Kevin Durant averaged more turnovers than assists against Memphis

[VengefulAngel]

3.5 assists per game
3.9 turnovers per game

Supposedly this guy is
A) A better player than Lebron James.
B) A better facilitator then Lebron James (according to some)

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[oarabbus]

He plays in the west :confusedshrug: not in JV :confusedshrug:

[PyrrhusX]

Memphis >>>>>> Bobcats
Memphis >>>>>> Most of the teams in the East

[BlackVVaves]

3.5 assists per game
3.9 turnovers per game

Supposedly this guy is
A) A better player than Lebron James.
B) A better facilitator then Lebron James (according to some)

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Who said either of those things :wtf:

[VengefulAngel]

He plays in the west :confusedshrug:

LMAO


http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/miscellaneous-per-game/sort/avgTurnoversOpponent

Opponent Turnovers Per Game Leaders
ASSISTS STEALS BLOCKS TURNOVERS
RK TEAM OWN OPP OWN OPP OWN OPP OWN OPP DIFF A/TO TECH
1 LA Clippers 23.3 24.3 9.5 6.7 4.8 4.3 14.3 17.2 -2.9 1.63 6
2 Brooklyn 18.7 18.5 9.0 5.8 3.7 3.0 12.3 16.3 -4.0 1.51 9
3 Miami 21.0 19.8 7.3 4.3 4.5 4.5 10.5 15.0 -4.5 2.00 0
4 Memphis 21.7 18.0 8.3 5.8 2.7 8.5 10.7 14.8 -4.1 2.03 3
5 Atlanta 17.0 21.0 6.2 8.3 4.7 5.2 14.2 14.3 -0.1 1.20 6
Golden State 24.3 23.3 6.7 9.5 4.3 4.8 17.2 14.3 +2.9 1.42 9
7 Indiana 21.0 17.0 8.3 6.2 5.2 4.7 14.3 14.2 +0.1 1.47 8
8 Dallas 18.8 19.7 6.7 6.7 4.5 3.5 11.0 14.0 -3.0 1.71 4
9 Portland 18.5 18.3 7.3 6.0 9.2 5.0 11.8 13.8 -2.0 1.56 5
10 Washington 20.4 20.2 8.2 5.0 6.6 4.4 10.4 13.2 -2.8 1.96 5

[Smook A.]

Lol and LeBron James avg 4.0 TPG vs Memphis this season.

Did you know that?

[Brook(lyn)Lopez]

He's leaving the assist padding to GOATbrook.

[russwest0]

Dominated when it mattered

Keep thumping your chest about Miami sweeping some shitty D-League team in the East tho :roll:

[Smook A.]

Who said either of those things :wtf:
Alot of people here. Alot

[oarabbus]

Memphis >>>>>> Bobcats
Memphis >>>>>> Most of the teams in the East

Memphis would take the heat to 7

[KDthunderup]

c) supposedly Lebron played the bobcats

[VengefulAngel]

Lol and LeBron James avg 4.0 TPG vs Memphis this season.

Did you know that?

Yes

A) 6 assists per game vs Memphis
B) 2 game sample size...
C)
vs. Memphis 2 39.5 10.5-18.5 .568 1.5-3.5 .429 3.5-4.5 .778 1.0 5.0 6.0 6.0 0.5 2.0 0.5 4.0 26.0
57/43/78
D) RS

[AintNoSunshine]

Dominated when it mattered

Keep thumping your chest about Miami sweeping some shitty D-League team in the East tho :roll:


:roll: When ZBo is banned and Conley is on one leg

[VengefulAngel]

Memphis would take the heat to 7

Really so your argument is a hypothetical, plus it has nothing to do with who is better player.

[Spokelahoma]

did you now that Kevin Durant, unlike Lebron James, can create his own jumpshot whenever he wants, which is a basic skill of any good basketball player

[russwest0]

did you now that Kevin Durant, unlike Lebron James, can create his own jumpshot whenever he wants, which is a basic skill of any good basketball player

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

getting slowed down by elite defender tony allen = scrub

getting shut down by boris diaw = teh goat

:roll:

[J Shuttlesworth]

did you now that Kevin Durant, unlike Lebron James, can create his own jumpshot whenever he wants, which is a basic skill of any good basketball player
Why didn't he do that in game 3? And let's not act like he wasn't shooting 39% in the first 5 games

[VengefulAngel]

did you now that Kevin Durant, unlike Lebron James, can create his own jumpshot whenever he wants, which is a basic skill of any good basketball player

This is so wrong.

[Warfan]

He isn't either of those things IMO, definitely not a better facilitator. Durant had on okay series overall, played bad for like 3 games straight and had his worst game of the year in the most important, atleast up until that point which was game 4. But had a decent game 6 and very good game 7. And i highly doubt lebron would get the same numbers he did against Charlotte, or atleast would have to work much harder for them and would've been less efficient. Memphis would push miami to atleast 6 games.

[zoom17]

did you now that Kevin Durant, unlike Lebron James, can create his own jumpshot whenever he wants, which is a basic skill of any good basketball player

:kobe:

[J Shuttlesworth]

The good news is Brooks gets to keep his job. That should keep OKC from making the next couple of years :lol

[russwest0]

Isn't it ****ing great that Kevin Durants "choke" series still resulted in a series win and he still posted 30/10/3/2 :oldlol:

Dude is a special ****ing player. Compare his "chokes" to LeBrons and you get prime MJ compared to Brian Scalabrine :roll:

[VengefulAngel]

c) supposedly Lebron played the bobcats

As you guys are such regular season warriors.

vs. Charlotte 2 39.0 11.0-26.0 .423 1.0-6.0 .167 8.0-9.0 .889 1.5 7.5 9.0 5.5 0.0 0.0 2.5 1.5 31.0

31 points on 42 percent shooting vs 30 points of 56 percent shooting...

[oarabbus]

Yes

A) 6 assists per game vs Memphis
B) 2 game sample size...
C)
vs. Memphis 2 39.5 10.5-18.5 .568 1.5-3.5 .429 3.5-4.5 .778 1.0 5.0 6.0 6.0 0.5 2.0 0.5 4.0 26.0
57/43/78
D) RS


So your argument is that the West is better? We all agree bro.

[Spokelahoma]

This is so wrong.

do tell

[VengefulAngel]

Isn't it ****ing great that Kevin Durants "choke" series still resulted in a series win and he still posted 30/10/3/2 :oldlol:

Dude is a special ****ing player. Compare his "chokes" to LeBrons and you get prime MJ compared to Brian Scalabrine :roll:

In an age of advanced analytics, raw numbers are pretty much useless in gauging how we judge players.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Never seen a player have his legacy saved by a role player like Durant/Jackson in game 4. We've seen bailout shots, but never an entire game saved like that :lol

[VengefulAngel]

So your argument is that the West is better? We all agree bro.

Clearly my argument was a rebuttal to a point that Lebron james averaged 4 turnovers vs the Grizzlies, I merely pointed out that his production was far superior than that of Kevin Durant vs Memphis.

There is no argument that the east is better than the west. Im not arguing that.

[Spokelahoma]

As you guys are such regular season warriors.

vs. Charlotte 2 39.0 11.0-26.0 .423 1.0-6.0 .167 8.0-9.0 .889 1.5 7.5 9.0 5.5 0.0 0.0 2.5 1.5 31.0

31 points on 42 percent shooting vs 30 points of 56 percent shooting...

oh, now regular season stats are irrelevant. lebrons first 6 years were completely dependent on what he did during the regular season, but now that he's won a title, the regular season doesn't matter. ok, makes sense

[VengefulAngel]

oh, now regular season stats are irrelevant. lebrons first 6 years were completely dependent on what he did during the regular season, but now that he's won a title, the regular season doesn't matter. ok, makes sense

I'll wait until you realise how you just proved my point.

[ThePhantomCreep]

It must be difficult for LeBron Stans to tout the toughness of the Bobcats without laughing.

[VengefulAngel]

It must be difficult for LeBron Stans to tout the toughness of the Bobcats without laughing.

Please can we have relevant posts, not idiotic insecurities.

[Spokelahoma]

Why didn't he do that in game 3? And let's not act like he wasn't shooting 39% in the first 5 games

yeah he played like shit, im not denying that

[The-Legend-24]

Never seen a player have his legacy saved by a role player like Durant/Jackson in game 4...:lol
http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/jesus-shuttlesworth-ray-allen-three-pointer-570x423.jpg

[VengefulAngel]

http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/jesus-shuttlesworth-ray-allen-three-pointer-570x423.jpg




He said game not a shot....

[J Shuttlesworth]

http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/jesus-shuttlesworth-ray-allen-three-pointer-570x423.jpg
Not even close, nice try. Your boy Kobe has had bigger bailouts than that. None were close to Jackson though... especially since it would've been the MVP getting backdoor swept in the first round :lol

[The-Legend-24]

[QUOTE=The-Legend-24]http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/jesus-shuttlesworth-ray-allen-three-pointer-570x423.jpg[/QUOTE




He said game not a shot....
That shot did save the game..

[BlazerRed]

Durant wasn't handling the ball as a point forward like he did during the regular season.. hence why his assists were down. Half his turnovers were from those stupid arm flails he does sometimes instead of just going up hard, the refs weren't calling it this series, the rest were just from Allen being all up in his grill. Allen did a great job most of the series.

[VengefulAngel]

[QUOTE=VengefulAngel]
That shot did save the game..

The point is that Lebron in that 4th quarter was the only reason they were still in the game. KD was a detriment to his team the whole game and was lucky that Reggie Jackson took over.

[VengefulAngel]

Durant wasn't handling the ball like he did during the regular season.. hence why his assists were down. Half his turnovers were from those stupid arm flails he does sometimes instead of just going up hard, the refs weren't calling it this series, the rest were just from Allen being all up in his grill. Allen did a great job most of the series.

If he isn't handling the ball his turnovers should also go down, I am implying that there is a direct correlation between turnovers and ball handling tho.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Not even close, nice try. Your boy Kobe has had bigger bailouts than that. None were close to Jackson though... especially since it would've been the MVP getting backdoor swept in the first round :lol

If Allen misses that shot, LeBron loses his second finals in three years, with another mediocre series to boot.

I can't think of a bigger bailout than that.

[J Shuttlesworth]

[QUOTE=VengefulAngel]
That shot did save the game..
There's a difference between having 18 fourth quarter points to get your team back in it, and someone else making a shot to tie vs. ****ing up the entire game and having a role player rescue you. 5-21 says it all

[russwest0]

The point is that Lebron in that 4th quarter was the only reason they were still in the game. KD was a detriment to his team in the whole game and was lucky that Reggie Jackson took over.

Remember when Wade was primed to takeover in the 2011 Finals and then LeBron did his usual ball dominating shit to ruin the Heats chances? On one play Lebron literally held the ball down to 3 seconds and then passed it to Chalmers in the corner who got double teamed and turned it over.

Taking a backseat for the W >>>>>>> Dominating the ball and playing like shit.

Deal with it.

[BlazerRed]

If he isn't handling the ball his turnovers should also go down, I am implying that there is a direct correlation between turnovers and ball handling tho.
I'm not giving him an excuse for his turnovers.. just why his assists are down. Allen played him well and forced him into a lot of those turnovers.

[aj1987]

If Allen misses that shot, LeBron loses his second finals in three years, with another mediocre series to boot.

I can't think of a bigger bailout than that.
You do know that there were 5 seconds left after Allen made that shot, right? Even a miss wouldn't have guaranteed a Miami loss.

[VengefulAngel]

If Allen misses that shot, LeBron loses his second finals in three years, with another mediocre series to boot.

I can't think of a bigger bailout than that.

It was a bailout, but can we stay on topic please, I don't want to have one of those troll threads about who got bailed out more.

[J Shuttlesworth]

If Allen misses that shot, LeBron loses his second finals in three years, with another mediocre series to boot.

I can't think of a bigger bailout than that.
If Jackson doesn't score 30 pts, KD gets backdoor swept the next game in the first round by the 7th seed in his MVP season.... and his game 4 performance would be 15 pts on sub 25% shooting

[russwest0]

You do know that there were 5 seconds left after Allen made that shot, right? Even a miss wouldn't have guaranteed a Miami loss.

How do you keep supporting this guy after his chokejob in 2011 completely changed Wades legacy and how people will remember Wade?

[Spokelahoma]

I'll wait until you realise how you just proved my point.

my bad lol:cheers:

[russwest0]

Remember when Wade was primed to takeover in the 2011 Finals and then LeBron did his usual ball dominating shit to ruin the Heats chances? On one play Lebron literally held the ball down to 3 seconds and then passed it to Chalmers in the corner who got double teamed and turned it over.

Taking a backseat for the W >>>>>>> Dominating the ball and playing like shit.

Deal with it.

Also, best part about this shit was Wades reaction. I need to find a video of that play.

[aj1987]

How do you keep supporting this guy after his chokejob in 2011 completely changed Wades legacy and how people will remember Wade?
Do you not remember '12 and '13? The better question would be, how do you support KD and Westbrick after they ****ed your team in '12, '13, and almost this season as well?

[VengefulAngel]

my bad lol:cheers:
:cheers:
BTW im not saying that Kevin Durant isn't a great player, i am sure that he will be top 20 player in this game. I just don't believe that he's a better basketball player than Lebron James.

[The-Legend-24]

Playing against the Grizz does that

[Spokelahoma]

Do you not remember '12 and '13? The better question would be, how do you support KD and Westbrick after they ****ed your team in '12, '13, and almost this season as well?

ummm...'12 they took us to the finals, and last year was the westbrook injury, so we're not all that unsupportive??

[russwest0]

Do you not remember '12 and '13? The better question would be, how do you support KD and Westbrick after they ****ed your team in '12, '13, and almost this season as well?

2 FMVP's and 4 rings (all for the same franchise) + going for a 5th = top 10 player of alltime and people would actually take you seriously when you act like he is in the same universe as Kobe Bryant.

But he isn't. Because LeBron James in his prime choked his ****ing ass off and ****ed it all up for Wade.

[aj1987]

2 FMVP's and 4 rings (all for the same franchise) + going for a 5th = top 10 player of alltime and people would actually take you seriously when you act like he is in the same universe as Kobe Bryant.

But he isn't. Because LeBron James in his prime choked his ****ing ass off and ****ed it all up for Wade.
Since rings are what define a players' legacy, KD must not even sniff your top 100. Unless he wins 3 rings, he's not even close to being above Wade all time. :cheers:

[Spokelahoma]

:cheers:
BTW im not saying that Kevin Durant isn't a great player, i am sure that he will be top 20 player in this game. I just don't believe that he's a better basketball player than Lebron James.

fair enough opinion. and i misread your last post and made myself look like a retard lol. oh well, my bad

[VengefulAngel]

2 FMVP's and 4 rings (all for the same franchise) + going for a 5th = top 10 player of alltime and people would actually take you seriously when you act like he is in the same universe as Kobe Bryant.

But he isn't. Because LeBron James in his prime choked his ****ing ass off and ****ed it all up for Wade.

I know you've probably heard this a lot. But can you stop posting.

You argue that Lebron's supporting cast is stacked, yet you believe that Kobe Bryant's championship team wasn't stacked either?

[russwest0]

Since rings are what define a players' legacy, KD must not even sniff your top 100. Unless he wins 3 rings, he's not even close to being above Wade all time. :cheers:

You're only proving my point. Deflecting the discussion of the massive hit Wades legacy took in 2011 by bringing up 25 y/o MVP KD...

It's probably a hard topic for Wade stans to think about, (though I don't see many of them so I'm not sure) so I understand your evasion from the topic.

[VengefulAngel]

You're only proving my point. Deflecting the discussion of the massive hit Wades legacy took in 2011 by bringing up 25 y/o MVP KD...

It's probably a hard topic for Wade stans to think about, (though I don't see many of them so I'm not sure) so I understand your evasion from the topic.

you are doing the same to this thread...

[aj1987]

You're only proving my point. Deflecting the discussion of the massive hit Wades legacy took in 2011 by bringing up 25 y/o MVP KD...

It's probably a hard topic for Wade stans to think about, (though I don't see many of them so I'm not sure) so I understand your evasion from the topic.
WTF are you even talking about? Wade was a monster. It's not like he sucked. His legacy is fine. He top 20 all time in a sport which saw thousands of players.

[VengefulAngel]

WTF are you even talking about? Wade was a monster. It's not like he sucked. His legacy is fine. He top 20 all time in a sport which saw thousands of players.

Dwyane Wade's prime was something special, probably one of the most underrated players in the league.

[Keno]

only people who believe those 2 options are hicks and a few kobe stans. nothing to see here.

[Black Mamba's B]

Never seen a player have his legacy saved by a role player like Durant/Jackson in game 4. We've seen bailout shots, but never an entire game saved like that :lol
I've witnessed the MVP of the league get torched by a role player.. Jason Terry/LeKing... Also saw a fat role player play some lock dowm defense on the MVP.. Boris Diaw

[russwest0]

Dwyane Wade's prime was something special, probably one of the most underrated players in the league.

This.

[aj1987]

I've witnessed the MVP of the league get torched by a role player.. Jason Terry/LeKing... Also saw a fat role player play some lock dowm defense on the MVP.. Boris Diaw
I thought Rose was the MVP in '11. Also, didn't LeBron drop a 30 point triple-double and 37 points in Game 7? Dat lockdown defense doe. This is why no one should ever discuss defense with Kobetards.

[VengefulAngel]

update: this ranks 109th out of 194 qualified players. AST/TO ratio

[dubeta]

LeBron got 16 points in the 4th quarter in Game 6 and set his team mates up for shots, played lock down defense and facilitated while controlling the teams offense.

LeBron played his heart out and hit a huge clutch 3 before Allen's 3 to keep the Heats season alive. If LeBron misses nothing Allen does after means anything. LeBron was the main reason the heat were even in the game.

Durant was choking the entire series and needed to be carried by Reggie Jackson for entire quarters at a time, while doing little to nothing else on offense but standing in a corner.

Anyone trying to compare Durant getting carried for an entire game by a role player to Allen hitting a 3 for LeBron needs psychiatric evaluation, to stop posting and re-evaluate their life

[ArbitraryWater]

but but but west!!!!!

doesnt matter how shitty he is, WEST!!!!!!

[VengefulAngel]

LeBron got 16 points in the 4th quarter in Game 6 and set his team mates up for shots, played lock down defense and facilitated while controlling the teams offense.

LeBron played his heart out and hit a huge clutch 3 before Allen's 3 to keep the Heats season alive. If LeBron misses nothing Allen does after means anything. LeBron was the main reason the heat were even in the game.

Durant was choking the entire series and needed to be carried by Reggie Jackson for entire quarters at a time, while doing little to nothing else on offense but standing in a corner.

Anyone trying to compare Durant getting carried for an entire game by a role player to Allen hitting a 3 for LeBron needs psychiatric evaluation, to stop posting and re-evaluate their life

Repped, great post dude :)

[aboss4real24]

http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/jesus-shuttlesworth-ray-allen-three-pointer-570x423.jpg

ray allen is a hofr...

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Lol and LeBron James avg 4.0 TPG vs Memphis this season.

Did you know that?
shut up ***, he also averaged more assists then turnovers.
he also played without wade one game:no:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron got 16 points in the 4th quarter in Game 6 and set his team mates up for shots, played lock down defense and facilitated while controlling the teams offense.

LeBron played his heart out and hit a huge clutch 3 before Allen's 3 to keep the Heats season alive. If LeBron misses nothing Allen does after means anything. LeBron was the main reason the heat were even in the game.

Durant was choking the entire series and needed to be carried by Reggie Jackson for entire quarters at a time, while doing little to nothing else on offense but standing in a corner.

Anyone trying to compare Durant getting carried for an entire game by a role player to Allen hitting a 3 for LeBron needs psychiatric evaluation, to stop posting and re-evaluate their life
Dubeta will never win a ring as long as alphas like lebron and griffin are around.
not even with pathetic rigging:banana: :banana: