Stat nerds are the worst kind of human garbage

[SpecialQue]

Can't believe idiots are now trying to make a case that looking at a stat sheet is more important than watching games. These people are doing more damage to real basketball discussion than anyone else on this forum.

[atljonesbro]

Eye test fanatic's typical argument:

"Marc Gasol is better than Dwight Howard, watch the game"

Real compelling, convincing stuff. Much info. to back their claim.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Stats nerds are the worst kind of human garbage? Did all the atheists die?

[~primetime~]

knowing stats are a must for hard core fans unless you actually have the time to watch every single game from every team...and even if you watch all the games it is must, scouts make use of stats all the time

stats vary in importance from sport to sport though...in baseball stats are extremely useful, in the NFL they are much more subjective...NBA is probably somewhere in the middle of those 2

[Vienceslav]

I can't say I disagree with your point, when somebody only looks at the box-score and then discusses the game with people who actually watched it, the quality of the discussion is certainly damaged, especially when the stat guy has an agenda.
On a related note, how do you view the analytics 'movement' in the NBA, do you consider it as much of a problem to the NBA as a whole, as the guys above are to ISH?

[lilgodfather1]

Stats nerds are the worst kind of human garbage? Did all the atheists die?
Nope still here. Since I'm not a religious man, I won't bother starting a war, over stats, or anything else. Best to leave that to the Christians.

[Fudge]

There's stat nerds and LeBron stans.

Pick your poision.

[Genaro]

Agreed. Manly with defense
I don't think you can measure defense through stats but some people try hard to do it.

[scm5]

Eye test fanatic's typical argument:

"Marc Gasol is better than Dwight Howard, watch the game"

Real compelling, convincing stuff. Much info. to back their claim.

But then you get players like Bruce Bowen and to a certain extent, Dennis Rodman, who both give you so much more than what their stat sheet tells you.

I don't even think advanced defensive stats give proper value to what players like these two did.

[SpecialQue]

Stats nerds are the worst kind of human garbage? Did all the atheists die?

Dat religious compassion. :bowdown:

[Droid101]

Yea i understand but Gasol shot 44% from within the arc which totaling to his season total equaled to less than 34% from within that range. You tell me how Marc can shoot from within that range when he averaged 51% from that same range against teams in the atlantic division in the month of march (06-12) which after that time his percentage fell of t0 44%. So im thinking withing that timeframe his average couldnt have been more than a total of 33%. Even with those numbers he couldnt have shot that good from 16 feet which he averaged 56% from nov 07-march 13. Now i dont expect him to get those numbers back but i expect him to at least get them up as it was from 08 , thats when he made 88% of his shots from within the paint . Hoping the Grizz take this series because i can go on and on with Zebo and his numbers too which isnt looking too good
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[AnaheimLakers24]

Stats nerds are the worst kind of human garbage? Did all the atheists die?
atheists are annoying little dipshi.ts. They are worse than religous people

[robert de niro]

you used to have a high percentage of quality threads, your game is declining

[Marchesk]

atheists are annoying little dipshi.ts. They are worse than religous people

At least we don't try to change laws to force our religious views on other people, or tell people that they're going to suffer eternal torment because they don't believe a certain way, or claim that stuff written down by folks living thousands of years ago trumps the discoveries of modern science. :facepalm

[fpliii]

Atheist and stat nerd checking in doe (protip: everybody watches games, regardless of whether or not they're into analytics). :rockon:

[GimmeThat]

I f&cking hate it when players are ranked and valued based on the number of rings they've won, or whether or not a player even has a ring

[YouGotServed]

Yea i understand but Gasol shot 44% from within the arc which totaling to his season total equaled to less than 34% from within that range. You tell me how Marc can shoot from within that range when he averaged 51% from that same range against teams in the atlantic division in the month of march (06-12) which after that time his percentage fell of t0 44%. So im thinking withing that timeframe his average couldnt have been more than a total of 33%. Even with those numbers he couldnt have shot that good from 16 feet which he averaged 56% from nov 07-march 13. Now i dont expect him to get those numbers back but i expect him to at least get them up as it was from 08 , thats when he made 88% of his shots from within the paint . Hoping the Grizz take this series because i can go on and on with Zebo and his numbers too which isnt looking too good


Edit: his percentage fell to 43.2% from (march 06-14)

I don't know what any of this means, but I agree. Marc stans are the worst.

[Milbuck]

I'm a bit of a stat nerd, and technically - but not aggressively - an atheist. So half-heartedly, **** Silk and **** AnaheimLakers.

[Marchesk]

So half-heartedly, **** Silk and ****

No need to be half hearted about it. Lebron stans are the worst.

Silk is sometimes funny doe

[greymatter]

I'm a bit of a stat nerd, and technically - but not aggressively - an atheist. So half-heartedly, **** Silk and **** AnaheimLakers.

Why work yourself into a (half) tizzy over the opinions of a couple of retards with extra chromosomes? Be happy that those imbeciles have religion. The true human scum are those that require the threat of an all powerful being watching their actions in order not to be douchebags to their fellow humans.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Atheist and stat nerd checking in doe (protip: everybody watches games, regardless of whether or not they're into analytics). :rockon:
all of this

[Mr. Jabbar]

op, have my childs

[TheMagicMan]

Eh. Most stat heads I know religiously watch NBA basketball. I'm talking 5 games on at once. I think of it like this, there's no way you can take one over the other. Stats and the eye test go hand in hand.

[moe94]

stat nerds > eye test dummies

[GODbe]

Agreed 100% :cheers:

[moe94]

Eh. Most stat heads I know religiously watch NBA basketball. I'm talking 5 games on at once. I think of it like this, there's no way you can take one over the other. Stats and the eye test go hand in hand.

Which is hilarious when people say shit like boxscore watchers. I mean, do people really think anyone is out there just checking stats and never watch any games? Who are these people? :oldlol:

[riseagainst]

Which is hilarious when people say shit like boxscore watchers. I mean, do people really think anyone is out there just checking stats and never watch any games? Who are these people? :oldlol:

most stans on this site.
:confusedshrug:

[oarabbus]

Atheist and stat nerd checking in doe (protip: everybody watches games, regardless of whether or not they're into analytics). :rockon:

:cheers:

[moe94]

most stans on this site.
:confusedshrug:

People who don't agree with me are stat watching stans.

[atljonesbro]

People who don't agree with me are stat watching stans.
Literally every single time I bring up stats people always tell that I need to watch them game and stop taking so much stock in them :oldlol:. Am I not suppose to use them ever? Because it's impossible without some "expert" eye test fanatic to tell me how little stats matter and I should just watch the game like I don't watch. I'm just not stupid enough to disregard stats. They rarely ever make valid points to even add to the debate either.

[ILLsmak]

I can't say I disagree with your point, when somebody only looks at the box-score and then discusses the game with people who actually watched it, the quality of the discussion is certainly damaged, especially when the stat guy has an agenda.
On a related note, how do you view the analytics 'movement' in the NBA, do you consider it as much of a problem to the NBA as a whole, as the guys above are to ISH?


I think the agenda is the bad part. Also, trolls... dudes who say LOL 15 FTS.

How much discussion is really going on here and who is trying to jump into real basketball discussion with a box score? How is that even possible?

as I've said before, it seems like the only time stat people are annoying is when they are arguing about who or which team is better... trying to prove a point that someone can do this or do that (generally in regards to why they are better or worse than someone else)... and use stats to back it up. They think because a stat is "true" that it means their argument is "true."

That's why 5 rangz is a great example. That's not a bball stat, but it embodies exactly what happens when people use stats to support their argument.

And no way... the trolls are the ones ****ing up this site. It's everyone's fault, too, for taking the stats they dig up seriously.

You might think dudes who are 'serious fans' or' serious supporters of a player' aren't trolls, but really they are. In fact, I'd argue once you go past a certain point... where you have to compare your favorite player to everything in every thread, using stats or not, u trollan.

-Smak

[Mr. Jabbar]

op got stat nerds shook :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Eye test Idiots are even worse.... well at least the Kobe cult.

"I watched peak Kobe, he's just better than LeBron... LeBron got his cute stats, nice. Kobe is just better. Why? I saw him play, because I say so..."

alright bud

[Euroleague]

Only thing worse than stat whore fans are the stat whore general managers like Morey.

[oarabbus]

Only thing worse than stat whore fans are the stat whore general managers like Morey.


Wow EL with a good post. You know, advanced stats are nice and all, but m@sturbate to stats too much and you end up signing James Haren to a max contract :yaohappy:

[riseagainst]

Eye test Idiots are even worse.... well at least the Kobe cult.

"I watched peak Kobe, he's just better than LeBron... LeBron got his cute stats, nice. Kobe is just better. Why? I saw him play, because I say so..."

alright bud

bashing people for their opinions is just as bad as bashing people for worshiping stats without context.

[Talent]

I can see how factual arguments could get in the way of some of the player worship I see on this site. Scouts in general use stats to not to gauge a player but to get an idea of how much of what he see's happens per game, per season.

[Bl]

Stats nerds are the worst kind of human garbage? Did all the atheists die?

i liked you until that comment:facepalm

religitards are the worst humans on the planet

[rhowen4]

I imagine stats and atheists go together.

Disregarding any part of basketball is foolish.

[COnDEMnED]

Eye test Idiots are even worse.... well at least the Kobe cult.

"I watched peak Kobe, he's just better than LeBron... LeBron got his cute stats, nice. Kobe is just better. Why? I saw him play, because I say so..."

alright bud
I watched peak Kobe, he may not be better than Lebron, but I enjoyed his prime and post prime play style better. Those 2000 Kobe-Shaq Lakers teams were some of the most entertaining basketball.

[BlackVVaves]

Yea i understand but Gasol shot 44% from within the arc which totaling to his season total equaled to less than 34% from within that range. You tell me how Marc can shoot from within that range when he averaged 51% from that same range against teams in the atlantic division in the month of march (06-12) which after that time his percentage fell of t0 44%. So im thinking withing that timeframe his average couldnt have been more than a total of 33%. Even with those numbers he couldnt have shot that good from 16 feet which he averaged 56% from nov 07-march 13. Now i dont expect him to get those numbers back but i expect him to at least get them up as it was from 08 , thats when he made 88% of his shots from within the paint . Hoping the Grizz take this series because i can go on and on with Zebo and his numbers too which isnt looking too good

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[nathanjizzle]

Stats nerds are the worst kind of human garbage? Did all the atheists die?

youre the religious type? what a ******.

[Wally450]

So your saying Westboro Baptist Church > stat nerds?

[moe94]

So your saying Westboro Baptist Church > stat nerds?

Gave me an idea.

Westbrook Baptist Church

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[JebronLames]

Can't believe idiots are now trying to make a case that looking at a stat sheet is more important than watching games. These people are doing more damage to real basketball discussion than anyone else on this forum.
Yeah, they underrate lebron's impact. How he plays team basketball and gets everyone involved. How he's involved in lots of scoring plays even if he doesn't get an assist. Much easier for people to make shots when they're involved in the game. They overrate Kobe's impact. His hero ball disrupts the team's offense. Hard for his teammates to make plays when they're not involved in games.

[TheMagicMan]

Yeah, they underrate lebron's impact. How he plays team basketball and gets everyone involved. How he's involved in lots of scoring plays even if he doesn't get an assist. Much easier for people to make shots when they're involved in the game. They overrate Kobe's impact. His hero ball disrupts the team's offense. Hard for his teammates to make plays when they're not involved in games.

Lmao, most stats actually discriminate against volume scorers such as Kobe. If anything, they make LeBron look better ie. PER, TS%, WS etc.

[moe94]

Lmao, most stats actually discriminate against volume scorers such as Kobe. If anything, they make LeBron look better ie. PER, TS%, WS etc.

Explain Durant.

[TheMagicMan]

Explain Durant.

Not all volume scorers, but most. Durant's amazing, man. Volume and efficiency usually don't go hand-in-hand, but he's redefining it as we speak. Anyways, from my experience advanced stats don't really look favorably upon chuckers is all I'm saying.