f*ck republicans

[Jameerthefear]

blocking minimum wage going up :facepalm

[Relinquish]

blocking minimum wage going up :facepalm

goddamn :facepalm

[longhornfan1234]

Lol at unskilled workers.

[Derka]

Umad?

[Jameerthefear]

Umad?
Duh.

[senelcoolidge]

:facepalm what happens when you raise minimum wage..inflation..prices go up so it doesn't matter. plus companies will have to cut hours and jobs eventually if it's too high. So f*ck the people that want to raise minimum wage because it's just going to f*ck everybody.

[KingBeasley08]

Doesn't really make a difference for either way kid. If minimum wage did rise, unskilled teenage kids like you would be the first people to be cut by employers

[shlver]

Why? and especially why "****" republicans?
Don't say "****" republicans because you barely have an understanding of what's going to happen if we raise the minimum wage to $15.
Teenage arrogance mixed with so much ignorance.

[Boarder Patrol]

Agree that we should raise minimum wage.

Helps the economy, since people make more money, spend more money, businesses grow. Really not an argument against it.

[Jameerthefear]

Why? and especially why "****" republicans?
Don't say "****" republicans because you barely have an understanding of what's going to happen if we raise the minimum wage to $15.
You are 100% right. I have no idea how any of this stuff works :lol
I just want to make more money.

[shlver]

You are 100% right. I have no idea how any of this stuff works :lol
I just want to make more money.
Exactly.
The minimum wage should not be raised for good reasons. I'm on my phone so I won't elaborate on it. But in short, it would **** local state economies and even wipe out entire industries.

[secund2nun]

:facepalm what happens when you raise minimum wage..inflation..prices go up so it doesn't matter. plus companies will have to cut hours and jobs eventually if it's too high. So f*ck the people that want to raise minimum wage because it's just going to f*ck everybody.

LOL

Higher wages are good. F*ck the greedy corporations and banks for stealing all of the money. America is one of the most pathetic first world nations out there.

We need to go after these piece of shit greedy billionaires that control DC and rig the system in their favor.

The min wage should be a living wage.

[Mr. Jabbar]

op doesn't know how the economy works, shocking..

it doesn't matter how high the min wage is if you're unemployed

[Mr. Jabbar]

can't blame jameer for fighting to rise his salary ceiling tho :applause:

[Maniak]

LOL

Higher wages are good. F*ck the greedy corporations and banks for stealing all of the money. America is one of the most pathetic first world nations out there.

We need to go after these piece of shit greedy billionaires that control DC and rig the system in their favor.

The min wage should be a living wage.
good luck with that.

[Patrick Chewing]

op doesn't know how the economy works, shocking..

it doesn't matter how high the min wage is if you're unemployed

OP's a ****tard inbred

[COnDEMnED]

Agree that we should raise minimum wage.

Helps the economy, since people make more money, spend more money, businesses grow. Really not an argument against it.
The argument against it is once minimum wage gets raised, so does the price of everything else. Essentially you get paid more, but everything costs more too, meaning you don't really have any financial gain. It's an illusion used by smart people to make dumb people think they get more money. The reality is, if everyone got a minimum wage of 100 bucks an hour, the price for a video game on the PS4 would be something like 850 bucks. But hey!! At least I get 100 bucks an hour right?

[Patrick Chewing]

The argument against it is once minimum wage gets raised, so does the price of everything else. Essentially you get paid more, but everything costs more too, meaning you don't really have any financial gain. It's an illusion used by smart people to make dumb people think they get more money. The reality is, if everyone got a minimum wage of 100 bucks an hour, the price for a video game on the PS4 would be something like 850 bucks. But hey!! At least I get 100 bucks an hour right?

Exactly. Brainless fools honestly think that raising the minimum wage is going to matter. When businesses realize that more people can afford their product, what do you think they're going to do?? Raise the prices!

[russwest0]

both parties suck total dick

but yeah it would have been nice if they raised minimum wage

[GimmeThat]

Probably will get passed soon

If not, not sure why the Republicans are helping Obama/Democrats for making a case on his 3rd term. Indirectly taming the National debt.

There's responsible people, then there's overtly responsible people.

:pimp:

[Vienceslav]

http://blogs.yis.ac.jp/14webbk/files/2013/01/figur3-sm9t8k.gif

[Lakers Legend#32]

Thunder fans keep voting GOP against their economic interests.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Problem here is good economic measures are always long term, and politicians prefer to work for the next election with short-term high impact measures that don't solve shit but please ignorant minds.

[TonyMontana]

The problem isn't "republicans" or another political group.

The problem is these top CEOs, bankers, and other corrupt dickheads(a large majority of which are jewish). The wealth disparity is outrageous in the States and it is getting worse by the year. They have all of the power. Should a law pass that raises the minumum wage what do you think these guys will do? They are going to simply cut workers and make the bottom of the barrell workers that they do retain do MUCH more work to make up for the cutback on unskilled workers. THat or they will pay illegals or use south asian labor.

These guys will be cutting costs either way so that they can maximize their own personal fortunes. Need to stop looking at issues like "the minumum wage" and look at the real problem.

[kNIOKAS]

The argument against it is once minimum wage gets raised, so does the price of everything else. Essentially you get paid more, but everything costs more too, meaning you don't really have any financial gain. It's an illusion used by smart people to make dumb people think they get more money. The reality is, if everyone got a minimum wage of 100 bucks an hour, the price for a video game on the PS4 would be something like 850 bucks. But hey!! At least I get 100 bucks an hour right?
Why would you think so? It would mainly effect industries that rely on minimum wage jobs. There was a video claiming Walmart would have to raise the prices of products on shelves by 1 cent. That wouldn't do much, would it?

Video gaming industries are really not the example you want to use. Do IT and earn minimum wage? No, not really.


http://blogs.yis.ac.jp/14webbk/files/2013/01/figur3-sm9t8k.gif
Very well, now suppose current minimum wage is below the equilibrium, and raising it would get the wage close to the equilibrium.

[Lonely_Sandberg]

blocking minimum wage going up :facepalm

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/42517215.jpg

[Mr. Jabbar]

The problem isn't "republicans" or another political group.

The problem is these top CEOs, bankers, and other corrupt dickheads(a large majority of which are jewish). The wealth disparity is outrageous in the States and it is getting worse by the year. They have all of the power. Should a law pass that raises the minumum wage what do you think these guys will do? They are going to simply cut workers and make the bottom of the barrell workers that they do retain do MUCH more work to make up for the cutback on unskilled workers. THat or they will pay illegals or use south asian labor.

These guys will be cutting costs either way so that they can maximize their own personal fortunes. Need to stop looking at issues like "the minumum wage" and look at the real problem.

wealth disparity isn't just a USA thing, it comes with capitalism, every capitalist country has it. its part of it. socialist and communist systems handle that issue (by giving away capitalists money until they ran out of it, then the system collapses :oldlol: )

bottom line, if you wanna share wealth, somebody has to produce it, and how are you gonna produce it if you are not motivated cause the fruit of your work is being taken away?

[kNIOKAS]

wealth disparity isn't just a USA thing, it comes with capitalism, every capitalist country has it. its part of it. socialist and communist systems handle that issue (by giving away capitalists money until they ran out of it, then the system collapses :oldlol: )

bottom line, if you wanna share wealth, somebody has to produce it, and how are you gonna produce it if you are not motivated cause the fruit of your work is being taken away?
Workforce is producing the wealth. They must be barely motivated since good part of their wage isn't being paid.

[Vienceslav]

Very well, now suppose current minimum wage is below the equilibrium, and raising it would get the wage close to the equilibrium.
That's entirely possible, I was just posting the graph so people can draw their own conclusions from it.
It must be noted that these theories are not exact science and these Economy 101 scenarios are simplified for the sake of rudimentary understanding, but sometimes I think the politicians lack even this basic knowledge and base their positions on mantra presented to them by someone without ever questioning how they reached their conclusion.

[Lonely_Sandberg]

OP was hoping for this:

http://12.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kret9sSo6f1qzvjmyo1_500.png

[Mr. Jabbar]

Workforce is producing the wealth. They must be barely motivated since good part of their wage isn't being paid.

if your not happy with your wage you can always look for another job, or you can come up with a business idea yourself ive heard its easy :oldlol: , however, if you succeed, and min wage is raised too much you may have to fire ppl or shut down if you're profit margins are in red. big companies can absorb that stuff, its usually small to mid size companies that take the biggest blow, the ones that account for the majority of the jobs.

also, wealth is not produced by the workforce, workforce builds products. wealth is generated by selling products some guy came up with the idea other ppl would want/need. agreed none can exist without the other, but theres far less ppl able to do the thinking hence they're more valued

[kNIOKAS]

if your not happy with your wage you can always look for another job, or you can come up with a business idea yourself ive heard its easy :oldlol: , however, if you succeed, and min wage is raised too much you may have to fire ppl or shut down if you're profit margins are in red. big companies can absorb that stuff, its usually small to mid size companies that take the biggest blow, the ones that account for the majority of the jobs.

also, wealth is not produced by the workforce, workforce builds products. wealth is generated by selling products some guy came up with the idea other ppl would want/need. agreed none can exist without the other, but theres far less ppl able to do the thinking hence they're more valued
What a genius idea to bribe the government and run a monopoly? Or be a big company and push a legislation so that small business cannot compete with you?

People certainly need predatory mortgages, that's probably why the guy who came up with that idea is filthy rich now.

[becken]

OP was hoping for this:

http://12.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kret9sSo6f1qzvjmyo1_500.png
:banana: :banana:

[Myth]

I don't know the stats on how minimum wage impacts the economy and such, but my fear is that if you raise the minimum wage, inflation increases the price of everyday items needed for living, and the jobless get really f*cked.

[ZenMaster]

wealth disparity isn't just a USA thing, it comes with capitalism, every capitalist country has it. its part of it. socialist and communist systems handle that issue (by giving away capitalists money until they ran out of it, then the system collapses :oldlol: )

bottom line, if you wanna share wealth, somebody has to produce it, and how are you gonna produce it if you are not motivated cause the fruit of your work is being taken away?

In other Western countries with a higher minimum wage the wealth disparity isn't as high as the US.

Wallmart had 17 billion in profits last year, you don't think 10 is enough for a company like that? Or 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 or 16?

"oh but they get taxed more", yeah but that tax is also used to offset that many of their workers need to be in government help programs like foodstamps.
Then you make quick and easily available loans for them, like credit cards, and THEN you really have them ready to fleece.

It's a vicious circle that makes it possible for lots of people putting in full work weeks to feel like shit because of their minimal pay.

[Jailblazers7]

Exactly.
The minimum wage should not be raised for good reasons. I'm on my phone so I won't elaborate on it. But in short, it would **** local state economies and even wipe out entire industries.

Seriously? I'd like to hear any rationale or see any research that has lead you to believe that. Maybe you have good reasons for holding that opinion but it sounds like fearmongering to me.

[Akrazotile]

In other Western countries with a higher minimum wage the wealth disparity isn't as high as the US.

Wallmart had 17 billion in profits last year, you don't think 10 is enough for a company like that? Or 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 or 16?

"oh but they get taxed more", yeah but that tax is also used to offset that many of their workers need to be in government help programs like foodstamps.
It's a vicious circle that makes it possible for lots of people putting in full work weeks to feel like shit because of their minimal pay.


Walmart is a corporation with investors big and small. All of these people have invested their own money into the company, in order to receive a share of its value.

This includes middle class people. Construction workers, restaurant managers, postal employees, small business owners, traffic cops. Many of their personal finances include shares in corporations like walmart. These people are not choosing whether to receive 17 billion or 10 billion in return on their investment, but it may mean whether they get to put another $500 in their retirement fund for that year or not. A corporation is not just 1 guy getting all the profits and all the employees getting wages. Many "regular" employees themselves have shares in the company.


Corporations do not just say "Hey, we're already making some money, lets not get carried away! Tell the CFO to see what he can do about reducing these pesky profits!" They arent even legally ALLOWED to do that because they have an obligation to shareholders.


Honestly, the ignorance in this thread is very unfortunate.

[ZenMaster]

Walmart is a corporation with investors big and small. All of these people have invested their own money into the company, in order to receive a share of its value.

This includes middle class people. Construction workers, restaurant managers, postal employees, small business owners, traffic cops. Many of their personal finances include shares in corporations like walmart. These people are not choosing whether to receive 17 billion or 10 billion in return on their investment, but it may mean whether they get to put another $500 in their retirement fund for that year or not. A corporation is not just 1 guy getting all the profits and all the employees getting wages. Many "regular" employees themselves have shares in the company.


Corporations do not just say "Hey, we're already making some money, lets not get carried away! Tell the CFO to see what he can do about reducing these pesky profits!" They arent even legally ALLOWED to do that because they have an obligation to shareholders.


Honestly, the ignorance in this thread is very unfortunate.

Your opinion is a theory that doesn't hold up for a balanced society.
You can talk about hard working middle-class people putting an extra 500 into their account because of Wallmart stocks, meanwhile there are four from the Wallmart family in the Forbes top 100, combined those four have a networth of around 150 billion dollar. That's reality.

The way to get to more balance is up for discussion, personally I think a higher minimum raise should be negotiated by unions and not something set forth from the government. But that probably isn't possible.

[DukeDelonte13]

Walmart is a corporation with investors big and small. All of these people have invested their own money into the company, in order to receive a share of its value.

This includes middle class people. Construction workers, restaurant managers, postal employees, small business owners, traffic cops. Many of their personal finances include shares in corporations like walmart. These people are not choosing whether to receive 17 billion or 10 billion in return on their investment, but it may mean whether they get to put another $500 in their retirement fund for that year or not. A corporation is not just 1 guy getting all the profits and all the employees getting wages. Many "regular" employees themselves have shares in the company.


Corporations do not just say "Hey, we're already making some money, lets not get carried away! Tell the CFO to see what he can do about reducing these pesky profits!" They arent even legally ALLOWED to do that because they have an obligation to shareholders.


Honestly, the ignorance in this thread is very unfortunate.



No, its usually a number of top level executives. Their salaries are "low" but their bonuses based on profit are monstrous. Companies aren't obligated to pay out their profits as dividends. Corporate Boards legally have tons of discretion to do almost whatever the hell they want to do. It's true that there are obligations to shareholders, but american law protects corporations from making business decisions. Boards aren't going to be held liable for breaching a duty to shareholders if the decision that was made was thought to be what was best for the company. They can choose to pay themselves large bonuses rather than distribute the profits to shareholders. Companies do so all the time.

[kNIOKAS]

Walmart is a corporation with investors big and small. All of these people have invested their own money into the company, in order to receive a share of its value.

This includes middle class people. Construction workers, restaurant managers, postal employees, small business owners, traffic cops. Many of their personal finances include shares in corporations like walmart. These people are not choosing whether to receive 17 billion or 10 billion in return on their investment, but it may mean whether they get to put another $500 in their retirement fund for that year or not. A corporation is not just 1 guy getting all the profits and all the employees getting wages. Many "regular" employees themselves have shares in the company.


Corporations do not just say "Hey, we're already making some money, lets not get carried away! Tell the CFO to see what he can do about reducing these pesky profits!" They arent even legally ALLOWED to do that because they have an obligation to shareholders.


Honestly, the ignorance in this thread is very unfortunate.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.dailyfinance.com/media/2013/03/xactual-wealth-604cs030413.jpg.pagespeed.ic.Dia-Pa8jZO.jpg

Yeah well. The middle class is hanging on that corporate wealth not letting anybody close to it.

[Akrazotile]

Your opinion is a theory that doesn't hold up for a balanced society.
You can talk about hard working middle-class people putting an extra 500 into their account because of Wallmart stocks, meanwhile there are four from the Wallmart family in the Forbes top 100, combined those four have a networth of around 150 billion dollar.


What is your point? People are allowed to make money in America.


And if you don't like the Walmart structure, dont shop there. Vote with your purse. But of course, when it comes to saving a few dollars, I'm sure YOU have every excuse in the book ready as to why its ok for you to be concerned about your pocketbook instead of "principle" but its not ok for the guy who makes more than you.

Why arent you concerned about what YOU can DO? Why dont you go out there and make a bullion dollars and then set up a support fund for minimum wage workers that all middle class liberals can donate to? Why dont you start a company and keep an $80,000 salary as the CEO even if the company blows up and becomes mega profittable.



Oh, wait. Thats right. You dont wanna do any of the work to see these ideas through. You want to play arm-chair moral guy. "Hey, you!" you shout from your recliner. "I dont like how much money you got! Give some to that guy! And you over there, share some of yours with this guy."

Wow, look how totally humanitarian and altrustic you are. The arm chair robin hood. How wonderfully impressive.

Its funny, bankers get criticized for just "pushing money from one pile to another" but liberals pat the selves on the back for it :oldlol:

[DukeDelonte13]

What is your point? People are allowed to make money in America.


And if you don't like the Walmart structure, dont shop there. Vote with your purse. But of course, when it comes to saving a few dollars, I'm sure YOU have every excuse in the book ready as to why its ok for you to be concerned about your pocketbook instead of "principle" but its not ok for the guy who makes more than you.

Why arent you concerned about what YOU can DO? Why dont you go out there and make a bullion dollars and then set up a support fund for minimum wage workers that all middle class liberals can donate to? Why dont you start a company and keep an $80,000 salary as the CEO even if the company blows up and becomes mega profittable.



Oh, wait. Thats right. You dont wanna do any of the work to see these ideas through. You want to play arm-chair moral guy. "Hey, you!" you shout from your recliner. "I dont like how much money you got! Give some to that guy! And you over there, share some of yours with this guy."

Wow, look how totally humanitarian and altrustic you are. The arm chair robin hood. How wonderfully impressive.

Its funny, bankers get criticized for just "pushing money from one pile to another" but liberals pat the selves on the back for it :oldlol:


:oldlol: that's sounds like something a grumpy senile old man would say.

[kNIOKAS]

What is your point? People are allowed to make money in America.


And if you don't like the Walmart structure, dont shop there. Vote with your purse. But of course, when it comes to saving a few dollars, I'm sure YOU have every excuse in the book ready as to why its ok for you to be concerned about your pocketbook instead of "principle" but its not ok for the guy who makes more than you.

Why arent you concerned about what YOU can DO? Why dont you go out there and make a bullion dollars and then set up a support fund for minimum wage workers that all middle class liberals can donate to? Why dont you start a company and keep an $80,000 salary as the CEO even if the company blows up and becomes mega profittable.



Oh, wait. Thats right. You dont wanna do any of the work to see these ideas through. You want to play arm-chair moral guy. "Hey, you!" you shout from your recliner. "I dont like how much money you got! Give some to that guy! And you over there, share some of yours with this guy."

Wow, look how totally humanitarian and altrustic you are. The arm chair robin hood. How wonderfully impressive.

Its funny, bankers get criticized for just "pushing money from one pile to another" but liberals pat the selves on the back for it :oldlol:
What made you a feeble sociopath?

[Akrazotile]

No, its usually a number of top level executives. Their salaries are "low" but their bonuses based on profit are monstrous. Companies aren't obligated to pay out their profits as dividends. Corporate Boards legally have tons of discretion to do almost whatever the hell they want to do. It's true that there are obligations to shareholders, but american law protects corporations from making business decisions. Boards aren't going to be held liable for breaching a duty to shareholders if the decision that was made was thought to be what was best for the company. They can choose to pay themselves large bonuses rather than distribute the profits to shareholders. Companies do so all the time.

But thats my point, corporations can justify big bonuses during times of profit because they can say "these were the people at the helm when we got these results, we need to keep an incentive for them to stay. We cant be cheap and lose talent to competitors." Itd be like offering Lebron less than the minimum. Its a bad business decision. These 99% dont complain from an economic standpoint when Westbrook or Harden or Love get max deals in basketball. But theyre not at the top of the curve with Durant and Lebron from an impact standpoint. Shouldnt some of thise millions of dollars go to orphans somewhere instead? Oh, right, its only when yacht-riding, polo playing white sweater white guys make big coin that its "wrong."


But anyway my point is that you can justify big bonuses as a legit corporate expense. Just simply saying "We're gonna pay entry level employees, many of whom quit after three weeks, some of whom show up late, are rude to customers, are barely competent etc more than we need to 'just because' it makes hippies sleeping on the wall street lawn feel important" is not gonna fly with shareholders. People making the minimum get a CHANCE to earn their way up. You dont think Walmart gives raises? You dont think they promote people to assistant manager, and manager, and regional manager, and board member etc?


People like zenmaster are just in denial that everything isnt always easy for everybody. Dont worry, I felt the same way when I was 19. I thought everything was so unfair and I didnt see why we didnt just make any law necessary to prevent people from being poor. As you gain experience and perspective youre suppose to grow out of that fantasy and understand why its impossible. I guess some people just never do.

[DukeDelonte13]

But thats my point, corporations can justify big bonuses during times of profit because they can say "these were the people at the helm when we got these results, we need to keep an incentive for them to stay. We cant be cheap and lose talent to competitors." Itd be like offering Lebron less than the minimum. Its a bad business decision. These 99% dont complain from an economic standpoint when Westbrook or Harden or Love get max deals in basketball. But theyre not at the top of the curve with Durant and Lebron from an impact standpoint. Shouldnt some of thise millions of dollars go to orphans somewhere instead? Oh, right, its only when yacht-riding, polo playing white sweater white guys make big coin that its "wrong."


But anyway my point is that you can justify big bonuses as a legit corporate expense. Just simply saying "We're gonna pay entry level employees, many of whom quit after three weeks, some of whom show up late, are rude to customers, are barely competent etc more than we need to 'just because' it makes hippies sleeping on the wall street lawn feel important" is not gonna fly with shareholders. People making the minimum get a CHANCE to earn their way up. You dont think Walmart gives raises? You dont think they promote people to assistant manager, and manager, and regional manager, and board member etc?


People like zenmaster are just in denial that everything isnt always easy for everybody. Dont worry, I felt the same way when I was 19. I thought everything was so unfair and I didnt see why we didnt just make any law necessary to prevent people from being poor. As you gain experience and perspective youre suppose to grow out of that fantasy and understand why its impossible. I guess some people just never do.



People that have been working at Walmart for years make what, 9 bucks an hour instead of 7?

But you just gave the chicken and egg type of argument, Why should we pay more than 7 bucks an hour if our workers are all sh*tty? Why not, maybe if we pay more people will wanna work at our place and we'll get a better quality of worker to choose from?

There are plenty of retailers that pay living wages, some union, some non union, and they survive. IMO it's a poor decision to pay your workers the bare minimum, because that's what you will attract.

I run a business, I pay my support staff fair wages with bonuses. I could post an add for a secretary for 8.50 an hour, and i'm sure i can get somebody to take the job for that rate, but what the f*ck type of secretary am I gonna get for that?

[Akrazotile]

People that have been working at Walmart for years make what, 9 bucks an hour instead of 7?

But you just gave the chicken and egg type of argument, Why should we pay more than 7 bucks an hour if our workers are all sh*tty? Why not, maybe if we pay more people will wanna work at our place and we'll get a better quality of worker to choose from?

There are plenty of retailers that pay living wages, some union, some non union, and they survive. IMO it's a poor decision to pay your workers the bare minimum, because that's what you will attract.

I run a business, I pay my support staff fair wages with bonuses. I could post an add for a secretary for 8.50 an hour, and i'm sure i can get somebody to take the job for that rate, but what the f*ck type of secretary am I gonna get for that?


You have far fewer people to comb through than Walmart. It's easy to conduct a thorough search for the right candidate when youve only got a handful of spots to fill.

Places like Walmart have CONSTANT turnover on huge scales. Paying all the teenagers who are just gonna stop showing up in three weeks extra money to walk around the aisles and slack off for those three weeks makes no sense. People start at the bottom, and work there way up.

These people youre portraying, who toil for years and only go from 7 dollars to 9.... What else are they doing to move up? Surely they cant be unhappy with their wages or theyd have taken a loan and gone to school, or worked a second job on the side for money. Or just found a better paying job.

With the internet today, you can do anything on the side for money. Fix cars, give massages, mow lawns, tutor kids and so forth. Its easier to provide an individual service now bc you can do it cheaper than a company and all you have to do is post it on craigslist. The opportunity for secondary income is fantastic. How many people take that initiative?


You are doing what many liberals do, which is take the minimum wage, and falsely pretend like most people who make it are hard working, disciplined, honest Americans struggling to move up. When in fact its kids still living with mom and dad, married women working a job to supplement household income, starving artists hoping for their big break, immigrants with language barriers, random people who just like what they do and dont care about economic status, and so forth.


Where are these hardworking mid-30s family men making minimum? Who are they? Describe one. I made more than minimum selling shoes at macys. Car sales an make more than min. Hell waiters who get tips make more. Postal jobs, garbage men, security guards, oilfield, etc all these jobs do not require a degree, just some basic competence and hard work. You can support a family on them between your income and available govt programs. I know people who do it.


This crying about min wage is such a strawman, acting like its people who are doing all they can to survive and support a family. Its not. Those arent the people making minimum. Liberals just need something to cry over, so they create a false perception.

[The Iron Sheik]

the turnover in Walmart is so high because the pay sucks. people would be more willing to deal with the bullshit that comes in retail or fast food or customer service if at the end of the bi-week they didn't have to choose between eating and catching up on their gas & electric bill. there's also high turnover because there isn't a ton of room for advancement for lots of people and is just an entry level position for most. how many entry level jobs that aren't in a specialized field don't have high turnover?

why did you quit Macy's btw?

[KevinNYC]

Why? and especially why "****" republicans?
Don't say "****" republicans because you barely have an understanding of what's going to happen if we raise the minimum wage to $15.
Teenage arrogance mixed with so much ignorance.

Was it going to $15? The federal mininum?

[Jailblazers7]

Was it going to $15? The federal mininum?

I think he just got confused by all of the Seattle stories. Federal was only going to increase to $10, correct?

[D-FENS]

blocking minimum wage going up :facepalm

Haha, **** you. Keep being a cog, we need more cogs in the machine.

[Akrazotile]

Also why do people ack like making min wage is anyones only opportunity for income? A huge number of people making low wage income receive thousands each year in government subsidies. Tax credits, food stamps, section 8 apartment vouchers, medicaid, public transit discounts.

If you take the per-person cost of what anyone making minimum wage can apply for and receive and ADD that to their overall wage income, and divide by the number of hours they worked, it's well above minimum wage.


But again, that doesnt fit the bleeding heart narrative, so it rarely gets mentioned when the talking points are being regurgitated.

[The Iron Sheik]

Also why do people ack like making min wage is anyones only opportunity for income? A huge number of people making low wage income receive thousands each year in government subsidies. Tax credits, food stamps, section 8 apartment vouchers, medicaid, public transit discounts.

If you take the per-person cost of what anyone making minimum wage can apply for and receive and ADD that to their overall wage income, and divide by the number of hours they worked, it's well above minimum wage.


But again, that doesnt fit the bleeding heart narrative, so it rarely gets mentioned when the talking points are being regurgitated.

would you rather make $7.95 an hour (my state's min wage) and get those things (which aren't guaranteed btw, at least not in their full capacity) or make $10.10 an hour ($15 in Seattle's case)?

[GimmeThat]

I wish life was all about how you make money, and nothing to do with how you spent it.

At least we might have a chance to fix the wealth disparity



Wait.

(please do not quote or reply to this post, because it just means you lack any good sense of humor)

[DukeDelonte13]

Also why do people ack like making min wage is anyones only opportunity for income? A huge number of people making low wage income receive thousands each year in government subsidies. Tax credits, food stamps, section 8 apartment vouchers, medicaid, public transit discounts.

If you take the per-person cost of what anyone making minimum wage can apply for and receive and ADD that to their overall wage income, and divide by the number of hours they worked, it's well above minimum wage.


But again, that doesnt fit the bleeding heart narrative, so it rarely gets mentioned when the talking points are being regurgitated.


the whole idea is to force companies to bear that cost not the taxpayers. You have no problem with Walmart creating a workforce dependent on social services... that doesn't and shouldn't fit a conservative ideal.

[Akrazotile]

the whole idea is to force companies to bear that cost not the taxpayers. You have no problem with Walmart creating a workforce dependent on social services... that doesn't and shouldn't fit a conservative ideal.


"Walmart" is not creating that. Peoples lifestyle choices are creating that. Once again, a 35 year old husband and father of two working for minimum wage at walmart and collecting government subsidy? Thats not Walmarts fault, thats THE PERSONS FAULT.

Again, Walmarts min wage workforce SHOULD be teenagers, spouses working part time to supplement income, or young professionals aspiring to work their way up through walmart management over time. Being a cashier is not a CAREER and no mandate should force it to pay like one.


If I drop out of high school, spend 10 years in my moms basement drinkig and playing video games, then suddenly mom kicks me of and I need money? Thats not anyone elses problem. What did I ever do for society that now they owe me something? How many hundreds of years have people made their own way under much more trying conditions without all the social welfare programs out there now for adults whove been coddled to still have a juvenile mentality and expect to be handed the world in exchange for pushing buttons on a cash register. Dude, being a cashier is NOT A CAREER. Just becuse some people out there want to settle for that all their life doesnt mean its society or WALMARTS responsibility to pay as if it were. There is too much supply for it. It is completely unskilled. If you went from 15-30 years of age and dont have ONE DAMN SKILL that is YOUR problem. And if someone feels bad for you and wants to help, that needs to be their personal charity. Not the government's, not Walmart's.

[Godzuki]

Well considering many companies have tightened up their jobs available since the recession and got rid of a lot of the jobs they considered non essential(i've seen many long time 'managers' fired in the last few years~), including the government which have been downsizing as well as giving much lesser pay packages of late, i'll be surprised if there are going to be many jobs available at a $10-15 min wage.

I also find this idea that minimum wage workers have 'earned' it not true. Most i see are the least motivated, least people skilled, and are at the bottom for a reason. When i go to Walmart, half of them are talking amongst themselves, or sitting outside on a bench while i'm loading a TV and they're just watching me.... To even get someone from the deli to come and slice me meats takes 5-10 minutes despite them having over 20+ employee's in their store. When i go to Walmart(mega 24hour Walmart near me), lets just say most of them are lazy as fukk and barely doing their job. I have more sympathy for a guy at McDonalds than Walmart tbh. at least dude is sweating and busting his ass during lunch hour.

Don't even get me started on delivery people who just drive from point A to B delivering shit, and these guys complain so much about tips like they're doing you this HUGE favor where people make it out like they're working so hard. I know they get a ton of sympathy here but DRIVING IS NOT HARD. Its probably the easiest job you can get so long as you're not driving tractor trailers and stuff like that.

I'll probably get attacked and hated for saying this but i swear its the people who seem to do the least that want/expect the most, and make it out like they deserve so much more. I delivered pizza when i was in HS, and 3/4's of us were high listening to music delivering, and other than being in a car for so long, it was the easiest job ever. Even in Walmart i see greeters who just sit all day checking receipts or waving to customers. Not saying there aren't people working and maybe some working hard, but i swear the way people portray how they 'deserve' to make more.....i just don't see it. They're called entry level jobs for a reason, and i feel like truly motivated, good employee's will either move up or find better jobs, while the rest deserve to be where they're at. People can hate me all they want for saying this, but i swear most low end employee's i've run across don't deserve a raise whatsoever.

[The Iron Sheik]

that's the problem: there's no 1 party's "fault" in the collective poverty in America. but if one doesn't even have an adequate base off of which to build, how can they get anywhere? in a world where we have unequal ability and circumstances, you can't just expect everyone to always just makes shit happen on their own. the world doesn't work like that.

no one in this thread contributes anything meaningful to society. that is, they could die today and the world would not be affected in the least bit. does that mean that the lowest form of employment shouldn't be able to provide an adequate level of living for them? a lot of people aren't going to be where they want in life. they should at least be able to be a self sustaining adult. a shitty situation can foster a shitty attitude.

[ZenMaster]

What is your point? People are allowed to make money in America.


And if you don't like the Walmart structure, dont shop there. Vote with your purse. But of course, when it comes to saving a few dollars, I'm sure YOU have every excuse in the book ready as to why its ok for you to be concerned about your pocketbook instead of "principle" but its not ok for the guy who makes more than you.

Why arent you concerned about what YOU can DO? Why dont you go out there and make a bullion dollars and then set up a support fund for minimum wage workers that all middle class liberals can donate to? Why dont you start a company and keep an $80,000 salary as the CEO even if the company blows up and becomes mega profittable.



Oh, wait. Thats right. You dont wanna do any of the work to see these ideas through. You want to play arm-chair moral guy. "Hey, you!" you shout from your recliner. "I dont like how much money you got! Give some to that guy! And you over there, share some of yours with this guy."

Wow, look how totally humanitarian and altrustic you are. The arm chair robin hood. How wonderfully impressive.

Its funny, bankers get criticized for just "pushing money from one pile to another" but liberals pat the selves on the back for it :oldlol:

Your retoric is such BS and thus completely rooted in hardcore theory, that's the reason you have to turn it upside down and go to the extreme saying that I'M the one claiming "you're not allowed to make money in America".

I don't live in the US, I have but not anymore, the places I do my daily shopping I know the people who work there make at least 20$/hr with 10% off when they shop there themselves. They don't live beneath the poverty line, so I don't need to feel bad about where I shop.

"why don't you start your own company and never pay more than 80K to yourself" - again you have to take it to the extreme, did I ever say nobody should make more than 80K?
No I didn't and it's because we're talking about people who make BILLIONS, and quite a few off them might I add, through companies that mainly employ minimum wage workers. The four heirs to Wallmart I saw on Forbes each had around 35 billion net worth, for a regular person consumption that is an infinite amount of money.


Oh, wait. Thats right. You dont wanna do any of the work to see these ideas through. You want to play arm-chair moral guy. "Hey, you!" you shout from your recliner. "I dont like how much money you got! Give some to that guy! And you over there, share some of yours with this guy."

Wow, look how totally humanitarian and altrustic you are. The arm chair robin hood. How wonderfully impressive.

No, I'm not saying "I don't like how much money you got! Give some to that guy!"
I'm saying set up the rules for society so the first person would never get THAT much to being with.

Sure in theory everyone should make as much as they can, but given just how big business it is to prey on relative poor Americans it won't work over long time, not as an united nation.
1% holds 40% of the American wealth today and there are a lot of problems because of it, how's your country going to look like in 25 years when 1% holds 60% of the wealth, or 25 years after that when the number is at 75%?
"It's OK, we'll just tax them"(using the leniant rules the wealthy themsevelves paid lobbyists to make happen).

[GimmeThat]

the whole idea is to force companies to bear that cost not the taxpayers. You have no problem with Walmart creating a workforce dependent on social services... that doesn't and shouldn't fit a conservative ideal.

Walmart didn't create a workforce dependent on social services. Walmart had jobs that paid at wages for teenagers/students, old retirees etc. Walmart may had inherited a workforce who can't create a career path for their own.

That isn't their fault.

Listen, even WHEN the government raises the minimum wage. In just about 2 or 3, maximum 4 election cycles.

we'll come back to bitching at how companies at Walmart are creating a workforce dependent on social services because of inflation etc.

when again, no, Walmart had inherited the wages set by the government, by the people who will take them and work there and not focus on being promoted and left with wages dependent on social services.

[Jailblazers7]

I don't know who repped me in this thread but you were right about me turning into a dick. Seriously, thanks for the wake up call.

[Akrazotile]

I don't know who repped me in this thread but you were right about me turning into a dick. Seriously, thanks for the wake up call.


Youre welcome.

[kNIOKAS]

People like zenmaster are just in denial that everything isnt always easy for everybody. Dont worry, I felt the same way when I was 19. I thought everything was so unfair and I didnt see why we didnt just make any law necessary to prevent people from being poor. As you gain experience and perspective youre suppose to grow out of that fantasy and understand why its impossible. I guess some people just never do.
You talk like you're 20 now, and deteriorated, too... :facepalm

[shlver]

Seriously? I'd like to hear any rationale or see any research that has lead you to believe that. Maybe you have good reasons for holding that opinion but it sounds like fearmongering to me.
First we need to clarify what the federal minimum wage should be. A completely objective point of view would be the minimum wage should be a reference point to A) prevent exploitation of teenagers/the elderly and B) mandate a federal wage for people with a very limited skillset. The minimum wage is basically meaningless other than a reference point. Most states have minimum wages that deviate from the federal one because wages are simply a product of supply and demand and state and local city economies are very different from each other.

Now it is fairly obvious that setting a higher federal minimum wage would cause short term business decisions that would have immediate effects. An example would be here in Reno, the gambling/hotel industry in Reno is having an incredibly difficult time due to tourism being at a low point. Workers and hours would most definitely be cut if the minimum wage was raise. Another example is the student worker industry. Many undergraduate students make close to $8-9 dollars in labs to GAIN experience. Research labs have huge overhead in operating costs and increasing the minimum wage would make it worse. No one with the ability to gain skills, educate themselves, and improve themselves will work a minimum wage job. Very few places offer minimum wage because people simply do not want to work for minimum wage.
Shutting down entire industries might have been hyperbole, but I can see it happening in certain areas if $15 was mandated at a federal level. Leave this decision to the states.

[Akrazotile]

You talk like you're 20 now, and deteriorated, too... :facepalm



Im almost 30 and with plenty of vitality still in tact, thank you!

[shlver]

I think he just got confused by all of the Seattle stories. Federal was only going to increase to $10, correct?
Yes I got confused.

[COnDEMnED]

Why would you think so? It would mainly effect industries that rely on minimum wage jobs. There was a video claiming Walmart would have to raise the prices of products on shelves by 1 cent. That wouldn't do much, would it?

Video gaming industries are really not the example you want to use. Do IT and earn minimum wage? No, not really.


Very well, now suppose current minimum wage is below the equilibrium, and raising it would get the wage close to the equilibrium.
I own a 5-plex rental property in Northern California. I don't owe anything on it, it's paid in full. My current rental fee for the front house is 650 a month, the 3 smaller units are 550 a month, and the upstairs bachelor pad is 700 a month. Late fees for rent are $25 for four days after the due date, which is the 1st of every month. Tenants have a 4 day grace period, if I don't have a check post marked before the 5th, you are to include the 25 with the rent. If the minimum wage gets raised, I will raise the rent on my tenants. Those who I haven't raised the rent on recently will get hit at the beginning of next year, January 1st. Those who had rent raised in the past year will get a pass until 2016. Then I will raise rent for them on January 1st 2016. The late fee will also get raised to 50 bucks.

[kNIOKAS]

I own a 5-plex rental property in Northern California. I don't owe anything on it, it's paid in full. My current rental fee for the front house is 650 a month, the 3 smaller units are 550 a month, and the upstairs bachelor pad is 700 a month. Late fees for rent are $25 for four days after the due date, which is the 1st of every month. Tenants have a 4 day grace period, if I don't have a check post marked before the 5th, you are to include the 25 with the rent. If the minimum wage gets raised, I will raise the rent on my tenants. Those who I haven't raised the rent on recently will get hit at the beginning of next year, January 1st. Those who had rent raised in the past year will get a pass until 2016. Then I will raise rent for them on January 1st 2016. The late fee will also get raised to 50 bucks.
Do what you have to do, dawg. The housing issue is a whole another way people get ****ed by the major financial institutions. You're working with what you have there.