Sterling banned for life from anything related to the NBA, fined 2.5 million

[Jameerthefear]

Also will be urged to sell the team.

[oarabbus]

:eek:

[HomieWeMajor]

inb4 dupe account

[WallIn]

Well that settles it then...

[Le Shaqtus]

DAYYYYYUUMMM :eek:

[IncarceratedBob]

Thats it? Pathetic from Silver

[BrainDead]

Adam Silver is a clear racist. This is ridiculous

[PejaNowitzki]

I knew he was going to be banned from all NBA activities and banned from games but I expected him more to remain as a silent partner of sorts and not actually be forced to sell the team. Silver isn't ****ing around, he flat out dropped the hammer on Sterling...long overdo I might say.

[InfiniteBaskets]

So... what happens if Sterling tries to attend a home Clippers game? Do paratroopers drop down from the sky and escort him to gitmo via helicopter?

[Le Shaqtus]

Adam Silver don't play that shit homie.

Stone cold nikka

[Dro]

:rockon:

[kamil]

Good.

Prick should have been gone a long time ago.

[LoneyROY7]

:applause:

Silver laying down the hammer...it's what needed to be done.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Banned for what? What did he do?

[Jameerthefear]

Thought it was too harsh tbh

[Wally450]

So he's not the owner anymore? Who gets it?

[navy]

So he's not the owner anymore? Who gets it?
He is an owner.

[Done_And_Done]

Banned for what? What did he do?

He was born...

[Le Shaqtus]

Personal source.

I just bought the Clippers for two nickels and a bag of potato chips

[IncarceratedBob]

Should have taken over ownership of the team and left Sterling with nothing, also fined him 40 million. Also why haven't the police looked into arresting this man? Smh

[Jameerthefear]

Wait can they even ban him from his own team? Is there a lawsuit incoming?

[Wally450]

He is an owner.

So the players are still making him money...

[215Philly]

Banned for what? What did he do?
Mad? :roll:

[ihoopallday]

Should have taken over ownership of the team and left Sterling with nothing, also fined him 40 million. Also why haven't the police looked into arresting this man? Smh

$2.5 million was the most they could fine him according to the leagues constitution. :lol And what do you want the police to do? He's been used countless of times. That's pretty much all rich people go through. Pay a settlement and move on.

[bigkingsfan]

Sterling is taking this team to his grave, deal with it.

[GimmeThat]

The NBA is grown enough now, where it is profitable for others to partake, allowing owners who may have less business sense, but greater basketball passion.

[LoneyROY7]

Sterling is taking this team to his grave, deal with it.

Nah, bro.

[bagelred]

Banned for life based on just words in a private telephone conversation that was illegally recorded.

um...what?

So what's next? Another owner says something slightly less controversial in private illegally recorded and he'll be forced to sell too? How about just something disappointing but not as controsversial? Sell just half the team?

[Bl]

Banned for what? What did he do?
talk dirty to a mullato while getting sucked off

[D-FENS]

Sterling banned for life from anything related to the NBA...

http://i.imgur.com/R1DzfSY.png
Even from wearing hats?

[Adam Silver]

You are all welcome.

[Levity]

Banned for life? Clippers Darrell is cool with that

http://espn.go.com/photo/2012/0319/nba_i_clipper_darrell_576.jpg

[senelcoolidge]

This is the greatest news for all Clippers fans. They have wanted Sterling out of there for years. It's a new Clippers era, which started with Blake, CP3, than Doc, and now a new owner finally. Feel bad for the lakers..:oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Mad? :roll:

This punishment is an absolute joke.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Sad day for the NBA

[D-FENS]

Banned for life based on just words in a private telephone conversation that was illegally recorded.

um...what?

So what's next? Another owner says something slightly less controversial in private illegally recorded and he'll be forced to sell too? How about just something disappointing but not as controsversial? Sell just half the team?

http://www.capuchinmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/walt-disney-nazi.jpg

[kamil]

Adam Silver just gained a LOT of respect from me. I'm liking this guy today.

[AnaheimLakers24]

stern was protecting his puppets.
watch silver regulate all these clowns and fix the nba

[BarberSchool]

Justice has not been truly served, until the ability to profit off the hard work and passion of Clippers' players and coaches and fans, is removed from the greedy, avaristic clutches of Donald Tokowitz.

[LoneyROY7]

"I fully expect to receive the support I need to remove him."

:rockon:

[Dro]

Banned for life based on just words in a private telephone conversation that was illegally recorded.

um...what?

So what's next? Another owner says something slightly less controversial in private illegally recorded and he'll be forced to sell too? How about just something disappointing but not as controsversial? Sell just half the team?
Maybe if he didn't have a history of using his power and money to discriminate against minorities...:confusedshrug:

[20Four]

This punishment is an absolute joke.
Like your player Lebron :roll: :roll:

[ace23]

Not warranted. He did this shit in the privacy of his own and wasn't breaking any rules. 2.5 million and a lifetime ban? Damn.

NBA is a private organization though, so they can do whatever they want I guess.

[AT9]

Lifetime ban for telling his girlfriend he doesn't want her to associate publicly with black people? A bit harsh I would say.

He's an old, gross, racist biggot, but private opinions (as opposed to actions) are now fair game for NBA owners and officials. Have to think the other owners may not be so keen on this precedent.

Wonder what kind of lawsuits will arise...

[Levity]

Justice has not been truly served, until the ability to profit off the hard work and passion of Clippers' players and coaches and fans, is removed from the greedy, avaristic clutches of Donald Tokowitz.

dont see that happening. they could have him sell the team, which will generate a profit because of their current status as one of the more popular teams in the league. but beyond that, i dont see what they could do to punish him financially without the nba being served a lawsuit.

[missionman]

i think the response is appropriate.

Silver handled all the questions exactly as he should have. Not only is he responding on the matter of civil rights/racism/etc., his response (max fine, ban and push for sale of the Clippers) is also suitable to protect the business of the NBA. He's done the max that he can do - and he can't force the sale himself, but apparently Sterling's peers CAN force the sale through their own league constitution that presumably Sterling helped ratify at some point in the past.

just my opinion.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lmfaoo Im still laughing over Bob's comment :roll:

Lifetime ban, +2.5 million......

= thats it? pathetic from silver

[PejaNowitzki]

I do think that Sterling will not go away quietly. At his age, as stubborn as he is, I expect him to go scorched earth and tie this up in court with a long-winding legal battle while airing out a lot of other people's dirty laundry. Guys like Sterling won't roll over, he's going to wreak havoc over this.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Maybe if he didn't have a history of using his power and money to discriminate against minorities...:confusedshrug:

Who cares? You don't become a billionaire by not being a cutthroat person. The fact is Sterling didn't go to games wearing KKK masks, screaming the N word. He was recorded (probably illegally) in a conversation that he never intended to go public.

[Clyde]

Should have taken over ownership of the team and left Sterling with nothing, also fined him 40 million. Also why haven't the police looked into arresting this man? Smh

2.5 is the maximum fined allowed.

[ArbitraryWater]

Thats it? Pathetic from Silver

i just turned you green mah nigguh :rockon:

[ZMonkey11]

This punishment is an absolute joke.

It's been 3 days. You can't just jump to a solution right away. Banning someone from their own property seems like a pretty stiff penalty.

Any decision will have HUGE ramifications in the future for the league and ownership alike.

This isn't over yet, but at the same time, I think the first steps taken have been more than sufficient.

[PejaNowitzki]

Who cares? You don't become a billionaire by not being a cutthroat person. The fact is Sterling didn't go to games wearing KKK masks, screaming the N word. He was recorded (probably illegally) in a conversation that he never intended to go public.



If he's really spiteful he will go after this chick that outed him and bury her in court. Her illegal recording led to devastating financial consequences for him which is quite actionable. She may be counting her duckets right now but attorney fee's defending a suit from him would leave her pockets empty cuz.

[Draz]

Eh. Where is that money going too? I mean it's a personal conversation.. Idk how to look For this but I guess it's justice.

[PejaNowitzki]

It's been 3 days. You can't just jump to a solution right away. Banning someone from their own property seems like a pretty stiff penalty.

Any decision will have HUGE ramifications in the future for the league and ownership alike.

This isn't over yet, but at the same time, I think the first steps taken have been more than sufficient.


I don't see a problem with it. The NBA's response was quick and appropriate, if perhaps poorly considered. They could have banned Sterling from NBA activities and forced him to essentially be a silent partner of sorts but this forcing him to sell the team issue will be fought out in court for a very long time. This story isn't close to going away.

[dazzer87]

I feel bad for Sterling. Has to sell the team and pocket over 500+ million when he sell the team. And that 2.5 million fine is like 10 bucks fine for us.

