Pacers - biggest collapse in NBA history?

[Connor B]

One of the biggest in sports history in general?

I am actually upset that this team is made up of individuals on the roster and coaching staff so immature/lazy/beta/retarded/cocky/etc. that they are literally incapable of beating a sub-.500 8-seed team missing its best player. This same team was at one point on pace to win 67 teams and was called by several commentators one of the more stacked and complete teams in NBA history and many said they would beat the Heat. Now look.

How is this even possible? Vogel needs to be fired immediately, and then I don't even know what I would do.

[DFish24]

Bran 2011

[Meticode]

Your thread is so knee-jerk. The Pacers go into the playoffs playing literally their worst basketball of the season. You call for coaches being fired and they're not even done with series yet. Yell they're not even done with game 4 and you made the thread.

[christian1923]

Espn 30/30 on these nigggggas coming soon.

[SilkkTheShocker]

04 Lakers were unanimous favorites to win it all

[JohnFreeman]

I am not sure about biggest, but certainly the worst 1st seed

[SilkkTheShocker]

Espn 30/30 on these nigggggas coming soon.

None of them are worth talking about. That team has no personality at all unless you like thugs that push their pregnant girlfriends down stairs.

[Harison]

LA '04, LA '69, MIA '11 were bigger collapses, but still, Pacers implosion in the 1st round was unexpected.

Oh, and Hibbert's 0 PTS 0 TRB in todays game doesnt even surprise me :confusedshrug:

[SilkkTheShocker]

I am not sure about biggest, but certainly the worst 1st seed

Worst 1 seed losing is still Dallas. They looked flat out dominant all most of the season and they lost to the And 1 mixfape tour in the first round.

[poido123]

Combination of bad coach, poor off the court issues and players not getting along is causing the collapse.

No way does a Pacers team focused lose to this Hawks team...

[bootsy]

LA '04, LA '69, MIA '11 were bigger collapses, but still, Pacers implosion in the 1st round was unexpected.


:wtf: :biggums: LOL no. None of those teams lost to teams 6 games under .500 to an 8th seed in the 1st round of the playoffs.

[KyleKong]

Bran 2011

Kobe 2004

:kobe:

[JohnFreeman]

LA '04, LA '69, MIA '11 were bigger collapses, but still, Pacers implosion in the 1st round was unexpected.

Oh, and Hibbert's 0 PTS 0 TRB in todays game doesnt even surprise me :confusedshrug:
Not really a collapse, they still made it to the finals

[DaSeba5]

:wtf: :biggums: LOL no. None of those teams lost to teams 6 games under .500 to an 8th seed in the 1st round of the playoffs.

This

[deja vu]

Dallas 2007

[The-Legend-24]

Bran 2011
:oldlol: :applause:

[TylerOO]

There's gonna be a 30 for 30 documentary on this collapse in 20 years

[Connor B]

Your thread is so knee-jerk. The Pacers go into the playoffs playing literally their worst basketball of the season. You call for coaches being fired and they're not even done with series yet. Yell they're not even done with game 4 and you made the thread.

So you think Frank Vogel deserves to keep his job after two whole months of seeing his team's chemistry completely deteriorate? Also, you think they still have a chance in this series? These aren't fluke losses. They are that bad.

[CarlosBoozer]

Why do people keep saying 2011 Heat :biggums:

They made it to the finals :lol

[Harison]

:wtf: :biggums: LOL no. None of those teams lost to teams 6 games under .500 to an 8th seed in the 1st round of the playoffs.

You missed the point. I meant the biggest implosions in NBA's history, regardless what round it was.

Furthermore, Pacers loss wasnt as unexpected as those teams losses.

[G-train]

LA '04, LA '69, MIA '11 were bigger collapses, but still, Pacers implosion in the 1st round was unexpected.

Oh, and Hibbert's 0 PTS 0 TRB in todays game doesnt even surprise me :confusedshrug:

A team losing an NBA finals is not even close to a first seed losing in first round to a team that is below average.

Yet I would still say it was somewhat expected, as their Front Office greatly undervalued team chemistry.

