With Monta's recent high scoring, Wilt has the highest playoff ppg drop-off all-time

[Deuce Bigalow]

at 7.6 ppg.

Ellis used to have the highest official playoff ppg drop-off but not any more due to his current playoff series bumping up his average.

Wilt rebreaking one of his many records :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

at 7.6 ppg.

Ellis used to have the highest official playoff ppg drop-off but not any more due to his current playoff series bumping up his average.

Wilt rebreaking one of his many records :bowdown:

In post-season ELIMINATION games, Chamberlain is just behind Lebron (31.9 ppg), and MJ (31.3 ppg)...ALL-TIME, with a 31.1 ppg average in his 23 "must win" post-season games. Which, BTW, includes THREE games of 50+ (one of them against Russell), and a FINALS "must-win" game of 45 points.

GOAT...

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Cone]

monta didnt even have a big role in 07. only reason why he was on there. not to mention only two appearances

wilt :roll: :roll: :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

monta didnt even have a big role in 07. only reason why he was on there. not to mention only two appearances

wilt :roll: :roll: :roll:

A prime "scoring" Chamberlain, in his 67 post-season games, AVERAGED 30.4 ppg, 27.0 rpg, 4.5 apg, and shot .515 from the field (in post-seasons in which the league shot eFG%'s of about .420.) Now, go ahead and give me your list of "GOATS" who had ONE SERIES in their entire careers, with that stat-line. In fact, find me their single GAMES with a stat-line like that.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[aj1987]

A prime "scoring" Chamberlain, in his 67 post-season games, AVERAGED 30.4 ppg, 27.0 rpg, 4.5 apg, and shot .515 from the field (in post-seasons in which the league shot eFG%'s of about .420.) Now, go ahead and give me your list of "GOATS" who had ONE SERIES in their entire careers, with that stat-line. In fact, find me their single GAMES with a stat-line like that.

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

[LAZERUSS]

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

And yet this "choker" was the most dominant post-season player of all-time.

The REAL "CLUTCH" ranking...


In post-season ELIMINATION games, Chamberlain is just behind Lebron (31.9 ppg), and MJ (31.3 ppg)...ALL-TIME, with a 31.1 ppg average in his 23 "must win" post-season games. Which, BTW, includes THREE games of 50+ (one of them against Russell), and a FINALS "must-win" game of 45 points.

GOAT...

All while never being outrebounded in any of 29 post-season series by an opposing center, and generally just slaughtering them all on the glass; completely shutting down the vast majority at the defensive end, including a PEAK Kareem; and massively outshooting all of his opposing centers from the floor (including ALL SIX of his Finals' series.)

[aj1987]

And yet this "choker" was the most dominant post-season player of all-time.
18.1 PPG in the Finals. Won 2 rings in 14 seasons. Lost in 6 Finals. All that "dominance" and no hardware to show for it. :cheers:

[Im Still Ballin]

18.1 PPG in the Finals. Won 2 rings in 14 seasons. Lost in 6 Finals. All that "dominance" and no hardware to show for it. :cheers:

don't do em like that aj !

[CelticBaller]

A prime "scoring" Chamberlain, in his 67 post-season games, AVERAGED 30.4 ppg, 27.0 rpg, 4.5 apg, and shot .515 from the field (in post-seasons in which the league shot eFG%'s of about .420.) Now, go ahead and give me your list of "GOATS" who had ONE SERIES in their entire careers, with that stat-line. In fact, find me their single GAMES with a stat-line like that.

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Lol I would average that against those newspaper boys

[LAZERUSS]

18.1 PPG in the Finals. Won 2 rings in 14 seasons. Lost in 6 Finals. All that "dominance" and no hardware to show for it. :cheers:

Yep, while Wilt was "losing" to the greatest dynasty in NBA history, and then teams like the '70 and '73 Knicks (SIX HOFers), as well as the '71 Bucks...and crushing that said dynasty in one of his post-seasons, and dominating the '72 Bucks in the other...

players like MJ were "losing" to Celtic and Piston teams that were wiped out by Magic's Lakers. Kareem was "losing" to Thurmond, Cowens, Walton, Webster, Sikma, Moses, Parish, and Laimbeer.

Hakeem, that clown was losing to Eaton, Thompson, Miller, AC Green...you name it, just a long parade of no-name centers who "beat" Hakeem.

I could go right down the list. Chamberlain's "losses" were to super teams, and not also-rans with scrub centers.

[VIntageNOvel]

why lazeruss is the only one left defending wilt,

wheres the other dude?

[LAZERUSS]

Lol I would average that against those newspaper boys

Just as a point of fact...in those 67 playoff games, 35 of them came against RUSSELL, and another six against THURMOND. BTW, here were Kareem's numbers against Thurmond in his three playoff series against him... .486 FG%, .428 FG%, and a .405 FG% (in a series in which Nate outscored and outshot him.)

And yet a 39 year old Kareem was just mopping the floor with Hakeem. In TEN STRAIGHT games against Hakeem... 32 ppg on a .621 FG%, with three games of 40, 43, and 46 points (and in only 37 minutes BTW.)

Obviously the centers of the 60's would have annihilated Hakeem.

But in any case, do you think you could have averaged 30-27-5 against Hakeem????

[deja vu]

LOL Wilt lovers like Lazeruss and CavsFTW are shook. :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

In post-season ELIMINATION games, Chamberlain is just behind Lebron (31.9 ppg), and MJ (31.3 ppg)...ALL-TIME, with a 31.1 ppg average in his 23 "must win" post-season games. Which, BTW, includes THREE games of 50+ (one of them against Russell), and a FINALS "must-win" game of 45 points.

GOAT...

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Pretty nice to pad that shit up with 3 50+ point games as a rookie :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

18.1 PPG in the Finals. Won 2 rings in 14 seasons. Lost in 6 Finals. All that "dominance" and no hardware to show for it. :cheers:

He lost in 4 Finals

[aj1987]

Yep, while Wilt was "losing" to the greatest dynasty in NBA history, and then teams like the '70 and '73 Knicks (SIX HOFers), as well as the '71 Bucks...and crushing that said dynasty in one of his post-seasons, and dominating the '72 Bucks in the other...

players like MJ were "losing" to Celtic and Piston teams that were wiped out by Magic's Lakers. Kareem was "losing" to Thurmond, Cowens, Walton, Webster, Sikma, Moses, Parish, and Laimbeer.

Hakeem, that clown was losing to Eaton, Thompson, Miller, AC Green...you name it, just a long parade of no-name centers who "beat" Hakeem.

I could go right down the list. Chamberlain's "losses" were to super teams, and not also-rans with scrub centers.


But I thought he was the MOST dominant player EVER. Shouldn't he be able to win more than that? Also, 12 PPG drop from the RS to the Finals.

@ ArbitraryWater, My bad. Played in 6 and lost 4.

[LAZERUSS]

But I thought he was the MOST dominant player EVER. Shouldn't he be able to win more than that? Also, 12 PPG drop from the RS to the Finals.

@ ArbitraryWater, My bad. Played in 6 and lost 4.

Jordan went 0-6 against Bird in his post-season play. Kareem was 1-6 against Moses (including "losing" to a Moses-led team that went 40-42.) Bird was 8-11 against Magic (and really, that one series win should have been a Laker sweep...he was one FT away from being 5-12, and another ill-advised pass away from being 4-12.)

How come?

Why couldn't MJ beat the Celtics? Clearly, since Wilt is held to that same standard against Russell, why not MJ against Bird?


BTW, MJ's scoring and effciency took a NOSE-DIVE in his four post-season series against the "Bad Boys" (and really, the Pistons were already ina steep decline in the last one.) Shaq's scoring and efficiency took a big time hit against the Spurs in his FIVE playoff series against them. And KAJ...well, how about this...against Wilt and Nate in his FIVE playoff series...a decline of 7 ppg and get this... 11% from the floor.

How come? How come when those "GOATs" went up against fellow "GOATs" and their quality teams...THEIR numbers declined DRAMATICALLY????


BTW, how about Kobe's HUGE decline in FG% in his SEVEN NBA Finals? And in the biggest games of those Finals, he probably shot around 38% (or worse.)

[LAZERUSS]

And this is for Deuce...


99-00
Regular season 22.5 ppg .468 FG%
Finals 15.6 ppg .367 FG%
Last Game of Series .296 FG%

00-01
Regular season 28.5 ppg .464 FG%
Finals 24.6 ppg .415 FG%
Last Game of Series .389 FG%

01-02
Regular season 25.2 ppg .469
Finals 26.8 ppg .514 FG%
Last Game of Series .438 FG%

03-04
Regular season 24.0 ppg .438 FG%
Finals 22.6 ppg .381 FG%
Last Game of Series .333 FG%

07-08
Regular season 28.3 ppg .459 FG%
Finals 25.7 ppg .405 FG%
Last Game of Series .318 FG%

08-09
Regular season 26.8 ppg .467 FG%
Finals 32.4 ppg .430 FG%
Last Game of Series .435 FG%

09-10
Regular season 27.0 ppg .456 FG%
Finals 28.6 ppg .405 FG%
Last Game of Series .250 FG%


Other noteables:


97-98
Swept by Utah 4-0.
Kobe averages 10.0 ppg on a .367 FG%

98-99
Swept by San Antonio 4-0
Last game of the series : Kobe 16 points on a .438 FG%

02-03
Lose to Spurs in WCF's, 4-2.
Last game loss by a score of 110-82 (Kobe with 20 points in a season in which he averaged 30 ppg)

03-04 Finals
Heavily favored Lakers lose to Pistons, 4-1.
In the clinching game five loss Kobe shoots .333 in a 100-87 loss (and LA was down 23 going into 4th quarter)

04-05
Team goes 34-48 and misses playoffs

05-06
Regular season 35.4 ppg .450
Playoffs 27.9 ppg .497
Last game (7) 24 points in a 121-90 loss (after blowing a 3-1 series lead)

06-07
Team goes 42-40
Loses in first round to Suns, 4-1.
Last game of that series, Kobe shoots .394 from the floor

07-08
Lakers are blown out by Celts in Finals.
In game four the Lakers blow a 23 point lead, and lose, in a game in which Kobe shot .316 from the field.
In the clinching game six loss, the Lakers lose by a Finals record margin of 131-92. Kobe shoots .318 from the floor.

10-11
Lakers with HCA are swept by the Mavs, 4-0.
In the clinching game four loss, LA loses 122-86. Kobe shoots .389 from the field.





BY FAR...the biggest CHOKE jobs by a "GOAT" in NBA history...

[LAZERUSS]

Of course, Wilt ELEVATED his rebounding and FG% in his Finals...while crushing his opposing centers in BOTH.

Here were his margins in rebounding:

27.8 rpg to 25.2 rpg; 28.5 rpg to 26.7 rpg; 25.0 rpg to 21.4 rpg; 24.1 rpg to 10.5 rpg; 23.2 rpg to 9.8 rpg; and 18.6 rpg to 9.2 rpg.

And here were his FG% margins:

.517 to .386; .560 to .343; .500 to .399; .625 to .483; .600 to .500; and .525 to .493.


DOMINANCE...

[-23-]

Jordan went 0-6 against Bird in his post-season play. Kareem was 1-6 against Moses (including "losing" to a Moses-led team that went 40-42.) Bird was 8-11 against Magic (and really, that one series win should have been a Laker sweep...he was one FT away from being 5-12, and another ill-advised pass away from being 4-12.)

How come?

Why couldn't MJ beat the Celtics? Clearly, since Wilt is held to that same standard against Russell, why not MJ against Bird?


BTW, MJ's scoring and effciency took a NOSE-DIVE in his four post-season series against the "Bad Boys" (and really, the Pistons were already ina steep decline in the last one.) Shaq's scoring and efficiency took a big time hit against the Spurs in his FIVE playoff series against them. And KAJ...well, how about this...against Wilt and Nate in his FIVE playoff series...a decline of 7 ppg and get this... 11% from the floor.

How come? How come when those "GOATs" went up against fellow "GOATs" and their quality teams...THEIR numbers declined DRAMATICALLY????