[Ramiah]

People keep saying '''private conversation'' when sterling was aware he was being recorded...

There is nothing illegal about that..He even admitted himself.

[Draz]

If he's really spiteful he will go after this chick that outed him and bury her in court. Her illegal recording led to devastating financial consequences for him which is quite actionable. She may be counting her duckets right now but attorney fee's defending a suit from him would leave her pockets empty cuz.
Exactly. He's going hunting for her for a fact. What she did wasn't right either. She will get support both financially and psychologically from people however.

[missionman]

Lifetime ban for telling his girlfriend he doesn't want her to associate publicly with black people? A bit harsh I would say.

He's an old, gross, racist biggot, but private opinions (as opposed to actions) are now fair game for NBA owners and officials. Have to think the other owners may not be so keen on this precedent.

Wonder what kind of lawsuits will arise...

i agree to some extent. Its almost crazy that you can't have these opinions and express them to someone in private and yet somehow be penalized for it.

But, his opinions are now known given Sterling's own admission that it was his voice in the recording. It seems impossible for a league/place of employment to continue to have a high ranking manager/owner to continue to operate when the employees are predominantly african americans.

Probably lots of lawsuits to follow...

[Derka]

Eh. Where is that money going too? I mean it's a personal conversation.. Idk how to look For this but I guess it's justice.
He said in the press conference that the NBA and the Player's Association will donate the fine to some anti-racism organizations yet to be determined.

[DMV2]

I think Silver lied about Sterling's past not having a factor in this decision.

It had to be a factor for this mega-ownage.

[Fox]

Good decision. But what I'm pondering why Kobe hasn't gotten a lifetime ban for hating on gays? And why is Broussard still allowed on ESPN after his hatred for gays?

[BoutPractice]

Good riddance. No matter what people think of the decision (I personally think it was the correct one), I'm pretty sure no one will miss him.

[215Philly]

This punishment is an absolute joke.
That joke got you feeling salty

[no pun intended]

Sterling Silver

[SilkkTheShocker]

Sterling is being banned for like because he grew up in the 1930/40s. BREAKING NEWS: 80 ONE YEAR OLD MAN IS A BIGOT. This punishment is absolutely comical. You fine him and move on. The bigger story is that women recording that conversation. She is the real enemy here. She made the NBA itself look just as bad. It's alright, Donald is going to take that bitch to court

[Crimsonrain777]

Should have taken over ownership of the team and left Sterling with nothing, also fined him 40 million. Also why haven't the police looked into arresting this man? Smh

:cry:

[Laker4Lyfe]

If he's really spiteful he will go after this chick that outed him and bury her in court. Her illegal recording led to devastating financial consequences for him which is quite actionable. She may be counting her duckets right now but attorney fee's defending a suit from him would leave her pockets empty cuz.

He knew he was being recorded. :lol

[aboss4real24]

Good decision. But what I'm pondering why Kobe hasn't gotten a lifetime ban for hating on gays? And why is Broussard still allowed on ESPN after his hatred for gays?

Says in the bible u shouldnt b gay

[ZMonkey11]

Sterling is being banned for like because he grew up in the 1930/40s. BREAKING NEWS: 80 ONE YEAR OLD MAN IS A BIGOT. This punishment is absolutely comical. You fine him and move on. The bigger story is that women recording that conversation. She is the real enemy here. She made the NBA itself look just as bad. It's alright, Donald is going to take that bitch to court

Wait, so you are saying the punishment is TOO harsh?!?

[oh the horror]

I think Silver lied about Sterling's past not having a factor in this decision.


It had to be a factor for this mega-ownage.



It absolutely did.

[20Four]

Wait, so you are saying the punishment is TOO harsh?!?
Silks known to be a b|tch...dont worry about him, he likes attention :roll: :roll:

[Derka]

Good decision. But what I'm pondering why Kobe hasn't gotten a lifetime ban for hating on gays? And why is Broussard still allowed on ESPN after his hatred for gays?

You'd have to ask ESPN about Broussard. ESPN isn't the NBA though.

[IamRAMBO24]

Banned for life? Doesn't the guy only have a couple of years to live?

[heavensdevil]

Who cares? You don't become a billionaire by not being a cutthroat person. The fact is Sterling didn't go to games wearing KKK masks, screaming the N word. He was recorded (probably illegally) in a conversation that he never intended to go public.

:no:

he actually did go to games screaming the N word... he would even call his own players that from courtside, ask Baron Davis. Anybody defending Sterlings actions or feels that this penalty is too harsh is a FUKIN RACIST, and theres no room on Insidehoops for these types of posters...

[PejaNowitzki]

He knew he was being recorded. :lol



Recording was for her personal use, if he can show that she released deliberately with malicious intent, she's going to be back to working the cash register at Wal-Mart in short order.


I can record you with your knowledge, but if I use it with malicious intent, you have an actionable case in court against me.


In the end, the only thing I can be sure of, as always......the lawyers will win in this. There's going to be a lot of legal battles as a result and in the end...the lawyers win.

[Bl]

Says in the bible u shouldnt b gay

same one that says blacks should be slaves and women can be raped and owned ? :lol

[dude77]

So the players are still making him money...

so sterling is getting the last laugh anyways :oldlol: ... and by the way .. the players playing are also still making their 'racist' owner money

[dude77]

Banned for life? Doesn't the guy only have a couple of years to live?

lol'ed :oldlol:

[aboss4real24]

[QUOTE=Bl

[coin24]

Mega overkill..
This overly sensitive racism PC bullshit needs to stop. It's not the slave days anymore, Doc and the players making out they're so hard done by. Poor them on tens of millions of dollar contracts must be such a struggle:facepalm

What a surprise an 80yo white man doesn't like blacks and Hispanics , news flash most people that age are racist as fu*k, that's the way they were brought up.

Solid freedom of speech, private conversation and the man gets crucified:applause:

[KyleKong]

Wow.

Silver don't play no shit.

:applause:

[Laker4Lyfe]

Recording was for her personal use, if he can show that she released deliberately with malicious intent, she's going to be back to working the cash register at Wal-Mart in short order.


I can record you with your knowledge, but if I use it with malicious intent, you have an actionable case in court against me.


In the end, the only thing I can be sure of, as always......the lawyers will win in this. There's going to be a lot of legal battles as a result and in the end...the lawyers win.

She didn't release the tapes either her lawyer did. :lol

[PejaNowitzki]

She didn't release the tapes either her lawyer did. :lol


Her lawyer works for who exactly??? She's already being sued by Sterling for embezzlement, this just stacks more logs on top of the fire.



Sterling is a piece of shit but so this chick, just pure gold-digging trash, I hope they both end up broke and homeless.

[Laker4Lyfe]

Mega overkill..
This overly sensitive racism PC bullshit needs to stop. It's not the slave days anymore, Doc and the players making out they're so hard done by. Poor them on tens of millions of dollar contracts must be such a struggle:facepalm

What a surprise an 80yo white man doesn't like blacks and Hispanics , news flash most people that age are racist as fu*k, that's the way they were brought up.

Solid freedom of speech, private conversation and the man gets crucified:applause:


I know they should be grateful he gives them food and clothes. :oldlol:

[Crimsonrain777]

Mega overkill..
This overly sensitive racism PC bullshit needs to stop. It's not the slave days anymore, Doc and the players making out they're so hard done by. Poor them on tens of millions of dollar contracts must be such a struggle:facepalm

What a surprise an 80yo white man doesn't like blacks and Hispanics , news flash most people that age are racist as fu*k, that's the way they were brought up.

Solid freedom of speech, private conversation and the man gets crucified:applause:

no one stopped him from saying what he said.:confusedshrug: how does this go against freedom of speech? maybe you should learn the meaning of the saying before you go on an ignorant rant

[dude77]

Adam Silver just gained a LOT of respect from me. I'm liking this guy today.

clueless idiot :oldlol:

[aboss4real24]

clueless idiot :oldlol:

ur a angry middle aged fat redneck :lol

stay mad

[KOLBCTEW]

Solid freedom of speech, private conversation and the man gets crucified:applause:Freedom of speech only protects you from the government, not public shaming or the ramifications that comes from it.

[CavaliersFTW]

Banned for what? What did he do?
lol

[DMV2]

Anybody else see this as anything other than a business decision?

If I was a owner, I wouldn't want an openly racist old geezer representing my league. Just look at how many sponsors dropped out of the Clippers.

[Laker4Lyfe]

Her lawyer works for who exactly??? She's already being sued by Sterling for embezzlement, this just stacks more logs on top of the fire.



Sterling is a piece of shit but so this chick, just pure gold-digging trash, I hope they both end up broke and homeless.

She's not being sued by Sterling she's being sued by his wife for community property. She sued another one of his mistresses for the same thing in 2003. That embezzlement crap was an excuse just like the Clippers President said they didn't know if that was Sterling on the tape or if it was altered.

[dude77]

clippers statement : "we wholeheartedly agree with this decision .. now the healing process can begin"


are you fkn kidding me ? :oldlol:

[Im so nba'd out]

:party::djparty :dancin :hammertime: :party:
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hang dat cracka

[r0drig0lac]

law

[iamgine]

As mentioned, this is to protect the business of the NBA.

That's all there is to it.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I hope Sterling sells the team to the biggest degenerate, asshole owner that he can find.

[Simple Jack]

Sterling is going to have a few legal cause of actions. He can definitely bring up an anti-trust claim in regards to being forced to sell.

It'll be interesting to see how that plays out. Anti-trust claims can really shape the foundation of a sports league.

[dude77]

As mentioned, this is to protect the business of the NBA.

That's all there is to it.

qft

[Rocketswin2013]

As mentioned, this is to protect the business of the NBA.

That's all there is to it.
Exactly. Dunno why people are so shocked. Dude was singlehandedly ruining the face of NBA owners and the NBA as a whole with this.


Heckling players for literally decades and now this. It was a build up.

He will obviously never learn so Silver just did away with him. Or should I say Silver and NBA owners.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well what does it mean by 'from anything related to NBA'? Does this category include 'being an owner of an NBA team'?

[AceManIII]

Dude will prolly die within a year

Joe Paterno-like

[Crimsonrain777]

As mentioned, this is to protect the business of the NBA.

That's all there is to it.


someone gets it:applause:

[Bernkastel]

clippers statement : "we wholeheartedly agree with this decision .. now the healing process can begin"

are you fkn kidding me ? :oldlol:

A few years in the playoffs don't make up for the rest of that incompetency. :no:

[coin24]

New owner can move that loser team also. LA is laker town.:rockon:

[Fudge]

clippers statement : "we wholeheartedly agree with this decision .. now the healing process can begin"


are you fkn kidding me ? :oldlol:
What's wrong with what they said?

[zoom17]

Dude will prolly die within a year

Joe Paterno-like

wouldn't be surprised.

[Im so nba'd out]

Dude will prolly die within a year

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/210/119/9b3.png

[missionman]

Anybody else see this as anything other than a business decision?

If I was a owner, I wouldn't want an openly racist old geezer representing my league. Just look at how many sponsors dropped out of the Clippers.

don't know if its only a business decision. But its definitely a good decision from a business standpoint.

[dude77]

Exactly. Dunno why people are so shocked. Dude was singlehandedly ruining the face of NBA owners and the NBA as a whole with this.


Heckling players for literally decades and now this. It was a build up.

He will obviously never learn so Silver just did away with him. Or should I say Silver and NBA owners.

lol no .. this had NOTHING to do with his past .. this guy was a clippers game on thursday .. lol nba didn't give a fk that sterling was a racist .. he's out because a private conversation got leaked

[aboss4real24]

WHITE PPL R ALWAYS GNNA B Salty lmao

u had us in slavery for hundreds of years

Then as soon as u freed us We take over sports and the entertainment business and music


And to top it off theres a black president

[kamil]

Says in the bible u shouldnt b gay

The bible also says that talking snakes exist.

Make of that what you will.

[chairman]

If he was black this would not have happened:facepalm

[PejaNowitzki]

clippers statement : "we wholeheartedly agree with this decision .. now the healing process can begin"


are you fkn kidding me ? :oldlol:



LOL, Sterling gonna fire errrrybody on his way out. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[dude77]

What's wrong with what they said?

melodramatic shit ..


healing process ? :facepalm

[Im so nba'd out]

If he was black this would not have happened:facepalm
o well get over it

[TimmyDuncan]

Can he still get NBA League Pass?

(saw this joke in the espn comments)

[DeuceWallaces]

lol no .. this had NOTHING to do with his past .. this guy was a clippers game on thursday .. lol nba didn't give a fk that sterling was a racist .. he's out because a private conversation got leaked

You're a ****tard if you think this has nothing to do with his past. They're gonna roll it all out at the owner hearings to get the 75%. The tapes, the housing lawsuits, Baylor will testify, past coaches...

[red1]

dude77 :roll:

[Rocketswin2013]

lol no .. this had NOTHING to do with his past .. this guy was a clippers game on thursday .. lol nba didn't give a fk that sterling was a racist .. he's out because a private conversation got leaked
Point is, his PAST CAME UP and made the NBA look bad when this happened.


It happens all the time. Man accused of murder, well the news will slip in the fact that he beat up a drunk guy at a bar and was charged for it.


Getting publicity for the wrong thing is something ANYBODY could lose their job over.

On top of that, the president of the US was commenting on it. THAT makes the NBA look like it's run by 80 year old racist douchebags. Something Silver wanted nothing to do with.

[Cousin Oliver]

Freedom of speech only protects you from the government, not public shaming or the ramifications that comes from it.


Exactly, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

[PejaNowitzki]

What's wrong with what they said?



Sterling is still the owner and still signs all the checks. Its not like he's being banished to Siberia, he's going to continue to be the owner for awhile. The NBA seems to be trying to get past this on hyper speed and it won't happen that easily.

[aboss4real24]

If he was black this would not have happened:facepalm


a black guy wouldnt say wat he sed :facepalm

[DeuceWallaces]

I hope Sterling sells the team to the biggest degenerate, asshole owner that he can find.

He has no say in who the NBA will sell the team to.

[bagelred]

Maybe if he didn't have a history of using his power and money to discriminate against minorities...:confusedshrug:

That's not what Adam Silver said. He said it was based on those comments ONLY. He said that specifically.

[red1]

You're a ****tard if you think this has nothing to do with his past. They're gonna roll it all out at the owner hearings to get the 75%. The tapes, the housing lawsuits, Baylor will testify, past coaches...
the guy is an idiot

[Himan12]

So they do have the power to force him to sell. Good job NBA.

[oarabbus]

He has no say in who the NBA will sell the team to.


Try reading what he wrote again.

[KyleKong]

People need to understand that this is entirely a Public Relations move from Silver. Doesn't matter is it was a private recording or it was posted on billboards throughout L.A.

This story line became instant national news, people were outraged, and Silver did the right thing to appease the masses.

It's also a bonus because Sterling is a racist old ****.

[Im so nba'd out]

sterling the racist getting fired is whats best for business http://i.imgur.com/vNPwMKA.png

[PejaNowitzki]

He has no say in who the NBA will sell the team to.



Sure he does. The team is still very much his. All the NBA owners can do is enact a contractual stipulation that would require him to sell the team within a certain period of time. He would have to find a buyer who would then have to be approved by the rest of the NBA owners but it doesn't necessarily have to be the preferred candidate of the NBA Commissioner or anyone like that.


Before any of that happens, the NBA owners have to vote to force him to sell and if they do, with that particular stipulation not having been tested before, I expect Sterling to tie this up in court for at least a year or two.

[gts]

That's not what Adam Silver said. He said it was based on those comments ONLY. He said that specifically.He said the lifetime ban and fine was based on the tapes BUT he also said Sterlings entire history will be reviewed by the BOG when they meet to start his removal from the league

[Dresta]

People keep saying '''private conversation'' when sterling was aware he was being recorded...

There is nothing illegal about that..He even admitted himself.
Recorded because he was senile and incapable of remembering the things he says. That's even worse tbh, and it was still a private conversation.

This was a good PR move from Silver: he basically gave the strongest penalty he possibly could because he's never going to get an flak for being too harsh, but can't afford to look to soft with it being 'his first crisis' and all.

Pretty funny though, maybe they can ban him from watching games on tv too? :lol

[dude77]

You're a ****tard if you think this has nothing to do with his past. They're gonna roll it all out at the owner hearings to get the 75%. The tapes, the housing lawsuits, Baylor will testify, past coaches...

:facepalm .. this guy's been running his clipper team for years without any reprimand .. there's countless examples of his 'racism' in the past .. he's a well known racist .. stern knew about it .. they all knew .. nothing was ever done .. disingenuous fggts .. the old fart was at a clippers game just this thursday .. the ONLY reason this occurred just now is because of this leaked conversation

[outbreak]

Yet rapists still play in this league

[PejaNowitzki]

People need to understand that this is entirely a Public Relations move from Silver. Doesn't matter is it was a private recording or it was posted on billboards throughout L.A.

This story line became instant national news, people were outraged, and Silver did the right thing to appease the masses.

It's also a bonus because Sterling is a racist old ****.



NBA didn't have a choice, Sterling was finally ****ing with their business and I'm sure the rest of the owners saw the harm it could cause them financially so it was no great difficulty to throw a piece of s%6t like Sterling under the bus.

[bdreason]

I don't really care that Sterling got banned; he's obviously a racist sleezeball... but this type of extreme punishment for personal opinion/beliefs is a slippery slope for the NBA to travel.



If I was another owner, I wouldn't vote to force Sterling to sell. You don't think any of these other old, white, billionaire owners are racist? Or even if they aren't truly racist, have made racist statements in private with friends or family? How about we find out one of the owners has a Nazi artifact in his home because he likes to collect WW2 art. Can the NBA really be associated with antisemitism?


I can tell you that my 85 year old grandmother is the sweetest lady in the world, but she unknowingly says racist shit occasionally, but guess what? When she grew up black kids went to different schools, and she was taught through her environment that they were different (inferior). She doesn't still hold that belief (hopefully), but she also doesn't tip-toe around the topic like people do these days. I could very easily record a discussion about race with her and make her sound like a racist if I asked the appropriate, leading questions.

[dude77]

Point is, his PAST CAME UP and made the NBA look bad when this happened.


It happens all the time. Man accused of murder, well the news will slip in the fact that he beat up a drunk guy at a bar and was charged for it.


Getting publicity for the wrong thing is something ANYBODY could lose their job over.

On top of that, the president of the US was commenting on it. THAT makes the NBA look like it's run by 80 year old racist douchebags. Something Silver wanted nothing to do with.

not disagreeing with any of that

[DMV2]

That's not what Adam Silver said. He said it was based on those comments ONLY. He said that specifically.
Yeah, I didn't like that comment by him. But I think he didn't have a proper answer for that question, especially when he wasn't the man in charge. If he gave an answer about those past incidents, he could have put Stern under the bus and the entire league. So understandably he only focus on the current issue.

It was a really good question by that lady reporter.

[outbreak]

Sterking had been racist for years why didn't they quietly force him out earlier

[PejaNowitzki]

:facepalm .. this guy's been running his clipper team for years without any reprimand .. there's countless examples of his 'racism' in the past .. he's a well known racist .. stern knew about it .. they all knew .. nothing was ever done .. disingenuous fggts .. the old fart was at a clippers game just this thursday .. the ONLY reason this occurred just now is because of this leaked conversation


This. The fake indignation from the NBA front office, team executives and other owners is hilarious. EVERYONE knew who this guy was and what he represented, he's been talked about as an unrepentant racist for decades literally. Anyone acting surprised is just trying to play it up for their own agenda and media whoring purposes.


He should have been gone a long time ago, he's been the crazy uncle of the NBA for awhile now.

[Laker4Lyfe]

Sure he does. The team is still very much his. All the NBA owners can do is enact a contractual stipulation that would require him to sell the team within a certain period of time. He would have to find a buyer who would then have to be approved by the rest of the NBA owners but it doesn't necessarily have to be the preferred candidate of the NBA Commissioner or anyone like that.


Before any of that happens, the NBA owners have to vote to force him to sell and if they do, with that particular stipulation not having been tested before, I expect Sterling to tie this up in court for at least a year or two.

Nope the NBA will be in charge of the sale. Sterling will not get to choose the buyer.

[mr.big35]

Sterking had been racist for years why didn't they quietly force him out earlier

because it didnt cause huge press coverage and headline news everywhere. NBA is looking out for their PR

[Laker4Lyfe]

Sterking had been racist for years why didn't they quietly force him out earlier

It never affected the NBA before. It was easy for Stern to look the other way because it had nothing to do with the Clippers or the NBA.

[dude77]

stephen a. slamming the naacp :oldlol:

[Jameerthefear]

stephen a. slamming the naacp :oldlol:
on espn?

[outbreak]

It never affected the NBA before. It was easy for Stern to look the other way because it had nothing to do with the Clippers or the NBA.
Yeah it's just lame how the media will now praise the nba yet ignore the fact they put up with him for years and don't enforce other moral sanctions unless the media forces it to happen.

[Darius]

I don't really care that Sterling got banned; he's obviously a racist sleezeball... but this type of extreme punishment for personal opinion/beliefs is a slippery slope for the NBA to travel.



If I was another owner, I wouldn't vote to force Sterling to sell. You don't think any of these other old, white, billionaire owners are racist? Or even if they aren't truly racist, have made racist statements in private with friends or family? How about we find out one of the owners has a Nazi artifact in his home because he likes to collect WW2 art. Can the NBA really be associated with antisemitism?


I can tell you that my 85 year old grandmother is the sweetest lady in the world, but she unknowingly says racist shit occasionally, but guess what? When she grew up black kids went to different schools, and she was taught through her environment that they were different (inferior). She doesn't still hold that belief (hopefully), but she also doesn't tip-toe around the topic like people do these days. I could very easily record a discussion about race with her and make her sound like a racist if I asked the appropriate, leading questions.


This is true... I bet that if all the other NBA owners were secretly recorded there would be plenty of ammo to ban at least 50% of them.

[PejaNowitzki]

Nope the NBA will be in charge of the sale. Sterling will not get to choose the buyer.


According to who exactly? Its not even known if the NBA forcing him to sell the team would hold up in court to begin with. This is largely unprecedented and there's going to be a lot of court battles before this is all over.



Anyone who thinks that Sterling is going to be all like "Okay", is out of their mind. The last thing to go for a super wealthy guy is his ego and I don't see Sterling being very accommodating here.

[HiphopRelated]

Wonderful

[Bigsmoke]

Good

[bagelred]

He said the lifetime ban and fine was based on the tapes BUT he also said Sterlings entire history will be reviewed by the BOG when they meet to start his removal from the league

Right...but a ban for life based on private words said to a girlfriend illegally recorded. No one thinks this is odd?

[DMV2]

Yeah it's just lame how the media will now praise the nba yet ignore the fact they put up with him for years and don't enforce other moral sanctions unless the media forces it to happen.
It's not lame when it's a business and PR decision. Sponsors were removing or putting on hold on the Clippers.

Silver had to protect the league from a business standpoint.

[Im so nba'd out]

Yet rapists still play in this league
we play in the nfl too http://newyorknewyorksports.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/wwjinq_jpg.gif

[gts]

It never affected the NBA before. It was easy for Stern to look the other way because it had nothing to do with the Clippers or the NBA.

And the one time it got near the NBA when Elgin Baylor sued Sterling and racism was inferred during testimony Baylor lost that case.

People need to understand being racist is not a crime per se, it becomes a crime when it impacts others and or the work enviorment and in the Baylor case they were not able to prove Sterlings views has a direct impact on the Clippers.. Sterling's trial concerning the renters showed him to be racist and he paid some hefty damages but that didn't effect the NBA or it's interests so the NBA couldn't act

The recent comments he has made does effect the Clippers and the NBA as a whole, 14 sponsors gone, a TV deal in the balance etc etc etc

[PejaNowitzki]

stephen a. slamming the naacp :oldlol:



For what exactly?




Although had the NAACP given Sterling that Lifetime Achievement Award as planned and THEN these comments had been released, that would have been good for the lulz.


A lot of people knew who this guy was, what he was all about and they were just kissing his ass because he had bankroll.

[ShackEelOKneel]

I posted this my thoughts on the ban and this is what some dumbass responded with:


i personally think its ridiculous. he was having a private conversation he should be able to say whatever he wants. people are too sensitive and its exhausting how everything has to be politically correct. that being said i don't agree with what he said at all. i think the girl that taped him should get introuble as well

The idiot doesn't think Sterling should be in trouble, but thinks the girl should be :facepalm

[DMV2]

Right...but a ban for life based on private words said to a girlfriend illegally recorded. No one thinks this is odd?
Wouldn't those illegal recordings be an issue between the GF, Sterling and Calif. laws?

NBA just made a decision to protect themselves based on now publicly known recordings.

[rhythmic]

Meh, kinda harsh. I feel as having his reputation ruined is enough of a punishment. How the hell do you as a commissioner can ban the guy from the NBA, when he's an owner of a team? I have no problem with a fine but the ban makes no sense to me. I think the backlash he received and will receive by the public is the ultimately punishment and it will be up to him to either sell or not sell the team. I personally don't think he'll last much longer based on how everyone in the NBA family reacted to his comments.

But the problem here is a bit different. It's not what Sterling said but how he said it that really made me feel uneasy. He was genuinely pissed off about his girl publicly being with black people. That's the realest deepest type of racism to me. We all hear people say harsh racist remarks when in an argument or a fight or a disagreement. But when you privately explain your disdain for a race, it's definitely a lot different, at least in my eyes.

[PejaNowitzki]

It's not lame when it's a business and PR decision. Sponsors were removing or putting on hold on the Clippers.

Silver had to protect the league from a business standpoint.



This. Silver was doing his job as required. He has to protect the NBA's interests of the interests of any single other entity. It was clear that Sterling had to be removed from all basketball operations and league business. I thought they would just force him more into a "silent partner" type role, forcing him to sell the team entails a lot more complex legal maneuvering that may or may not work out for the NBA.

[gts]

Right...but a ban for life based on private words said to a girlfriend illegally recorded. No one thinks this is odd?

not private, whole world heard them... Not NBA's problem how they got out, that's between Sterling and his GF.

NBA's problem is that they got out and were heard so they have to act

[PejaNowitzki]

:oldlol:


http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/~/media/0C88F61017A5488EB5E99063B70DE35F.ashx

[dude77]

Sterling is being banned for like because he grew up in the 1930/40s. BREAKING NEWS: 80 ONE YEAR OLD MAN IS A BIGOT. This punishment is absolutely comical. You fine him and move on. The bigger story is that women recording that conversation. She is the real enemy here. She made the NBA itself look just as bad. It's alright, Donald is going to take that bitch to court

this .. if anyone needs to be punished .. it's that fking worthless **** .. after the countless gifts and lavish lifestyle he most likely afforded her for whatever time she was with him .. she goes and does this ? .. leaks private conversations that completely ruin the man .. I hope he does go after her

[outbreak]

It's not lame when it's a business and PR decision. Sponsors were removing or putting on hold on the Clippers.

Silver had to protect the league from a business standpoint.
It is lame that society and the media will praise this move without bringing up the fact that the nba doesn't actually care about this besides the $$. Sterling should have gone he was a racist piece of shit in talking about how the media will now think the nba is amazing yet they still harbor rapists and did nothing for years about sterling

[PejaNowitzki]

not private, whole world heard them... Not NBA's problem how they got out, that's between Sterling and his GF.

NBA's problem is that they got out and were heard so they have to act



This. Once his comments were released, the NBA didn't have the option to sit back and do nothing, not if they cared about the future of the league. Sterling had to be removed.


That doesn't stop Sterling for going after the chick for releasing those comments however. He can put the NBA's response to him at her feet legally.

[DMV2]

not private, whole world heard them... Not NBA's problem how they got out, that's between Sterling and his GF.

NBA's problem is that they got out and were heard so they have to act
I feel like you, me and a few others are the only ones who gets this decision. :lol

Illegal recordings = between Sterling, the ex GF, Calif. laws.

Banned for life, $2.5 million fine, owners vote to force sell = NBA decision based on business, RP and maybe some moral.

[The_Yearning]

Isn't this illegal? What did Sterling do wrong, in the name of the law?

I don't believe racism is breaking any laws.

[rhythmic]

And the one time it got near the NBA when Elgin Baylor sued Sterling and racism was inferred during testimony Baylor lost that case.

People need to understand being racist is not a crime per se, it becomes a crime when it impacts others and or the work enviorment and in the Baylor case they were not able to prove Sterlings views has a direct impact on the Clippers.. Sterling's trial concerning the renters showed him to be racist and he paid some hefty damages but that didn't effect the NBA or it's interests so the NBA couldn't act

The recent comments he has made does effect the Clippers and the NBA as a whole, 14 sponsors gone, a TV deal in the balance etc etc etc

This makes no sense.
How does Sterling's private conversation with his girlfriend has to do with the work environment? He has been the owner for a long time and clearly has racist views about the world. Yet black players continuously played for the Clippers and no complaints were ever made about the "work environment".

[mr.big35]

Isn't this illegal? What did Sterling do wrong, in the name of the law?

I don't believe racism is breaking any laws.

because of bad PR

[PejaNowitzki]

This makes no sense.
How does Sterling's private conversation with his girlfriend has to do with the work environment? He has been the owner for a long time and clearly has racist views about the world. Yet black player continuously played for the Clippers and no complaints were ever made about the "work environment".



Once his comments were no longer public, but made private, it did affect the league and the Clippers franchise and couldn't be ignored. It doesn't matter how they were made public, they were and that can't be taken back.


How the comments were released are a legal matter between Sterling and his ex-gold digger.


Once they were released, it became a public matter that affected everything.

[Laker4Lyfe]

According to who exactly? Its not even known if the NBA forcing him to sell the team would hold up in court to begin with. This is largely unprecedented and there's going to be a lot of court battles before this is all over.



Anyone who thinks that Sterling is going to be all like "Okay", is out of their mind. The last thing to go for a super wealthy guy is his ego and I don't see Sterling being very accommodating here.

The NBA wouldn't be "forcing" him to do anything. The other OWNERS can vote him out based on their by-laws. And if they do the NBA would be in charge of the sale not Sterling.

[Laker4Lyfe]

[quote=rhythmic

[PejaNowitzki]

Isn't this illegal? What did Sterling do wrong, in the name of the law?

I don't believe racism is breaking any laws.



You can go put swastika's on your Facebook page, it isn't illegal. If your employer however finds out about it, you can and most likely will be fired, your employer doing so also isn't illegal.

[rhythmic]

Isn't this illegal? What did Sterling do wrong, in the name of the law?

I don't believe racism is breaking any laws.

It's business.
You don't think Apple would force its CEO to resign if this was to occur?

Reputation, brand image, profits is business...and when a racist person is in the mix, it hurts business. They can't just make him sell the team (I don't believe) but they can fine or penalize him for his actions.

He isn't going to jail, because its not a law...but he is being penalized because there is an oversight process in the NBA that is mandated by the NBA.

[ShackEelOKneel]

Isn't this illegal? What did Sterling do wrong, in the name of the law?

I don't believe racism is breaking any laws.

What part of it is illegal? He is being punished for actions that are detrimental to the success of the organization.

[Laker4Lyfe]

Isn't this illegal? What did Sterling do wrong, in the name of the law?

I don't believe racism is breaking any laws.

What does the law have to do with anything? He's not under arrest. :oldlol:

[dude77]

on espn?

one of those talking head interviews yes



For what exactly?


Although had the NAACP given Sterling that Lifetime Achievement Award as planned and THEN these comments had been released, that would have been good for the lulz.


A lot of people knew who this guy was, what he was all about and they were just kissing his ass because he had bankroll.

^ for those exact reasons .. they surely had to have had some inkling at the very least that sterling wasn't the most tolerant fellow but $$$ talks ..

also, they did give him a lifetime achievement award .. in 2009 :oldlol:

all of you idiots applauding all this nonsense are being trolled

[ShackEelOKneel]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[LakersFan626]

And the one time it got near the NBA when Elgin Baylor sued Sterling and racism was inferred during testimony Baylor lost that case.

People need to understand being racist is not a crime per se, it becomes a crime when it impacts others and or the work enviorment and in the Baylor case they were not able to prove Sterlings views has a direct impact on the Clippers.. Sterling's trial concerning the renters showed him to be racist and he paid some hefty damages but that didn't effect the NBA or it's interests so the NBA couldn't act

The recent comments he has made does effect the Clippers and the NBA as a whole, 14 sponsors gone, a TV deal in the balance etc etc etc

This. If you watched game 4 it CLEARLY had an effect on the players, and nine sponsors suspended their sponsorship while four terminated it altogether (no sponsors, no games aired as the sponsors make up the commercials and what's advertised on the billboard where the scorer's table is as well), and thus Sterling needed to be punished, and being banned for LIFE and a vote amongst the other owners to try and make him sell the team is a pretty big punishment. If they just fined him, THAT would be weak. Remember, this has an effect on around 90% of the players in the league (most of the league is black and thus Sterling insulted 90% of the league's players), including Lebron, so they HAD to do something like this to protect them.

[DMV2]

It is lame that society and the media will praise this move without bringing up the fact that the nba doesn't actually care about this besides the $$. Sterling should have gone he was a racist piece of shit in talking about how the media will now think the nba is amazing yet they still harbor rapists and did nothing for years about sterling
You make a valid point, as a reporter questioned Silver about the past incidents. Silver didn't even answer her question. My only quess is that Sterling was able to get away with it in the past because nobody cared bout his franchise and the NBA was also having their own moral issues. i.e. Malace in Palace, hip-hop and tattoo culture, etc.

With success, comes greater responsibilities and any wrong move can lead to consequences. You gotta expect that.

Would you rather have them do nothing about it and keep Sterling continuing his ways?

[PejaNowitzki]

The NBA wouldn't be "forcing" him to do anything. The other OWNERS can vote him out based on their by-laws. And if they do the NBA would be in charge of the sale not Sterling.


Once again, the legality of any such by-laws is bound for review in court. Just because a contract states something doesn't mean it is legally enforceable. I also haven't read anywhere that the NBA would take over the sale of the team, just that there is a stipulation that 2/3 of the ownership can vote to require him to sell the team, not that the NBA would take over the process. Yet there's a question on how that stipulation would hold up in court.


If every contract ever signed couldn't undergo a legal challenge, my firm would have gone out of business long ago.


Even if the NBA prevails, there is going to be a long court battle ahead. The NBA isn't just going to vote Sterling out and take control over his actual property. He's bound to a governing agreement as an owner but it doesn't override the legal right he has to his property....the Clippers franchise.


He'll challenge their decision in court, the NBA will respond likewise and we'll have judges determine the outcome of this, likely after an appeal or two. I don't see either party willing to back down here.

[ballup]

So if he goes to the NBA store, does security kick him out?

[outbreak]

You make a valid point, as a reporter questioned Silver about the past incidents. Silver didn't even answer her question. My only quess is that Sterling was able to get away with it in the past because nobody cared bout his franchise and the NBA was also having their own moral issues. i.e. Malace in Palace, hip-hop and tattoo culture, etc.

With success, comes greater responsibilities and any wrong move can lead to consequences. You gotta expect that.

Would you rather have them do nothing about it and keep Sterling continuing his ways?
Nah man I'm all for kicking him out I just wish the media wouldn't suddenly act like the nba is an amazingly caring organization when they had to make a stand or be crucified in the press. The nba has done the right thing im just venting on the press in general

[PHX_Phan]

Right...but a ban for life based on private words said to a girlfriend illegally recorded. No one thinks this is odd?

He's being banned for bringing them bad publicity and it pretty much ends there. Of course they are going to try and spin it as a moral decision, but this is just image damage control.

If this goes to court, I bet the defense relies solely on Sterling being detrimental to the NBA's product, and nothing to do with his personal beliefs.

[lakers_forever]

Once again, the legality of any such by-laws is bound for review in court. Just because a contract states something doesn't mean it is legally enforceable.


If every contract ever signed couldn't undergo a legal challenge, my firm would have gone out of business long ago.


Even if the NBA prevails, there is going to be a long court battle ahead. The NBA isn't just going to vote Sterling out and take control over his actual property. He bought the Clippers, not the NBA owners or the NBA Commissioner, he's bound to a governing agreement as an owner but it doesn't override the legal right he has to his actual property.

He'll challenge their decision in court, the NBA will respond likewise and we'll have judges determine the outcome of this, likely after an appeal or two.

Exactly. And I think Sterling would win the legal battle, because the NBA is doing something unconstitutional. The Supreme Court would be on his side. You can't forbid a man from entering his own property because of stupid things he said. What he did was immoral and terrible, but there's freedom of thought and speech in the U.S. The freaking Westboro Church won at the Supreme Court.
But Sterling is a business man, that might stop him from seeking litigation, because the value of his team would go down fast if he decides to take it to court and not sell it.

[HiphopRelated]

**** him and everybody who supports him

[HiphopRelated]

Exactly. And I think Sterling would win the legal battle, because the NBA is doing something unconstitutional. The Supreme Court would be on his side. You can't forbid a man from entering his own property because of stupid things he said. What he did was immoral and terrible, but there's freedom of thought and speech in the U.S. The freaking Westboro Church won at the Supreme Court.
But Sterling is a business man, that might stop him from seeking litigation, because the value of his team would go down fast if he decides to take it to court and not sell it.
Nope, doesn't work like that. Unless the Clippers are running 82 scrimmages a year, it comes under the umbrella of the NBA.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. Go in to an airport and joke about having a bomb, see how long it takes to get a foot up your ass for your freedom of speech.

[PejaNowitzki]

Exactly. And I think Sterling would win the legal battle, because the NBA is doing something unconstitutional. The Supreme Court would be on his side. You can't forbid a man from entering his own property because of stupid things he said. What he did was immoral and terrible, but there's freedom of thought and speech in the U.S. The freaking Westboro Church won at the Supreme Court.
But Sterling is a business man, that might stop him from seeking litigation, because the value of his team would go down fast if he decides to take it to court and not sell it.


I think the NBA's argument would be that his "property" isn't typical in that the success of all the franchises is interconnected and interdependent and just like your ownership in a franchise restaurant can be terminated if you do not abide by the franchise agreement. That said, if your franchise agreement is terminated, nobody comes to collect your kitchen equipment along with any/all property you personally own.


The issue would be Sterling arguing on receiving the proper amount of compensation for the sale of the franchise and whether the NBA's actions have hurt his ability to draw the maximum amount from the sale of the franchise and should the NBA owe him any additional compensation as a result of their actions.


Basically, the franchise will be his to sell as he wishes, to whomever he wishes, providing that they are then approved by the NBA ownership at large. He may be entitled to additional financial compensation from the NBA is his case is successful.

[rhythmic]

Once his comments were no longer public, but made private, it did affect the league and the Clippers franchise and couldn't be ignored. It doesn't matter how they were made public, they were and that can't be taken back.


How the comments were released are a legal matter between Sterling and his ex-gold digger.


Once they were released, it became a public matter that affected everything.

I think I have a different definition of what is a "work environment". From this conversation, I understand two things. 1) Sterling is clearly a racist, and 2) he was probably a closet racist his entire life.

But he hid that from the public and clearly his players. So the work environment was never the issue; the team's image is now. Players will feel uncomfortable associating themselves with a racist owner. To me that's not work environment, it's just the mentality of the people involved in the organization. Some will mind and some actually won't. Work environment to me is if Sterling actually communicates with his Clipper family (players, trainers, coaches, fans etc.) while using racist remarks. Calling them the N word and such. But I think Sterling hid this from the public to make it a safe work environment for his team (and business).

But of course, the term is pretty broad and there's no point of arguing about it. I just have a different definition of the word.

[Milbuck]

i just turned you green mah nigguh :rockon:
That's your 3rd asskissing comment directed at him. Why don't you just get it over with and suck his dick?

[PejaNowitzki]

I think I have a different definition of what is a "work environment". From this conversation, I understand two things. 1) Sterling is clearly a racist, and 2) he was probably a closet racist his entire life.

But he hid that from the public and clearly his players. So the work environment was never the issue; the team's image is now. Players will feel uncomfortable associating themselves with a racist owner. To me that's not work environment, it's just the mentality of the people involved in the organization. Some will mind and some actually won't. Work environment to me is if Sterling actually communicates with his Clipper family (players, trainers, coaches, fans etc.) while using racist remarks. Calling them the N word and such. But I think Sterling hid this from the public to make it a safe work environment for his team (and business).

But of course, the term is pretty broad and there's no point of arguing about it. I just have a different definition of the word.




I understand what you are getting at. Sterling has suffered material harm as a result of those comments being released, possibly with malicious intent from his ex-girlfriend.



However, as his comments have been harmful to the NBA and the NBA owners at large, they have the responsibility to protect their brand and reputation and to do so, Sterling has to be removed from the picture.


All of our actions and comments we make have consequences and can come back to be used against us, whether we anticipate it or not. Sterling's only legal recourse is to go after his ex-girlfriend for attempting to do him harm, as a result of the NBA's actions today, he now has a case against her for any financial losses he may incur as a result of this.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Nope, doesn't work like that. Unless the Clippers are running 82 scrimmages a year, it comes under the umbrella of the NBA.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. Go in to an airport and joke about having a bomb, see how long it takes to get a foot up your ass for your freedom of speech.

Well said

[UK2K]

This. If you watched game 4 it CLEARLY had an effect on the players, and nine sponsors suspended their sponsorship while four terminated it altogether (no sponsors, no games aired as the sponsors make up the commercials and what's advertised on the billboard where the scorer's table is as well), and thus Sterling needed to be punished, and being banned for LIFE and a vote amongst the other owners to try and make him sell the team is a pretty big punishment. If they just fined him, THAT would be weak. Remember, this has an effect on around 90% of the players in the league (most of the league is black and thus Sterling insulted 90% of the league's players), including Lebron, so they HAD to do something like this to protect them.
I bet mid dunk Blake is thinking 'man my owner is racist'

[PejaNowitzki]

I keep hearing freedom of speech repeated over and over, your freedom of speech is strictly limited in regards to the government prohibiting you from speaking and even then there are restrictions.......you can't say "bomb" in an airport or falsely yell "fire" in a crowded theater, then you have your "free speech zones" which courts have endorsed.



The reality is if you say something blatantly stupid or hateful, regardless of how it gets out, don't expect your employer or customers to tolerate it under the guise of "free speech." When you run a business and say controversial shit, don't be shocked when your customers begin to go elsewhere, as is their right to do so.

[PejaNowitzki]

Also, as other lawyers have been saying, the NBA will have a hard time forcing a sale because they are doing so not because of Sterling's "conduct" but his "speech." Unless the by-laws specifically target certain types of "speech" and not just harmful "conduct", it could be a tough case for them to fight.


Sterling didn't go out and beat up a black guy, rob a convenience store, beat his girlfriend, he's been ostracized, rightfully, for his comments but are those enough to meet their contractual standards?


The answer will be coming to you soon live, in federal court.

[rhythmic]

I keep hearing freedom of speech repeated over and over, your freedom of speech is strictly limited in regards to the government prohibiting you from speaking and even then there are restrictions.......you can't say "bomb" in an airport or falsely yell "fire" in a crowded theater, then you have your "free speech zones" which courts have endorsed.

You can't be racist or say racist remarks? Your freedom of speech is revoked? :no:

Racism is a morale dilemma not a legal one. Sterling is being punished not because what he said violated freedom of speech, it violated morality BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT VIOLATED BUSINESS.

There's a reason most business today mandate being a "socially responsible company." Racism isn't a violation of freedom of speech... you're allowed to be racist just know that you live a highly multi-cultural country and it will significantly impact your reputation, especially as a public figure.

Saying bomb on an airplane can get you arrested, saying the N word on an airplane won't...but most likely will get you beat up. :oldlol:

[Dresta]

I keep hearing freedom of speech repeated over and over, your freedom of speech is strictly limited in regards to the government prohibiting you from speaking and even then there are restrictions.......you can't say "bomb" in an airport or falsely yell "fire" in a crowded theater, then you have your "free speech zones" which courts have endorsed.


The reality is if you say something blatantly stupid or hateful, regardless of how it gets out, don't expect your employer or customers to tolerate it under the guise of "free speech." When you run a business and say controversial shit, don't be shocked when your customers begin to go elsewhere, as is their right to do so.
Kindly **** off with that Wendell Holmes bs. The man used that example to put a load of people opposed to WW1 in prison for years for simply speaking their minds. It's a ridiculous proposition in the first place considering a person falsely yelling fire is not going to cause anybody any harm, whereas correctly shouting fire would actually start a panic that could endanger people. You gonna prohibit that too?

[Dresta]

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[PejaNowitzki]

Kindly **** off with that Wendell Holmes bs. The man used that example to put a load of people opposed to WW1 in prison for years for simply speaking their minds. It's a ridiculous proposition in the first place considering a person falsely yelling fire is not going to cause anybody any harm, whereas correctly shouting fire would actually start a panic that could endanger people. You gonna prohibit that too?



So when you start a stampede of people because they think there's a fire that really doesn't exist and a few people inevitably get trampled, you're saying that the person who falsely yelled fire should be allowed to simply walk away?



Regardless of how you feel about the law, that is the precedent and that is what the Courts follow.

[All Net]

Just hope clippers can move on quickly from this..

[PejaNowitzki]

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[PejaNowitzki]

Just hope clippers can move on quickly from this..



Sterling was just interviewed and said he has no intention of selling the team. So the answer to that appears to be no.

[rhythmic]

Just hope clippers can move on quickly from this..

Yeah, hopefully they move on from the city of Los Angeles.
Lakers do no tolerate racism. **** off little sister. :no:

[livinglegend]

Banned for life for a private conversation :oldlol: :oldlol:
What crime did he commit?

[rhythmic]

You can be as racist as you want. Nobody has locked up the Westboro people have they? The KKK and various Black Panther groups still get to march in public, nobody stops them as long as they follow the law...legal permitting..etc.

What you don't get is to be protected from people's response to your own words. You can be a racist, but don't be mad when other people choose to criticize you or cease associating with you for it.


Words have consequences.

How do I not get that when you literally just said the exact same thing I did in my previous post using different words? :oldlol:

Racism isn't a violation of freedom of speech.

[PejaNowitzki]

Banned for life for a private conversation :oldlol: :oldlol:
What crime did he commit?



He didn't have to commit a crime. What is it about this that people don't understand? You can as racist as you want, but don't expect that other people will condone it.

[Draz]

Banned for life for a private conversation :oldlol: :oldlol:
What crime did he commit?
That's how I'm kind of feeling. I'm racist all the time.

[PejaNowitzki]

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[PejaNowitzki]

That's how I'm kind of feeling. I'm racist all the time.



Are you an NBA Owner? The higher up you are in any organization, the more your words and actions reflect on that organization.

[rhythmic]

I don't get what you are arguing then? That Sterling should be allowed to be as racist as he wants and if it hurts the NBA's business then they should just suck it up?

I'm not arguing anything with you, I was endorsing your reasoning to begin with. :oldlol:
I'm telling people that racist remarks are NOT a violation of freedom of speech but it can IMPACT your life, reputation and business.

[DeuceWallaces]

Good article going through McCourt's options with the Dodgers when Selig did the same thing. Some people don't seem to understand that Sterling franchises out the Clippers like a local owner of a McDonald's; he doesn't own them like a house.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_mccann/04/21/mccourt.selig/

[DMV2]

That's how I'm kind of feeling. I'm racist all the time.
He's not being tried as a criminal. He's not going to jail. You won't either.

He's just losing a business partner because NBA don't want to be associated with a racist.

Your employers could do the same.

[Dresta]

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[PejaNowitzki]

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[Shade8780]

This is on the radio all the way over here.

[fiddy]

I hope the other owners dont support Silver. Thats way too much.

[NumberSix]

He's not being tried as a criminal. He's not going to jail. You won't either.

He's just losing a business partner because NBA don't want to be associated with a racist.

Your employers could do the same.
Only if they could demonstrate a reasonable expectation of financial loss or impact on the workplace environment.

[PejaNowitzki]

Good article going through McCourt's options with the Dodgers when Selig did the same thing. Some people don't seem to understand that Sterling franchises out the Clippers like a local owner of a McDonald's; he doesn't own them like a house.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_mccann/04/21/mccourt.selig/


There's a difference in that McDonald's only licenses you their name and intellectual property, they can't just come and take over your property if they decide to terminate the franchise relationship. There's also going to be legal questions on what grounds the NBA is trying to take the team away from Sterling. The difference between "conduct" and "speech" will be a crucial distinction depending on what Sterling is contractually obligated to.

[KingBeasley08]

coming from a black guy, this is way over the top. Dude has racist sentiments. It happens. As long as it's privately expressed and doesn't affect his basketball practices, there shouldn't be a punishment.


that said, I don't feel bad for the guy

[rhythmic]

Good article going through McCourt's options with the Dodgers when Selig did the same thing. Some people don't seem to understand that Sterling franchises out the Clippers like a local owner of a McDonald's; he doesn't own them like a house.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_mccann/04/21/mccourt.selig/

There's one large difference, franchisees at McDonalds must pay monthly fees to the HQ while Sterling does not. If the owner of McDonalds violates the regulatory standards of operations, he could be overthrown by the HQ while receiving his initial investment back but the NBA has NO RIGHT to do that to Sterling. If they did, it would have been done already.

[gts]

I hope the other owners dont support Silver. Thats way too much.

Judging from the team releases it looks to be somewhere between 99 and 100% support

[Dresta]

So when you start a stampede of people because they think there's a fire that really doesn't exist and a few people inevitably get trampled, you're saying that the person who falsely yelled fire should be allowed to simply walk away?



Regardless of how you feel about the law, that is the precedent and that is what the Courts follow.
I'm saying that a person shouting fire would never cause that and the example was used as a non-existent justification for persecuting people for expressing unpopular opinions. As a thinking human being yourself, if some idiot starting running round a theatre shouting fire, would you even listen, or would you keep eating your popcorn?

These kind of idiotic hypotheticals are always used in the end to persecute opinion, and they have been used in this way many times in American history (the fire example was used by Wendell Holmes when he put Americans in prison for decades for writing anti-war pamphlets).

[PejaNowitzki]

Only if they could demonstrate a reasonable expectation of financial loss or impact on the workplace environment.


Depends on the state/jurisdiction. In some states you don't have to give a reason at all.


Remember Adam Smith, the guy who drove through the Chic-Fil-A drive-thru on his own time, just to berate the girl at the window and then put it on Youtube for the world to see? His employer canned him the next day because he brought negative attention upon the company. He didn't have any recourse whatsoever.

[rhythmic]

You don't get it man: he wasn't pissed off because of his personal animosities, but because of how it made him look to the people he associates with. He likely runs in a close, rich, elderly jewish group (old Jews being often racially prejudiced), who saw these pictures of their associate's wench parading around with black guys they probably thought she was ****ing, and it made him look bad (to them). From listening to the tape and all his talk about 'culture' and getting 'calls' etc. i think this is more likely why he is pissed off.

That's actually an excellent point. Thinking back to the way he was talking, this makes a lot of sense. I didn't understand him to be honest. At one point he seems totally okay with black people and than he doesn't want his girl to associate with them PUBLICLY.

It's almost like he's saying "If it's only me and you, and we have a house party; you can invite black people but if I have friends there, I don't want any of them at the party."

[The Iron Sheik]

he'll be back. he'll just make another account.

[ZenMaster]

You don't get it man: he wasn't pissed off because of his personal animosities, but because of how it made him look to the people he associates with. He likely runs in a close, rich, elderly jewish group (old Jews being often racially prejudiced), who saw these pictures of their associate's wench parading around with black guys they probably thought she was ****ing, and it made him look bad (to them). From listening to the tape and all his talk about 'culture' and getting 'calls' etc. i think this is more likely why he is pissed off.

That's the context I got as well and I've seen a lot of people say that he's equally racist for this and if you're defending him for it you're a racist as well.
It's made me think if I'm a bad person, but I just feel that everybody is a product of their sorroundings and up bringing when it comes to these matters, even 82 year old billionaires.

[NumberSix]

Depends on the state/jurisdiction. In some states you don't have to give a reason at all.


Remember Adam Lanza, the guy who drove through the Chic-Fil-A drive-thru on his own time, just to berate the girl at the window and then put it on Youtube for the world to see? His employer canned him the next day because he brought negative attention upon the company. He didn't have any recourse whatsoever.
Isn't that the school shooting kid?

[fiddy]

Judging from the team releases it looks to be somewhere between 99 and 100% support
RIP common sense, this thing got blown out of proportions

[PejaNowitzki]

I'm saying that a person shouting fire would never cause that


O Rly?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-lehto/the-italian-hall-disaster_b_1120771.html



"Then, a stranger stepped into the main hall and yelled "Fire!" There was no fire but panic spread through the building. Most people rushed out the only way they knew: toward the steep staircase that led to the street. Someone tripped and fell and soon a pile of bodies blocked the stairwell. When the volunteer firemen arrived just a few minutes later they could not untangle the mass from the street level. They had to climb the fire escape and perform the rescue from the top. At least 73 in the pile were dead, of whom perhaps 60 were children."

[rhythmic]

That's the context I got as well and I've seen a lot of people say that he's equally racist for this and if you're defending him for it you're a racist as well.
It's made me think if I'm a bad person, but I just feel that everybody is a product of their sorroundings and up bringing when it comes to these matters, even 82 year old billionaires.

If that's the case than he should only get a 2.5 million dollar fine. He's a shitty person for associating himself with racist people, but I'm not sure if that necessarily makes him racist?

That conversation was honestly very confusing to me.

[PejaNowitzki]

Isn't that the school shooting kid?



Sorry, I don't know what I was thinking. Adam Smith was his name. I just called him Douchy face guy.


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[dude77]

so now magic wants to go to a clipper game again ? lol .. I thought he wasn't going as long as sterling was owner :no:

[mehyaM24]

That's the context I got as well and I've seen a lot of people say that he's equally racist for this and if you're defending him for it you're a racist as well.
It's made me think if I'm a bad person, but I just feel that everybody is a product of their sorroundings and up bringing when it comes to these matters, even 82 year old billionaires.

if you cant discern right from wrong, you're a mental midget.....point blank.

[ShackEelOKneel]

Also, as other lawyers have been saying, the NBA will have a hard time forcing a sale because they are doing so not because of Sterling's "conduct" but his "speech." Unless the by-laws specifically target certain types of "speech" and not just harmful "conduct", it could be a tough case for them to fight.


Sterling didn't go out and beat up a black guy, rob a convenience store, beat his girlfriend, he's been ostracized, rightfully, for his comments but are those enough to meet their contractual standards?


The answer will be coming to you soon live, in federal court.

But is Sterling really going to fight it? Why would anybody keep the team if everybody else in the league wants you out? That is, of course, unless he wants to go the Rob Ford route.

http://media.giphy.com/media/3ono2gtFkQqVa/giphy.gif

[PejaNowitzki]

But is Sterling really going to fight it? Why would anybody keep the team if everybody else in the league wants you out? That is, of course, unless he wants to go the Rob Ford route.

http://media.giphy.com/media/3ono2gtFkQqVa/giphy.gif




Because he's old and he doesn't give a ****? Everyone has flipped him the bird so I fully expect him to flip them one back. He was just interviewed and said he has no interest in or expectation of selling the team. Does that sound like a guy who will just give in without a fight?

[rhythmic]

But is Sterling really going to fight it? Why would anybody keep the team if everybody else in the league wants you out? That is, of course, unless he wants to go the Rob Ford route.

http://media.giphy.com/media/3ono2gtFkQqVa/giphy.gif

:roll: ****ing guy was at the Raptors game in Toronto. I sat like 7 rows higher. Dude had ketchup on his shirt and shit, such a pig that guy is.

[ShackEelOKneel]

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[mattvNJ]

WELL... Sterling has just stated that the CLIPPER ARE NOT for sale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS1xEPMvriA


THis is gonna be an all out war of rich owners and the NBA haha.

[The Iron Sheik]

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[ZenMaster]

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[The Iron Sheik]

what's pissing me off about this is the people who are apparently so "outraged" about it as if they don't see this kind of shit happen on an everyday basis, and if a lot of that isn't of their own doing. these white people so "outraged" about this are the same ones who when you tell them that there are a disproportionate amount of black men incarcerated in america will chalk it up to just "n!ggas being n!ggas", and the same ones who clench their purses and lock their doors when young black people blasting rap music drive down the street.

the black people celebrating this like some kind of victory in the eradication of prejudice towards blacks are the same ones who put on their "white voice" when hanging out with their white friends. it's the same shit.

where was all the "outrage" when david stern said he didn't want players dressing like thugs aka most young black men? where's the protesting then? that's the same deal.

and for people making the tongue-in-cheek slavery analogy, it's ridiculous. like 28-29 of the 30 owners are old white dudes, and probably hang with the same crowd sterling hangs with. who gives a **** if 80% of the players are black? does that mean it would be ok for say a hockey owner to be like "i don't want blacks coming to my games."?

[BurningHammer]

Sterling is not gonna back down and go out without a fight. It sparks from an illegal mean after all.

[PejaNowitzki]

Sterling is not gonna back down and go out without a fight. It sparks from an illegal mean after all.




Sterling's going to go to war over this. Anyone who thinks he'll be out as an owner anytime soon is setting themselves up for disappointment. Even if he doesn't have a chance to win, he'll keep fighting this, putting forward endless motion after motion and keep pressing and keep this in the news headlines for a long time. He's a stubborn asshole and this is what stubborn assholes do. He has nothing to do lose and more money than he could spend in like 5 lifetimes.

[ZenMaster]

if you cant discern right from wrong, you're a mental midget.....point blank.

I've met and socialized with enough people from all different classes of society to know that right and wrong isn't always definite.

[DeuceWallaces]

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[mehyaM24]

I've met and socialized with enough people from all different classes of society to know that right and wrong isn't always definite.

is what donald sterling said "wrong" AND does it effect the leagues future business propositions?
just a yes or no question. please answer....

[dude77]

WELL... Sterling has just stated that the CLIPPER ARE NOT for sale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS1xEPMvriA


THis is gonna be an all out war of rich owners and the NBA haha.


this gonna be good :applause: .. I will say though, he said that before the announcement and they said he didn't know what was going to be said or the severity of it .. maybe he'll change his mind when he sees everything coming down on him

[rhythmic]

I just listened to Silver's decision and completely disagree. That's so harsh. You're banning him from every single access to the team he OWNS, paid 500+ million for. That makes no sense to me. The 2.5 million fine is justified, especially if it goes to charity but damn a LIFETIME ban?

I think a ban for next season is fine, but for life?!
I just think people are overreacting. A new commissioner, tying to get his dick wet ... setting a hefty penalty more so for his own personal image and publicity than the justification of the crime.

[PejaNowitzki]

That doesn't matter. You're missing the point. He doesn't have standard legal power. This won't go to court, it'll go through arbitration with the owner vote and if loses he'll be out. Case closed.


Once again, that simply isn't true. The NBA's contract already defines the Commissioner's decisions as equivalent to final and binding arbitration.....that still doesn't mean that this case won't end up in Federal Court.....it will. There's enough wiggle worm in the wording that Sterling could simply insist that this does not apply to him.


Even binding arbitration decisions can be overturned by courts with the right legal theory. Sterling will do whatever he can to keep this matter going. He just stated that he has no intention of selling the team. He has enough money to keep fighting for quite awhile because frankly...at this point, what does he have to lose?




While Sterling did acknowledge that it was his voice on the recording, Silver said he has "no idea" whether Sterling will fight the NBA in court if he is forced to sell the team.




This is going to go court and it might be awhile before we have a resolution. In the meantime a judge can issue an injunction from the NBA selling the team or taking over the ownership at any point.

[mehyaM24]

so now magic wants to go to a clipper game again ? lol .. I thought he wasn't going as long as sterling was owner :no:
keep crying,devil :oldlol:

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