan/isiah... Fack I thought I was on to something...

Y'all get my point tho

In relation specifically to LBJ/KD/KB... Bron kicks there ass H2H on top of his statistic and achievement advantages

I guess thats all I was trying to say

[russwest0]

Melo > LeBron :applause:

[dannysc305]

Melo > LeBron :applause:

Yeah no theres definitely a flaw in my logic thanks for pointing that out.

Cause we all know thats far from the truth..

[russwest0]

Yeah no theres definitely a flaw in my logic thanks for pointing that out.

Cause we all know thats far from the truth..

A heat fan I can respect.

Why is this so hard to admit? Anytime I make a mistake in logic and get called on it I admit it and move on instead of running with it and making an even bigger joke of myself.

Durant is currently the better player and if he wants to surpass LeBron on the all time lists he needs to win a championship this year.

[MastaKilla]

:roll: OP changes his avatar to the heat after jabbar says that he respects him because of his avatar that was a picture of a girl. I lol'd :cheers:

[Cocaine80s]

A heat fan I can respect.

Why is this so hard to admit? Anytime I make a mistake in logic and get called on it I admit it and move on instead of running with it and making an even bigger joke of myself.

Durant is currently the better player and if he wants to surpass LeBron on the all time lists he needs to win a championship this year.
lol one championship wont be enough to surpass lebron

[russwest0]

lol one championship wont be enough to surpass lebron

LeBron has beat a 50 win team in the playoffs just four times. If Durant wins the championship this year he'll beat four 50 win teams in one championship run alone. Not to mention doing this all while being the first player in over a decade to play over 3000 minutes and win the championship. Along with being on the team that drafted him and just 25 years old...

No doubt a chip this year secures Durants spot over LeBron on the all time lists. Doesn't take anything away from LeBron though, still a good player in his own right.

[Cocaine80s]

LeBron has beat a 50 win team in the playoffs just four times. If Durant wins the championship this year he'll beat four 50 win teams in one championship run alone. Not to mention doing this all while being the first player in over a decade to play over 3000 minutes and win the championship. Along with being on the team that drafted him and just 25 years old...

No doubt a chip this year secures Durants spot over LeBron on the all time lists. Doesn't take anything away from LeBron though, still a good player in his own right.
lmao... stop.


you guys almost went down 2-1 to the fricken grizzlies last night:roll:

durant is playing terrible and is in a funk as well. getting saved by reggie jackson is great for his legacy

[russwest0]

lmao... stop.


you guys almost went down 2-1 to the fricken grizzlies last night:roll:

durant is playing terrible and is in a funk as well. getting saved by reggie jackson is great for his legacy

Remember when D Wade desperately tried to "save" LeBron in the 2011 Finals and failed?

OKC winning last night only shows how adaptive Durant is a player that he can completely play off ball and still have a big impact while helping secure the W. Meanwhile LeBron in 2011 had to dominate the ball at the top of the key only to wear the shotclock down to pass to a double teamed Chalmers.... :facepalm

[Cocaine80s]

Remember when D Wade desperately tried to "save" LeBron in the 2011 Finals and failed?

OKC winning last night only shows how adaptive Durant is a player that he can completely play off ball and still have a big impact while helping secure the W.
:facepalm no... lebron in the 2011 finals showed how big of an impact he has on the game. if lebron isnt playing well the heat have no chance.

durant plays terrible this whole post season and he gets saved by westbrook and jackson :oldlol:

[russwest0]

:facepalm no... lebron in the 2011 finals showed how big of an impact he has on the game. if lebron isnt playing well the heat have no chance.

durant plays terrible this whole post season and he gets saved by westbrook and jackson :oldlol:

So the Heat would have no chance vs the Bobcats without LeBron? :wtf: :biggums:

Do you actually believe the shit you spew?

[Cocaine80s]

So the Heat would have no chance vs the Bobcats without LeBron? :wtf: :biggums:

Do you actually believe the shit you spew?
maybe you should watch the games...

game 2 was close as ****. lebron had great game 1 and 3 to lead the heat. it would be a competitive series without lebron.

heat vs nets/pacers without lebron? heat lose in 5

[russwest0]

Go back to snorting cocaine ****boi

[Cocaine80s]

quitting like durant


http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1342/91/1342913967758.gif

[T_L_P]

LeBron has beat a 50 win team in the playoffs just four times. If Durant wins the championship this year he'll beat four 50 win teams in one championship run alone. Not to mention doing this all while being the first player in over a decade to play over 3000 minutes and win the championship. Along with being on the team that drafted him and just 25 years old...

No doubt a chip this year secures Durants spot over LeBron on the all time lists. Doesn't take anything away from LeBron though, still a good player in his own right.

Where exactly does all this put Durant, assuming he wins the chip this year?

[Cocaine80s]

Where exactly does all this put Durant, assuming he wins the chip this year?
apparently one ring and an mvp is enough to enter the top 10 all time

[dubeta]

Where exactly does all this put Durant, assuming he wins the chip this year?

Puts Durant ahead of Kobe but that doesnt really mean much, just top 25

[Rocketswin2013]

Its also that LeBron is just plain better than both of them and will go down in history as the second best (or even 1a best) non-center to ever play the game.
Callm down. He'll peak out at #2 all-time if everything goes great. Kobe and Durant have absolutely no case over him though.

[DMAVS41]

Yea, but how many Christmas MVP's do they each have?

[gts]

Yeah no theres definitely a flaw in my logic thanks for pointing that out.

Cause we all know thats far from the truth..

looks like the Lelephant was really just a mouse in disguise

[dannysc305]

:roll: OP changes his avatar to the heat after jabbar says that he respects him because of his avatar that was a picture of a girl. I lol'd :cheers:

you must have me mistaken i had this avatar for years

[Akrazotile]

Head to head record. LeBron is 10-3 vs Durant (4-1 in the NBA Finals where he sent KD crying back to his mama), 13-6 vs Kobe. It's the irrefutable inevitable truth Kobe/KD stans keep dodging because they know this truth hurts. It's the elephant in the room nobody wants to notice. There's no convincing me there's a better metric to compare than the Mano y Mano record, other than perhaps the individual stats of each H2H matchup which sounds like a ton.


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:roll: (on multiple levels)

[Prometheus]

There's no convincing me there's a better metric to compare than the Mano y Mano record, other than perhaps the individual stats of each H2H matchup which sounds like a ton of research.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=jamesle01&p2=duranke01

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=jamesle01&p2=bryanko01

Basketball-reference.com = :bowdown: #1 best website in the world, followed by ISH at #2

[SilkkTheShocker]

Durant fans have mastered the art of hypothetical scenarios. They made their boy the HYPOTHETICAL GOAT :oldlol:

[dannysc305]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=jamesle01&p2=duranke01

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=jamesle01&p2=bryanko01

Basketball-reference.com = :bowdown: #1 best website in the world, followed by ISH at #2

Thanks man. Those links need to be stickied to the top of the forum for reference every time people debate LBJ/KB/KD

Facts>opinions

[catquickspider]

I think Bron stans are coming to grips with reality and realize that Bron has no chance at 7,6, or ever 5 rings unless he pulls another bitch move with 2 other superstars.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I think Bron stans are coming to grips with reality and realize that Bron has no chance at 7,6, or ever 5 rings unless he pulls another bitch move with 2 other superstars.

Another Kobe fans mad about LeBron being better than their hero ever was:oldlol:

[Prometheus]

I think Bron stans are coming to grips with reality and realize that Bron has no chance at 7,6, or ever 5 rings unless he pulls another bitch move with 2 other superstars.

Are you crying?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Yea, but how many Christmas MVP's do they each have?

KD could HYPOTHETICALLY have more by the time he retires -KD stans

[dannysc305]

I think Bron stans are coming to grips with reality and realize that Bron has no chance at 7,6, or ever 5 rings unless he pulls another bitch move with 2 other superstars.

Well neither does anyone else :confusedshrug:

[kurple]

Its also that LeBron is just plain better than both of them and will go down in history as the second best (or even 1a best) non-center to ever play the game.
posts like that makes me sick

[ArbitraryWater]

So the Heat would have no chance vs the Bobcats without LeBron? :wtf: :biggums:

Do you actually believe the shit you spew?

Dont you YOURSELF say the East/Bobcats is WEAK? So yea, they better win without LeBron... your logic is 2 sided bullshit.

[ArbitraryWater]

posts like that makes me sick

Is it REALLY sick to put Magic/Bird below LeBron all Time AFTER his career is done? I mean, how "sick" would that be, dumbass?

Seems perfectly reasonable to me... so what the **** are you talking about?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

inb4 Durstans and Kobricktards avoid this thread like the black plague:coleman:

[GimmeThat]

it's why the big 3 works for Miami.

[riseagainst]

this is the mano e mano OP was talking about:

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1446915/kobereturns_medium.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

this is the mano e mano OP was talking about:

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1446915/kobereturns_medium.gif

How mad does it make Laker Fans that Kobe gave his biggest defensive Effort of the entire Year in an Exhibition Game?

[Cold soul]

How mad does it make Laker Fans that Kobe gave his biggest defensive Effort of the entire Year in an Exhibition Game?

34 years old, 17th season. :confusedshrug: