I dont Want to be a Troll.

[robert_shaww]

Tim Duncan Playoffs per 36

2005: 19,8
2006: 18,6
2007: 19,9
2008: 18,8
2009: 18,7
2010: 16.8
2011: 13,4
2012: 14,8
2013: 17,4
2014: 19,4

Average: 17.7

Manu Ginobli Playoffs per 36

2005: 23.3
2006: 21.2
2007: 20.9
2008: 20.5
2009: (injured)
2010: 20.8
2011: 21.8
2012: 19.6
2013: 17.5
2014: 25.3

Average: 21.2

- Duncan has more rebounds and blocks, Ginobili more asissts and steals.
- Duncan

[Dro]

Impact>>>>>>Stats...I'm sure someone else will break it down because I don't really feel like it...

[navy]

Impact>>>>>>Stats...I'm sure someone else will break it down because I don't really feel like it...
While this is true, nobody can deny that Ginobli has had a huge impact on the Spurs as well.

[robert_shaww]

Impact>>>>>>Stats...I'm sure someone else will break it down because I don't really feel like it...

Impact: Biased, Abstract, Subjective and personal.

Stats: objective, nonpartisan, unprejudiced and equitable.


by the way..... Ginobili = Impact

[robert_shaww]

While this is true, nobody can deny that Ginobli has had a huge impact on the Spurs as well.

:applause: Thanks.

[dr.hee]

Dont get me wrong here: DUNCAN IS THE BETTER PLAYER AND THE MOST IMPORTANT SPUR EVER. BUT THE SPURS WOULD HAVE WON ALL RINGS WITH ANY AVERAGE PF FROM THOSE DAYS (Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudamire, Dirk Nowitzki, etc...)

http://i.imgur.com/1ZHOU6J.gif

[Thorn]

lol @ thinking the Spurs would've won with Amare replacing Tim

[dr.hee]

lol @ thinking the Spurs would've won with Amare replacing Tim

...Rasheed Wallace :roll:

OP is a dumbass

[SuperCereal]

3/10

[YouGotServed]

Impact: Biased, Abstract, Subjective and personal.

Stats: objective, nonpartisan, unprejudiced and equitable.


by the way..... Ginobili = Impact

Somewhat true.

Example: While Dwight beats Marc Gasol in almost every category both offensively and defensively, some still argue Marc is the better player simply because of 'impact'. :oldlol:

[robert_shaww]

...Rasheed Wallace :roll:

OP is a dumbass

Have you watched the 2005 playoffs?

Ginobili was the best player (by far) in round 1 vs Denver, round 2 vs Sonics and the Finals vs Pistons.

(in the WCF vs Suns, Stoudemire had 41,37, 34, 31 and 42. :bowdown: (Duncan defending him)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NBA_Playoffs

[robert_shaww]

...Rasheed Wallace :roll:

OP is a dumbass

WCF: SPURS VS SUNS. (DUNCAN VS AMARE)

AMARE: 41, 37, 34, 31 AND 42
:rolleyes:

[MrC1991]

:facepalm

[dr.hee]

Have you watched the 2005 playoffs?

Ginobili was the best player (by far) in round 1 vs Denver, round 2 vs Sonics and the Finals vs Pistons.

(in the WCF vs Suns, Stoudemire had 41,37, 34, 31 and 42. :bowdown: (Duncan defending him)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_NBA_Playoffs

1) Amare was no "average PF from those days". That's just utter bullshit. You've even called KG and Dirk "average"...so why should I take anything of your crap seriously?

2) Rasheed Wallace is a different person than Amare Stoudemire. Do you realize that? Why are you quoting one of my posts about Sheed to show me stats of Amare?

http://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/russell.gif

[Milbuck]

You've gotta be kidding me.

This guy seriously believes that Tim Duncan's impact is "biased, abstract, subjective and personal" :roll:

[robert_shaww]

Everybody knows Horry and Manu bailed him out in 05'.

not only in the finals, also in round 1 and 2.

[BoutPractice]

Ginobili is indeed underrated, but like (I assume) most people, I stopped reading there:


BUT THE SPURS WOULD HAVE WON ALL RINGS WITH ANY AVERAGE PF FROM THOSE DAYS (Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudamire, Dirk Nowitzki, etc...)

(Love, by the way, how Dirk and KG are suddenly "average" PFs and lumped in with Amar'e, but that's another topic)

Incidentally for next time, when you start a thread with the words "I don't want to be a troll", whatever it is you're about to say is probably not worth it.

[Connor B]

This has already been said probably but how can you not mention defense at all?

[Leroy Jetson]

Incidentally for next time, when you start a thread with the words "I don't want to be a troll", whatever it is you're about to say is probably not worth it.

Couldn't agree more. Kinda like people who start a sentence "I'm not a racist, but.."And then proceed to say some racist shit.

[robert_shaww]

Ginobili is indeed underrated, but like (I assume) most people, I stopped reading there:



(Love, by the way, how Dirk and KG are suddenly "average" PFs and lumped in with Amar'e, but that's another topic)

Incidentally for next time, when you start a thread with the words "I don't want to be a troll", whatever it is you're about to say is probably not worth it.

Im not talking about a 1 shot saver here (you have Horry if you want, but he played great in game 5 2005, not only the big shot at the end of OT) im talking about complete games. about carrying the team.
Every superstar need help or a big shot from a teammate, but Duncan needed much more.

Spurs lost game 1 with denver at home, in pivotal game 3 at denver, Manu saved the game and duncan struggled as hell http://www.nba.com/games/20050430/SASDEN/recap.html
Losing that game could be the series for them (imagine jordan depending on pippen scoring 35 pts to save a series)

Round 2, vs Seattle, game 5, series 2-2, critical game: manu with 39 pts. http://www.nba.com/games/20050517/SEASAS/recap.html

Round 3, vs Suns: no recap needed. Amare with the series of his life, DESTROYED duncan (every game with 35, 41, 42, 37, etc...)

And then the finals, game 1, 2, 6 and 7 manu beasting. Game 5, all horry (not only the big shot).

you need more?

[iamgine]

Tim Duncan Playoffs per 36

2005: 19,8
2006: 18,6
2007: 19,9
2008: 18,8
2009: 18,7
2010: 16.8
2011: 13,4
2012: 14,8
2013: 17,4
2014: 19,4


Is that scoring? Cause I think it's higher than that.

[pastis]

interesting thread:applause: :applause:

i also think that in clutch siuations, clutch-time, crunchtime it was all on parker, ginobili, etc pp.

duncan still is an all-time great, but in my opinion a little overrated, because carried by best coach ever and ginobili, parker for many many years.

i also think, that you could replace duncan with some PFs without hurting the spurs that much

nevertheless: duncan still better than clownbe on the all-time-list

[robert_shaww]

interesting thread:applause: :applause:

i also think that the clutch siuations, clutch-time, crunchtime it was all on parker, ginobili, etc pp.

duncan still is an all-time great, but in my opinion a little overrated, because carried by best coach ever and ginobili, parker for many many years.

i also think, that you could replace duncan with some PFs without hurting the spurs much

could you imagine jordan depending on Pippen scoring 30+pts so many times in the playoffs (lots of games 3, 4 or 5 on the road...even at home sometimes).

by the way, he wasnt the MVP in 2007 FINALS.

And his numbers from 2009 to 2014....:facepalm

Duncan is something like 20

[robert_shaww]

Is that scoring? Cause I think it's higher than that.

scoring per 36.

Its amazing how lucky duncan is, struggling so much in that 2005 vs amare in the WCF and even in the finals at times, and still wins the chip. So much help, so much veterans smart guys like Barry, Manu, Bowen or Horry...and Tony Parker...so deep and stacked teams.

[pastis]

[QUOTE=robert_shaww]could you imagine jordan depending on Pippen scoring 30+pts so many times in the playoffs (lots of games 3, 4 or 5 on the road...even at home sometimes).

by the way, he wasnt the MVP in 2007 FINALS.

And his numbers from 2009 to 2014....:facepalm

Duncan is something like 20

[robert_shaww]

:applause: :applause: thought in the usa you're going to jail for blaming TD:lol :lol

i don't know where i would put him on the all-time list, but one thing is clear: always stacked teams, best coach ever, and in ginobili and parker everytime someone he can relied on. and this is something what spurs/duncan fans completely underestimated. 2005 and 2007 for me duncan was just not that kind of thrill and factor his fans are pretending

:bowdown:

[robert_shaww]

If Duncan is top 5 as many claim here, then manu is top 30 and parker top 50.

[Leroy Jetson]

[QUOTE=robert_shaww]could you imagine jordan depending on Pippen scoring 30+pts so many times in the playoffs (lots of games 3, 4 or 5 on the road...even at home sometimes).

by the way, he wasnt the MVP in 2007 FINALS.

And his numbers from 2009 to 2014....:facepalm

Duncan is something like 20

[dr.hee]

ANY AVERAGE PF FROM THOSE DAYS (Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudamire, Dirk Nowitzki, etc...)



Average PFs according to OP...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6jH9SC-VXro/UO7kyuf-hVI/AAAAAAAAAdw/15dVG16oRDI/s1600/kg.jpg

http://www.abendblatt.de/img/sport/crop113913194/9378724901-ci3x2l-w620/Jahreswechsel-Dallas-Mavericks.jpg


We should take him seriously, he's clearly not trolling :lol

[robert_shaww]

Please enlighten us then, I want to see a list of 19 players better than Duncan all time. I mean 2 MVPs 3 FMVPs ROY 4 rings, it does seem pretty average. :facepalm

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Olajuwon
Oneal
Bryant
Lebron James
Abdul Jabbar
Russell
Chamberlain
Robertson
Jerry West

Those 12 100% sure.



Moses Malone
Julius Erving
Charles Barkley
Elgin Baylor
Karl Malone
John Stockton
Scottie Pippen

Those 7 are in a similar ranking all time.


Debatable but probably lower:

Petit
Havlicek
Mikan
Isaiah Thomas
Cousy

Lower, but close

Dirk
Garnett
Wade
Cousy
Drexler
Barry

[BlackVVaves]

Calling KG, Dirk, and mid 2000s Amare average PFs gets you a first class seat on Ra-tard Airlines.

[iamgine]

scoring per 36.

Yeah per 36 scoring is higher than that.

[jcf5445]

Yeah per 36 scoring is higher than that.

Yeah, the stats listed aren't even close to being right. Obvious Troll thread.

[ralph_i_el]

Impact: Biased, Abstract, Subjective and personal.

Stats: objective, nonpartisan, unprejudiced and equitable.


by the way..... Ginobili = Impact

If that's your opinion on basketball then you are hopeless and should just watch baseball. I am not joking.

If you aren't purposefully trolling, then you probably want to just stop posting for about a year. If you are trolling you should just kill yourself

[Dro]

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Olajuwon
Oneal
Bryant
Lebron James
Abdul Jabbar
Russell
Chamberlain
Robertson
Jerry West

Those 12 100% sure.



Moses Malone
Julius Erving
Charles Barkley
Elgin Baylor
Karl Malone
John Stockton
Scottie Pippen

Those 7 are in a similar ranking all time.


Debatable but probably lower:

Petit
Havlicek
Mikan
Isaiah Thomas
Cousy

Lower, but close

Dirk
Garnett
Wade
Cousy
Drexler
Barry
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
This is possibly the worst list of all-time on this forum...:oldlol:

[robert_shaww]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
This is possibly the worst list of all-time on this forum...:oldlol:

thats not an all time list, just players better than duncan.

[Mr. Jabbar]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Dro]

thats not an all time list, just players better than duncan.
I understand that, and its horrible...You're sitting here telling us that John Stockton and Clyde Drexler are better than Tim Duncan and we're supposed to take you serious?
:lol

[Demitri98]

Obvious agenda is obvious

[Threethrows]

Yes lets ignore defense and using scoring as a way to measure Duncan's level as a player.

[robert_shaww]

I understand that, and its horrible...You're sitting here telling us that John Stockton and Clyde Drexler are better than Tim Duncan and we're supposed to take you serious?
:lol

i didnt say they are better, they are close...but not better.

PD: stockton is debatable.

[robert_shaww]

Yes lets ignore defense and using scoring as a way to measure Duncan's level as a player.

2005 WCF Spurs vs Suns. (go watch amare vs duncan)

[BlackVVaves]

2005 WCF Spurs vs Suns. (go watch amare vs duncan)

Bro seriously. Go watch some basketball film.

[DMAVS41]

[QUOTE=robert_shaww]Tim Duncan Playoffs per 36

2005: 19,8
2006: 18,6
2007: 19,9
2008: 18,8
2009: 18,7
2010: 16.8
2011: 13,4
2012: 14,8
2013: 17,4
2014: 19,4

Average: 17.7

Manu Ginobli Playoffs per 36

2005: 23.3
2006: 21.2
2007: 20.9
2008: 20.5
2009: (injured)
2010: 20.8
2011: 21.8
2012: 19.6
2013: 17.5
2014: 25.3

Average: 21.2

- Duncan has more rebounds and blocks, Ginobili more asissts and steals.
- Duncan

[ArbitraryWater]

http://i.imgur.com/1ZHOU6J.gif

:oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

You've gotta be kidding me.

This guy seriously believes that Tim Duncan's impact is "biased, abstract, subjective and personal" :roll:

So you're not just imcompetent, but also lack comprehension skills?

He not once directed it at Duncan alone, but people using "Impact" in general...

[Verticality]

Impact>>>>>>Stats...I'm sure someone else will break it down because I don't really feel like it...

This. Would rep if I could.

[SHAQisGOAT]

:facepalm at the whole post

Starting the point with PER :oldlol:

[dr.hee]

Am I the only one noticing that OP pulled random per 36 stats for Duncan out of his ass? Shit is totally made up :lol

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html

And for Manu, he simply added +1 ppg for every year to his real per 36 numbers.

I especially like



2005: 19,8
2006: 18,6
2007: 19,9

Here are the real numbers instead:


2005: 22,5
2006: 24,5
2007: 21,7



So...what the hell is wrong with OP?



:facepalm at the whole post

Starting the point with PER :oldlol:

It's not even PER...OP invented some random per 36 stats for Duncan and increased Manu's +1 ppg :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Am I the only one noticing that OP pulled random per 36 stats for Duncan out of his ass? Shit is totally made up :lol

And for Manu, he simply added +1 ppg for every year to his real per 36 numbers.

I especially like



Here are the real numbers instead:





So...what the hell is wrong with OP?




It's not even PER...OP invented some random per 36 stats for Duncan and increased Manu's +1 ppg :lol

LOL at you being the only one to notice it...

nobody even doubted it? :wtf:

[robert_shaww]

Am I the only one noticing that OP pulled random per 36 stats for Duncan out of his ass? Shit is totally made up :lol

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html

And for Manu, he simply added +1 ppg for every year to his real per 36 numbers.

I especially like



Here are the real numbers instead:





So...what the hell is wrong with OP?




It's not even PER...OP invented some random per 36 stats for Duncan and increased Manu's +1 ppg :lol



Dont know what you are talking about.

[Dresta]

This is actually kinda true. Ginobili was incredibly good during the 2005 playoffs.

[T_L_P]

Tim Duncan averaged 22.2 PPG in the '07 Playoffs on 36.8 minutes. So apparently he loses 2.3 of them in just .8 minutes of play. :roll:

Again, per 36: bullshit stat. Manu didn't have the durability to play big minutes, ever, so he'd never have been able to put up those falsified stats that you listed.

You talk about the clutch: but what about Shaq? When did he have the ball in his hands for the last shot? And when did Manu anchor top 3 defenses year-in, year-out?

Oh, and here's the real per 36 numbers from '08-'14 (totaled):

Duncan: 18.3 PPG / 10.8 RPG / 2.5 APG / 0.7 SPG / 1.9 BPG /

Manu: 18.8 PPG / 4.4 RPG / 5.5 APG / 1.5 SPG / 0.3 BPG

[Collie]

I dont Want to be a Troll.

Too late.

[robert_shaww]

Tim Duncan averaged 22.2 PPG in the '07 Playoffs on 36.8 minutes. So apparently he loses 2.3 of them in just .8 minutes of play. :roll:

Again, per 36: bullshit stat. Manu didn't have the durability to play big minutes, ever, so he'd never have been able to put up those falsified stats that you listed.

You talk about the clutch: but what about Shaq? When did he have the ball in his hands for the last shot? And when did Manu anchor top 3 defenses year-in, year-out?

Oh, and here's the real per 36 numbers from '08-'14 (totaled):

Duncan: 18.3 PPG / 10.8 RPG / 2.5 APG / 0.7 SPG / 1.9 BPG /

Manu: 18.8 PPG / 4.4 RPG / 5.5 APG / 1.5 SPG / 0.3 BPG

You are giving me the reason. ok. :applause: