Today's Lebron is just as good as '93 Jordan

[iamgine]

Both at 29 years old at that point. Lebron is just as good as Jordan. We are basically watching someone as dominant as Michael Jordan tearing up the league.

Agree or disagree?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

disagree.
hes better

[sportjames23]

No. Just, no.

[Im Still Ballin]

agree. this ain't no watered down expansion league

[sportjames23]

disagree.
I'm a fakkit doe

Fix'd, bitch

[sportjames23]

disagree. this is a weak era

Co-sign. :cheers:

[sd3035]

about as good as wizard's mj

[Cold soul]

Strongly disagree.

[Kingwillball]

They are dominant in different ways. Jordan a more ruthless scorer and bigger killer instinct. Lebron does it in a variety ways but when he is locked in attacking he is unstoppable.

[Im Still Ballin]

c0ck-signed. I love a big thick juicy one! :cheers:

:biggums:

[Akrazotile]

Agree.


Some people may disagree and just think Jordan was better.

Some people just refuse to acknowledge the possibility because they want to preserve Jordan as some kind of mythical player with superhuman qualities.

Some are jealous because MJ and Lebron are both >>>>>>> Kobe


Everybody got their reasons.

[GODbe]

Idk about overall basketball ability, they're both extremely overrated and not in my top 10. I'd say MJ has the slight edge over Lebron in terms of being overrated though.

[Uncle Drew]

Lol. Lol. No. Just no. No.

[Im Still Ballin]

Idk about overall basketball ability, they're both extremely overrated and not in my top 10. I'd say MJ has the slight edge over Lebron in terms of being overrated though.

http://fashionmr.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/142_kobe-bryant-style-icon.jpg

[fiddy]

op take your meds

[Kvnzhangyay]

Agree.


Some people may disagree and just think Jordan was better.

Some people just refuse to acknowledge the possibility because they want to preserve Jordan as some kind of mythical player with superhuman qualities.

Some are jealous because MJ and Lebron are both >>>>>>> Kobe


Everybody got their reasons.

Truth :rockon:

[TheGreatDeraj]

No Jordan much better scorer and defender

Jordan>Kobe>Lebron

[20Four]

Agree.


Some people may disagree and just think Jordan was better.

Some people just refuse to acknowledge the possibility because they want to preserve Jordan as some kind of mythical player with superhuman qualities.

Some are jealous because MJ and Lebron are both >>>>>>> Kobe


Everybody got their reasons.

Dumbass mother fvcker...you bringing up kobe just shows you kobe is better than lebron....sorry you n|**er but your wrong....just go hang yourself please....die...nobody cares for you....

[TheMarkMadsen]

33/7/6/3

33/7/6/3

33/7/6/3

:roll: :roll:

[zoom17]

No Jordan much better scorer and defender

Jordan>Lebron>>>>>>>>>Kobe

:cheers:

[Kvnzhangyay]

33/7/6/3

33/7/6/3

33/7/6/3

:roll: :roll:

now adjust for pace

[20Four]

:cheers:
How many idiots on are these boards? Fvck...wish yall just die frealz... :banghead:

[Milbuck]

Did you watch Lebron at all this season? There is no way he's better than '93 Jordan.

[Akrazotile]

Dumbass mother fvcker...you bringing up kobe just shows you kobe is better than lebron....sorry you n|**er but your wrong....just go hang yourself please....die...nobody cares for you....


Repped since there's no negs, and reported.

[strifed169]

Were watching MJ the SF version, LBJ is hitting the same signature shots MJ usually did in the post, making everything look easy

[Milbuck]

Dumbass mother fvcker...you bringing up kobe just shows you kobe is better than lebron....sorry you n|**er but your wrong....just go hang yourself please....die...nobody cares for you....
You are without a doubt the creepiest ****er on this board.

[Bless Mathews]

Op

How old were you in 93??

[Collie]

'93 MJ was perhaps the most underrated MJ season. To me, it was probably his best year in terms the balance between the skillset of 2nd three peat and athleticism of 1st threepeat MJ. The guy averaged 40+ ppg in the finals. He averaged 33/7/6/3 STEALS in the RS. This year's Lebron isn't even the best he's ever been.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

No.



He is better.

[livinglegend]

Jordan played in a weak era when the 2nd best perimeter player of that time was in his own team. He had no competition. He had the most stacked team by far and refs in his pocked. OVERRATED!

[SamuraiSWISH]

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/pUVrv6QslOs.zu0N5xBQdg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/MJ1993NYK505050.jpg

[iamgine]

'93 MJ was perhaps the most underrated MJ season. To me, it was probably his best year in terms the balance between the skillset of 2nd three peat and athleticism of 1st threepeat MJ. The guy averaged 40+ ppg in the finals. He averaged 33/7/6/3 STEALS in the RS. This year's Lebron isn't even the best he's ever been.
That's the same case with Lebron.

Lebron also average roughly the same in the RS. A bit Less points but much much higher efficiency.

Regarding the finals, don't forget MJ played 46 MPG in a higher pace and it's against Phoenix. They score a lot but allowed a lot of points (kinda like Nash's Phoenix).

[riseagainst]

That's the same case with Lebron.

Lebron also average roughly the same in the RS. A bit Less points but much much higher efficiency.

Regarding the finals, don't forget MJ played 46 MPG in a higher pace and it's against Phoenix. They score a lot but allowed a lot of points (kinda like Nash's Phoenix).

5.5 ppg in a 82 game season = "a bit less points".

:roll:

[CelticBaller]

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/pUVrv6QslOs.zu0N5xBQdg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnbaexperts/MJ1993NYK505050.jpg
what a chucker

[Kvnzhangyay]

5.5 ppg in a 82 game season = "a bit less points".

:roll:

The NBA also has a considerably lower pace now

[iamgine]

5.5 ppg in a 82 game season = "a bit less points".

:roll:
It is when you factor in pace and minutes.

[hitmanyr2k]

Lebron's own fans criticize how weak-minded he is and how he abandons his jumper. They get exasperated with his tendencies to be unaggressive. Defensively he's been sub-par all season as well. How can anyone say he's even close to Jordan? It's just a weak era.

[DonDadda59]

now adjust for pace

:coleman:

'93 Bulls Pace: 92.5 (last in the league)

'14 Heat Pace: 91.2 (27th/30)


Jordan played in a weak era when the 2nd best perimeter player of that time was in his own team. He had no competition. He had the most stacked team by far and refs in his pocked. OVERRATED!

:coleman:

Pippen put up 17/7/6 on 47% FG, he was far from the 2nd best perimeter player in the league. And this era is FAR weaker than the early 90s NBA, especially when it comes to perimeter play. As for having the refs in his 'pocked':

Bron FTr in '14: .432
MJ FTr in '93: .284

http://tragicjohnsonblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/jay-z.png

[oh the horror]

Jordan played in a weak era when the 2nd best perimeter player of that time was in his own team. He had no competition. He had the most stacked team by far and refs in his pocked. OVERRATED!



And yet we are all watching the same historically lame eastern conference playoffs where it's so bad the league is literally considering changing the playoff format to make it interesting.


Okay.



Look, you dudes here can keep posting nonsense and rewritting the narrative to suit whatever BS you happen to be kicking this week or next week but this has been entirely underwhelming. Especially this year. It's been downright awful.



If the 90s were a weak era then surely this season is right there for the eastern conference.

[plowking]

And yet we are all watching the same historically lame eastern conference playoffs where it's so bad the league is literally considering changing the playoff format to make it interesting.


Okay.



Look, you dudes here can keep posting nonsense and rewritting the narrative to suit whatever BS you happen to be kicking this week or next week but this has been entirely underwhelming. Especially this year. It's been downright awful.



If the 90s were a weak era then surely this season is right there for the eastern conference.

You say this, but act like the East in Jordan's era wasn't responsible for 30 win teams making playoffs. :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

:coleman:

'93 Bulls Pace: 92.5 (last in the league)

'14 Heat Pace: 91.2 (27th/30)



:coleman:

Pippen put up 17/7/6 on 47% FG, he was far from the 2nd best perimeter player in the league. And this era is FAR weaker than the early 90s NBA, especially when it comes to perimeter play. As for having the refs in his 'pocked':

Bron FTr in '14: .432
MJ FTr in '93: .284

http://tragicjohnsonblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/jay-z.png
:biggums:

ETHER

[Warfan]

Scottie was far from the 2nd best perimeter play in the 90s :biggums:

Id love to hear all the names that make him far from the 2nd best perimeter player when the Bulls were winning chips and when jordan 1st retired

[crawdaddy4ou]

OP must be young because no it isn't even close.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

only delusional people would still deny lebron being as good as jordan:oldlol: :oldlol:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Not saying it ain't close but no, not really.. People overreact way too much though :lol

[knicksman]

LOL.. Hes not even better than kobe come playoffs time(as evidence by adjusted +/-) and you compare him to Jordan. Hes more of a robertson that needed superstar teammates to bail him out in the playoffs.

[D.J.]

If LeBron can average 41 a game in the Finals, then you may be onto something. Unless that happens, hell no.

[Cold soul]

LOL.. Hes not even better than kobe come playoffs time(as evidence by adjusted +/-) and you compare him to Jordan. Hes more of a robertson that needed superstar teammates to bail him out in the playoffs.

I always felt Lebron was faster, stronger, more athletic version of Oscar Robertson.

[knicksman]

I always felt Lebron was faster, stronger, more athletic version of Oscar Robertson.

yup..Thats why he still impacts the game. If not for his athleticism, he would be considered a cancer along with the marburys, AI, harden, arenas.

[Angel Face]

:coleman:

'93 Bulls Pace: 92.5 (last in the league)

'14 Heat Pace: 91.2 (27th/30)



:coleman:

Pippen put up 17/7/6 on 47% FG, he was far from the 2nd best perimeter player in the league. And this era is FAR weaker than the early 90s NBA, especially when it comes to perimeter play. As for having the refs in his 'pocked':

Bron FTr in '14: .432
MJ FTr in '93: .284

http://tragicjohnsonblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/jay-z.png

Strong Ether!

RIP Lebron fan, you will not be missed

[iamgine]

In regular season, adjusted for minutes and pace, it's a difference of 3-4 ppg.

However, Lebron has a much much better efficiency to more than make up for it.

[Leroy Jetson]

Not even close.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

he is better

[Bless Mathews]

These kids on here are hilarious.

Mj woulda have gotten 10 more possessions alone on today's sissy "flagrant foul" calls.

GTFO.

Nba is softer than baby poop today. It's a joke.

Kids on here are comedy.

Jordan > anyone , ever.

Period.

[TheCorporation]

http://fashionmr.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/142_kobe-bryant-style-icon.jpg

:lol

[Kvnzhangyay]

These kids on here are hilarious.

Mj woulda have gotten 10 more possessions alone on today's sissy "flagrant foul" calls.

GTFO.

Nba is softer than baby poop today. It's a joke.

Kids on here are comedy.

Jordan > anyone , ever.

Period.

And your proof is?

The fact you said "ever" just made you lose all credibility lmfao

[Prometheus]

Today's LeBron is one of the greatest basketball players to ever live, and is not as good as '93 Jordan.

[sportjames23]

he is better

At choking? Yes, I agree.

[Bandito]

Lebron played in a weak era when the 2nd best perimeter player of that time was in his own team. He had no competition. He had the most stacked team by far and refs in his pocked. OVERRATED!
Fixed.

[Collie]

Fixed.

:applause:

[GimmeThat]

Of course he is.

I don't even think Lebron is running at full speed right now.
Jordan's killer instinct meant that he only knew one speed. Which was to train wreck those in his ways.

Just think that Lebron is the most efficient player on the Heat, and he isn't even using up most of the possession. And history has proven that his efficieny doesn't diminish that much even when his usage/possession goes up.

He's probably just haunted by the nightmare from the Cavs days where he realized that you can't win alone. If Lebron turns into another mode and trust his teammates will make the championship type plays and just decides to destroy his opponent.


I don't think anyone can disprove the argument that the current Lebron isn't just as skilled as '93 Jordan (not that I even watched the '93 Jordan, but dude is scarily efficient) then lets toss in the his physicality.

[Odinn]

That overreaction.

People need to learn how to not getting carried away with recent memory. Otherwise, we have to go through with these kinda nonsense, idiotic and f.cked up things.

[BlackVVaves]

LoL, LeBron isn't as dominant on the defensive end, on a consistent enough basis, like Jordan was pre-first retirement. And no, his ability to masterfully facilitate doesn't fully compensate for that disparity.

Especially if you are talking about this particular year? I haven't seen LeBron that lackadaisical on defensive effort since 2008. So yeah, think again OP.

[Hakeem>Duncan]

Both at 29 years old at that point. Lebron is just as good as Jordan. We are basically watching someone as dominant as Michael Jordan tearing up the league.

Agree or disagree?

disagree ...............he never as dominant as jordan ever did :no:

[Hakeem>Duncan]

Jordan played in a weak era when the 2nd best perimeter player of that time was in his own team. He had no competition. He had the most stacked team by far and refs in his pocked. OVERRATED!
no,lebron plays in a much weaker era without 1 quaily center,dwight howard is a joke,he is not even top center in 90s :banana:

[davehos]

Both at 29 years old at that point. Lebron is just as good as Jordan. We are basically watching someone as dominant as Michael Jordan tearing up the league.

Agree or disagree?

Trolls will be trolls.

We won't even look at overall stats because LeBron barely scratches the surface of Jordan's accomplishments even though Lebron has been in the playoffs now for 142 games and Jordan only recorded 179.

So ... AVERAGES .. for the playoffs ...


Rk Player From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 LeBron James 2006 2014 142 142 6111 8.0 17.0 .474 1.2 3.7 .323 6.9 13.3 .516 6.2 8.3 .750 1.3 5.9 7.2 5.6 1.4 0.8 2.9 1.9 23.5
2 Michael Jordan* 1985 1998 179 179 7474 10.5 21.7 .487 0.7 2.1 .332 9.8 19.5 .504 7.0 8.5 .828 1.5 4.1 5.5 4.9 1.8 0.8 2.6 2.6 28.8

The numbers don't lie. LeBron is approaching total # of games played in playoffs and still is inferior in terms of accomplishments and impact. This on top of the fact James came out from high school giving him more "prime years" in the league.

[Hakeem>Duncan]

lebron's defence is about 10 times worse than 93's jordan,always get beat by off the dribble,can't stay in front man,his man defence is average at best :banana:

[ImKobe]

93 MJ blows 2014 Lebron out of the water by statistic measures + MJ led his team to a better record(didn't coast) and had one of the GOAT Finals series by numbers (41 ppg 9 rpg 6 apg on 51% shooting and 40% from 3?), and I didn't even get to the defensive part...lettuce be real

[BlackVVaves]

lebron's defence is about 10 times worse than 93's jordan,always get beat by off the dribble,can't stay in front man,his man defence is average at best :banana:

No. He's not average. But, Jordan was dominant on defense at one point, just elite in his perimeter defense. The man averaged 2 blocks and 3 steals per game for a season on more than one occasion. Won a scoring title and DPOY in the same year.

Think about that for a ****ing second. He was the best offensive player and best defensive player in the same ****ing season.

Then the very next season came and gave you 32 PPG, while averaging 8 rebounds and 8 assists.

LoL. You kids really need to hop off twitter and go watch some actual footage. One dude in this thread admits he never watched 93 Jordan, but thinks he's gathered adequate information to make the assertion that 2014 Bron is better :oldlol:

[GimmeThat]

why can't people just accept the fact that Shaq is the most dominant player to have played the game.

[GimmeThat]

LoL. You kids really need to hop off twitter and go watch some actual footage. One dude in this thread admits he never watched 93 Jordan, but thinks he's gathered adequate information to make the assertion that 2014 Bron is better :oldlol:

So, Jordan wasn't hugged enough as a basketball player, or a child.

And?

[GimmeThat]

If Lebron can't win a ring this year, I'll eat my words
and admit that he will NEVER be as good as Jordan.

And if he does, he's about half way to the average "basketball" fans expectation. And like, just took some baby steps from meeting his potential in terms of ring counts.

[Overdrive]

'93 Drexler maybe.

[aj1987]

Fixed.
You do realize that you just said '11, '12, and '13 Wade >>> Kobe, right? I know you're trying to be a troll, but you just said that Kobe won his rings in a weak era and that Wade is/was better than Kobe.



The man averaged 2 blocks and 3 steals per game for a season on more than one occasion.
:biggums:

He NEVER did that.

[Hakeem>Duncan]

You do realize that you just said '11, '12, and '13 Wade >>> Kobe, right? I know you're trying to be a troll, but you just said that Kobe won his rings in a weak era and that Wade is/was better than Kobe.



:biggums:

He NEVER did that.

lebrn never avg,32ppg,8 rebs,8 asts,3 stls per game in any season :banana:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

You do realize that you just said '11, '12, and '13 Wade >>> Kobe, right? I know you're trying to be a troll, but you just said that Kobe won his rings in a weak era and that Wade is/was better than Kobe.



:biggums:

He NEVER did that.
these jordan fans making up stats to prop up there mystical idol:oldlol: :oldlol:
MEanwhile LeGOd:
http://i60.tinypic.com/123lg9d.gif
:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Dragonyeuw]

agree. this ain't no watered down expansion league

Exactly. The Eastern conference is better than ever.............................................. ....................................

[Hakeem>Duncan]

these jordan fans making up stats to prop up there mystical idol:oldlol: :oldlol:
MEanwhile LeGOd:
http://i60.tinypic.com/123lg9d.gif
:bowdown: :bowdown:

nothing special................:confusedshrug:

lebron's dunk never impress me like jordan did :no:

[Hakeem>Duncan]

Exactly. The Eastern conference is better than ever.............................................. ....................................

better than ever :roll:

[aj1987]

lebrn never avg,32ppg,8 rebs,8 asts,3 stls per game in any season :banana:
And?

[StephHamann]

just no

[Warfan]

Trolls will be trolls.

We won't even look at overall stats because LeBron barely scratches the surface of Jordan's accomplishments even though Lebron has been in the playoffs now for 142 games and Jordan only recorded 179.

So ... AVERAGES .. for the playoffs ...


Rk Player From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 LeBron James 2006 2014 142 142 6111 8.0 17.0 .474 1.2 3.7 .323 6.9 13.3 .516 6.2 8.3 .750 1.3 5.9 7.2 5.6 1.4 0.8 2.9 1.9 23.5
2 Michael Jordan* 1985 1998 179 179 7474 10.5 21.7 .487 0.7 2.1 .332 9.8 19.5 .504 7.0 8.5 .828 1.5 4.1 5.5 4.9 1.8 0.8 2.6 2.6 28.8

The numbers don't lie. LeBron is approaching total # of games played in playoffs and still is inferior in terms of accomplishments and impact. This on top of the fact James came out from high school giving him more "prime years" in the league.


Where the hell are u getting those numbers? They are way off. Ok just realized they're per 36, but Lebron has only played 1 extra minute per game in the playoffs.


Lebron playoffs - 28.1/8.6/6.7 on 47.4/32.5/75

Jordan playoffs - 33.4/6.4/5.7 on 48.7/33.2/82.8


This year? No. His defense hasnt been good enough at all and offensively he hasnt been as good as 93' Jordan. But from what i saw in the playoffs so far he has been playing great defense and i expect it to stay at the level for the rest of the postseason. Also he seems to be more refined offensively than ever (post game in particular and has improved off the ball)

If you're talking about the last 2 years for Lebron, he isnt as good but was definitely close to 93' Jordan.

[Hakeem>Duncan]

And?

he will never as gd as jordan :banana:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron so far these playoffs
39 MPG: 30PG,8RPG,6APG,2,5 STL per game on 56735/80 and he wasnt even trying so far:bowdown: :bowdown:
lets see if he can keep it up:applause: :applause:

[Hakeem>Duncan]

lebron's defence is overrated as usual,he never lock down anyone,can't stay in front his man,his defence is nothing more than blocking shots,that's all :rockon:

[davehos]

Where the hell are u getting those numbers? They are way off. Ok just realized they're per 36, but Lebron has only played 1 extra minute per game in the playoffs.


Lebron playoffs - 28.1/8.6/6.7 on 47.4/32.5/75

Jordan playoffs - 33.4/6.4/5.7 on 48.7/33.2/82.8


This year? No. His defense hasnt been good enough at all and offensively he hasnt been as good as 93' Jordan. But from what i saw in the playoffs so far he has been playing great defense and i expect it to stay at the level for the rest of the postseason. Also he seems to be more refined offensively than ever (post game in particular and has improved off the ball)

If you're talking about the last 2 years for Lebron, he isnt as good but was definitely close to 93' Jordan.

I posted the wrong stat line? Too many scotch and sodas.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=jordami01&y1=2003&p2=jamesle01&y2=2014

Here are the totals ... it's not even close .. I don't know what people are smoking these days but it must be better than what I had. LeBron has only played 37 fewer playoff games than Jordan but look at the stat differentials. LeBron may edge him out on assists and turnovers ... time will tell.


Rk Player From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 LeBron James 2006 2014 142 142 6111 1366 2881 .474 202 625 .323 1164 2256 .516 1057 1409 .750 223 1000 1223 948 245 128 493 323 3991
2 Michael Jordan* 1985 1998 179 179 7474 2188 4497 .487 148 446 .332 2040 4051 .504 1463 1766 .828 305 847 1152 1022 376 158 546 541 5987

[Dragonyeuw]

better than ever :roll:

Hopefully you saw the sarcasm in that....

[Warfan]

I posted the wrong stat line? Too many scotch and sodas.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=jordami01&y1=2003&p2=jamesle01&y2=2014

Here are the totals ... it's not even close .. I don't know what people are smoking these days but it must be better than what I had. LeBron has only played 37 fewer playoff games than Jordan but look at the stat differentials. LeBron may edge him out on assists and turnovers ... time will tell.


Rk Player From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1 LeBron James 2006 2014 142 142 6111 1366 2881 .474 202 625 .323 1164 2256 .516 1057 1409 .750 223 1000 1223 948 245 128 493 323 3991
2 Michael Jordan* 1985 1998 179 179 7474 2188 4497 .487 148 446 .332 2040 4051 .504 1463 1766 .828 305 847 1152 1022 376 158 546 541 5987

Yeah im pretty sure it was just the per 36 minutes stats. Jordan has definitely been the better playoff performer (greatest ever PO performer IMO), but Lebron is still very good himself. He averages more boards and assists than MJ, but im not gonna argue that he's the better player or is just as good as Mj, because he just isnt.

[Yankstar]

Fix'd, bitch


:applause:

Mouth to busy around LBJ's c**k.

Jordan >> Lebron :bowdown: :bowdown:

[davehos]

but Lebron is still very good himself

Oh, no doubt. Just challenging the subject line is all ....

"Re: Today's Lebron is just as good as '93 Jordan"

.... I may be too drunk to realize that today doesn't mean "playoffs" because this has been such a great playoff year so far.

[Odinn]

In regular season, adjusted for minutes and pace, it's a difference of 3-4 ppg.

However, Lebron has a much much better efficiency to more than make up for it.
Yeah. LeBron is afraid to take shot that can ruin his precious efficiency.

http://i.hizliresim.com/glo2EN.jpg
Dat efficiency from the mid-range. 1 field goal made per game from the mid-range.:applause: 83/227 = 0.3656

No wonder why LeBron's effiency drops in the playoffs where it gets tougher to penetrate and he relies more on his mid-range game.


Start posting with using your brain. Or I will keep disproving your idiotic arguments.

[lilgodfather1]

Sad thing is I don't think lebron has hit his peak. If he would spend more time in the post it would be over. Nearly a guaranteed bucket when guarded by a 3, when guarded by a 4, nearly a guaranteed blow by. He refuses to though, which is unfortunate.

[Hakeem>Duncan]

Hopefully you saw the sarcasm in that....
weaker than ever

[Hakeem>Duncan]

Sad thing is I don't think lebron has hit his peak. If he would spend more time in the post it would be over. Nearly a guaranteed bucket when guarded by a 3, when guarded by a 4, nearly a guaranteed blow by. He refuses to though, which is unfortunate.

because no hand check :no:

[aj1987]

he will never as gd as jordan :banana:
What does that have to do with Jordan not averaging 2 blocks and 3 steals "multiple" times?

[iamgine]

Yeah. LeBron is afraid to take shot that can ruin his precious efficiency.

http://i.hizliresim.com/glo2EN.jpg
Dat efficiency from the mid-range. 1 field goal made per game from the mid-range.:applause: 83/227 = 0.3656

No wonder why LeBron's effiency drops in the playoffs where it gets tougher to penetrate and he relies more on his mid-range game.


Start posting with using your brain. Or I will keep disproving your idiotic arguments.
How is that disproving anything? :confusedshrug:

Just because MJ doesn't take 3s often, should I say he's afraid to ruin his precious efficiency?

[Jlamb47]

MJ > LEBRON at age 29

MJ has a killer instinct that Lebron dosnt, he just takes over

[Marlo_Stanfield]

MJ > LEBRON at age 29

MJ has a killer instinct that Lebron dosnt, he just takes over
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[ILLsmak]

Jordan played in a weak era when the 2nd best perimeter player of that time was in his own team. He had no competition. He had the most stacked team by far and refs in his pocked. OVERRATED!

This is kind of funny in an ironic way. I won't tell why! It's up to you to figure it out.

-Smak

[lilgodfather1]

because no hand check :no:
Yes his other worldly basketball skills, and athletecism has nothing to do with it, I know that.

[Hakeem>Duncan]

Yes his other worldly basketball skills, and athletecism has nothing to do with it, I know that.

weak center in this era

[Hakeem>Duncan]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

did jordan ever choke like lebron did at 2011:confusedshrug:

[nathanjizzle]

wtf, the ship has already sailed for lebron being as good as jordan. dumb kids.

[Dro]

wtf, the ship has already sailed for lebron being as good as jordan. dumb kids.
This..............

[16X]

HELL NO. This isn't even Bran's best year. Bran's huge body makes him like the Shaq of SFs, and he still can't compare to the skinny, shorter MJ. Bran is a beast, but MJ was above God level.

Bran went from unclutch, to actually being pretty good in the clutch now, but not nearly MJ level. Come on now. MJ could get to the rim at will for a layup or dunk just like Bran, and he also had a more reliable jumper, and was the better post up player. And before anyone says I'm underrating Bran because Kobe's my favourite player, Bran > Kobe.

[Calabis]

I'm a Jordan guy, and in terms of impact on a game LeBron is the closest I have seen. As far as LeBron being as good as 93 Jordan...lol no. Kobe peak was 2nd 3peat Jordan level, Lebron is somewhere between first/second three-peat Jordan levels and the 2nd best player I have seen in my lifetime.

And to the young morons like Marlo it amazes me how u and ur band of misfits ignored Dadda's post....facts making the soul burn slow

[Marlo_Stanfield]

did jordan ever choke like lebron did at 2011:confusedshrug:
yes he did. and not just once:lol :lol
Jordan at one point lost 16 games in a row vs the Celtics
http://cdn.niketalk.com/2/2f/350x700px-LL-2ff5111e_michael-jordan-laughing.gif

[JUDGE WITNESS]

At choking? Yes, I agree.
not better than you tho

[pegasus]

:lol :lol :lol

Diaw is closer to Lebron than Lebron is to Jordan.

[f0und]

strongly disagree

peak jordan rarely had mental lapses. the only time i recall it happening during the title years was back in '95 against orlando in the EC semis. when jordan had his brain farts down the stretch of an important playoff game, EVERYONE was shocked because that was something we just never saw from jordan, or at least something we havent seen in a very long time, before he started winning his titles.

today if lebron disappears, has mental lapses, gets shook, shrinks in big moments, etc., no one would be surprised.

[Hakeem>Duncan]

yes he did. and not just once:lol :lol
Jordan at one point lost 16 games in a row vs the Celtics
http://cdn.niketalk.com/2/2f/350x700px-LL-2ff5111e_michael-jordan-laughing.gif

he still get his points,unlike lebron barely scores 20 pts and a non factor :banana:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Disagree. He's not as good.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan's career playoff numbers through age 30 (his first retirement): 34.8 pts/6.7 reb/6.7 ast/2.3 stl/1.1 blk/51% FG.

Dead the noise.

[OldSchoolBBall]

now adjust for pace

They played at virtually the same pace (92 for Chicago and 91 for Miami).

[TheMan]

agree. this ain't no watered down expansion league
This guy :oldlol:

Dat LEastern Conference doe :oldlol:

[sdot_thadon]

If this is a direct comparison of Lebron's 2014 season to Mj's 1993 season, then no not really. Last season would have made a much better conversation. But this season with him blatantly coasting through a huge part of the regular season and not looking too interested in playing D in most matchups? Nah. Had he played with the intensity of last season however he may have posted a season better than 93 Mj.....IF

[pauk]

Agree, different games in doing so but yep...

[TheMan]

You guys ever notice that these threads that try to argue LBJ as being equal or better than Jordan are ALWAYS exclusively started by Bran stans? And it's always the same dozen or so posters (alts?) being refuted by other posters who are Jordan fans and even by those who aren't Jordan fans necessarily but they have seen Jordan's and LeBron's career and they always conclude MJ > LeBron. What I'm saying is that there is an obvious pattern. The LeBron stan is almost always too young to have seen prime peak Jordan, but they go around anouncing that LBJ > MJ, even when RS and PS stats say otherwise :facepalm

Then they resort to other shit like calling MJ's era weak. Really? Have these youngsters seen the shit that passes for playoffs teams in the EC the last few years? Ain't nothing to brag about. Y'all got no leg to stand on calling other eras "weak". :oldlol:

Just to finish up, these threads always turn into goofy back and forths between the minority Bran stans and the majority of Jordan fans or non fans calling BS to their LBJ > MJ claims.

Serious talk, LBJ is an absolute beast,best player in the world today and the last 4-5 years, but he isn't on MJ's level yet. Can he get there? Let's just sit back and watch. We'll know for sure the next few years but as of right now, no...just stop.:no:

[AirFederer]

He's excellent but not at mike's level still

[riseagainst]

Jordan's career playoff numbers through age 30 (his first retirement): 34.8 pts/6.7 reb/6.7 ast/2.3 stl/1.1 blk/51% FG.

Dead the noise.

35-7-7 wow...

[TheMan]

35-7-7 wow...
In b4 typical Bran stan "weak era" argument :rolleyes:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LEBron not on mikes level??:yaohappy: :yaohappy: :yaohappy:

[TheMan]

LEBron not on mikes level??:yaohappy: :yaohappy: :yaohappy:
Da people have spoken :applause:

[Solefade]

Lebron may not be as good but he's definitely in the vicinity

[Hakeem>Duncan]

LEBron not on mikes level??:yaohappy: :yaohappy: :yaohappy:

did lebron ever win dpoy ??????? :lebroncry: :lebroncry:

[Prometheus]

Jordan was more impactful on offense and defense. He was more intimidating, and much better at securing a psychological edge against his opponents. He was less turnover-prone, a more reliable shooter, and a more intense competitor. He didn't average as many assists, but his passing was comparable to LeBron's.

LeBron is one of the best players of all time, but he's just simply not as good as Michael Jordan was at the game of basketball.

I don't know why you guys feel the need to make this bullshit argument, to be honest. I'm a huge LeBron fan, and there has never been a time when I didn't root for him. He's been the best player alive for several years now, and is an absolutely dominant player. But Jordan was Jordan. There's no shame in it... just let it go.

[aj1987]

Diaw is closer to Lebron than Lebron is to Jordan.
:oldlol:

Seriously though. Why do you always hate on LeBron? You're a skinny ass white dude from the suburbs, and your account is dedicated to hating a dude who doesn't even give a shit about. Pretty sad.

[diamenz]

i watch bron play and it's mostly just meh... every once in awhile i'll be like damn - nice move, or that was a damn good basketball play.

jordan was a human highlight reel from his aesthetics to his mind games. when he was playing, you just knew something amazing was about to be witnessed.

[Real14]

http://cdn.business2community.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/michael-jordan-lol.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

33/7/6/3

33/7/6/3

33/7/6/3

:roll: :roll:

Whats that? Durant?

[Straight_Ballin]

about as good as wizard's mj

A wizard's MJ was the only player on the roster in his last season of 2002-2003 that played in all 82 games. How's that for durability?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Clutchbron JAmes>Michael Chokedan:applause: :applause:

[Straight_Ballin]

:oldlol:

Seriously though. Why do you always hate on LeBron? You're a skinny ass white dude from the suburbs, and your account is dedicated to hating a dude who doesn't even give a shit about. Pretty sad.

People tend to hate on bitch made foolz like bron that quit on their organization and joined a superstar squad. This hatred is shared by all races in all demographics. Not just white boys in the burbs.

[livinglegend]

I take Lebron just like the guy that knew Jordan s game best and that played the most with Jordan:applause:

[diamenz]

I take Lebron just like the guy that knew Jordan s game best and that played the most with Jordan:applause:

says the guy who applauses himself.:banghead:

[Straight_Ballin]

Honestly no one that's seen at least 30 years of basketball gives a shit about a league who's best SG is Harding. Much less how much worse today's Lebron is compared to Wizard's Jordan. And no, it's not nostalgia or whatever lame ass excuse some teen is making. If the game was good now, everyone would admit that it was good. Why wouldn't we? It's here and now so there's no reason to say the 90's would be better if that was truly the case. The only fans saying the league is good are kids with no frame of reference. They no nothing else so of course they are going to attribute the 90's being better as some type of "nostalgia."

Stop with the jealousy of not having been able to witness the greatest era of basketball.

It wasn't in your control. IT'S OK, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT! lol

What we have is a league of floppers where a pubic bearded no defense playing tard is considered the best SG in the league.

A soft ass league where tooth pick superstars go to the FT line 20+ times a game for ticky tack fouls.

A league who's fan base more focused on Sterling that enjoying the playoffs.

Yep, that's where amazing happens alright. :facepalm

[livinglegend]

says the guy who applauses himself.:banghead:

I d rather applause myself than hurting myself by hitting my head on the wall.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Pace Factor
1993 Finals: 89.7
2013 Finals: 88.1

For anyone who thinks Jordan couldn't annihilate this era, lol @ you. Pace factor is such a weak argument anyway. Players like Karl Malone were still dropping 26 at 37 in a slower NBA. Jordan was still averaging 23 a game at 39. You really think taking the air out of the ball is going to stop these guys at their peak?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Honestly no one that's seen at least 30 years of basketball gives a shit about a league who's best SG is Harding. Much less how much worse today's Lebron is compared to Wizard's Jordan. And no, it's not nostalgia or whatever lame ass excuse some teen is making. If the game was good now, everyone would admit that it was good. Why wouldn't we? It's here and now so there's no reason to say the 90's would be better if that was truly the case. The only fans saying the league is good are kids with no frame of reference. They no nothing else so of course they are going to attribute the 90's being better as some type of "nostalgia."

Stop with the jealousy of not having been able to witness the greatest era of basketball.

It wasn't in your control. IT'S OK, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT! lol

What we have is a league of floppers where a pubic bearded no defense playing tard is considered the best SG in the league.

A soft ass league where tooth pick superstars go to the FT line 20+ times a game for ticky tack fouls.

A league who's fan base more focused on Sterling that enjoying the playoffs.

Yep, that's where amazing happens alright. :facepalm
LeBrona s an ovrall player has more impact on the game than Jordan
get madd oldtimer:banana: :banana:

[Straight_Ballin]

LeBrona s an ovrall player has more impact on the game than Jordan
get madd oldtimer:banana: :banana:

Your boy came into the league wearing no 23 like a beta admiring his alpha roll model.

http://mavsmag.com/redirk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/258027_522846740410_162900200_30684324_6201276_o-500x373.jpg

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Your boy came into the league wearing no 23 like a beta admiring his alpha roll model.

http://mavsmag.com/redirk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/258027_522846740410_162900200_30684324_6201276_o-500x373.jpg
:applause:

[TheMagicMan]

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2e5t6c1.jpg

[DonDadda59]

Pace Factor
1993 Finals: 89.7
2013 Finals: 88.1

For anyone who thinks Jordan couldn't annihilate this era, lol @ you. Pace factor is such a weak argument anyway. Players like Karl Malone were still dropping 26 at 37 in a slower NBA. Jordan was still averaging 23 a game at 39. You really think taking the air out of the ball is going to stop these guys at their peak?

Yeah, the 'adjusted for pace' crowd was crushed a long time ago. Logically, slower pace helps older players, especially those with actual skill (ie, Jordan, Malone, etc as you pointed out).

In fact, when MJ came back to lead the Bulls to a record 72 wins, the league-wide pace was 91.8 (compared to 93.9 this past season). The slowest and second slowest all time pace (lockout seasons excluded) were 96-97 (90.1) and 97-98 (90.3). I don't have to tell anyone here what a 33-35 year old Jordan did during that stretch :pimp:

[diamenz]

I d rather applause myself than hurting myself by hitting my head on the wall.

F-

[Roundball_Rock]

On the Pippen question, look at all-NBA 1st team selections as one metric for that period (1991-1998). Jordan is excluded from this list because he is not germane since the question is who the second best perimeter player was. Magic also is excluded since he only played 1 full season during this period.

Pippen 3
Stockton 2
P. Hardaway 2
Drexler 1
Mullin 1
Price 1
Sprewell 1
T. Hardaway 1
Hill 1

Keep in mind Karl Malone had a lock on one of the forward all-NBA first team spots for all of this period.

Pippen averaged 21/9/8 in the Finals that year btw.

Here is what SI had to say at the time about Pippen's role in the 93' ECF:


June 14, 1993
Eye Of The Storm
A versatile star led the Bulls to a 4-2 elimination of the Knicks, and he wasn't named Jordan
Jack McCallum

[QUOTE]It was not surprising that Jordan was able to pick up Pippen, of course; such acts are part of Superman's daily agenda. But it was intriguing to see Pippen step into the temporary vacuums left by the sometimes physically exhausted and mentally overburdened Jordan (page 13). For the first time in Chicago's three successive marches into the NBA Finals, in fact, a Bull other than Jordan would have deserved to be named MVP in a playoff series, were such an honor awarded for a series other than the Finals.

The spotlight will inevitably be trained on Jordan and his superstar counterpart, Charles Barkley of the Phoenix Suns, in the 1993 NBA Finals, which began in Phoenix on Wednesday. But if Jordan's shaky shooting continues

[TheMan]

LeBran stans angry MJ set the standard so high :oldlol:

Stay mad fakkits :pimp: