If Durant and Westbrook dont make tha 2nd round..

[Real14]

What do you think should happen next season with this team?

Will Durant and Westbrook ever make it far in tha playoffs on tha same team again?

Should it be Durant's team or westbrook's team from now on?

Will this 1st round exit lose their credibility on their legacy like other superstars
who failed at this stage before and gets severly underrated real fast?

whats your thoughtz?

[DMAVS41]

Fire the idiot coach.

Get a real coach.

Add 1 more piece somehow...I'm still sure the Dallas pick (21st pick) and Perry Jones and maybe a future 2nd round nets you Afflalo.

Win multiple titles...

[Real14]

Fire the idiot coach.

Get a real coach.

Add 1 more piece somehow...I'm still sure the Dallas pick (21st pick) and Perry Jones and maybe a future 2nd round nets you Afflalo.

Win multiple titles...
I agree, but they most definitely need that major piece to replace harden

[DMAVS41]

I agree, but they most definitely need that major piece to replace harden

They really don't. I promise you they don't.

This team is awesome...just look at this series. Durant and WB are playing like ass...and they could easily be up 3-2 right now against a very good Grizzlies team.

This team needs to get better at the sg position or the center position. And by better I mean a glorified role player...not a star. The last thing this team needs is another star type player.

They need an afflalo type sg...very solid all around player good without the ball in his hands and defends well guy.

They need that...not Harden.

[KyleKong]

Hire a coach that would bench Westbrook for chucking.

But I feel bad for Brooks, he's not the one on the court getting man handled by Tony Allen.

[Real14]

They really don't. I promise you they don't.

This team is awesome...just look at this series. Durant and WB are playing like ass...and they could easily be up 3-2 right now against a very good Grizzlies team.

This team needs to get better at the sg position or the center position. And by better I mean a glorified role player...not a star. The last thing this team needs is another star type player.

They need an afflalo type sg...very solid all around player good without the ball in his hands and defends well guy.

They need that...not Harden.
Not really a star but yea just like you said an affalo type player who was tha best scorer on his magic team this past regular season that's very liable on scoring, defending and playing good team basketball.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Harden being gone exposed their lack of an efficent playmaker.


Harden was the best distributor on the team.
http://i.imgur.com/KLyJGLZ.gif

[DMAVS41]

Not really a star but yea just like you said an affalo type player who was tha best scorer on his magic team this past regular season that's very liable on scoring, defending and playing good team basketball.

Yea...that was the answer all year.

But Presti held on to that Dallas pick and it really might cost him getting out of the first round.

This game 6 has so many ramifications it's not even funny.

They lose this series and Brooks is gone and Presti looks like a moron.

They win, they probably make the finals again assuming that they would have broken free from this slump, and even if they lose...Brooks probably stays and Presti doesn't get hate for what was a terrible decision.

I'd be interested to know what Thunder fans would want...make the finals with Brooks or lose now and know he's gone in the off season.

[pegasus]

Fire the idiot coach.

Get a real coach.

Add 1 more piece somehow...I'm still sure the Dallas pick (21st pick) and Perry Jones and maybe a future 2nd round nets you Afflalo.

Win multiple titles...

I agree, but there's no guarantee WB will get it together as a point guard under a real coach. He's just so out of control half the time, which sets the tone for the entire team.

I say if it doesn't work out with a good coach, trade WB at the trade deadline. If he remains healthy, they can get 2-3 good pieces for him. An actual guard like Rondo or Lowry and a good SG like Afflalo would be much better than having WB.

[Nuff Said]

But I thought if KD had Westbrook, thunder would've owned the grizzlies and been in the finals instead of the spurs.

[lakerspng]

I don't think Westbrook and Durant are a great fit ultimately. When they're on, they're damn near unstoppable because each of them are such dynamic players.

Durant needs to play with a point guard more like Jason Kidd or Gary Payton. A guy who doesn't care about shots but will get up and play nasty D and set him up for plays... yet can still put up 15-20 ppg.

Westbrook needs to play with a good post player, somebody who likes to work below the free throw line, who's going to demand the ball and do something with it when he gets it. There aren't many of those guys left, but you could probably pair him up with Anthony Davis and they'd dominate for the next 8 years.