BTW, how about Kobe's HUGE decline in FG% in his SEVEN NBA Finals? And in the biggest games of those Finals, he probably shot around 38% (or worse.)

MJ nosedive? LOL, sure when you're the focus of the teams entire defense. Still produced stats that are better than any guard in NBA history.

1988
Series: 27.4 ppg, 8.8 rpg, and 4.6 apg on 49.1 %FG/54.9 %TS with 3.6 topg in 42.0 mpg

1989
Series: 29.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 6.5 apg on 46.0 %FG/56.1 %TS with 3.7 topg in 43.2 mpg


1990
Series: 32.1 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 6.3 apg on 46.7 %FG/56.6 %TS with 2.9 topg in 42.3 mpg

These are great stats for ANY guard.

[aj1987]

Irrelevant BS removed.
Why are you bringing up Kobe and MJ. Stop deflecting.

Wilt - 12 PPG drop from the RS to the Finals. Lost 4 times in the Finals and only 2 rings in 14 seasons. Apparently, to be considered the GOAT, you have to stat pad like crazy instead of playing winning ball.

[LAZERUSS]

Why are you bringing up Kobe and MJ. Stop deflecting.

Wilt - 12 PPG drop from the RS to the Finals. Lost 4 times in the Finals and only 2 rings in 14 seasons. Apparently, to be considered the GOAT, you have to stat pad like crazy instead of playing winning ball.

Why? Because if MJ, Bird, KAJ, and Shaq had faced their biggest rivals in EIGHT playoff series, and either in the first, or second round, in SEVEN of them...and they for sure would have had MUCH lower offensive numbers, and less rings.

As for Kobe...put him in the Finals, and it was laughable. Put him in his biggest games in the Finals (even in WINS), and he was a complete JOKE.

[deja vu]

Why do you always bring up Wilt's playoffs performance against the Celtics, when Wilt also performed badly against other teams. :oldlol:

Wilt vs. Celtics (playoffs): 23.4 PPG (36 games)
Wilt vs. other teams (playoffs): 22.3 PPG (124 games)

That's the "GOAT" for you folks!

[LAZERUSS]

MJ nosedive? LOL, sure when you're the focus of the teams entire defense. Still produced stats that are better than any guard in NBA history.

1988
Series: 27.4 ppg, 8.8 rpg, and 4.6 apg on 49.1 %FG/54.9 %TS with 3.6 topg in 42.0 mpg

1989
Series: 29.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 6.5 apg on 46.0 %FG/56.1 %TS with 3.7 topg in 43.2 mpg


1990
Series: 32.1 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 6.3 apg on 46.7 %FG/56.6 %TS with 2.9 topg in 42.3 mpg

These are great stats for ANY guard.

And Wilt, who was SWARMED by Russell and his Celtics???

So are series of 30.5, 27 rpg, and .500 FG%; 33.6 ppg, 27 rpg, .468; 29.2 ppg, 27.8 rpg, .517; 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, .555; 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, .509; and 21.6 ppg, 32.0 rpg, 10 apg, and .560...which is what a PRIME Chamberlain trashed Russell with in his post-seasons. And yet, those numbers were a decline over his regular season numbers.

Kind of puts that "decline" in a better perspective, doesn't it?

BTW, Wilt's numbers against Russell in his regular season H2H's, and his post-season H2H's with Russell, from '60 thru '68, were nearly identical.

[aj1987]

Why? Because if MJ, Bird, KAJ, and Shaq had faced their biggest rivals in EIGHT playoff series, and either in the first, or second round, in SEVEN of them...and they for sure would have had MUCH lower offensive numbers, and less rings.

As for Kobe...put him in the Finals, and it was laughable. Put him in his biggest games in the Finals (even in WINS), and he was a complete JOKE.
Again, you're claiming that Wilt is the GOAT and most dominant Playoffs player EVER. Still, he couldn't beat his rival. MJ, once he hit his prime, tore up the league.


One last time, Wilt the GOAT and most dominant ever couldn't beat his rivals. Won 2 rings in 14 seasons. Lost in 4 Finals. Choked HARD in the Finals.

[LAZERUSS]

Why do you always bring up Wilt's playoffs performance against the Celtics, when Wilt also performed badly against other teams. :oldlol:

Wilt vs. Celtics (playoffs): 23.4 PPG (36 games)
Wilt vs. other teams (playoffs): 22.3 PPG (124 games)

That's the "GOAT" for you folks!

Here were a PRIME Wilt's numbers in his post-season H2H's from '60 thru '67, aside from Russell.

38.7 ppg
37.0 ppg
37.0 ppg
38.6 ppg
27.8 ppg
28.0 ppg
17.5 ppg.

Not many series, and in those, he just crushed his opposing centers. Even that last one is deceptive, since he outscored Thurmond, 17.5 ppg to 14.3 ppg, and outshot him, .560 to .343.

Or about 33 ppg.

And a PRIME Chamberlain against Russell in his SIX playoff series...

30.5 ppg
33.6 ppg
29.2 ppg
30.1 ppg
28.0 ppg
21.6 ppg

Furthermore, that last one is really deceptive since he outscored Russell, 21.6 ppg to 10.2 ppg; outrebounded Russell, 32.0 rpg to 23.4 rpg; outassisted Russell, 10.0 apg to 6.0 apg; and outshot Russell by a .556 to .358 margin.

Yep...the "declining" Wilt...

[rhowen4]

Jlauber unknowingly is the best MJ hater out there

[Deuce Bigalow]

This guy is still arguing on Wilt's chokingness? Dude it's already been established and well known that Wilt was a choker. Maybe post some FGA and FTA stats while your add it too to prove Wilt's playoff "dominance".

[LAZERUSS]

This guy is still arguing on Wilt's chokingness? Dude it's already been established and well known that Wilt was a choker. Maybe post some FGA and FTA stats while your add it too to prove Wilt's playoff "dominance".

Chamberlain's eFG% and TS%'s were WAY ahead of the NBA post-season league averages.

Furthermore, his EFFECTIVE TS%'s were probably close to 2% higher than his ACTUAL TS%'s, since the FT rules were different in his era.

He had post-season series where he just annihilated the league averages:

For instance in his seven game series against Russell in the 64-65 EDF's:

Chamberlain averaged 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, .555 FG%, and a .583 FT%. His TS% was .560, but likely was actually probably around .580.

The 64-65 post-season league averages were .429 eFG% and .478 TS%.

So, Chamberlain shot an eFG% of .555, in a post-season NBA that shot an eFG% of .429, and his TS% was at least .560, in a post-season NBA that shot .478.

BTW, he held Russell to a .447 eFG%, and a TS% of .450.

[aj1987]

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3


GOAT choker and statpadder.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Chamberlain's eFG% and TS%'s were WAY ahead of the NBA post-season league averages.

Furthermore, his EFFECTIVE TS%'s were probably close to 2% higher than his ACTUAL TS%'s, since the FT rules were different in his era.

He had post-season series where he just annihilated the league averages:

For instance in his seven game series against Russell in the 64-65 EDF's:

Chamberlain averaged 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, .555 FG%, and a .583 FT%. His TS% was .560, but likely was actually probably around .580.

The 64-65 post-season league averages were .429 eFG% and .478 TS%.

So, Chamberlain shot an eFG% of .555, in a post-season NBA that shot an eFG% of .429, and his TS% was at least .560, in a post-season NBA that shot .478.

BTW, he held Russell to a .447 eFG%, and a TS% of .450.
His playoff career TS% was 52.4

Also...

Playoffs

1960: 33.2 ppg on 28.0 fga, 12.2 fta
1961: 37.0 ppg on 32.0 fga, 12.7 fta
1962: 35.0 ppg on 28.9 fga, 12.6 fta
1963: N/A
1964: 34.7 ppg on 26.8 fga, 11.6 fta
1965: 29.3 ppg on 21.1 fga, 12.4 fta
1966: 28.0 ppg on 22.0 fga, 13.6 fta

His "great" playoff scoring during his scoring prime.

[LAZERUSS]

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3


GOAT choker and statpadder.

Wilt's regular season NBA FG%: .540
Playoff FG%: .522 in post-season leagues that shot about .435 in that span.
Finals FG%: .559...(while holding his opposing centers to .439 in those Finals.)

Wilt's scoring and FG% in his 23 post-season elimination games... 31.1 ppg on .540.

GOAT.

[aj1987]

Wilt's regular season NBA FG%: .540
Playoff FG%: .522 in post-season leagues that shot about .435 in that span.
Finals FG%: .559...(while holding his opposing centers to .439 in those Finals.)

Wilt's scoring and FG% in his 23 post-season elimination games... 31.1 ppg on .540.

GOAT choker and statpadder.
Agreed. :cheers:

[LAZERUSS]

His playoff career TS% was 52.4

Also...

Playoffs

1960: 33.2 ppg on 28.0 fga, 12.2 fta
1961: 37.0 ppg on 32.0 fga, 12.7 fta
1962: 35.0 ppg on 28.9 fga, 12.6 fta
1963: N/A
1964: 34.7 ppg on 26.8 fga, 11.6 fta
1965: 29.3 ppg on 21.1 fga, 12.4 fta
1966: 28.0 ppg on 22.0 fga, 13.6 fta

His "great" playoff scoring during his scoring prime.

Post the post-season league eFG%'s and TS%'s while you are at it.
AND, please raise Wilt's TS% accordingly based on FT rules in that era.

WAY over the league averages.

BTW, a PEAK Kareem, going against Wilt and Nate in '72...

28.7 ppg on a 28.9 FGA. His eFG% was .437 in a post-season NBA that shot .446, and his TTS% of .462 was way below the post-season league average of .490.

WHY?


Or Hakeem in his '95 Finals... 32.8 ppg on 29.0 FGAs (going against Shaq who put up 28.0 ppg 19.0 FGAs) ..again, how come? In fact, Hakeem's eFG% of .488 was well below the league average of .504, and his .508 TS% was way below the league average of .541.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Post the post-season league eFG%'s and TS%'s while you are at it.
AND, please raise Wilt's TS% accordingly based on FT rules in that era.

WAY over the league averages.

BTW, a PEAK Kareem, going against Wilt and Nate in '72...

28.7 ppg on a 28.9 FGA. His eFG% was .437 in a post-season NBA that shot .446, and his TTS% of .462 was way below the post-season league average of .490.

WHY?


Or Hakeem in his '95 Finals... 32.8 ppg on 29.0 FGAs (going against Shaq who put up 28.0 ppg 19.0 FGAs) ..again, how come? In fact, Hakeem's eFG% of .488 was well below the league average of .504, and his .508 TS% was way below the league average of .541.
I don't care what the league average was. Wilt shot 52.4 TS% in his playoff career.

[Deuce Bigalow]

'60-'66 in scoring prime
Regular season: 39.6 ppg
Playoffs: 32.8 ppg

'69-'73 with LA
Regular season: 59.0 TS%
Playoffs: 52.6 TS%

It's called choking brah

[LAZERUSS]

'60-'66 in scoring prime
Regular season: 39.6 ppg
Playoffs: 32.8 ppg

'69-'73 with LA
Regular season: 59.0 TS%
Playoffs: 52.6 TS%

It's called choking brah

32.8 ppg on a .505 eFG% in post-seasons that shot an eFG% of .420...all while grabbing 26.7 rpg., and outscoring his opposing centers by a huge margin, crushing them all on the glass, and outshooting them by well over 10% from the field. Oh, and in those 52 games, 30 of them came against Russell...whom he averaged 31 ppg on a .507 eFG% in that same span.

Yep..."choker"...

Next...

[TheMagicMan]

Here's Wilt "dominating" his peers :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://krui.fm/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/chamberlain_wilt.jpg

[Psileas]

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

More advanced formula: playoff ppg+playoff rpg+playoff apg+playoff spg+playoff bpg

Jordan: 33.4+6.4+5.7+2.1+.9=48.5
Magic: 19.5+7.7+12.3+1.9+.3=41.7
Bird: 23.8+10.3+6.5+1.8+.9=43.3
Russell: 16.2+24.7+4.7=45.8 (unofficially: above 50, closer to 55)
Kareem: 24.3+10.5+3.2+1.0+2.4=41.4 (unofficially: a bit higher)
Wilt: 22.5+24.5+4.2=51.2 (unofficially: close to 60)

Wilt, Playoff GOAT.

[LAZERUSS]

Here's Wilt "dominating" his peers :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://krui.fm/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/chamberlain_wilt.jpg

Just an FYI...

Wilt had entire SEASONS, covering between nine and 12 H2H games in each, of 35.0 ppg, 38.1 ppg, 39.1 ppg, and 39.7 ppg against the 6-10 HOFer Bill Russell. Included were five games of 50+, and a high game of 62 points.

Chamberlain had entire SEASONS, against the 6-11 HOFer Nate Thurmond (who would dramatically reduce a peak Kareem's production in their some 40 career H2H's), to 29 ppg and another season of 21 ppg on...get this... a .633 FG%. Wilt slaughtered Nate by margins as much as 33-10, 38-15, and even 45-13.

Wilt had an entire SEASON, covering 12 H2H games, against HOFer Willis Reed, in which he averaged 39 ppg...including beatdowns of 46-25, 41-9, 52-23, and 58-28.

Chamberlain, in his LAST TWO seasons, and covering 11 H2H games against 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier, averaged 24 ppg on ... get this... a .784 FG%.


Oh, and Wilt had entire SEASONS, covering between 10 and 12 games, against 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy, of 35.0 ppg, 38.3 ppg, 42.8 ppg, and... 52.7 ppg. Included were a TON of 50+ point games, with three of 60+, and a high of 73 points.


I could go on, but Wilt just slaughtered the NBA in his 14 seasons...including most all of his HOF counter-parts.

[LAZERUSS]

More advanced formula: playoff ppg+playoff rpg+playoff apg+playoff spg+playoff bpg

Jordan: 33.4+6.4+5.7+2.1+.9=48.5
Magic: 19.5+7.7+12.3+1.9+.3=41.7
Bird: 23.8+10.3+6.5+1.8+.9=43.3
Russell: 16.2+24.7+4.7=45.8 (unofficially: above 50, closer to 55)
Kareem: 24.3+10.5+3.2+1.0+2.4=41.4 (unofficially: a bit higher)
Wilt: 22.5+24.5+4.2=51.2 (unofficially: close to 60)

Wilt, Playoff GOAT.

And that formula doesn't begin to take into account Chamberlain's absolute dominance against his HOF peers at the defensive end, either. He DRAMATICALLY reduced the efficiencies of players like Russell, Thurmond, Bellamy, and even Kareem.

GOAT.

Oh, and GOAT Formula, too.

[Psileas]

And that formula doesn't begin to take into account Chamberlain's absolute dominance against his HOF peers at the defensive end, either. He DRAMATICALLY reduced the efficiencies of players like Russell, Thurmond, Bellamy, and even Kareem.

GOAT.

Oh, and GOAT Formula, too.

Mind you, this formula only covers the playoffs to make things interesting. Imagine what would happen if I added regular season stats, like the formula I quoted did.

[aj1987]

And that formula doesn't begin to take into account Chamberlain's absolute dominance against his HOF peers at the defensive end, either. He DRAMATICALLY reduced the efficiencies of players like Russell, Thurmond, Bellamy, and even Kareem.

GOAT.

Oh, and GOAT Formula, too.
That formula also fails to account for his choking and losing. :cheers:

[TheMagicMan]

Here's my formula:

Wilt x short white guys + inferior competition / weak era =

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/wilt-chamberlain/wilt-chamberlain-warriors.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Psileas]

Here's my formula:

Wilt x short white guys + inferior competition / weak era =

Sorry, you can't divide by zero.

[Marchesk]

why lazeruss is the only one left defending wilt,

wheres the other dude?

There's like at least 10 of us, but most Wilt-bashing threads aren't very original.

However, I will give credit to Deuce for his bogus choker rating formula - that was initially funny. And his stanning Mikan and then Wilt was a different approach to trolling. Don't know why he quit with Wilt. Kareem was next.

[Marchesk]

Here's Wilt "dominating" his peers :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/wilt_chamberlain_1979_01_01.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

More advanced formula: playoff ppg+playoff rpg+playoff apg+playoff spg+playoff bpg

Jordan: 33.4+6.4+5.7+2.1+.9=48.5
Magic: 19.5+7.7+12.3+1.9+.3=41.7
Bird: 23.8+10.3+6.5+1.8+.9=43.3
Russell: 16.2+24.7+4.7=45.8 (unofficially: above 50, closer to 55)
Kareem: 24.3+10.5+3.2+1.0+2.4=41.4 (unofficially: a bit higher)
Wilt: 22.5+24.5+4.2=51.2 (unofficially: close to 60)

Wilt, Playoff GOAT.
Sadly, Wilt is nowhere near a top 10 playoff performer.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/wilt-chamberlain/wilt-chamberlain-warriors.jpg
http://th902.photobucket.com/albums/ac228/Gando_bucket/th_michael-jordan-laughing.gif

[LAZERUSS]

Mind you, this formula only covers the playoffs to make things interesting. Imagine what would happen if I added regular season stats, like the formula I quoted did.

C'mon, the "Wilt-bashers" (especially the "Hakeem-lovers") would have scream bloody murder if you combined regular season numbers, which usually involve 80+ games, and post-seasons which could have as few as 3.

We have already given ample evidence supporting Chamberlain, as at the very least, the second greatest playoff performer in NBA history (and if you factor in rebounding, blocked shots, and defense, and he is a runaway GOAT)...but to include his endless number of regular season accomplishments would just make the "GOAT" list, a very far behind battle for #2.

[Iceman#44]

Wilt=Goat

[coin24]

Wilt McGee :applause:

If only he spent less time with mountain lions, more time not choking in the playoffs:cheers:

[Kiddlovesnets]

Gotta love ISH's obsession of Wilt. Some say hes overrated, some say hes not. The question is, how do you know and why do you care?
:rolleyes:

[LAZERUSS]

More advanced formula: playoff ppg+playoff rpg+playoff apg+playoff spg+playoff bpg

Jordan: 33.4+6.4+5.7+2.1+.9=48.5
Magic: 19.5+7.7+12.3+1.9+.3=41.7
Bird: 23.8+10.3+6.5+1.8+.9=43.3
Russell: 16.2+24.7+4.7=45.8 (unofficially: above 50, closer to 55)
Kareem: 24.3+10.5+3.2+1.0+2.4=41.4 (unofficially: a bit higher)
Wilt: 22.5+24.5+4.2=51.2 (unofficially: close to 60)

Wilt, Playoff GOAT.

From now on, whenever some clown posts Deuce's moronic "Choke" formula, I will do an automatic reply with this very well thought out, and statistically accurate, GOAT Formula.

Thanks again Psileas.

This forumula should really be stickied here.

[aj1987]

From now on, whenever some clown posts Deuce's moronic "Choke" formula, I will do an automatic reply with this very well thought out, and statistically accurate, GOAT Formula.

Thanks again Psileas.

This forumula should really be stickied here.
Taking pace into account and Wilts choking, that actual numbers would put him in the negatives.


WOAT playoff performer and stat padder.

[Deuce Bigalow]

C'mon, the "Wilt-bashers" (especially the "Hakeem-lovers") would have scream bloody murder if you combined regular season numbers, which usually involve 80+ games, and post-seasons which could have as few as 3.

We have already given ample evidence supporting Chamberlain, as at the very least, the second greatest playoff performer in NBA history (and if you factor in rebounding, blocked shots, and defense, and he is a runaway GOAT)...but to include his endless number of regular season accomplishments would just make the "GOAT" list, a very far behind battle for #2.
There is no evidence for Wilt being anywhere near the Playoff GOAT. He wasn't even top 2 in his own generation (Russell and West).

[TheMagicMan]

Exclusive image from one of Wilt's "GOAT" playoff performances :roll:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2010/writers/joe_posnanski/03/02/wilt.chamberlain/wilt-poz2.jpg

[Sarcastic]

OP is absolutely obsessed with Wilt, to the point that it's really scary.

[The-Legend-24]

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3
:roll:

Rest In Piss, LAZERUSS. :oldlol:

[raid09]

.511 FT% shooter in the regular season
.465 in the playoffs
.375 in the finals


Chamberlains ppg in regular season: 30.1
Chamberlains ppg in playoffs: 22.5
Chamberlain's ppg in the Finals: 18

Default NBA choking rating

Advanced Formula: Losses with HCA + playoff ppg drop + finals ppg drop + playoff rpg drop + finals rpg drop + playoff apg drop + finals apg drop + playoff fg% drop + finals fg% drop + playoff ft% drop + finals ft% drop - rings

Wilt Chamberlain: 5 + (30.1-22.5) + (30.1-18.6) + (22.9-24.9) + (22.9-24.6) + (4.4-4.2) + (4.4-3.8) + (54.0-52.2) + (54.0-55.9) + (51.1-46.5) + (51.1-37.5) - 2 = 37.3

:biggums:

Imagine how much shit LeBron and Durant would get if that happened for even one season.

[5 rings fan]

It is criminal to rate Wilt in the top 10 but
30 ppg --> 18 ppg is largely due to he is not that good to begin with
he played finals in 1970,1972,1973
all of which his role wasn't scoring like in regular seasons ten years ago

Kobe would have averaged 38.7 points on 60% shooting in that era :applause:
And it is true that cousy would be accountant today, but it is not his fault to help shaping up the league

[Anaximandro1]

Why? Because if MJ, Bird, KAJ, and Shaq had faced their biggest rivals in EIGHT playoff series, and either in the first, or second round, in SEVEN of them...and they for sure would have had MUCH lower offensive numbers, and less rings.

Yeah

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9QKCw_J0Auo/U2WTUS-R0GI/AAAAAAAACxw/UMaEuUdlYhQ/s1600/16.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fv9efFjF7e0/U0Gm-DF5wvI/AAAAAAAACuk/byaLtwRJeLI/s1600/2.jpg



As for Kobe...put him in the Finals, and it was laughable. Put him in his biggest games in the Finals (even in WINS), and he was a complete JOKE.

Wilt is the GOAT, Kobe is the MOAT

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zRPZ3HRT4Gs/U2WTUWF8B7I/AAAAAAAACx0/TFb9X9__OpQ/s1600/17.jpg

[5 rings fan]

Why are you posting 2000 crap ? Kobe was still young
Prime Kobe would have dropped 45 on reggie "one dimensional" miller

[TheMagicMan]

Yeah

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9QKCw_J0Auo/U2WTUS-R0GI/AAAAAAAACxw/UMaEuUdlYhQ/s1600/16.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fv9efFjF7e0/U0Gm-DF5wvI/AAAAAAAACuk/byaLtwRJeLI/s1600/2.jpg



Wilt is the GOAT, Kobe is the MOAT

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zRPZ3HRT4Gs/U2WTUWF8B7I/AAAAAAAACx0/TFb9X9__OpQ/s1600/17.jpg

:facepalm

Defenses Wilt faced:
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2e3wphf.jpg

Defenses Kobe faced:
http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/02/20/56/592781/9/628x471.jpg

/thread

[Deuce Bigalow]

I think this will be my last Wilt thread. I post all I wanted to post about Wilt. I have sucessfully proven that Wilt is a choker, nowhere near the GOAT player, not the most dominant player ever, and not the most dominant scorer ever.

[LAZERUSS]

Yeah

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9QKCw_J0Auo/U2WTUS-R0GI/AAAAAAAACxw/UMaEuUdlYhQ/s1600/16.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fv9efFjF7e0/U0Gm-DF5wvI/AAAAAAAACuk/byaLtwRJeLI/s1600/2.jpg



Wilt is the GOAT, Kobe is the MOAT

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zRPZ3HRT4Gs/U2WTUWF8B7I/AAAAAAAACx0/TFb9X9__OpQ/s1600/17.jpg

Excellent post...which pretty confirms everything I said.

And again, MJ's scoring and efficiency declined considerably in his four post-season series against the "Bad Boys" (and really, the Pistons were done by that 4th year)...and his team's went 1-3 against them.

Now, imagine MJ having to face that quality of an opponent in EIGHT playoff series, AND, in either the first or second round in seven of them!!!!

How about Kareem? Moses easily outplayed him, and held him to a .462 FG% in the '81 series.

BUT, even worse, a PEAK Kareem faced Thurmond and Wilt in FIVE series from his '70-71 thru his 72-73 post-seasons...and his scoring dropped from nearly 33 ppg in the regular season in that span...down to 26 ppg in those five series. AND, his FG% dropped from his .563 regular season average in that three year span....down to...get this... a .450 against Nate and Wilt in those five series. Here again, had Kareem had to face those EIGHT times, and his scoring and FG%s would have taken even more of a hit in his post-season career.

Bird? He shot .484, .450, and .445 against the Lakers in his three Finals against them, and was lucky to go 1-2 (his Celtics should have been swept in '84.) Had he faced them EIGHT times, and in the first or second round, seven times, (instead of the Finals)...and for sure, his career post-season resume would look much worse.

[LAZERUSS]

I think this will be my last Wilt thread. I post all I wanted to post about Wilt. I have sucessfully proven that Wilt is a choker, nowhere near the GOAT player, not the most dominant player ever, and not the most dominant scorer ever.

It's about time you ended this farcial "quest" of your's, which has proven to be completely inaccurate, and a complete waste of your time (and everyone else's.) In fact, thanks to your constant nonsense on the subject, everyone here has seen enough facts to KNOW that Chamberlain was the GOAT.

Thanks again...

[Deuce Bigalow]

It's about time you ended this farcial "quest" of your's, which has proven to be completely inaccurate, and a complete waste of your time (and everyone else's.) In fact, thanks to your constant nonsense on the subject, everyone here has seen enough facts to KNOW that Chamberlain was the GOAT.

Thanks again...
GOAT?

6th as voted by ISH

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282470

And of course not even voted GOAT of his own era as this honor was awarded to Bill Russell as the greatest player on the NBA's 35th anniversary team.

[5 rings fan]

Been following deuce wilt's thread for 2 years... gonna miss him :cry:

[LAZERUSS]

GOAT?

6th as voted by ISH

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282470

And of course not even voted GOAT of his own era as this honor was awarded to Bill Russell as the greatest player on the NBA's 35th anniversary team.

Russell was selected the GOAT by a panel of SPORTSWRITERS in 1980.

HOWEVER, in their 10 seasons in the league together, Chamberlain held a massive 7-2 margin in First-Team All-NBA Selections over Russell. And guess what? Those selections were made by ... SPORTSWRITERS...who actually SAW Russell and Wilt PLAYING (and Chamberlain routinely destroying Russell.)

[Deuce Bigalow]

As Celtics player Don Nelson told the Boston Herald, "There are two types of superstars. One makes himself look good at the expense of the other guys on the floor. But there's another type who makes the players around him look better than they are, and that's the type Russell was."

http://www.nba.com/history/players/russell_bio.html

:applause:

Bill: 11 and named GOAT
Wilt: 2

[LAZERUSS]

As Celtics player Don Nelson told the Boston Herald, "There are two types of superstars. One makes himself look good at the expense of the other guys on the floor. But there's another type who makes the players around him look better than they are, and that's the type Russell was."

http://www.nba.com/history/players/russell_bio.html

:applause:

Bill: 11 and named GOAT
Wilt: 2

John Wooden said it even better...

Had Wilt had Russell's supporting casts, and Auerbach as his coach, and it would have been Wilt holding all those rings.

[Marchesk]

Defenses Wilt faced:

http://www.achievement.org/achievers/rus0/large/rus0-010.jpg




Defenses Kobe faced:

http://ryanonfire.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/20120706-192536.jpg

[TheMagicMan]

http://ryanonfire.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/20120706-192536.jpg

You mean:

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nba/_photos/2006-05-04-kobe.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

Been following deuce wilt's thread for 2 years... gonna miss him :cry:
I'm not gonna leave. I'm glad to have educated the younger generation about Wilt. I tried to bring forth knowledge on the how overrated Wilt was like posters fatal9 and millwad did before me. The question is who will carry the torch going forward?

[TheMagicMan]

I'm not gonna leave. I'm glad to have educated the younger generation about Wilt. I tried to bring forth knowledge on the how overrated Wilt was like posters fatal9 and millwad did before me. The question is who will carry the torch going forward?

You can count on me bro :cheers:

[MiseryCityTexas]

66-67 era Wilt would destroy today's NBA centers.

[aj1987]

Laz still fails to understand what we're trying to say. Let me break it down season to season.

Year - RS PPG - Playoffs PPG - RS FT% - Playoffs FT%
1960 - 37.6 - 33.2 - 46.1% - 44.5%
1961 - 38.4 - 37.0 - 50.9% - 55.3%
1962 - 50.4 - 35.0 - 61.3% - 63.6%
1963 - 44.8 - Missed Playoffs (:oldlol: ) Imagine if Kobe or LeBron missed while averaging 44.8.
1964 - 36.9 - 34.7 - 53.1% - 47.5%
1965 - 34.7 - 29.3 - 46.4% - 55.9%
1966 - 33.5 - 28.0 - 51.3% - 41.2%
1967 - 24.1 - 21.7 - 44.1% - 38.8%
1968 - 24.3 - 23.7 - 38.0% - 38.0%
1969 - 20.5 - 13.9 - 44.6% - 39.2%
1970 - 27.3 - 22.1 - 44.6% - 40.6%


Choker.

[TheMagicMan]

Laz still fails to understand what we're trying to say. Let me break it down season to season.

Year - RS PPG - Playoffs PPG - RS FT% - Playoffs FT%
1960 - 37.6 - 33.2 - 46.1% - 44.5%
1961 - 38.4 - 37.0 - 50.9% - 55.3%
1962 - 50.4 - 35.0 - 61.3% - 63.6%
1963 - 44.8 - Missed Playoffs (:oldlol: ) Imagine if Kobe or LeBron missed while averaging 44.8.
1964 - 36.9 - 34.7 - 53.1% - 47.5%
1965 - 34.7 - 29.3 - 46.4% - 55.9%
1966 - 33.5 - 28.0 - 51.3% - 41.2%
1967 - 24.1 - 21.7 - 44.1% - 38.8%
1968 - 24.3 - 23.7 - 38.0% - 38.0%
1969 - 20.5 - 13.9 - 44.6% - 39.2%
1970 - 27.3 - 22.1 - 44.6% - 40.6%


Choker.

What you basically just did to LAZARUSS right now:

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/what_7c4c46_1556412.gif

[Deuce Bigalow]

Laz still fails to understand what we're trying to say. Let me break it down season to season.

Year - RS PPG - Playoffs PPG - RS FT% - Playoffs FT%
1960 - 37.6 - 33.2 - 46.1% - 44.5%
1961 - 38.4 - 37.0 - 50.9% - 55.3%
1962 - 50.4 - 35.0 - 61.3% - 63.6%
1963 - 44.8 - Missed Playoffs (:oldlol: ) Imagine if Kobe or LeBron missed while averaging 44.8.
1964 - 36.9 - 34.7 - 53.1% - 47.5%
1965 - 34.7 - 29.3 - 46.4% - 55.9%
1966 - 33.5 - 28.0 - 51.3% - 41.2%
1967 - 24.1 - 21.7 - 44.1% - 38.8%
1968 - 24.3 - 23.7 - 38.0% - 38.0%
1969 - 20.5 - 13.9 - 44.6% - 39.2%
1970 - 27.3 - 22.1 - 44.6% - 40.6%


Choker.
:applause:

I suggest doing the Finals comparison too. I already have the PPG there.

Regular season to Finals comparison

1964: 36.9 -- 29.2 (-7.7)
1967: 24.7 -- 17.7 (-7.0)
1969: 20.5 -- 11.7 (-8.8)
1970: 27.3 -- 23.3 (-4.0)
1972: 14.8 -- 19.4 (+4.6)
1973: 13.2 -- 11.6 (-1.6)

[LAZERUSS]

Laz still fails to understand what we're trying to say. Let me break it down season to season.

Year - RS PPG - Playoffs PPG - RS FT% - Playoffs FT%
1960 - 37.6 - 33.2 - 46.1% - 44.5%
1961 - 38.4 - 37.0 - 50.9% - 55.3%
1962 - 50.4 - 35.0 - 61.3% - 63.6%
1963 - 44.8 - Missed Playoffs (:oldlol: ) Imagine if Kobe or LeBron missed while averaging 44.8.
1964 - 36.9 - 34.7 - 53.1% - 47.5%
1965 - 34.7 - 29.3 - 46.4% - 55.9%
1966 - 33.5 - 28.0 - 51.3% - 41.2%
1967 - 24.1 - 21.7 - 44.1% - 38.8%
1968 - 24.3 - 23.7 - 38.0% - 38.0%
1969 - 20.5 - 13.9 - 44.6% - 39.2%
1970 - 27.3 - 22.1 - 44.6% - 40.6%


Choker.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Only the "Custerites" will go to this extreme as some kind of "evidence" of Wilt being a "choker." Multiple post-seasons of 28.0+ ppg, including FOUR of 33.2, 34.7, 35.0, and 37.0 (not to mention post-season high series of 37.0, 37.0, 38.6, and 38.7 ppg.) All while just blowing away the post-season league FG%'s by close to 10% over the course of his prime, and career.

Not to mention that FACT that Chamberlain CRUSHED his peers on the glass, and dramatically reduced his opposing centers to WAY BELOW their normal FG%'s in those post-seasons.

One more time...Chamberlain played 67 of his 160 career playoffs in his prime ('60 thru '67), 35 of which were against Russell (and 6 more against Thurmond.) And, in those 67 games, he AVERAGED 30.4 ppg, 27.0 rpg, 4.5 apg, shot .515 from the field (in post-season's which shot about .420 in the same span), and very likely 8+ bpg. AVERAGED...over he entire course of those 67 games. Go ahead "Wilt-bashers"...give me your list of GOAT's who had even ONE playoff SERIES with those numbers. Hell, you may not even be able to find a single GAME with that stat-line.

And as everyone here knows by now, Wilt played in 23 "elimination" playoff games, and in them he AVERAGED 31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, and shot .540 (or 10+% over the post-season league average in them.) All while pounding his opposing centers in scoring, rebounding, blocked shots, and FG% efficiency.

Easily the GOAT.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[aj1987]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Only the "Custerites" will go to this extreme as some kind of "evidence" of Wilt being a "choker." Multiple post-seasons of 28.0+ ppg, including FOUR of 33.2, 34.7, 35.0, and 37.0 (not to mention post-season high series of 37.0, 37.0, 38.6, and 38.7 ppg.) All while just blowing away the post-season league FG%'s by close to 10% over the course of his prime, and career.

Not to mention that FACT that Chamberlain CRUSHED his peers on the glass, and dramatically reduced his opposing centers to WAY BELOW their normal FG%'s in those post-seasons.

One more time...Chamberlain played 67 of his 160 career playoffs in his prime ('60 thru '67), 35 of which were against Russell (and 6 more against Thurmond.) And, in those 67 games, he AVERAGED 30.4 ppg, 27.0 rpg, 4.5 apg, shot .515 from the field (in post-season's which shot about .420 in the same span), and very likely 8+ bpg. AVERAGED...over he entire course of those 67 games. Go ahead "Wilt-bashers"...give me your list of GOAT's who had even ONE playoff SERIES with those numbers. Hell, you may not even be able to find a single GAME with that stat-line.

And as everyone here knows by now, Wilt played in 23 "elimination" playoff games, and in them he AVERAGED 31.1 ppg, 26.4 rpg, and shot .540 (or 10+% over the post-season league average in them.) All while pounding his opposing centers in scoring, rebounding, blocked shots, and FG% efficiency.

Easily the GOAT.

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tl;dr Wilt is the GOAT choker and stat padder.

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