BS: "Wilt is the most dominant scorer ever"

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt's regular season scoring stats

1959-60: 37.6 ppg on 32.1 fga, 13.8 fta
1960-61: 38.4 ppg on 31.1 fga, 13.3 fta
1961-62: 50.4 ppg on 39.5 fga, 17.0 fta
1962-63: 44.8 ppg on 34.6 fga, 13.9 fta
1963-64: 36.9 ppg on 28.7 fga, 12.7 fta
1964-65: 34.7 ppg on 28.5 fga, 12.1 fta
1965-66: 33.5 ppg on 25.2 fga, 12.4 fta

How is this the "most dominant scorer ever" again?

Imagine if Shaq or Kareem got that many touches in the post and were able to face such little defensive attention that they could average over 30 fga per game or even 40 fga.

We all know that MJ, KAJ, Shaq, Hakeem, Kobe, Bran, West, Baylor, Oscar, Dirk, ect are all better scorers in the playoffs than Wilt so I'm not going to mention the playoffs.

[r0drig0lac]

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[deja vu]

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[G-train]

Imagine if......

That's the problem. He actually did it. So it doesn't matter what you imagine.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt's regular season scoring stats

1959-60: 37.6 ppg on 32.1 fga, 13.8 fta
1960-61: 38.4 ppg on 31.1 fga, 13.3 fta
1961-62: 50.4 ppg on 39.5 fga, 17.0 fta
1962-63: 44.8 ppg on 34.6 fga, 13.9 fta
1963-64: 36.9 ppg on 28.7 fga, 12.7 fta
1964-65: 34.7 ppg on 28.5 fga, 12.1 fta
1965-66: 33.5 ppg on 25.2 fga, 12.4 fta

How is this the "most dominant scorer ever" again?

Imagine if Shaq or Kareem got that many touches in the post and were able to face such little defensive attention that they could average over 30 fga per game or even 40 fga.

We all know that MJ, KAJ, Shaq, Hakeem, Kobe, Bran, West, Baylor, Oscar, Dirk, ect are all better scorers in the playoffs than Wilt so I'm not going to mention the playoffs.

Don't forget Wilt's 66-67 season, then, either, when he averaged 24 ppg on 14 FGAs per game. Had that Chamberlain been given even 30 FGAs, he would have shattered his own 50.4 ppg record.

Oh, and how about a '73 Wilt, who averaged 13 ppg on 7 FGAs. Give that Chamberlain 28 FGAs, and he would have averaged 52 ppg.


BTW, Hakeem averaged 32.8 ppg on 29 FGAs in the '95 Finals (in a post-season in which team's took less than 80 FGAs, and shot much higher than his .488 eFG%.) And Kareem averaged 33.7 ppg on 32.5 FGAs against an old Wilt in the '72 WCF's. Obviously those two didn't have the strength to take 30+ FGAs without a dramatic decline in their scoring...

[JohnFreeman]

Kareem?

[GODbe]

Exposed:applause: . That title belongs to GOATbe.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Does anybody have the stats of Wilt, KAJ, MJ, Shaq, Kobe, ect in their 50-point games, particularly the ppg, fga, fta? 40-point games also.

[LAZERUSS]

BTW, had Chamberlain taken 63 FGAs in his last 60+ point game (66 points on 29-35 FG/FGA), which came just before Kareem would arrive the very next season...

and he would have scored 120 points, instead of that measley 100 point game that he had earlier in his career.

[LAZERUSS]

Does anybody have the stats of Wilt, KAJ, MJ, Shaq, Kobe, ect in their 50-point games, particularly the ppg, fga, fta? 40-point games also.

A 39 year old Kareem dumped 46 points on a 23 year old Hakeem, on 30 FGAs (21-30), and in only 37 minutes...

[Deuce Bigalow]

BTW, had Chamberlain taken 63 FGAs in his last 60+ point game (66 points on 29-35 FG/FGA), which came just before Kareem would arrive the very next season...

and he would have scored 120 points, instead of that measley 100 point game that he had earlier in his career.
According to Marchesk's thread, Wilt in his 32 regular season career 60-point games averaged 66 ppg on 45 fga, 20 fta

Kobe in his 5 regular season career 60-point games averaged 65.8 ppg on 36.8 ppg, 19 fta

[CavaliersFTW]

Imagine if they had Wilt's freakish stamina and durability, then maybe they'd get those volumes of touches! As even the great Phil Jackson said (competitor of Wilt, coach of Shaq), what separated Wilt as the better athlete was specifically his GOAT-level stamina and conditioning. Saying "Imagine if those guys got those touches!" lol... Imagine YOU had Wilt's athleticism and conditioning while you're at it, how many points a game would YOU score back then Deuce, if it's as easy as gifting other players Wilt's unique abilities :oldlol:

/thread

[Levity]

anyone know if "3 in the key" was an enforced rule back then?

[CavaliersFTW]

anyone know if "3 in the key" was an enforced rule back then?
There's no such thing as a "key" without that rule being enforced, that's the very purpose of a key. Except maybe in the modern game where I see guys camping in there for 5-6 seconds at a time. Something I do not see in all the games I've collected from the 1950's to the early 1970's. It seems refs these days are very slack on calling it, much like they are about carries when guards and forwards dribble.

[Deuce Bigalow]

anyone know if "3 in the key" was an enforced rule back then?
Since 1936 according to this http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_seconds_rule

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt:

100 on 63 FGA
73 on 43 FGA
70 on 38 FGA
68 on 40 FGA
67 on 37 FGA
67 on 38 FGA
66 on 35 FGA
62 on 39 FGA
61 on 36 FGA
60 on 36 FGA
58 on 34 FGA
53 on 23 FGA
53 on 25 FGA
53 on 29 FGA
42 on 18 FGA (18-18 FG/FGA)


He also had a 41 point game on 16-17 FGA and 9-11 FTA.

[Levity]

There's no such thing as a "key" without that rule being enforced, that's the very purpose of a key. Except maybe in the modern game where I see guys camping in there for 5-6 seconds at a time. Something I do not see in all the games I've collected from the 1950's to the early 1970's. It seems refs these days are very slack on calling it, much like they are about carries when guards and forwards dribble.

gotcha. i was just asking because, in my opinion, without that rule in place, it really benefits a 7+ footer offensively during those times.

[TheAnchorman]

You're not the most dominant scorer if you consistently underperform against your biggest rival at the biggest stage of basketball over and over again.

[CavaliersFTW]

gotcha. i was just asking because, in my opinion, without that rule in place, it really benefits a 7+ footer offensively during those times.
Watch any of the games from that time, it is much more strictly enforced and adhered too then than it is today, they were strict about it because they did NOT want guys like Wilt or Kareem to be as dominant back then... there's nobody in the league today with even half their dominance inside so I speculate that's why they don't give a shit about calling it at the present time.

[LAZERUSS]

You're not the most dominant scorer if you consistently underperform against your biggest rival at the biggest stage of basketball over and over again.

You mean the Wilt who nearly AVERAGED a 30 ppg, 30 rpg, .510 FG% (in leagues that shot about .430 in that same span) game, every time the two stepped on the court ...in 143 career H2H's with Russell?

By comparison, Russell looked like Joe Frazier using his face to pound George Foreman's fists in their '73 bout...

[Psileas]

You're not the most dominant scorer if you consistently underperform against your biggest rival at the biggest stage of basketball over and over again.

If your biggest rival happens to be the GOAT defensive player, underperforming against him is the norm, including the most dominant scorers. There's no center who overperformed vs Russell, and that's normal.
Kareem underperformed often against early 70's elite defenders.
Jordan underperformed often against the late 80's Pistons.
Shaq underperformed often against the Spurs.

[dc_chilling]

Have you ever watched film from that era?

Guards can't dribble without looking down, there are tons of set jump shots, and everything is slower. It like watching old people play at the YMCA.

You simply can't compare eras. So yes, Wilt was the best player during his era, but that doesn't make him the GOAT. Every team from that era, including the Celtics, would get waxed by the Bobcats. It's just the truth.

Luckily in a sport like track or swimming you can see that the modern participants are better than they ever were in the past because of their times. No one can argue Bolt isn't the fastest sprinter ever to compete in the Olympics. If the races hadn't been timed however, you would have people claiming some dude from the 60's would run by Bolt like he was standing still. Athletes evolve, skills evolve, knowledge of the sport evolves, just let it go.

[oarabbus]

Wilt's regular season scoring stats

1959-60: 37.6 ppg on 32.1 fga, 13.8 fta
1960-61: 38.4 ppg on 31.1 fga, 13.3 fta
1961-62: 50.4 ppg on 39.5 fga, 17.0 fta
1962-63: 44.8 ppg on 34.6 fga, 13.9 fta
1963-64: 36.9 ppg on 28.7 fga, 12.7 fta
1964-65: 34.7 ppg on 28.5 fga, 12.1 fta
1965-66: 33.5 ppg on 25.2 fga, 12.4 fta

How is this the "most dominant scorer ever" again?

Imagine if Shaq or Kareem got that many touches in the post and were able to face such little defensive attention that they could average over 30 fga per game or even 40 fga.

We all know that MJ, KAJ, Shaq, Hakeem, Kobe, Bran, West, Baylor, Oscar, Dirk, ect are all better scorers in the playoffs than Wilt so I'm not going to mention the playoffs.


Sorry Wilt stans, that isn't looking good. At all.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Sorry Wilt stans, that isn't looking good. At all.
1962-63 may look good, but his team went 31-49 and missed the playoffs with Wilt playing every game.

[SexSymbol]

Wilt's the most overrated player ever.
No chance he's in the top ten.
And I love how Cavaliers /threaded his own post. You know your argument is weak when you have to back yourself up with a /thread :D

[Deuce Bigalow]

Playoffs

1960: 33.2 ppg on 28.0 fga, 12.2 fta
1961: 37.0 ppg on 32.0 fga, 12.7 fta
1962: 35.0 ppg on 28.9 fga, 12.6 fta
1963: N/A
1964: 34.7 ppg on 26.8 fga, 11.6 fta
1965: 29.3 ppg on 21.1 fga, 12.4 fta
1966: 28.0 ppg on 22.0 fga, 13.6 fta

[Marchesk]

No one can argue Bolt isn't the fastest sprinter ever to compete in the Olympics. If the races hadn't been timed however, you would have people claiming some dude from the 60's would run by Bolt like he was standing still. Athletes evolve, skills evolve, knowledge of the sport evolves, just let it go.

Bolt also gets to run on faster surfaces with better shoes and most likely, great PEDs. Take those advantages away and then have him race a prime Jesse Owens and then see who would win.

But Bolt is a freak in his own right like Wilt was, so maybe he's an exception to the rule. His performances are ahead of the expected curve for breaking world records. He might be doing that in any era (though not as fast with slower tracks and no PEDs).

[Marchesk]

Wilt's the most overrated player ever.

Wilt's name will be remembered 50 years from now. He set records nobody else has, and he led the league in more ways than anyone ever. Call him overrated you like, but he'll still get top 5 consideration decades from now.

[oarabbus]

Playoffs

1960: 33.2 ppg on 28.0 fga, 12.2 fta
1961: 37.0 ppg on 32.0 fga, 12.7 fta
1962: 35.0 ppg on 28.9 fga, 12.6 fta
1963: N/A
1964: 34.7 ppg on 26.8 fga, 11.6 fta
1965: 29.3 ppg on 21.1 fga, 12.4 fta
1966: 28.0 ppg on 22.0 fga, 13.6 fta


:biggums: some of those are awful

[Marchesk]

24/24/8, 68%, 68 wins, beat Boston in 5, championship.

Serious consideration for GOAT season.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Playoffs

1960: 33.2 ppg on 28.0 fga, 12.2 fta
1961: 37.0 ppg on 32.0 fga, 12.7 fta
1962: 35.0 ppg on 28.9 fga, 12.6 fta
1963: N/A
1964: 34.7 ppg on 26.8 fga, 11.6 fta
1965: 29.3 ppg on 21.1 fga, 12.4 fta
1966: 28.0 ppg on 22.0 fga, 13.6 fta
Shaq's playoff prime

1998: 30.5 ppg on 19.8 fga, 12.2 fta
1999: 26.6 ppg on 19.4 fga, 14.8 fta
2000: 30.7 ppg on 22.0 fga, 12.9 fta
2001: 30.4 ppg on 21.5 fga, 12.5 fta
2002: 28.5 ppg on 20.2 fga, 10.9 fta
2003: 27.0 ppg on 18.8 fga, 11.0 fta

Resulted in 3 rings too...

[Marchesk]

Wilt leading the league in:

scoring: 7 times
rebounding: 11 times
FG%: 10 times
Assists: 1 time (only center to ever do this)
Blocked shots: him or Russell every season