[bootsy]

Dallas 2007
Dallas is neck and neck. However I would take that GS team over this Atl team.

[JohnFreeman]

Why do people keep saying 2011 Heat :biggums:

They made it to the finals :lol
haters

[SilkkTheShocker]

Literally no one picked he Pistons to beat LA in 04. They were 100% favorites. It's hilarious to see Kobe stans say 2011 when they have 2004 under their belt :oldlol:

[FLDFSU]

Why do people keep saying 2011 Heat :biggums:

They made it to the finals :lol

:applause:

[Beastmode88]

https://vine.co/v/MvPhbTrq9KO

[FLDFSU]

You missed the point. I meant the biggest implosions in NBA's history, regardless what round it was.

Furthermore, Pacers loss wasnt as unexpected as those teams losses.

7 of 22 ESPN experts picked the Mavs to win the finals

Prior to the playoffs MOST experts didn't even expect the Heat to get past the Celtics in the second round.

EVERY SINGLE ESPN expert picked the Pacers to beat the Hawks.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Literally no one picked he Pistons to beat LA in 04. They were 100% favorites. It's hilarious to see Kobe stans say 2011 when they have 2004 under their belt :oldlol:
This is true. Lakers were 5:1 betting favorites in 2004 while Heat were just 2:1 in 2011.

[Harison]

7 of 22 ESPN experts picked the Mavs to win the finals

Prior to the playoffs MOST experts didn't even expect the Heat to get past the Celtics in the second round.

EVERY SINGLE ESPN expert picked the Pacers to beat the Hawks.

Thats a lie, experts (and fans) had Miami as heavy favorites.

[christian1923]

This is true. Lakers were 5:1 betting favorites in 2004 while Heat were just 2:1 in 2011.
2:1 odds means the heat were more of the favorites to win it all than the 5:1 odds the lakers had.

[SilkkTheShocker]

This is true. Lakers were 5:1 betting favorites in 2004 while Heat were just 2:1 in 2011.

Both are chokes, but Kobe stans can't even pretend that the 2004 was any better. Detroit probably doesn't even beat NJ if Kidd doesn't get hurt.

[Mr. Jabbar]

its the east, no team winning or losing there is considered collapse/success, monumental things collapse, like 2004 lakers, pacers were never big. bran didnt collapse, he choked (which was expected).

[Cone]

Those saying 2007 mavs are clueless. playoffs is all about matchups, and that was the worst possible match up for them. Dallas got swept in the reg season by golden state...

biggest collapse is either spurs losing to 8th memphis or this year indy

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Both are chokes, but Kobe stans can't even pretend that the 2004 was any better. Detroit probably doesn't even beat NJ if Kidd doesn't get hurt.
Both were definitely chokes. No doubt about that.

[FLDFSU]

Thats a lie, experts (and fans) had Miami as heavy favorites.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/04/13/experts.picks.playoffs/


And according to nba.com experts picks PRIOR to the season, the Lakers were heavy, heavy, heavy favorites to win it all.

Vegas had the Lakers as well.

But no, MOST experts did not have the Heat defeating the Celtics.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Those saying 2007 mavs are clueless. playoffs is all about matchups, and that was the worst possible match up for them. Dallas got swept in the reg season by golden state...

biggest collapse is either spurs losing to 8th memphis or this year indy

Dude, Dallas look godly for almost the whole season. They got off to an 0-4 start than went apeshit the rest of the season. That team had some nasty mid-range shooters are in it. Used to be the point I would get shocked when they missed. It was a bad matchup, but still a huge, huge shock they lost.

[SilkkTheShocker]

its the east, no team winning or losing there is considered collapse/success, monumental things collapse, like 2004 lakers, pacers were never big. bran didnt collapse, he choked (which was expected).

Agree with this part. This Pacer team is too boring to talk about for the most part. History will forget them

[FLDFSU]

And ESPN only had it 7-5 in favor of Miami beating Boston, and of the 7 that picked the Heat...

6 of them picked the Heat in 7.


So again, how were the Heat heavy favorites?

[SamuraiSWISH]

2014 Pacers
2011 LeBron
2007 Mavericks and Dirk
1994 Sonics

[deja vu]

Those saying 2007 mavs are clueless. playoffs is all about matchups, and that was the worst possible match up for them. Dallas got swept in the reg season by golden state...

biggest collapse is either spurs losing to 8th memphis or this year indy
If you're 67-15 there's no bad matchup for you. You're supposed to be superior to the rest of the league, never mind against a team that barely squeaked in. Dirk choked big time in that series.

[FLDFSU]

If you're 67-15 there's no bad matchup for you. You're supposed to be superior to the rest of the league, never mind against a team that barely squeaked in. Dirk choked big time in that series.


And Dirk was the MVP that year too.

[Bobcats2013]

If you're 67-15 there's no bad matchup for you. You're supposed to be superior to the rest of the league, never mind against a team that barely squeaked in. Dirk choked big time in that series.

This is not true. You can't say this unless you're Floyd Mayweather Jr who's undefeated and in the majority of his wins never loss more than a round or two. WE BELIEVE was more than just a fad.

[SilkkTheShocker]

If you're 67-15 there's no bad matchup for you. You're supposed to be superior to the rest of the league, never mind against a team that barely squeaked in. Dirk choked big time in that series.

this. It gets underrated because of his 2011 playoffs. But that series is still a huge black mark on his career. GS was guarding Dirk with Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes.

[dazzer87]

Literally no one picked he Pistons to beat LA in 04. They were 100% favorites. It's hilarious to see Kobe stans say 2011 when they have 2004 under their belt :oldlol:
Only guy I remember was this guy.

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Haier+Shooting+Stars+hB-tUucmwOom.jpg

[BlackVVaves]

Considering how long their collapse has spanned over the last 4 months, I'd say this spiral is the most chronicled implosion in NBA history for a #1 seed. At least as far as I can remember.

Also, the 2004 Lakers and 2011 Heat actually made it to the Finals. This Indy team is about to lose to the legitimately worse team out of the 16 teams in the playoffs. The Bobcats are a better team than the Hawks. I think the Bulls are too; both teams just ran into a horrid, horrid match up when it comes to available talent.

[JohnFreeman]

2014 Pacers
2011 LeBron
2007 Mavericks and Dirk
1994 Sonics
2011 "MVP" Rose. First seed and one of the best defenses in the league, puts up god awful numbers against the Heat

[Qwyjibo]

Why are people naming teams that made it to the Finals here? Do you realize how stupid that is regardless of who was favoured in the series? It's a 7-game series against another great team. Bad teams don't make it to the Finals. It's a pretty damn good accomplishment to make it that far.

The Pacers losing in the 1st round is far worse than the Heat or Lakers or whatever other team losing in the Finals.

[PickernRoller]

Bran 2011

:applause:

[BlackVVaves]

Why are people naming teams that made it to the Finals here? Do you realize how stupid that is regardless of who was favoured in the series? It's a 7-game series against another great team. Bad teams don't make it to the Finals. It's a pretty damn good accomplishment to make it that far.

The Pacers losing in the 1st round is far worse than the Heat or Lakers or whatever other team losing in the Finals.

Thank you.

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe vs Phoenix 2006 game 7

[kamil]

Oh, and Hibbert's 0 PTS 0 TRB in todays game doesnt even surprise me :confusedshrug:

Was Hibbert really that useless? I find it impossible for a big man like Hibbert to contribute basically NOTHING unless he's doing it purposely.

[nzahir]

Kobe 2004
Yup...admitted from an la fan too

[The-Legend-24]

Bran vs Celtics 2010

[Ethem]

Considering how long their collapse has spanned over the last 4 months, I'd say this spiral is the most chronicled implosion in NBA history for a #1 seed. At least as far as I can remember.


That's the key for me. This wasn't just a collapse over the course of a series. The 2007 Mavs played bad for 4 games. This Pacers team has played bad for 4 months.

[SamuraiSWISH]

2011 "MVP" Rose. First seed and one of the best defenses in the league, puts up god awful numbers against the Heat
Nah. Got to the Conference Finals, lost to a way more talented team that cowardly stacked their roster to ensure victory the summer prior. Thibs Bulls consistently outperform in the regular season, yet underperform in the playoffs due to lack of talent. LeBron got outplayed by Jason Terry.

[nzahir]

Nah. Got to the Conference Finals, lost to a way more talented team that cowardly stacked their roster to ensure victory the summer prior. Thibs Bulls consistently outperform in the regular season, yet underperform in the playoffs due to lack of talent. LeBron got outplayed by Jason Terry.
Mario chalmers outplayed rose

[BlackVVaves]

Nah. Got to the Conference Finals, lost to a way more talented team that cowardly stacked their roster to ensure victory the summer prior. Thibs Bulls consistently outperform in the regular season, yet underperform in the playoffs due to lack of talent. LeBron got outplayed by Jason Terry.

http://i.imgur.com/w2Doy.gif

[Heavincent]

Kobe vs Phoenix 2006 game 7

a 7 seed losing to a 2 seed in game 7 is a collapse? The **** are you talking about?

[JohnFreeman]

a 7 seed losing to a 2 seed in game 7 is a collapse? The **** are you talking about?
Kobe gave up on the team, and the Lakers collapsed.

[Heavincent]

Kobe gave up on the team, and the Lakers collapsed.

So you're telling me a one man show losing to the 2 seed Suns in 7 games is a worst collapse than the 1 seed Pacers losing to an under .500 Hawks team?

It's not even a collapse. The infinitely more talented team eventually prevailed after Kobe's ridiculous heroics in the early part of the series got the Lakers a few wins. Hell, Kobe dropped 50 in game 6 and still lost.

[JohnFreeman]

So you're telling me a one man show losing to the 2 seed Suns in 7 games is a worst collapse than the 1 seed Pacers losing to an under .500 Hawks team?

It's not even a collapse. The infinitely more talented team eventually prevailed after Kobe's ridiculous heroics in the early part of the series.
I never said it was the biggest...I might not have clarified

[LogicalFan]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

So few people on this thread understand the concept of "biggest collapse." Is losing a tight Finals series despite being a favorite a "collapse?" No. It's a surprise. A disappointment, but not a collapse.

Is team losing a 3-0 or 3-1 series lead a collapse? Yes.

Is a #1 seed losing to a sub .500 team a historic collapse? Yes.

That's the criteria we're talking about.

[Heavincent]

I never said it was the biggest...I might not have clarified

It's not even close.

[Connor B]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

So few people on this thread understand the concept of "biggest collapse." Is losing a tight Finals series despite being a favorite a "collapse?" No. It's a surprise. A disappointment, but not a collapse.

Is team losing a 3-0 or 3-1 series lead a collapse? Yes.

Is a #1 seed losing to a sub .500 team a historic collapse? Yes.

That's the criteria we're talking about.]

This.

You guys are ****ing retarded.

[buddha]

I am not sure about biggest, but certainly the worst 1st seed

To be fair the Heat should have been the first seed but they purposely lost at the end of the season to duck the Hawks for some reason.

[JohnFreeman]

To be fair the Heat should have been the first seed but they purposely lost at the end of the season to duck the Hawks for some reason.
Maybe they knew the Hawks would give Pacers trouble? Heat needed to rest more then the Pacers as well

[SilkkTheShocker]

To be fair the Heat should have been the first seed but they purposely lost at the end of the season to duck the Hawks for some reason.
No they didn't. They coasted almost the entire season. Only team that legit tanked in the east for seeding was Brooklyn.

[ShackEelOKneel]

I think it is certainly in contention. There have been other 1st seeds to lose to 8th seeds, but you could make the argument that it was a bad match up rather than a collapse. Pacers were obviously collapsing towards the end of the season no matter what the match up.

[Crafty]

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/t1.0-9/10250099_852437664784759_2915366408902850780_n.jpg ?oh=c203089f0999526932e2e531f17b9e04&oe=53D05C94

[miggyme1]

not the biggest...that sonics team that lost to the nuggets in the first round was worse and the 07 mavs team that lost was worse...i also believe both teams had better records than the pacers do too.

[Dro]

Ehh...not too much to say about last night's game...Can't do much when the Hawks are shooting lights out, give them credit for that...Mike Scott had the game of his life, that was ridiculous....The Pacers need to play with the same fire they played with near the end of the 3rd and in the 4th quarter. Of course, some of that is probably complacency on the Hawks part because they were up by so much...I really don't have much of a problem with how the Pacers played actually..They played much better after they started switching everything. They should be doing that from the beginning of the game because most of the ATL players just want to shoot 3's and why not, they're a great 3 point shooting team...Switch all the screens or most of them and make these guys make plays off the dribble...The Pacers were pretty successful doing that later in the game but it was too late...Roy was in foul trouble and didn't do anything anyway but a few other Pacers had good games, PG, CJ, Lance had an ok game...G Hill had a good game...

They just have to put this game out of their memory and try to play game 6 like they played the last 2 quarters of game 5 and they'll have a shot...Bring it to a game 7 and anything can happen....Lose to the Hawks, go down as worst #1 seed ever. Come back and beat the Hawks, go on to face Miami and who knows...

Not much you can do though when a team is shooting like ATL did tonight...Its not like they were wide open either, many of their 3's were contested and some were just ridiculous(a couple of Korver's come to mind).
Good game ATL, great shooting...

As for this thread, premature until the series is actually over...What if they go on and win and get to the Finals or even the ECF? Then nobody will remember the 1st round..thats how it always goes...Does it look good at this point? No, it doesn't...Is the series over? No, its not....

[YouGotServed]

Ehh...not too much to say about last night's game...Can't do much when the Hawks are shooting lights out, give them credit for that...Mike Scott had the game of his life, that was ridiculous....The Pacers need to play with the same fire they played with near the end of the 3rd and in the 4th quarter. Of course, some of that is probably complacency on the Hawks part because they were up by so much...I really don't have much of a problem with how the Pacers played actually..They played much better after they started switching everything. They should be doing that from the beginning of the game because most of the ATL players just want to shoot 3's and why not, they're a great 3 point shooting team...Switch all the screens or most of them and make these guys make plays off the dribble...The Pacers were pretty successful doing that later in the game but it was too late...Roy was in foul trouble and didn't do anything anyway but a few other Pacers had good games, PG, CJ, Lance had an ok game...G Hill had a good game...

They just have to put this game out of their memory and try to play game 6 like they played the last 2 quarters of game 5 and they'll have a shot...Bring it to a game 7 and anything can happen....Lose to the Hawks, go down as worst #1 seed ever. Come back and beat the Hawks, go on to face Miami and who knows...

Not much you can do though when a team is shooting like ATL did tonight...Its not like they were wide open either, many of their 3's were contested and some were just ridiculous(a couple of Korver's come to mind).
Good game ATL, great shooting...

As for this thread, premature until the series is actually over...What if they go on and win and get to the Finals or even the ECF? Then nobody will remember the 1st round..thats how it always goes...Does it look good at this point? No, it doesn't...Is the series over? No, its not....

tl;dr

Hawks in 6.

[keep-itreal]

tl;dr

Hawks in 6.

:roll: :roll:

[JohnFreeman]

tl;dr

Hawks in 6.
:roll:

[MostHated305]

To be fair the Heat should have been the first seed but they purposely lost at the end of the season to duck the Hawks for some reason.


Prove it or GTFOH!

[FireDavidKahn]

Biggest in sports history? Not even in the same universe as the 2003-04 Yankee collapse to the Red Sox.

[jbryan1984]

How about Dallas in 07? Best record in the league, had just come up short in the finals the year before, everyone picking them to win. At least they had some great games with Golden State but it was disappointing.

Chicago two years ago. The reigning MVP begins in game of the first round what is still going on today.

Cleveland in 09 and 10. More 2010 than 09 coming from a Cavs fan. Just because, we knew Orlando would give us trouble in 09 and they did but we totally overlooked a healthy Boston team in 2010. Nobody at all thought they had a chance and they went all the way to the finals for a game 7.

[f0und]

im gonna give the 07 mavs a bit of a pass. they were playing their old coach, don nelson. after nelson left the mavs, he always had their number. even tho the warriors were the inferior team, nelson's team usually beat his old team.

in the reg season that year, the warriors swept the season series against the mavs. going into the playoffs, everyone knew that golden state was the most dangerous matchup for dallas, so the playoff loss wasnt completely unexpected.

[rzp]

How about Dallas in 07? Best record in the league, had just come up short in the finals the year before, everyone picking them to win. At least they had some great games with Golden State but it was disappointing.

Chicago two years ago. The reigning MVP begins in game of the first round what is still going on today.

Cleveland in 09 and 10. More 2010 than 09 coming from a Cavs fan. Just because, we knew Orlando would give us trouble in 09 and they did but we totally overlooked a healthy Boston team in 2010. Nobody at all thought they had a chance and they went all the way to the finals for a game 7.

That was more like the biggest mismatch in NBA history (didn't GS swept Mavs in the regular season also?), some people were predicting trouble in that series.

Mavs would be fine if GS wasnt on his way :lol , probly would have won it all.

[rzp]

im gonna give the 07 mavs a bit of a pass. they were playing their old coach, don nelson. after nelson left the mavs, he always had their number. even tho the warriors were the inferior team, nelson's team usually beat his old team.

in the reg season that year, the warriors swept the season series against the mavs. going into the playoffs, everyone knew that golden state was the most dangerous matchup for dallas, so the playoff loss wasnt completely unexpected.

LOL thats it, i didnt read your post :lol

[steve]

If a team wins a round in the playoffs, they have to exempt from this kind of conversation, at least how it was originally framed. If we were going to do it by a series by series basis, maybe that would open a door but it becomes less of a collapse once better teams are present (or if injuries are a reason, etc...).

To keep something in mind with this Pacers team, they've been playing such mediocre basketball for pretty much all of 2014 that I'm not sure who still had them as legit title contenders. Certainly not after the Heat handled them late in the season or the Hawks blew them out when they were still vying for a number 1 seed. It's still surprising the Hawks are up in this series but then a lot of people have been predicting a loss in the 2nd round regardless of who they match up with. The number 1 seeds in the early '00s Eastern Conference were more respected than this and everyone then pretty much saw them as fodder for the Lakers/Spurs/Kings/Mavs in the West. The Pacers collapse started a long time ago.

The '07 Mavericks are certainly up there but their faults have been pointed out. They had an amazing run after dropping their first 4 games that season (oddly, the Suns, who also won 61 games, dropped their first 5, I think, including being the team the Mavs snapped their opening losing streak with). Still, they arguably weren't the best team in the West that season and they were swept by the Warriors in the regular season and commentators weren't necessarily predicting a series loss but they weren't exactly feeling good about the Mavs playing the Warriors in the first round.

For me, it's easily the '94 Sonics. Going through the '94 season, this team was a legit all time great team with an elite offense and defense that season. They had gone 2-2 against the Nuggets during the regular season but then ran over the Nuggets in the first two games. Keep in mind every other 8/1 upset started with an 8 seed winning the first game, so the way this series ended was particularly shocking.

[f0und]

That was more like the biggest mismatch in NBA history (didn't GS swept Mavs in the regular season also?), some people were predicting trouble in that series.

Mavs would be fine if GS wasnt on his way :lol , probly would have won it all.

i agree. they were prob still the best team that year but something about golden state gave them fits. the pacers on the other hand have just completely collapsed. they look nothing like an elite team and would lose against ANY team, not just one that has their number.

[kurple]

they were never that good. they were solid but not great

east is just THAT bad

and to be fair. ATL was pretty decent before they had all the injury problems. Give them some ****ing credit

[Demitri98]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=318415

:oldlol:

[Real14]

Bran 2011
end thread.

[LogicalFan]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=318415

:oldlol:

:lol :oldlol: LMFAO, hindsight.