The Pacers were never that great [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

MMM

04-29-2014, 12:13 AM

outbreak

04-29-2014, 12:59 AM

they match up well against some teams but aren't great against others.

scott0326

04-29-2014, 01:06 AM

They need to unleash Donald Sloan

Pointguard

04-29-2014, 01:09 AM

they match up well against some teams but aren't great against others.

Yeah, they were designed to beat the Heat, several other teams are going to beat them.

Connor B

04-29-2014, 01:13 AM

Done_And_Done

04-29-2014, 01:15 AM

After taking Miami to seven games last year it was expected that they'd be prepped to give them another go this season. Factor in the expected growth of guys like PG, Lance, & Hibbert in conjunction with what is perceived to be a deeper bench (and in all actuality is) there should be no reason why anyone would have expected them not to.

I've never personally viewed Indy as a "great" team but they appeared to be pretty damn good.

I'm still trying to decipher, where it is they went wrong. This has been a pretty unprecedented breakdown ...

oarabbus

04-29-2014, 01:46 AM

WTF, now all of you are saying they aren't good?

They sure as hell fooled me. People thought they could get close to the 72-10 mark. I thought they were a strong contender for best team in the East.

JohnFreeman

04-29-2014, 01:48 AM

They are good, and they are choking. Stop making excuses.

buddha

04-29-2014, 01:51 AM

PG probably fukked Hibberts mom.

BasedTom

04-29-2014, 01:57 AM

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/reggie-miller-choke.jpg

SCdac

04-29-2014, 02:14 AM

Wouldn't say "they were never that great", but rather, "they weren't as great as their regular season and best moments suggested". Always happens to some team or player, every season. Often it's not even about individual basketball-ability as much as it's about (lack of) collective experience, urgency, fortitude, decision making, and more. some times an individual player collapsing is the catalyst, for sure. Team strength fluctuates in the RS but it's how they play now that matters (same for every team). Assuming fully healthy teams show their true colors in the playoffs. Clearly the Pacers hit road blocks in the second half of the season, but perhaps it's just a part of who they currently are (growing pains). Only 1 team wins it all, the rest are imperfect for whatever reason

Real14

04-29-2014, 02:21 AM

http://i.imgur.com/YKjcagM.gif

Real14

04-29-2014, 02:21 AM

PG probably fukked Hibberts mom.
or Hibberts dad:roll:

Mr. Jabbar

04-29-2014, 02:22 AM

somebody had to take the spots of Orlando

the bucks? :roll:

Legends66NBA7

04-29-2014, 02:25 AM

They weren't better than healthy Derrick Rose's Chicago Bulls or Big 3-4 Boston Celtics. I would take the post Rudy Gay Raptors over them too.

FLDFSU

04-29-2014, 02:44 AM

Yeah, they were designed to beat the Heat, several other teams are going to beat them.

Which is stupid. You don't design teams to beat a particular team.

So let's say they beat Miami. Then what? Get blown out by the Spurs in the Finals?

Pointguard

04-29-2014, 03:14 AM

Which is stupid. You don't design teams to beat a particular team.

So let's say they beat Miami. Then what? Get blown out by the Spurs in the Finals?
Exactly. What's funny is that its so precise that they can't play big man ball with Atlanta but can with Miami. Its like a specialist team operation.

MMM

04-29-2014, 04:44 AM

WTF is this trying to save face for the Pacers? They were on pace for 67 wins and the way they were playing in December made them look like they could legit beat the Heat and be formidable in the finals. They were that good./

WTF, now all of you are saying they aren't good?

They sure as hell fooled me. People thought they could get close to the 72-10 mark. I thought they were a strong contender for best team in the East.

I never really felt they were on that level. Even early in the year i thought they were destined for an early exit. I know that wasn't a popular opinion but outside of incremental internal development I didn't see them address their weaknesses from the past few offseasons.

As for their internal development I thought a lot of it had to do with gained confidence of a few playoff rounds under their belt but they never felt like a serious challenger in the same way some of the teams I've mentioned before were.

On top of that it should have been evident that their internal talent has dropped off as of late with some internal cohesion question marks propping up.

ShackEelOKneel

04-29-2014, 04:46 AM

somebody had to take the spots of Orlando, Boston, and Chicago as those teams rebuilt or went through major injuries.

What elevated them was manufactured at Laague HQ:
versatility
and is there anything more manufactured in this league than PG's super stardom

If PG/Hibbert are stars in the league than those past teams consisted of galaxies.

If you have a record better than the Heat after a 2 month meltdown, you had to be pretty good.

Le Shaqtus

04-29-2014, 04:46 AM

Yeah, they were designed to beat the Heat, several other teams are going to beat them.

They were designed to beat the Heat but they can't even do that, Miami beat them pretty soundly in their last two matchups.

If by any divine miracle the Pacers meet the Heat in the ECF, Miami will steam roll them.

MMM

04-29-2014, 04:46 AM

the bucks? :roll:

:lol

set that one up on the tee for someone to follow through but lets give the Magic some credit. They beat a LeBron led team and played Kobe to a tighter series than people think every game was competitive. Kobe would sweep PG led teams I feel.

Verticality

04-29-2014, 04:48 AM

They brought Heat to 7.

Verticality

04-29-2014, 04:48 AM

If you have a record better than the Heat after a 2 month meltdown, you had to be pretty good.

And this.

MMM

04-29-2014, 04:51 AM

If you have a record better than the Heat after a 2 month meltdown, you had to be pretty good.

You mention that as if the Heat are as good as past Heat teams. This might be the worst Heat team in the LeBron era. Only reason why I still have some doubt on Miami being knocked out is LeBron tho. West teams are knocking off better title contenders that would be capable of beating the Heat.

Castor Troy

04-29-2014, 04:53 AM

Unfortunately the offense just isnt working. It has been broken for months but they just havent found a way to fix it. Shame as I really hoped they'd push Miami to the limit.

andremiller07

04-29-2014, 04:56 AM

Styles make fights and Atlanta has a style they can't seem to overcome atm. Jeff Teague and Paul Milsap they have no answer for and the Hawks 3 point shooting at times has been out of this world.

People are not giving enough credit to the Hawks, Jeff Teague has probably been the best PG of the first round of the playoffs and Milsap the 2nd best PF after God Mode LMA throw in smart players who can shoot in Mack/Korver/Carroll/Ancic/Scott and that's a nice mix without any superstar power.

Sarcastic

04-29-2014, 05:34 AM

They were overrated because the refs rigged the ECSF last year for them vs the Knicks, and were hyped up because of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF46sx4drmM

What the refs did last year was an atrocity and makes this year look tame. 46 to 18 free throws in that game 6, and the Pacers were +69 for the 6 game series.

TheGreatDeraj

04-29-2014, 06:14 AM

MMM

04-29-2014, 06:22 AM

You made this thread too early, because greatness still has a chance. The Pacers are a good team, but currently Vogel is losing the team to internal conflicts within the Pacers as well as off the court issues coming from the outside.

What if they rally together to beat the Hawks in ATL for game 6? Then suddenly they have momentum and they have a good chance to win at home in 7 games.

I don't really believe in momentum shifts at least not over the superior team winning the game. Alt will win the series in 6 or 7 because they've flat out been the better team.

TheGreatDeraj

04-29-2014, 06:40 AM

I don't really believe in momentum shifts at least not over the superior team winning the game. Alt will win the series in 6 or 7 because they've flat out been the better team.

Fair enough. I think you are underestimating the talent of the Pacers. They are good, but not a cohesive unit right now. They have one more shot tomorrow night to figure it out. I still think they beat ATL in 7. Maybe it's just wishful thinking.

*Beat the Heat*

MMM

04-29-2014, 06:42 AM

Fair enough. I think you are underestimating the talent of the Pacers. They are good, but not a cohesive unit right now. They have one more shot tomorrow night to figure it out. I still think they beat ATL in 7. Maybe it's just wishful thinking.

*Beat the Heat*

if people want someone in the East to beat the Heat i think they are backing the wrong team. I think Washington, Toronto/Brooklyn and even Chicago are more capable.

kurple

04-29-2014, 06:50 AM

They are good, and they are choking. Stop making excuses.
how is it choking when they sucked ass a month before the playoffs

TheGreatDeraj

04-29-2014, 06:54 AM

if people want someone in the East to beat the Heat i think they are backing the wrong team. I think Washington, Toronto/Brooklyn and even Chicago are more capable.

Interesting. I don't think Toronto gets past Brooklyn and if they do I think they get swept by Miami. Washington would win maybe 1 game, Brooklyn has the best chance in the East besides Pacers to take down Miami.

I think Net/Heat will go 6/7.

What do you see in Toronto and Washington that make them capable of taking down Miami?

ShackEelOKneel

04-29-2014, 07:19 AM

You mention that as if the Heat are as good as past Heat teams. This might be the worst Heat team in the LeBron era. Only reason why I still have some doubt on Miami being knocked out is LeBron tho. West teams are knocking off better title contenders that would be capable of beating the Heat.

Yeah, but let's not pretend they are a bad team by any means either. My point is that to have a 2 month implosion and still have a top record in the league, that shows you were pretty good before.

MMM

04-29-2014, 07:22 AM

Interesting. I don't think Toronto gets past Brooklyn and if they do I think they get swept by Miami. Washington would win maybe 1 game, Brooklyn has the best chance in the East besides Pacers to take down Miami.

I think Net/Heat will go 6/7.

What do you see in Toronto and Washington that make them capable of taking down Miami?

Seems like Brooklyn and Chicago have played their best ball vs. Miami this year. Which is why I'm even mentioning them to be honest, however, I'm not as comfortable with them than I am with Washington and Toronto vs. Miami.

I could see either of them taking at least two games vs. the Heat. Toronto seems really banged up and hobbled at the moment so the Bullets might be the best bet in the East vs. the Heat.

I think Washington has some areas to exploit in the front-court and backcourt but How much can Ariza slow down James.????

xoracle55

04-29-2014, 07:54 AM

"Man I was hoping the Pacers would win so we can whoop them in the playoffs for the third straight year"

-LeBron James

ShackEelOKneel

04-29-2014, 07:57 AM

"Man I was hoping the Pacers would win so we can whoop them in the playoffs for the third straight year"

-LeBron James

Real or made up quote?

xoracle55

04-29-2014, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by xoracle55

"Man I was hoping the Pacers would win so we can whoop them in the playoffs for the third straight year"

-LeBron James

Real or made up quote? :D

He did say it to D Wade and Bosh....

ArbitraryWater

04-29-2014, 08:38 AM

They definitely were a great team last year when people predicted them to beat the Heat... and they started the year off this season like 22-2 or some shit... they just, fell.... hard

Goldrush25

04-29-2014, 09:23 AM

somebody had to take the spots of Orlando, Boston, and Chicago as those teams rebuilt or went through major injuries.

What elevated them was manufactured at Laague HQ:
versatility
and is there anything more manufactured in this league than PG's super stardom

If PG/Hibbert are stars in the league than those past teams consisted of galaxies.

They sure fooled a ton of people then. Everyone annointed them the Heat slayers.

The thing is, a team designed to beat the Heat sucks against other good teams.