Two dominant offensive perimeter players rarely work out well. Even though they've won a couple championships now, you can still see it with Miami at times with Lebron and Wade. not nearly as much as early in their relationship, but Wade's also a more experienced player and not trying to prove himself like Durant and Westbrook are.

Talent doesn't win championships. Chemistry, Teamwork and coaching does. Talent helps, but at the end of the day, talent is just one piece of the puzzle.

OKC should remain Durant's team.

Westbrook will probably move on to another team.

Series is not over yet, I could see them wining the next two and getting themselves back on track.

[DMAVS41]

I agree, but there's no guarantee WB will get it together as a point guard under a real coach. He's just so out of control half the time, which sets the tone for the entire team.

I say if it doesn't work out with a good coach, trade WB at the trade deadline. If he remains healthy, they can get 2-3 good pieces for him. An actual guard like Rondo or Lowry and a good SG like Afflalo would be much better than having WB.

It would depend on what you got back.

Because Rondo alone would make this Thunder team worse actually. They need WB to score and attack like he does because of how easily the rest of the Thunder, including Durant at times, are completely shut down.

WB is a good fit on this team in my opinion...they just need a better coach and a better sg or center....and also, they need KD to play like a star.

He really hasn't been at all dominant aside from a couple games against the Grizzlies in the playoffs over the last 2 years.

Hard to win if your star player isn't doing much.

[Real14]

Hire a coach that would bench Westbrook for chucking.

But I feel bad for Brooks, he's not the one on the court getting man handled by Tony Allen.
bench westbrook?:biggums: or turn him into tha 6th man right?:confusedshrug:

[Real14]

Yea...that was the answer all year.

But Presti held on to that Dallas pick and it really might cost him getting out of the first round.

This game 6 has so many ramifications it's not even funny.

They lose this series and Brooks is gone and Presti looks like a moron.

They win, they probably make the finals again assuming that they would have broken free from this slump, and even if they lose...Brooks probably stays and Presti doesn't get hate for what was a terrible decision.

I'd be interested to know what Thunder fans would want...make the finals with Brooks or lose now and know he's gone in the off season.
that's crazy. All depends on one game. Im rooting for tha thunder to come out of this funk but its looking real bleak right now on how they are getting man handled defensively by tha grizz. They need to figure out how to stop Tony Allen and figure out how to stop from being stopped by Tony Allen. He got Durant locked down.

[BrainDead]

Westbrook needs his own team. I'm tired of seeing him play with this bitch Durant. :coleman:

[Real14]

I don't think Westbrook and Durant are a great fit ultimately. When they're on, they're damn near unstoppable because each of them are such dynamic players.

Durant needs to play with a point guard more like Jason Kidd or Gary Payton. A guy who doesn't care about shots but will get up and play nasty D and set him up for plays... yet can still put up 15-20 ppg.

Westbrook needs to play with a good post player, somebody who likes to work below the free throw line, who's going to demand the ball and do something with it when he gets it. There aren't many of those guys left, but you could probably pair him up with Anthony Davis and they'd dominate for the next 8 years.

Two dominant offensive perimeter players rarely work out well. Even though they've won a couple championships now, you can still see it with Miami at times with Lebron and Wade. not nearly as much as early in their relationship, but Wade's also a more experienced player and not trying to prove himself like Durant and Westbrook are.

Talent doesn't win championships. Chemistry, Teamwork and coaching does. Talent helps, but at the end of the day, talent is just one piece of the puzzle.

OKC should remain Durant's team.

Westbrook will probably move on to another team.

Series is not over yet, I could see them wining the next two and getting themselves back on track.
You have a point, plus Durant is not that aggressive takeover guy like Jordan and kobe was. When westbrook is on tha court, westbrook act like he have to be tha aggressive takeova guy at times especially in tha final crucial moments of tha game. Durant and Westbrook would probably work better with a big man that has tha caliber of somebody like Nene and of course an affalo as well.

[Real14]

Westbrook needs his own team. I'm tired of seeing him play with this bitch Durant. :coleman:
what teams could he excel tha best with?

[Draz]

:cheers:
Westbrook needs his own team. I'm tired of seeing him play with this bitch Durant. :coleman:

[BrainDead]

what teams could he excel tha best with?
The Bulls

[Real14]

The Bulls
what about derrick rose?:confusedshrug:

[Real14]

Do anybody think Lil B has anything to do with dis catastrophe tho?:confusedshrug: :lol

[BrainDead]

what about derrick rose?:confusedshrug:
That would be the trade.......Westbrook for Rose

[Real14]

That would be the trade.......Westbrook for Rose
I don't think dats a good trade:durantunimpressed:

[BrainDead]

I don't think dats a good trade:durantunimpressed:
Not for OKC, but it would be a great trade for the Bulls. They would get a PG that would actually play in games and not wear a suits all the time.

[ILLsmak]

What do you think should happen next season with this team?

Will Durant and Westbrook ever make it far in tha playoffs on tha same team again?

Should it be Durant's team or westbrook's team from now on?

Will this 1st round exit lose their credibility on their legacy like other superstars
who failed at this stage before and gets severly underrated real fast?

whats your thoughtz?

It's def a failure.

I think they should shop WB, see what is available. Not that Memphis is a bad team at all, but still losing in the first round when you are a contender is ****ed up.

Likely, they will fire Brooks and keep the team the same though. I really think they could get a lot of worth out of Westbrook, though, he is definitely overqualified for his job. That 2 players who don't fit doesn't work. It didn't work with Bron and Wade, either, until Wade took a back seat. Even then it sometimes still pops up.

In no situation should we have Durant rebounding the ball and going coast to coast for a shot because he doesn't know if he'll get the ball back. That means the chemistry is ****ed, no matter what the outcome is.

They need someone dedicated to getting Durant the ball where he wants it. Durant is not a ball handler. If your primary ball handler shoots as much as your scorer, that's ****ed up. I think Westbrook has tons of talent and this situation is also handicapping him. So, hopefully they figure it out.

-Smak

[Real14]

Not for OKC, but it would be a great trade for the Bulls. They would get a PG that would actually play in games and not wear a suits all the time.
funny but kinda true:lol tha thing is okc and Durant will not let this trade go down.

[Real14]

It's def a failure.

I think they should shop WB, see what is available. Not that Memphis is a bad team at all, but still losing in the first round when you are a contender is ****ed up.

Likely, they will fire Brooks and keep the team the same though. I really think they could get a lot of worth out of Westbrook, though, he is definitely overqualified for his job. That 2 players who don't fit doesn't work. It didn't work with Bron and Wade, either, until Wade took a back seat. Even then it sometimes still pops up.

In no situation should we have Durant rebounding the ball and going coast to coast for a shot because he doesn't know if he'll get the ball back. That means the chemistry is ****ed, no matter what the outcome is.

They need someone dedicated to getting Durant the ball where he wants it. Durant is not a ball handler. If your primary ball handler shoots as much as your scorer, that's ****ed up. I think Westbrook has tons of talent and this situation is also handicapping him. So, hopefully they figure it out.

-Smak
Yea somebody definitely needs to take a backseat for sure.

[imdaman99]

Yea somebody definitely needs to take a backseat for sure.
The difference is that Wade was on his way down and Lebron >>> Durant. Both KD and RW are in their prime, or close to it. Do you honestly think if Russ takes a backseat to Durant in this series, that Durant will take over against the Grizz? Tony Allen is still on that team, Durant looks worn out at the end of games even with Westbrook taking 25 shots.

I'm a big Westbrook fan but taking 30+ shots is never the answer. He went full Iverson there, he has similar heart as AI did but AI never had someone as talented as KD on his team while he was in Philly. Durant needs to man up and demand the damn ball. Westbrook was the guy who in game 7 3 years back against Grizz dropped a triple double with 14 assists and Durant had like 35+. He is willing, but Durant needs to show something too.

[Levity]

Just going off of that post about acquiring lowry. what about westbrook for a s/t lowry and ross? either team interested? is it even possible?

[Real14]

The difference is that Wade was on his way down and Lebron >>> Durant. Both KD and RW are in their prime, or close to it. Do you honestly think if Russ takes a backseat to Durant in this series, that Durant will take over against the Grizz? Tony Allen is still on that team, Durant looks worn out at the end of games even with Westbrook taking 25 shots.

I'm a big Westbrook fan but taking 30+ shots is never the answer. He went full Iverson there, he has similar heart as AI did but AI never had someone as talented as KD on his team while he was in Philly. Durant needs to man up and demand the damn ball. Westbrook was the guy who in game 7 3 years back against Grizz dropped a triple double with 14 assists and Durant had like 35+. He is willing, but Durant needs to show something too.
that's what I mean by backseat or shud I say passenger seat. You right tho, westbrook can still be aggressive and score a lot but not too much, he have to let Durant go krazy and Durant have to have that killer instinct coming from deep inside him to takeova as tha man.

[Real14]

Just going off of that post about acquiring lowry. what about westbrook for a s/t lowry and ross? either team interested? is it even possible?
sounds like a good trade.

[MJ(Mean John)]

Rt: trade Westbrook+Perkins expirer+2nd rounder for Rondo+ Sullinger

[poido123]

There will be changes.

The coach and players will change IMO.

[poido123]

It's def a failure.

I think they should shop WB, see what is available. Not that Memphis is a bad team at all, but still losing in the first round when you are a contender is ****ed up.

Likely, they will fire Brooks and keep the team the same though. I really think they could get a lot of worth out of Westbrook, though, he is definitely overqualified for his job. That 2 players who don't fit doesn't work. It didn't work with Bron and Wade, either, until Wade took a back seat. Even then it sometimes still pops up.

In no situation should we have Durant rebounding the ball and going coast to coast for a shot because he doesn't know if he'll get the ball back. That means the chemistry is ****ed, no matter what the outcome is.



They need someone dedicated to getting Durant the ball where he wants it. Durant is not a ball handler. If your primary ball handler shoots as much as your scorer, that's ****ed up. I think Westbrook has tons of talent and this situation is also handicapping him. So, hopefully they figure it out.

-Smak

Good point the bolded and good post.

Durant desparately needs a pass first point guard and a post up banger down low. Get these two things? He can win a chip. Oh and a new coach.

[MJ(Mean John)]

Good point the bolded and good post.

Durant desparately needs a pass first point guard and a post up banger down low. Get these two things? He can win a chip. Oh and a new coach.

Wait. WhT about Perkins doe?
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Serious now.


Grab him Monroe or Gibson via FA.

+ trade Westbrook +perkins +2nd round pick for Rondo+Sullinger (banger)

[KDthunderup]

Fire the idiot coach.

Get a real coach.

Add 1 more piece somehow...I'm still sure the Dallas pick (21st pick) and Perry Jones and maybe a future 2nd round nets you Afflalo.

Win multiple titles...
Weren't you giving me shit when I made a thread that the Thunder need to fire Scott Brooks?

[MJ(Mean John)]

Oh and hire SVG or Hollins

[pastis]

the durant hate is so funny. do you think that he would play that bad agains b9bcats? or that lebron would play that good against memphis? :lol :lol

lheat with lebron, wade, bosh, anderson etc. pp only against ****ing lowskilled teams until the finals. even the pacers are a joke, toronto are clowns. easy way for miami like every year in the east. no real competition, they can rest a lot and play in the finals against exhausted west-teams. wow. how strong heat and lebron are:applause: :applause: :applause: :roll: :roll: :lol :lol

[BlazerRed]

1. Replace the coach.

2. Get a replacement for Thabo. Afflalo if possible. Need someone who can score and play defense, not one or the other. Perkins contract expires at the end of next year.. need to ride that out. Play Adams more to give him burn time.

[All Net]

Fire the idiot coach.

Get a real coach.

Add 1 more piece somehow...I'm still sure the Dallas pick (21st pick) and Perry Jones and maybe a future 2nd round nets you Afflalo.

Win multiple titles...
Agreed he would be a perfect fit.

[KDthunderup]

KD has obviously had a poor performance these playoffs and has underperformed to his usual standards which is mostly on him. But the way Brooks has this offense playing puts way too much pressure on KD and Westbrook to virtually create the offense through their supreme talent. Brooks puts some awfully inept offensive lineups on the floor outside of both KD and RW putting even more defensive attention on both and he runs no sets to create easy shots. It's literally give the ball to either RW or KD and let them breakdown the offense and make a play.

Defensively Brooks isn't a bad coach, I'll give him credit that he has us playing some elite defense at times and has made some good defensive adjustments in the past. But obviously on the other side of the ball he is woeful.

Presti really either has two decisions in my mind. We bring in someone like Afflalo who can take some offensive attention off KD and WB. It was shown that Brooks ISO system can be effective with 3 talented offensive players, obviously Afflalo doesn't match Harden on the offensive end but his defense more then makes up for that gap on offense.

Or we simply sack Brooks and bring in a better coach. This option may be more risky and could take a while for the new coach to implement his style onto the Thunder but it may be the only way we could win a title.

So it's either take the easier, less risky short term option and hope that Brooks with the addition of someone like Afflalo could be enough to mask the flaws in Brook's ISO offense, or we go the more riskier, longer term, possibly higher reward option of replacing Brooks. Who knows Presti might just do both.

[SHABBA]

The Westbrook/Durant dynamic isn't really the issue in this series. If KD can't even free himself to receive the ball, I don't see why Russ shouldn't be taking 20+ shots. They need both of them to be taking 20+ shots really, as they have been.

The problem is with the offense in general and the complete lack of Brooks running any plays to get better looks. I know it's easy to blame KD or RW for jacking up threes late in games but given the amount of timeouts teams have in these situations, how is that not on Brooks? How can he not be sorting out a play to get the best look?

Imagine this OKC team with Carlisle, man.

[lilgodfather1]

The problem is their chemistry. Their two best players are both chuckers, and their coach has no offensive scheme in place for the event that both players are having a rough game.

[NumberSix]

The problem is that KD is a game 1 warrior.

[KDthunderup]

The problem is their chemistry. Their two best players are both chuckers, and their coach has no offensive scheme in place for the event that both players are having a rough game.
I truly think one of the reasons KD and RW are chuckers because there really aren't too many other players on this team capable of creating their own shots and because Brooks gives them free reign and never holds them accountable for taking poor shots.

I would love to see Westbrook play under a stricter coach who would hold him more accountable for some of his erratic play. He would probably still come up with some boneheaded plays but I reckon under a new coach the perception of his game could change.

[KDthunderup]

The problem is that KD is a game 1 warrior.
Obviously one of the reasons this series has been KD's poor play but come one, as if you can't admit this team isnt technically flawed.

[NumberSix]

Obviously one of the reasons this series has been KD's poor play but come one, as if you can't admit this team isnt technically flawed.
If you need a big performance in a game 1, KD is your man.

Other than that? Meh.

[DMAVS41]

Obviously one of the reasons this series has been KD's poor play but come one, as if you can't admit this team isnt technically flawed.

This Thunder team is not perfect, but how is it flawed really?

We are watching Durant and WB play shit series so far and they are only down 3-2. They have had a chance to win each of the last 4 games after a convincing game 1 win.

So the team is flawed because they are getting to OT and actually winning games with their two best players playing like shit against a 56 win team with legit playoff experience????

What?

Your team just got done winning a game on the road in which your two best players combined to go 11 of 45 shooting.

This is not a flawed team...it's just not a perfect team.

This series is actually evidence that the Thunder are better than you guys give them credit for. If they were getting blown out or something...then I'd understand. But when a team can watch their best player play like Durant has...and still get to 4 straight overtime games...and win a game in which he goes 5 of 21 and 5 turnovers...meh...really hard to argue that this team just isn't good enough.

[KDthunderup]

This Thunder team is not perfect, but how is it flawed really?

We are watching Durant and WB play shit series so far and they are only down 3-2. They have had a chance to win each of the last 4 games after a convincing game 1 win.

So the team is flawed because they are getting to OT and actually winning games with their two best players playing like shit against a 56 win team with legit playoff experience????

What?

Your team just got done winning a game on the road in which your two best players combined to go 11 of 45 shooting.

This is not a flawed team...it's just not a perfect team.

This series is actually evidence that the Thunder are better than you guys give them credit for.
Maybe series results have shown that its been close but that's more because of Memphis's poor offense, choking and long stretches without scoring which I can give credit to the Thunder for, they are a good defensive team.

But you seriously can't deny that Memphis has exposed how the type of offense Brook's has set up can be completely shut down and relies far too heavily on KD and WB to create something out of nothing.

I give credit to Memphis for playing some great defense but if this team could run some better sets and get the ball moving no doubt this series is over.

I'm not trying to defend KD here, I'm just stating from my point of view as a Thunder fan that KD and RW can't do it by themselves playing the style they are. Yes you can give shit to KD, maybe he isn't good enough to carry this team how it's currently constructed. You could argue that players like Lebron and Kobe could do it but I'm just stating what I'm obviously viewing when I'm watching the Thunder.

[lilgodfather1]

I truly think one of the reasons KD and RW are chuckers because there really aren't too many other players on this team capable of creating their own shots and because Brooks gives them free reign and never holds them accountable for taking poor shots.

I would love to see Westbrook play under a stricter coach who would hold him more accountable for some of his erratic play. He would probably still come up with some boneheaded plays but I reckon under a new coach the perception of his game could change.
Oh absolutely. There's maybe 5 guys total on the roster that could consistently create a shot, but I mean the offense is basically iso create all game long. You don't win titles like that. At the end of the day you need an offensive playbook outside of set a pick and let kd/wb shoot. That is on brooks, not the players. Ibaka was open pretty much all game long in the two games ive watched of the series. Randolph is sagging off him a ton because he knows he can since ibaka won't get the ball anyways. You pass the ball to ibaka for some easy 18 footers, and randolph has to respect the shot now giving kd/wb an easier path. I can see that from my tv, brooks on the other hand...

[DMAVS41]

Maybe series results have shown that its been close but that's more because of Memphis's poor offense, choking and long stretches without scoring which I can give credit to the Thunder for, they are a good defensive team.

But you seriously can't deny that Memphis has exposed how the type of offense Brook's has set up can be completely shut down.

I give credit for Memphis playing some great defense but if this team could run some better sets and get the ball moving no doubt this series is over.

Sure, but what other team in the league can do this to the Thunder?

The point is that even playing a tough and really good team like the Grizzlies...the Thunder have made it to 4 straight overtime games and actually won a game with their two best players playing like shit.

Give the Grizzlies credit, but Durant is also just playing poorly. He's missing shots he normally makes. He's choking at the ft line...etc.

I'm just saying that when you play a tough matchup against a really good team...again, this is a 56 win Grizzlies team if healthy. And you have your stars play like shit and you're still in each game...only down 3-2 in the series.

That's evidence to me that this Thunder team can win ugly and stay in games even when they are off and aren't playing their game.

Look...it's just that way it is. No team is going to win the title if your two best players play like Durant/WB have this series. Nor would they deserve to.

I mean...Durant is at 24 ppg at 35%fg, 17% 3, 68% ft over the last 3 games with over 5 turnovers a game...and you've made it to 3 straight OT games against one of the 5 or so (maybe better) best teams in the league...winning one of those.

[lilgodfather1]

Sure, but what other team in the league can do this to the Thunder?

The point is that even playing a tough and really good team like the Grizzlies...the Thunder have made it to 4 straight overtime games and actually won a game with their two best players playing like shit.

Give the Grizzlies credit, but Durant is also just playing poorly. He's missing shots he normally makes. He's choking at the ft line...etc.

I'm just saying that when you play a tough matchup against a really good team...again, this is a 56 win Grizzlies team if healthy. And you have your stars play like shit and you're still in each game...only down 3-2 in the series.

That's evidence to me that this Thunder team can win ugly and stay in games even when they are off and aren't playing their game.

Look...it's just that way it is. No team is going to win the title if your two best players play like Durant/WB have this series. Nor would they deserve to.
So basically any good defense? Is that what you're trying to say. All the championship teams are good, the grizzlies play an awesome brand of ball, and I have enjoyed the games I've seen, but they are no miami, who could stun the thunder offense, but wouldn't have the offensive breakdowns that the grizz do. Those 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 minute droughts that allow the thunder to get back into games just wouldn't be there. Miami or the spurs would go up 20, and stay up 20. They wouldn't give up multiple 4 point plays, or foul on a halfcourt shot for free throws.

[DMAVS41]

So basically any good defense? Is that what you're trying to say. All the championship teams are good, the grizzlies play an awesome brand of ball, and I have enjoyed the games I've seen, but they are no miami, who could stun the thunder offense, but wouldn't have the offensive breakdowns that the grizz do. Those 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 minute droughts that allow the thunder to get back into games just wouldn't be there. Miami or the spurs would go up 20, and stay up 20. They wouldn't give up multiple 4 point plays, or foul on a halfcourt shot for free throws.

Okay? So the Heat when perfectly healthy are better than the Thunder.

One team in the league?

LOL...

You do realize that teams and players have to play well and overcome shit to win the title...right?

You guys want a league in which WB and Durant can play like shit and still win the title? No thanks for me...

Also, the Thunder beat the Spurs in 12...and were 4-0 against them in the regular season. The Thunder actually matchup well against the Spurs...and I'd imagine they would win that series if Durant dominates.

If you have a team built around a superstar...in this case 2...and that superstar gets shut down by single coverage. You likely aren't winning anything. Just the way it goes in the NBA...and the fact that the Thunder are still alive and could have actually won each of the last 4 games just shows what kind of team they are.

[lilgodfather1]

Okay? So the Heat when perfectly healthy are better than the Thunder.

One team in the league?

LOL...

You do realize that teams and players have to play well and overcome shit to win the title...right?

You guys want a league in which WB and Durant can play like shit and still win the title? No thanks for me...

Also, the Thunder beat the Spurs in 12...and were 4-0 against them in the regular season. The Thunder actually matchup well against the Spurs...and I'd imagine they would win that series if Durant dominates.

If you have a team built around a superstar...in this case 2...and that superstar gets shut down by single coverage. You likely aren't winning anything. Just the way it goes in the NBA...and the fact that the Thunder are still alive and could have actually won each of the last 4 games just shows what kind of team they are.
It says more about memphis than okc imo. Going home theres a 94% chance (or around) that memphis wims this series. It is over.

[DMAVS41]

It says more about memphis than okc imo. Going home theres a 94% chance (or around) that memphis wims this series. It is over.

The Thunder are favored by 3 points in tonight's game. LOL @ 94%...

Look. The Grizzlies would have been a 56 win team in a tough as shit Western Conference this year. They are really freaking good...really good.

And Durant has played like ass the last 4 games overall...especially the last 3. And the Thunder have had a chance to win all 4 of them. Literally Durant could have still played like shit and made 3 more shots in these games and 2 more ft's...and the Thunder could have won this series in 5.

You can't play like that and then turn around and blame the team...especially when the team is carrying you into these close games as well.

It just doesn't make sense.

So the Thunder are flawed and can't win, but they can beat a 56 win Grizzlies team with Durant and WB playing horribly????? What?

[KDthunderup]

Sure, but what other team in the league can do this to the Thunder?

The point is that even playing a tough and really good team like the Grizzlies...the Thunder have made it to 4 straight overtime games and actually won a game with their two best players playing like shit.

Give the Grizzlies credit, but Durant is also just playing poorly. He's missing shots he normally makes. He's choking at the ft line...etc.

I'm just saying that when you play a tough matchup against a really good team...again, this is a 56 win Grizzlies team if healthy. And you have your stars play like shit and you're still in each game...only down 3-2 in the series.

That's evidence to me that this Thunder team can win ugly and stay in games even when they are off and aren't playing their game.

Look...it's just that way it is. No team is going to win the title if your two best players play like Durant/WB have this series. Nor would they deserve to.

I mean...Durant is at 24 ppg at 35%fg, 17% 3, 68% ft over the last 3 games with over 5 turnovers a game...and you've made it to 3 straight OT games against one of the 5 or so (maybe better) best teams in the league...winning one of those.
Yes, if we somehow got past Memphis they probably would be the toughest defensive opponent we would face. But the other opponents we would face are obviously going to be more offensively gifted, evening out the step down in defense Memphis brings. There won't be any more long stretches without the other team scoring.

Yes our offense might not be as heavily exposed but its flaws will still reel its ugly head and cost us I guarantee it.

And also yes I do agree, that KD has had poor series, I am in no way saying that the fact we are 3-2 down hasn't had any factor to do with his own form. But I'm saying from what I have analyzed from watching the Thunder over the years these are key weaknesses which cause someone like KD or Westbrook to be shut down they way they have. We can get away with it in the regular season, we may be able to make a deep playoff run off the back of our defense and KD and WB's talent alone but I guarantee these flaws are the final hurdle to the Thunder winning a championship.

[DMAVS41]

Yes, if we somehow got past Memphis they probably would be the toughest defensive opponent we would face. But the other opponents we would face are obviously going to be more offensively gifted, evening out the step down in defense Memphis brings. There won't be any more long stretches without the other team scoring.

Yes our offense might not be as heavily exposed but its flaws will still reel its ugly head and cost us I guarantee it.

And also yes I do agree, that KD has had poor series, I am in no way saying that the fact we are 3-2 down has to do personally with his own form. But I'm saying from what I have analyzed from watching the Thunder over the years these are key weaknesses which cause someone like KD to be shut down they way he has.

of course. they have issues, but every team does.

what team doesn't have issues?

Clippers, Warriors, Rockets, and Blazers all have more issues as a team than the Thunder do in my opinion.

The Spurs have less, but they also can't fall back on a superstar to get them through a tough spot...they could easily be down 3-2 to the Mavs right now.

The Grizzlies go long stretches without being able to score.

All the East teams have way more issues...other than the Heat.

The only team I see in the league that has considerably less issues than the Thunder are the Heat when they are fully healthy.

I guess my point is that you guys have roughly the 2nd to 4th best team in the league. And if Durant plays great...I don't think anyone in the league other than the Spurs and Heat can beat them. And even then...I'm not sure the Spurs could beat them if Durant is great.

I also think it's a slippery slope blaming the team for Durant's struggles...one might flip that and say because Durant can't beat single coverage or stretch the floor because they are using sf's and guards on him...he's not allowing the Thunder to get what they want on offense.

[KDthunderup]

of course. they have issues, but every team does.

what team doesn't have issues?

Clippers, Warriors, Rockets, and Blazers all have more issues as a team than the Thunder do in my opinion.

The Spurs have less, but they also can't fall back on a superstar to get them through a tough spot...they could easily be down 3-2 to the Mavs right now.

The Grizzlies go long stretches without being able to score.

All the East teams have way more issues...other than the Heat.

The only team I see in the league that has considerably less issues than the Thunder are the Heat when they are fully healthy.

I guess my point is that you guys have roughly the 2nd to 4th best team in the league. And if Durant plays great...I don't think anyone in the league other than the Spurs and Heat can beat them. And even then...I'm not sure the Spurs could beat them if Durant is great.

I also think it's a slippery slope blaming the team for Durant's struggles...one might flip that and say because Durant can't beat single coverage or stretch the floor because they are using sf's and guards on him...he's not allowing the Thunder to get what they want on offense.
I wouldn't say the Thunder are the team only just behind the Heat as far as tactical weaknesses go. Ok obviously I agree overall personnel wise we are only just behind the Heat. But tactically we are definitely behind more teams then just the Heat. I see a team like Memphis who are tactically so much better then the Thunder, they move the ball around on offense very well, and defend at an elite level but they lack the offensive personnel to really punish teams. The Thunder are only still in this series because we are a good defensive team and we have extreme talent.

And even if the Thunder do change coaches of course there will still be overall weaknesses, which every team has, but this is such a glaring weakness it absolutely needs to be fixed. And maybe overall combining both tactical and personnel weaknesses we are just behind the Heat but if we want to beat the Heat and prevent being upset by teams we need to stray away from the offense Brooks has OKC running.

[Real14]

If you need a big performance in a game 1, KD is your man.

Other than that? Meh.
well tonight iz tha big night:applause: