Does anyone actually believe Wilt's tall tales?

[Jameerthefear]

Besides Lazerrus and CavsFTW :oldlol:

[Black and White]

Besides Lazerrus and CavsFTW :oldlol:

Why start a thread on a topic that you are too young to know anything about?

[TheReal Kendall]

Stop Trolling

[Jameerthefear]

Why start a thread on a topic that you are too young to know anything about?
No one on this forum is old enough to have seen Wilt play.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Oh looks its the pedophile OP who has been "15" since 2011

[Jameerthefear]

Oh looks its the pedophile OP who has been "15" since 2011
lolno. i was 13 when this account was approved. i turn 16 in a little less than two weeks

[Black and White]

No one on this forum is old enough to have seen Wilt play.

Exactly, but some people have taken time to learn about him and how he plays and his stats and stuff, you just look at a few youtube highlights, it doesn't give you the right to pass judgement.

[CavaliersFTW]

stick to believing toon women are real you filthy pedo

[Marchesk]

I believe them when in the context of the evidence that is available. Such as Wilt dunking from the foul line or on a 12 foot rim, or touching the top of the backboard. But throwing mountain lions and sleeping with legions of women are tall tales.

[MavsSuperFan]

Besides Lazerrus and CavsFTW :oldlol:
unfortunately there are lots of those that believe in those absurd stories:(

I mean you might as well believe in zeus and thor

[Helix]

No one on this forum is old enough to have seen Wilt play.


I wish that was true in my case, then I wouldn't be as old as I am. I saw Wilt play on TV numerous times from 1963 through 1973.

[Jameerthefear]

I wish that was true in my case, then I wouldn't be as old as I am. I saw Wilt play on TV numerous times from 1963 through 1973.
:wtf: how old r u

[Marchesk]

:wtf: how old r u

It might be hard for a 15 year old to process this, but some people still have their mental faculties in their 60s and 70s. :eek:

[CelticBaller]

Wilt is a myth

[ForeverHeat]

I wish that was true in my case, then I wouldn't be as old as I am. I saw Wilt play on TV numerous times from 1963 through 1973.

A elderly citizen called Helix on ISH? :coleman:

[Helix]

A elderly citizen called Helix on ISH? :coleman:


Hehehe...........elderly??? Funny thing is that when I was young I probably called people my age elderly. Now that I AM that age.....three score and a little bit more.....I don't see myself as elderly at all.

[HomieWeMajor]

No one on this forum is old enough to have seen Wilt play.
JLauber is fiddy nine
Wilt sent him to fetch some trim condoms back in the 60s

[CelticBaller]

Hehehe...........elderly??? Funny thing is that when I was young I probably called people my age elderly. Now that I AM that age.....three score and a little bit more.....I don't see myself as elderly at all.
Explain the name helix, you fossil

[La Frescobaldi]

Explain the name helix, you fossil
hey man don't call him a fossil!! lol

I watched Wilt from bleachers and on the tube for years, Helix and I ain't fossils.

We're just gettin' warmed up!!

edit: where's Jaspar at? That Buck man saw Wilt and Kareem duke it out in Minneapolis, he ain't no fossil either

[HomieWeMajor]

hey man don't call him a fossil!! lol

I watched Wilt from bleachers and on the tube for years, Helix and I ain't fossils.

We're just gettin' warmed up!!
Can you confirm if you need Viagra when you watch Wilt highlights ?

[La Frescobaldi]

Can you confirm if you need Viagra when you watch Wilt highlights ?
LMAO where's that quote of Gladiator?

Juba: Can they hear you?
Maximus: Who?
Juba: Your family. In the afterlife.
Maximus: Oh yes.
Juba: What do you say to them?

Maximus: To my son - I tell him I will see him again soon. To keep his heels down while riding his horse. To my wife... that is not your business.

[Deuce Bigalow]

hey man don't call him a fossil!! lol

I watched Wilt from bleachers and on the tube for years, Helix and I ain't fossils.

We're just gettin' warmed up!!

edit: where's Jaspar at? That Buck man saw Wilt and Kareem duke it out in Minneapolis, he ain't no fossil either
How much of a choker was Wilt Chamberlain? We all know he was a confirmed choker, but just how much of a choker was he?

[La Frescobaldi]

How much of a choker was Wilt Chamberlain? We all know he was a confirmed choker, but just how much of a choker was he?
Never saw him choke. He had a couple off games in the playoffs, no question about that. But I don't remember him ever choking like LBJ for example, or Dirk in his earlier softy days. That said, I never saw his earlier scoring days, or don't remember em.... so I dunno about like '60 or '62. Russell, Heinsohn, Cousy and all those guys say no, absolutely not. Guess I'll take their word on it.

The worst of the trollage on Chamberlain is about the Sixers in '68.
But they lost player after player to injuries that playoffs. Nobody who was around back then thought Chamberlain choked that series. To show what that was like? It would be like Duncan being blamed for choking with Leonard out, Parker with a hamstring pull, Manu out with a broken arm, and Splitter hobbled.

Now Elgin Baylor is an entirely different story. Dude choked bbbbbbbad.... year in, year out.

I was a Knicks fan back then, Clyde & Willis & those guys.... but by no means impartial tho. Ask Helix or Jaspar. Maybe they saw a choke, I never did.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Never saw him choke. He had a couple off games in the playoffs, no question about that. But I don't remember him ever choking like LBJ for example, or Dirk in his earlier softy days. That said, I never saw his earlier scoring days, or don't remember em.... so I dunno about like '60 or '62. Russell, Heinsohn, Cousy and all those guys say no, absolutely not. Guess I'll take their word on it.

The worst of the trollage on Chamberlain is about the Sixers in '68.
But they lost player after player to injuries that playoffs. Nobody who was around back then thought Chamberlain choked that series. To show what that was like? It would be like Duncan being blamed for choking with Leonard out, Parker with a hamstring pull, Manu out with a broken arm, and Splitter hobbled.

Now Elgin Baylor is an entirely different story. Dude choked bbbbbbbad.... year in, year out.

I was a Knicks fan back then, Clyde & Willis & those guys.... but by no means impartial tho. Ask Helix or Jaspar. Maybe they saw a choke, I never did.
Hmm well how do you explain LA reporter saying Wilt did choke?

Or Rick Barry saying that himself and most players felt that Wilt was horrible in big games?

[CelticBaller]

hey man don't call him a fossil!! lol

I watched Wilt from bleachers and on the tube for years, Helix and I ain't fossils.

We're just gettin' warmed up!!

edit: where's Jaspar at? That Buck man saw Wilt and Kareem duke it out in Minneapolis, he ain't no fossil either
I didn't mean disrespect, helix fossil is a popular item in the Pokemon series, so i'm asking if the dude named himself after a fossil on purpose

[La Frescobaldi]

Hmm well how do you explain LA reporter saying Wilt did choke?

Or Rick Barry saying that himself and most players felt that Wilt was horrible in big games?

dude, rick barry said that stuff from the safety of the ABA. He was not in the League when he was talking all that. Everybody talked garbage about Barry because he talked from the safety of the sidelines. He wasn't saying it when he was getting beat like a carpet by the Sixers in the Finals.

Reporters were good and bad back then, same as now. Shameless Celtics writers were the worst but you'd see anything you wanted from anywheres. Still though. Best sports writers, as far as being able to capture the excitement of Johnny U in the Super Bowl or Ali/Frazier or Secretariat going after the Triple Crown...... were from '60s and '70s to me. Today's writers are 100% caught up in political correctness instead of showing the spirit of sports

[CavaliersFTW]

I didn't mean disrespect, helix fossil is a popular item in the Pokemon series, so i'm asking if the dude named himself after a fossil on purpose
Let's be real though, a Helix was a geometric shape long before it was ever a Pokemon character.

[La Frescobaldi]

I didn't mean disrespect, helix fossil is a popular item in the Pokemon series, so i'm asking if the dude named himself after a fossil on purpose
dang now i'm feeling old. Pokemon, huh?

lol

[CelticBaller]

Let's be real though, a Helix was a geometric shape long before it was ever a Pokemon character.
:lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

dude, rick barry said that stuff from the safety of the ABA. He was not in the League when he was talking all that. Everybody talked garbage about Barry because he talked from the safety of the sidelines. He wasn't saying it when he was getting beat like a carpet by the Sixers in the Finals.

Reporters were good and bad back then, same as now. Shameless Celtics writers were the worst but you'd see anything you wanted from anywheres. Still though. Best sports writers, as far as being able to capture the excitement of Johnny U in the Super Bowl or Ali/Frazier or Secretariat going after the Triple Crown...... were from '60s and '70s to me. Today's writers are 100% caught up in political correctness instead of showing the spirit of sports
According to Laz it was said by Doug Krikorian.

A former L.A. reporter Doug Krikorian, who covered the Lakers during Wilt's time there and who was a close personal friend of Wilt's, wrote the following:
http://www.concordmonitor.com/news/4391916-95/wiltchamberlain

Here was the quote I found from Roland Lazanby's book "Jerry West: The Life and Legend of a Basketball Icon"

People said that Wilt tended to choke; well he did. This is not revisionist history, this is reality.
http://books.google.com/books?id=R4CEXQCvI_cC&pg=PA277&lpg=PA277&dq=wilt+choke&source=bl&ots=c4uBIwocha&sig=N6qLjFGH1fUgN67e9frTi6AB7ew&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tCBaU96zOcGgyATH4IGoBA&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA

[La Frescobaldi]

According to Laz it was said by Doug Krikorian.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/news/4391916-95/wiltchamberlain

Here was the quote I found from Roland Lazanby's book "Jerry West: The Life and Legend of a Basketball Icon"

http://books.google.com/books?id=R4CEXQCvI_cC&pg=PA277&lpg=PA277&dq=wilt+choke&source=bl&ots=c4uBIwocha&sig=N6qLjFGH1fUgN67e9frTi6AB7ew&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tCBaU96zOcGgyATH4IGoBA&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA

yeah, I've read em. You can believe em, too, if you want, Mr. DB.
I don't.

[CavaliersFTW]

According to Laz it was said by Doug Krikorian.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/news/4391916-95/wiltchamberlain

Here was the quote I found from Roland Lazanby's book "Jerry West: The Life and Legend of a Basketball Icon"

http://books.google.com/books?id=R4CEXQCvI_cC&pg=PA277&lpg=PA277&dq=wilt+choke&source=bl&ots=c4uBIwocha&sig=N6qLjFGH1fUgN67e9frTi6AB7ew&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tCBaU96zOcGgyATH4IGoBA&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA
Deuce, your ONLY source for Wilt choking is essentially a Skip-Bayless... A writer :oldlol: give it up man.

Even Rick Barry doesn't believe that narrative he once tried to claim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSTt_TxoFVo

[oarabbus]

I didn't mean disrespect, helix fossil is a popular item in the Pokemon series, so i'm asking if the dude named himself after a fossil on purpose


:facepalm have you heard of the f*cking double helix structure

[Deuce Bigalow]

Deuce, your ONLY source for Wilt choking is essentially a Skip-Bayless... A writer :oldlol: give it up man.

Even Rick Barry doesn't believe that narrative he once tried to claim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSTt_TxoFVo
Stats also confirm it very clearly.

[Deuce Bigalow]

yeah, I've read em. You can believe em, too, if you want, Mr. DB.
I don't.
I looked at the stats and there is only one conclusion I can come to based on them, and the reporter's and Barry's views reflect the stats so I have to take their word for it.

[CavaliersFTW]

I looked at the stats and there is only one conclusion I can come to based on them, and the reporter's and Barry's views reflect the stats so I have to take their word for it.
If you believed Barry's views, you'd think Wilt was the GOAT and no other center let alone player is even "close" (Barry's own words).

[CelticBaller]

:facepalm have you heard of the f*cking double helix structure
Yes? does that mean i still can't say an old dude ironically named himself after a fossil?

What's up with these new posters and their brick heads :oldlol:

[Jameerthefear]

thread invaded by decrepit fvcks

[Deuce Bigalow]

@Cavs Barry was clear that he was talking about not only himself, but how most players felt at the time. Even if he doesn't believe it anymore himself, it doesn't change what he thought most other players felt. Plus you can't really take what older players say today seriously anymore. Some of the stuff I read older players say are pretty crazy. Taking what they have said during the time they actually played and when the events are current is the most accurate.

[CavaliersFTW]

@Cavs Barry was clear that he was talking about not only himself, but how most players felt at the time. Even if he doesn't believe it anymore himself, it doesn't change what he thought most other players felt. Plus you can't really take what older players say today seriously anymore. Some of the stuff I read older players say are pretty crazy. Taking what they have said during the time they actually played and when the events are current is the most accurate.
As pointed out, Barry said those things from the sidelines of the ABA. He wasn't even watching Wilt, nor surrounded by the players who were watching and playing with/against Wilt. He was a part of the rival league at the time. Thus, he retracted his statements shortly thereafter and said quite clearly "I was wrong".

[Deuce Bigalow]

If you believed Barry's views, you'd think Wilt was the GOAT and no other center let alone player is even "close" (Barry's own words).
I believe in Barry's views when they were said during the time when the events were current and fresh in his mind and he was free from trying to sound politically correct or afraid to hurt someones feelings.

[Deuce Bigalow]

As pointed out, Barry said those things from the sidelines of the ABA. He wasn't even watching Wilt, nor surrounded by the players who were watching and playing with/against Wilt. He was a part of the rival league at the time. Thus, he retracted his statements shortly thereafter and said quite clearly "I was wrong".
Barry first played in the NBA from 1965-1967 before going to the ABA so he was around Wilt.

[CavaliersFTW]

Barry first played in the NBA from 1965-1967 before going to the ABA so he was around Wilt.
Yes, he was beaten by Wilt in the Finals.

[CavaliersFTW]

I believe in Barry's views when they were said during the time when the events were current and fresh in his mind and he was free from trying to sound politically correct or afraid to hurt someones feelings.
So, when he apologized and said Wilt was the greatest center ever in 1975 you should believe that. After all, everything was still fresh in his mind.

[oarabbus]

Yes? does that mean i still can't say an old dude ironically named himself after a fossil?

What's up with these new posters and their brick heads :oldlol:


:roll: yeah it makes more sense that an old guy would name himself after something from Pokemon :oldlol:

[CelticBaller]

:roll: yeah it makes more sense that an old guy would name himself after something from Pokemon :oldlol:
define irony

[Psileas]

Seems like blaming Wilt was a typical schtick of this Krikorian guy. Quoted from http://www.gazettes.com/sports/feature-a-raconteur-in-repose-the-retirement-of-doug-krikorian/article_99db004c-daa2-11e2-9d21-0019bb2963f4.html:


In his 46 years as an acclaimed sportswriter, Doug Krikorian made a living out of keeping his readers guessing. Whether it was an acerbic column in the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner, ripping Wilt Chamberlain for an off-night with the Lakers, or a bit on his popular drive-time radio sports talk shoe with Joe McDonnell...

[La Frescobaldi]

I looked at the stats and there is only one conclusion I can come to based on them, and the reporter's and Barry's views reflect the stats so I have to take their word for it.

WOW was watching the playoffs it's the hot time of the year!!
anyhow...........
Bob McAdoo says otherwise:
http://thestartingfive.net/2010/05/04/the-starting-five-bob-mcadoo-interview-do-not-forget-about-the-doo/

MT: Need to get a discussion going just for the sake of history. Speaking with Sonny Hill and John Chaney, they both say Wilt is the GOAT.

BM: You can’t argue with them. His stats don’t tell you otherwise. The guy averaged 50 points a game, 30 rebounds, 10 block shots…averaged triple doubles. Had 100 points in a game.
I don’t care what these young players say that the talent wasn’t just as good. I don’t agree with them. When you have to play against Bill Russell 8 to 10 times a year, what are you talking about?

Wilt had to play an All Star center almost every game. I had the opportunity to see him play when I was young and was able to play against him my rookie year. He was everything that people say… Like you say, only the old timers know about Wilt.
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Wali Jones says otherwise.......
S.C: You played with some of the greatest players in NBA history and have been around the game for a long time. Is Wilt the best player of all time?

WJ: In history. In the history of basketball, how could you question that? As an individual, he’s the greatest basketball player ever to put on sneaks.

I’m honored because I’ve played with some great centers: Walt Bellamy, Bob Lanier, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Moses Malone, Darryl Dawkins, and Darrall Imhoff. Then you talk about Archie Clark, Hal Greer and Oscar Robertson. I’ve played with some of the greatest guards in the history of basketball.
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Rick Barry, as you saw from Cavs....... says otherwise. Jerry West says otherwise.
Larry Bird:
When the topic of all-time greatest player was once raised, a fellow named Larry Bird didn't hesitate. "Let me tell you something," Bird said. "For a while, they were saying that I was the greatest. And before me, it was Magic who was the greatest. And then it's Michael's turn. But open up the record book and it will be obvious who the greatest is."

http://static.espn.go.com/nba/columns/lawrence_mitch/110858.html
Walt Frazier gets asked the question all the time. "Who's the greatest NBA player of all time? "I always ask, what's the criteria?" said Frazier, the former Knicks star. "If you're talking about winning, it's Bill Russell. If you're talking about versatility, it's the Big O. If you're talking about Superman, it's Wilt Chamberlain. What he did was almost comical."

Connie Hawkins: http://www.nba.com/suns/news/wilt_memories.html
"It's really ironic. I think about it and I don't think people realize just how great he really was. You hear guys talking about Michael Jordan and all these folks, but they really refuse to accept the fact that when you look at the record books, he has some records that will never be broken. He played like 13 or 14 years and never fouled out of a basketball game. He scored 100 points in one game. One year, he played, I think it was 54 minutes a game. He didn't sit down the whole time. He played the whole year. One year, he had like 55 rebounds in a game. Each year, he did something that was phenomenal, and I don't think anybody can ever top that.

Bill Russell stood on the court at the Top 50 ceremony in 1996 and told the reporters there, that Wilt Chamberlain was the greatest basketball player of all time. You can say Bill was being kind to a friend, or he was using some bragging rights, or something else. But if you do, you clearly never watched Bill Russell because at least in public, that man is absolutely not like that. He was as coldly, bluntly realistic as any player I ever saw.

Spenser Haywood:
LeBron made headlines when he came out with his Mount Rushmore list. And now everybody is asking everybody else for their opinion. Who’s on your Mount Rushmore?
SH: I would go with Kareem. And you got to have Wilt there. And then I would go with two of the younger guys. I would go with LeBron and Michael.
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But, you know, you can find other players who will say the sky is green, or go look up a quote from Matty Guokas who says Wilt was selfish because he wouldn't pass to Mattie (Guokas was a freaking scrub).

Believe em if you want to, Mr. DB. I watched hoops in those days. Chamberlain was the real deal, one of the 3 greatest players I've ever seen, with Jabbar & Jordan.
Nobody else is in that little circle to me.

[DonDadda59]

F*ck LeHairline, the Wilt App would've been tight.

Update Alert:


Wilt Chamberlain @TheBigDipper
Just killed mountain lion w/ bare hands. Planning 3rd 3some of the day. Playoffs right around the corner, scared shitless #NumbasBoutToDropOff #NoHeimlich

[CelticBaller]

F*ck LeHairline, the Wilt App would've been tight.

Update Alert:


Wilt Chamberlain @TheBigDipper
Just killed mountain lion w/ bare hands. Planning 3rd 3some of the day. Playoffs right around the corner, scared shitless #NumbasBoutToDropOff #NoHeimlich
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Helix]

Never saw him choke. He had a couple off games in the playoffs, no question about that. But I don't remember him ever choking like LBJ for example, or Dirk in his earlier softy days. That said, I never saw his earlier scoring days, or don't remember em.... so I dunno about like '60 or '62. Russell, Heinsohn, Cousy and all those guys say no, absolutely not. Guess I'll take their word on it.

The worst of the trollage on Chamberlain is about the Sixers in '68.
But they lost player after player to injuries that playoffs. Nobody who was around back then thought Chamberlain choked that series. To show what that was like? It would be like Duncan being blamed for choking with Leonard out, Parker with a hamstring pull, Manu out with a broken arm, and Splitter hobbled.

Now Elgin Baylor is an entirely different story. Dude choked bbbbbbbad.... year in, year out.

I was a Knicks fan back then, Clyde & Willis & those guys.... but by no means impartial tho. Ask Helix or Jaspar. Maybe they saw a choke, I never did.


No Fresc, I've never seen Wilt as a choker.....not by a long shot. These nitwits that dissect Wilt the way they do love to point out any negative they can find.....they're nothing more than trolls and I pay very little attention to them. Why don't they dissect other "greats" the way they do with Wilt? ANY player dissected the way Wilt is would have negatives, too.....just like Wilt. So I suppose they are all chokers, too? I'm speaking of players such as Bird, Jordan, Jabbar, etc., etc.

As you say '68 is the worst of the trollage on Wilt, and you and Laz have covered that extensively in the past, so I won't bother. Wilt gets a lot of criticism for '69, too, which I think is totally uncalled for. The Lakers should have easily won that series.....they didn't, and the bulk of the blame can be laid at the feet of Butch VBK, not Wilt. Wilt was still the most dominant force in the NBA and you don't shackle that force and limit its effectiveness. That's EXACTLY what VBK did, and it's really not debatable.

[LAZERUSS]

No Fresc, I've never seen Wilt as a choker.....not by a long shot. These nitwits that dissect Wilt the way they do love to point out any negative they can find.....they're nothing more than trolls and I pay very little attention to them. Why don't they dissect other "greats" the way they do with Wilt? ANY player dissected the way Wilt is would have negatives, too.....just like Wilt. So I suppose they are all chokers, too? I'm speaking of players such as Bird, Jordan, Jabbar, etc., etc.

As you say '68 is the worst of the trollage on Wilt, and you and Laz have covered that extensively in the past, so I won't bother. Wilt gets a lot of criticism for '69, too, which I think is totally uncalled for. The Lakers should have easily won that series.....they didn't, and the bulk of the blame can be laid at the feet of Butch VBK, not Wilt. Wilt was still the most dominant force in the NBA and you don't shackle that force and limit its effectiveness. That's EXACTLY what VBK did, and it's really not debatable.

Jordan had MULTIPLE post-season "choke jobs", including quitting on his Bulls in a series against the Pistons. And Bird and Kareem had FAR more meltdowns than Wilt had in their post-season careers. And the GOAT "choker", without question, was Kobe. Put him in a Finals, and he couldn't hit the ocean from a lifeboat. Put him in a BIG game in the Finals, and it was basically a blowout loss.

As for VBK...no question. He HATED Wilt from day one, and basically said as much. What is particularly interesting, though, was that he was replaced by Joe Mullaney, whose first order of business was to get the ball into Chamberlain. And Wilt's 69-70 season was on it's way to perhaps being his greatest all-around season of his career.

In the first nine games, Wilt was leading the league in scoring, at 32.2 ppg (West was next at 30.8 ppg), on a phenomenal .579 FG% (in a league that would shoot an eFG% of .460), as well as 20.0 rpg. The reality was, he was on pace to (again) lead the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and FG%...which would have been #8, #12, and #10 in his career.

And his scoring wasn't inflated by one or two big games, either. He posted games of 33, 35, 37 (on reigning MVP Wes Unseld), 38 (on 7-0 Tom Boerwinkle...a defensive beast), 42 (on Bob Rule...go ahead. look him up), and 43 points. Not only that, but he squared off against rookie Lew Alcindor (Kareem) in their only matchup before Wilt blew out his knee, and he just wiped the floor with Alcindor. He outscored him, 25-23; outrebounded him, 25-20; outassisted him, 5-2; outblocked him, 3-2 (including a skyhook); and outshot him from the field by a 9-14 to 9-21 margin.

Interesting too was the game in which Chamberlain injured his knee. Without contact, he blew it out with five minutes left in the third quarter, in a game in which he had already scored 33 points, on 13-14 shooting. He was clearly on pace for a 40+ point game, and likely a 50 pointer.

And even on a knee that had had major knee surgery just three months prior, Wilt had some huge playoff games. In the first round, it was WILT who led the Lakers back from a 3-1 series deficit with three straight monster games, including a close out game of 30-27-6 and 11 blocked shots...again...all on basically one leg.

And in the Finals, it was ONLY Wilt who played well the entire series for the Lakers. In the "must win" game six, Chamberlain single-handedly carried LA to a blowout win with a 45 point game, on 20-27 shooting, and with 27 rebounds. And in the game seven loss, Chamberlain was clearly the ONLY Laker to have played well (West was simply awful, and was the primary defender on Walt Frazier, who just exploded in that game.) For the series, Wilt put up the only 20-20 .600 Finals in NBA history (23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, and on a .625 eFG%.)

[Psileas]

WOW was watching the playoffs it's the hot time of the year!!
anyhow...........
Bob McAdoo says otherwise:
http://thestartingfive.net/2010/05/04/the-starting-five-bob-mcadoo-interview-do-not-forget-about-the-doo/

MT: Need to get a discussion going just for the sake of history. Speaking with Sonny Hill and John Chaney, they both say Wilt is the GOAT.

BM: You can’t argue with them. His stats don’t tell you otherwise. The guy averaged 50 points a game, 30 rebounds, 10 block shots…averaged triple doubles. Had 100 points in a game.
I don’t care what these young players say that the talent wasn’t just as good. I don’t agree with them. When you have to play against Bill Russell 8 to 10 times a year, what are you talking about?

Wilt had to play an All Star center almost every game. I had the opportunity to see him play when I was young and was able to play against him my rookie year. He was everything that people say… Like you say, only the old timers know about Wilt.
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Wali Jones says otherwise.......
S.C: You played with some of the greatest players in NBA history and have been around the game for a long time. Is Wilt the best player of all time?

WJ: In history. In the history of basketball, how could you question that? As an individual, he’s the greatest basketball player ever to put on sneaks.

I’m honored because I’ve played with some great centers: Walt Bellamy, Bob Lanier, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Moses Malone, Darryl Dawkins, and Darrall Imhoff. Then you talk about Archie Clark, Hal Greer and Oscar Robertson. I’ve played with some of the greatest guards in the history of basketball.
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Rick Barry, as you saw from Cavs....... says otherwise. Jerry West says otherwise.
Larry Bird:
When the topic of all-time greatest player was once raised, a fellow named Larry Bird didn't hesitate. "Let me tell you something," Bird said. "For a while, they were saying that I was the greatest. And before me, it was Magic who was the greatest. And then it's Michael's turn. But open up the record book and it will be obvious who the greatest is."

http://static.espn.go.com/nba/columns/lawrence_mitch/110858.html
Walt Frazier gets asked the question all the time. "Who's the greatest NBA player of all time? "I always ask, what's the criteria?" said Frazier, the former Knicks star. "If you're talking about winning, it's Bill Russell. If you're talking about versatility, it's the Big O. If you're talking about Superman, it's Wilt Chamberlain. What he did was almost comical."

Connie Hawkins: http://www.nba.com/suns/news/wilt_memories.html
"It's really ironic. I think about it and I don't think people realize just how great he really was. You hear guys talking about Michael Jordan and all these folks, but they really refuse to accept the fact that when you look at the record books, he has some records that will never be broken. He played like 13 or 14 years and never fouled out of a basketball game. He scored 100 points in one game. One year, he played, I think it was 54 minutes a game. He didn't sit down the whole time. He played the whole year. One year, he had like 55 rebounds in a game. Each year, he did something that was phenomenal, and I don't think anybody can ever top that.

Bill Russell stood on the court at the Top 50 ceremony in 1996 and told the reporters there, that Wilt Chamberlain was the greatest basketball player of all time. You can say Bill was being kind to a friend, or he was using some bragging rights, or something else. But if you do, you clearly never watched Bill Russell because at least in public, that man is absolutely not like that. He was as coldly, bluntly realistic as any player I ever saw.

Spenser Haywood:
LeBron made headlines when he came out with his Mount Rushmore list. And now everybody is asking everybody else for their opinion. Who’s on your Mount Rushmore?
SH: I would go with Kareem. And you got to have Wilt there. And then I would go with two of the younger guys. I would go with LeBron and Michael.
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But, you know, you can find other players who will say the sky is green, or go look up a quote from Matty Guokas who says Wilt was selfish because he wouldn't pass to Mattie (Guokas was a freaking scrub).

Believe em if you want to, Mr. DB. I watched hoops in those days. Chamberlain was the real deal, one of the 3 greatest players I've ever seen, with Jabbar & Jordan.
Nobody else is in that little circle to me.

:applause:
For every 1 critical view of his peers, you'll find 10 praises. For every 1 person who watched him live and said Wilt wasn't at least a GOAT candidate (if not the GOAT), you'll find vastly more who would disagree. Actually, I've yet to meet a person who has watched Wilt live and belongs to the 1st category, but knowing that a few still believe the Earth is flat (or that it is 6,000 years old), I'll assume there have to exist a few.
Let hopeless trolls feed on them, thinking they'll rewrite history.



As you say '68 is the worst of the trollage on Wilt, and you and Laz have covered that extensively in the past, so I won't bother. Wilt gets a lot of criticism for '69, too, which I think is totally uncalled for. The Lakers should have easily won that series.....they didn't, and the bulk of the blame can be laid at the feet of Butch VBK, not Wilt. Wilt was still the most dominant force in the NBA and you don't shackle that force and limit its effectiveness. That's EXACTLY what VBK did, and it's really not debatable.

As I've already said some time ago, that case reminds me of Game 6 of the 1992 Finals, when the Bulls had fallen behind, then Phil Jackson benched Jordan and entered the second unit and the Bulls came back. Imagine Jackson telling him "well, we're playing better without you, so, you'll stay benched".

[Helix]

Believe em if you want to, Mr. DB. I watched hoops in those days. Chamberlain was the real deal, one of the 3 greatest players I've ever seen, with Jabbar & Jordan.
Nobody else is in that little circle to me.


I'd pretty much agree with this except I'd put Jabbar slightly below the other two, and I'd add Russell alongside Jabbar. Maybe I saw a little more of Russell than you did, I don't know. What I saw of him.....he was the real deal, too.

[Dr.J4ever]

Since we're talkin' age here and who saw whom, I'm really interested to know who in this board really saw 60s basketball besides Helix and Frescobaldi?

I will freely admit I only saw 80s basketball on real time.

[Helix]

Since we're talkin' age here and who saw whom, I'm really interested to know who in this board really saw 60s basketball besides Helix and Frescobaldi?

I will freely admit I only saw 80s basketball on real time.


Well, I know Laz did. He's about the same age as me. Other than the three of us, I don't know of anyone else.

[Dr.J4ever]

Well, I know Laz did. He's about the same age as me. Other than the three of us, I don't know of anyone else.

Interesting. We should come clean here. Establishing age gives a poster more or less credibility depending on what he likes to post. I'm a big believer in watching games in real time, and not stats or watching highlights.

For example, if you watched the Blazers/Houston series game 6, Aldridge had 30 points, while Howard had 22(I believe), but Howard to me had much more impact in that game than Aldridge, at least for game 6. I'm talking scoring impact. Howard dominated inside.

Watching trumps box scores any day, any time.

[LAZERUSS]

Interesting. We should come clean here. Establishing age gives a poster more or less credibility depending on what he likes to post. I'm a big believer in watching games in real time, and not stats or watching highlights.

For example, if you watched the Blazers/Houston series game 6, Aldridge had 30 points, while Howard had 22(I believe), but Howard to me had much more impact in that game than Aldridge, at least for game 6. I'm talking scoring impact. Howard dominated inside.

Watching trumps box scores any day, any time.

I saw a TON of Russell-Wilt games in my lifetime, and never ONCE did I come away thinking that Russell was the better player in ANY of them. Wilt did far more, and was clearly more dominant in ALL of them. Granted, I didn't see nearly all of their 143 H2H's, but there was no doubt in my mind who the greater player was.

[Dr.J4ever]

I saw a TON of Russell-Wilt games in my lifetime, and never ONCE did I come away thinking that Russell was the better player in ANY of them. Wilt did far more, and was clearly more dominant in ALL of them. Granted, I didn't see nearly all of their 143 H2H's, but there was no doubt in my mind who the greater player was.
Okay, I will take your word for it.

A few weeks ago when la frescobaldi challenged so of my ABA assertions, I gave way since he claimed to have seen much of it. I let him know that others who saw what he saw had different opinions than him, but I gave him the respect he deserved for having seen the ABA in person.

Would have given my left arm to have seen the doc in his Nets days.

[LAZERUSS]

Okay, I will take your word for it.

A few weeks ago when la frescobaldi challenged so of my ABA assertions, I gave way since he claimed to have seen much of it. I let him know that others who saw what he saw had different opinions than him, but I gave him the respect he deserved for having seen the ABA in person.

Would have given my left arm to have seen the doc in his Nets days.

Well, you know how I feel about the ABA-NBA in those years. The NBA had the best players, and by a huge margin. Hell, they even had the ABA's best players by around 1972, except for Gilmore, Dr. J, Issel, and Thompson (I won't include Gervin or Moses, since neither were close to their primes in the ABA.)

Having said that, however, an ABA Dr. J was at his peak. He would have been as great in the NBA in those years (well, he wouldn't have put up quite those numbers, but he would still have been an elite player.)

[Helix]

I saw a TON of Russell-Wilt games in my lifetime, and never ONCE did I come away thinking that Russell was the better player in ANY of them. Wilt did far more, and was clearly more dominant in ALL of them. Granted, I didn't see nearly all of their 143 H2H's, but there was no doubt in my mind who the greater player was.


As did I, and I would pretty much agree with you. I hate to say this because it might come across as me being arrogant, but unless you saw Wilt play full games in real time, you really can't understand fully just what a force he was. I'm speaking mainly of him until his knee injury.....he was never quite the same after that, although he was still a great player.

[Dr.J4ever]

Well, you know how I feel about the ABA-NBA in those years. The NBA had the best players, and by a huge margin. Hell, they even had the ABA's best players by around 1972, except for Gilmore, Dr. J, Issel, and Thompson (I won't include Gervin or Moses, since neither were close to their primes in the ABA.)

Having said that, however, an ABA Dr. J was at his peak. He would have been as great in the NBA in those years (well, he wouldn't have put up quite those numbers, but he would still have been an elite player.)

But I do remember you saying that towards the last couple of years before the merger, the ABA Champ could have beaten the NBA Champ, right?

If so, then isn't that like when the AFL defeated the NFL in the SB? The AFL was granted full equality with their stats. This is why I feel ABA stats should be merged with NBA stats once and for all. Maybe all ABA stats after 1970.

[Jameerthefear]

wtf. exactly how old are you guys?

[LAZERUSS]

But I do remember you saying that towards the last couple of years before the merger, the ABA Champ could have beaten the NBA Champ, right?

If so, then isn't that like when the AFL defeated the NFL in the SB? The AFL was granted full equality with their stats. This is why I feel ABA stats should be merged with NBA stats once and for all. Maybe all ABA stats after 1970.

I don't believe I ever said that the ABA champ could have beaten the NBA champ. At least not from '68 thru '74 (and likely not even in '75 or '76.)

The AFL finally caught up to the NFL by 1968. Their beatdowns in the first two SB's were indicative of the NFL's superiority from '60 thru '67. BTW, I have claimed that the real best team in the AFL in both '68 and '69 was Oakland. And, obviously, I believe they were the best team overall.

Still, I wouldn't include the AFL's stats, pre-merger, because overall, the league was far inferior to the NFL. Namath would not have thrown for 4007 yards in the NFL.

[Dr.J4ever]

I don't believe I ever said that the ABA champ could have beaten the NBA champ. At least not from '68 thru '74 (and likely not even in '75 or '76.)

The AFL finally caught up to the NFL by 1968. Their beatdowns in the first two SB's were indicative of the NFL's superiority from '60 thru '67. BTW, I have claimed that the real best team in the AFL in both '68 and '69 was Oakland. And, obviously, I believe they were the best team overall.

Still, I wouldn't include the AFL's stats, pre-merger, because overall, the league was far inferior to the NFL. Namath would not have thrown for 4007 yards in the NFL.
So Barry's Warriors would have beaten the ABA Champ? Kentucky I think with Gilmore? Or the Celtics who struggled vs an average Phoenix team would have beaten Doc's Nets? A Nets team that defeated Denver in 7 games. This is the same Denver team that almost had the best record in the merged Nba's 1st year? The same Denver team that lost to eventual champ Portland in 6 games?

[Helix]

I don't believe I ever said that the ABA champ could have beaten the NBA champ. At least not from '68 thru '74 (and likely not even in '75 or '76.)

The AFL finally caught up to the NFL by 1968. Their beatdowns in the first two SB's were indicative of the NFL's superiority from '60 thru '67. BTW, I have claimed that the real best team in the AFL in both '68 and '69 was Oakland. And, obviously, I believe they were the best team overall.

Still, I wouldn't include the AFL's stats, pre-merger, because overall, the league was far inferior to the NFL. Namath would not have thrown for 4007 yards in the NFL.


I would agree the Raiders were the best AFL team in '68 and '69, also in '67. I don't think the "beatdowns" in the first two Super Bowls were so much indicative of the overall superiority of the NFL, I think it was more indicative of just how damned good those Packer teams were. I've always seen the Lombardi Packers much the same way as I saw the Celtic dynasty.....mainly the products of two genius coaches.....Auerbach and Lombardi.

[Jameerthefear]

A great thread ruined by the local retirement home. SMH.

[ArbitraryWater]

F*ck LeHairline, the Wilt App would've been tight.

Update Alert:


Wilt Chamberlain @TheBigDipper
Just killed mountain lion w/ bare hands. Planning 3rd 3some of the day. Playoffs right around the corner, scared shitless #NumbasBoutToDropOff #NoHeimlich


:oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

I would agree the Raiders were the best AFL team in '68 and '69, also in '67. I don't think the "beatdowns" in the first two Super Bowls were so much indicative of the overall superiority of the NFL, I think it was more indicative of just how damned good those Packer teams were. I've always seen the Lombardi Packers much the same way as I saw the Celtic dynasty.....mainly the products of two genius coaches.....Auerbach and Lombardi.

Arguably the two greatest professional coach's in their repsective sports, of all-time.

I know this is a basketball forum, but Lombardi not only won five titles (including those two dominant SB wins), but he was eight yards away in the '60 title game, from winning six. And think about this... his '63 Packer team went 11-2-1, and didn't make the post-season (the Bears went 11-1-2, and went on to win the title.)

As for my selection as the greatest pure baskteball coach...Wooden, without any reservation. He won titles with guard-oriented teams. He won titles with forward-oriented teams. And he won titles with center-oriented teams. And he did so in an era in which freshmen could not play (or he likely would have won ten straight NC's from '64 thru '73), with no shot-clock, and no 3pt line to assist in comebacks. From '64 thru his last season in '75, he went 38-1 in the NCAA tourney, and the only loss was in double-OT (to a team that they had beaten 84-66 earlier in the year.) Not only that, but in that span, his teams were winning their NCAA tourney games by huge margins, and were seldom even challenged. And his Alcindor-led teams went 88-2 and won three straight NC,...and those two losses were by margins of 46-44 and 71-69. And they avenged that 71-69 loss with a 101-69 blowout win in the '68 semi's.

[LAZERUSS]

A great thread ruined by the local retirement home. SMH.

A "great thread?"

:facepalm

[ArbitraryWater]

A "great thread?"

:facepalm

Dude is one big trolling disrespectful bitch anime lover

[Straight_Ballin]

Besides Lazerrus and CavsFTW :oldlol:

Does anyone actually believe that you are a 15 year old and not some 30-40 year old pedo?

[Real14]

wtf. exactly how old are you guys?
how old are you?:biggums:

[mr.big35]

I believe that actually had slept with 20000 women

[absalom]

A great thread ruined by the local retirement home. SMH.

Go back to trolling, you are just derailing the thread.


I haven't seen those legends that you've mentioned. Might as well step back and listen to your stories. :cheers:

[La Frescobaldi]

Okay, I will take your word for it.

A few weeks ago when la frescobaldi challenged so of my ABA assertions, I gave way since he claimed to have seen much of it. I let him know that others who saw what he saw had different opinions than him, but I gave him the respect he deserved for having seen the ABA in person.

Would have given my left arm to have seen the doc in his Nets days.

Doc was freewheelin highflyin' in his young days utterly unstoppable fresh moves the man watched the Hawk closely and took some of the Connie greatest moves to an ethereal, oxygen free level where only they two could exist, where all others collapse because the air is so thin

Erving was purest form of thief. He stole ideas from everyone.. Baylor, West, Issel, Dampier... he stole from all of them. Havlicek had a patented running shot in transition. He would be racing down the court with a defender to the inside, stride for stride. Hondo would launch himself forward at the weirdest off-foot times, at a 45 degree angle, and just as he would come to the end of the parabola and start down to earth he would let fly. Completely unguardable. Julius watched that like a scholar and developed a similar shot that he used for awhile when he first went over to the Sixers.

But the Doctor had an entire repertoire of moves that we had never seen before... even Pearl had not done some of those. They were so smoothly polished it seemed like he HAD to have practiced them by the hour but as you watched him over seasons you found out he was inventing them as he went along.
Purest levels of invention like a Beethoven or a Louie Armstrong, breaking all boundaries of every thing that had come before, tilting the landscape into strange new shapes so that nobody ever saw things the same way again

[Dr.J4ever]

Doc was freewheelin highflyin' in his young days utterly unstoppable fresh moves the man watched the Hawk closely and took some of the Connie greatest moves to an ethereal, oxygen free level where only they two could exist, where all others collapse because the air is so thin

Erving was purest form of thief. He stole ideas from everyone.. Baylor, West, Issel, Dampier... he stole from all of them. Havlicek had a patented running shot in transition. He would be racing down the court with a defender to the inside, stride for stride. Hondo would launch himself forward at the weirdest off-foot times, at a 45 degree angle, and just as he would come to the end of the parabola and start down to earth he would let fly. Completely unguardable. Julius watched that like a scholar and developed a similar shot that he used for awhile when he first went over to the Sixers.

But the Doctor had an entire repertoire of moves that we had never seen before... even Pearl had not done some of those. They were so smoothly polished it seemed like he HAD to have practiced them by the hour but as you watched him over seasons you found out he was inventing them as he went along.
Purest levels of invention like a Beethoven or a Louie Armstrong, breaking all boundaries of every thing that had come before, tilting the landscape into strange new shapes so that nobody ever saw things the same way again
Thanks for the accolades to the Doctor. Julius truly changed the game of basketball, and led the way to a modern style of basketball still seen today.

Some of the old ABA guys say the ABA actually won the ABA/NBA war because the game as it is played today reflects more heavily on the ABA game that any pre-merger style of basketball played in the NBA.

The 3 point shooting, spread offenses, and exciting, athletic finishers at the rim is a reflection of the ABA and it's style. The ABA lives in today's NBA, and the man most responsible for this is Julius Erving.

[La Frescobaldi]

Thanks for the accolades to the Doctor. Julius truly changed the game of basketball, and led the way to a modern style of basketball still seen today.

Some of the old ABA guys say the ABA actually won the ABA/NBA war because the game as it is played today reflects more heavily on the ABA game that any pre-merger style of basketball played in the NBA.

The 3 point shooting, spread offenses, and exciting, athletic finishers at the rim is a reflection of the ABA and it's style. The ABA lives in today's NBA, and the man most responsible for this is Julius Erving.

I wouldn't disagree that the League looks like the ABA.

But it was the forgotten Larry O'Brien, quite probably the greatest of the League's commissioners, who was the real force of change.

Dude gets saddled with a lot of crap from people who know nothing of the '70s NBA.
But he strode through the era like a freaking Titan, changing rules... ushering in modern contracts.... bringing the ABA league into the NBA... taking the best of both and discarding the crap (tho imo he failed by not bringing the red white and blue ball along with the league)... helping to bring stats back to some semblance of human possibility after Chamberlain retired.... introducing the NBA to a national audience... bringing attention to the downfalls of drugs and publicly fighting them instead of totally hiding that whole shambles as many owners wanted him to do... showering attention on and creating the Bird/Magic rivalry.... knowing in his inner self that Magic's way of playing basketball, which meant carrying and palming and all the things that Earl Monroe and Connie Hawkins and Archie Clark and yeah, the Doc too, could not do.... was the best way to play ball. He helped destroy skills rules, so that players could do things like the cross-over... the whole exciting hoops game of today is because O'Brian made it happen.

Most people don't even know what the NBA was like before David Stern. Like the OP with his loutish attack on Chamberlain, they don't know anything about those days because they don't/can't read, and they weren't even born yet. Stern was a great help to O'Brien, with enormous marketing skills. But he has been a pygmy of a commissioner, a doltish, stenchful money grubber who tailored the NBA in his own testosterone-free, wimpish, selfish image and destroyed the physicality of the League instead of slithering back to his limp slime pool when Jordan retired. When history has laid its hand upon the times long gone by and rendered judgement, Stern will be doomed to crawl in the shadow of O'Brien.

[20Four]

lolno. i was 13 when this account was approved. i turn 16 in a little less than two weeks
LOL fvcking young'n trying to talk all hard online...lmao....just stfu and go outside....why are you wasting your teen years on a computer? Do you have friends? :( I actually feel bad for you...your on here 24/7 when your supposed to be going out and having fun as a 16 year old....but nope you are stuck on the computer 24/7 :biggums: :hammerhead: