rare photo of wilt's competition

[inclinerator]

http://www.mockduck.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/60176-050-018d3eca.jpg

[RoundMoundOfReb]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RNOTSx3nvsc/S2CZLNhR00I/AAAAAAAACjM/lagzKiTHq7s/s400/Picture+36.png

[shallehalle]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RNOTSx3nvsc/S2CZLNhR00I/AAAAAAAACjM/lagzKiTHq7s/s400/Picture+36.png
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

http://alumni.nyu.edu/s/1068/images/editor/Connect%20Photos/mar2013/basketball1_full.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RNOTSx3nvsc/S2CZLNhR00I/AAAAAAAACjM/lagzKiTHq7s/s400/Picture+36.png
I spy Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

[mr.big35]

inb4 lazerus and other grandpas i n ISH

[sd3035]

When Lazerus finishes his matamucil and puts his dentures in, he'll come type a novel and a half of fake records Wilt has

[red1]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RNOTSx3nvsc/S2CZLNhR00I/AAAAAAAACjM/lagzKiTHq7s/s400/Picture+36.png
this is awesome :oldlol:

[sd3035]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RNOTSx3nvsc/S2CZLNhR00I/AAAAAAAACjM/lagzKiTHq7s/s400/Picture+36.png

looks like a police line up for ISH user 20four

[Psileas]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RNOTSx3nvsc/S2CZLNhR00I/AAAAAAAACjM/lagzKiTHq7s/s400/Picture+36.png

What's funny and indicative of the era is that this pic actually belongs to the 21st century.

[inclinerator]

looks like a police line up for ISH user 20four
:roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

looks like a police line up for ISH user 20four
This is the second reference to 20four being incredibly short that I've spotted, how tall is that poster for real and how did you find out? :oldlol:

[AirFederer]

Omg the nearest dude's head is clearly at rim level if you adjust for angle :bowdown: :eek:

I guess he broke the backboard just before this

[CelticBaller]

http://www.details.com/blogs/daily-details/mailman_menswear_460.jpg

[swagga]

http://alumni.nyu.edu/s/1068/images/editor/Connect%20Photos/mar2013/basketball1_full.jpg

:lol random lil nigggas at the park would bully these librarians

[Fazotronic]

http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg

[swagga]

http://www.details.com/blogs/daily-details/mailman_menswear_460.jpg

you need goat white athleticism to not get destroyed by random dogs.

[sd3035]

This is the second reference to 20four being incredibly short that I've spotted, how tall is that poster for real and how did you find out? :oldlol:

He's the one in the middle with the blue shorts

[kamil]

When Lazerus finishes his matamucil and puts his dentures in, he'll come type a novel and a half of fake records Wilt has

It'd benefit the forum greatly if you read his posts and learned some basketball history instead of being an ignorant knob.

[swagga]

http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg

imagine patrick beverly guarding this dude. It'd be on the first page next morning with some racial crime title. :oldlol:

[swagga]

It'd benefit the forum greatly if you read his posts and learned some basketball history instead of being an ignorant knob.

says the dude in red... rather then read lazareus wilt **** slurping you are better off reading a basketball book.

[SilkkTheShocker]

imagine patrick beverly guarding this dude. It'd be on the first page next morning with some racial crime title. :oldlol:

:oldlol:

[Trollsmasher]

http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg
damn, he gave dem two hezis

[WallIn]

http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg
:oldlol:

[MrC1991]

lmao this thread is straight jokes.

[SwayDizzle]

damn, he gave dem two hezis
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[SwayDizzle]

looks like a police line up for ISH user 20four
:lol :lol

[swagga]

imho wilt's real competiton is somewhere between those two photos.

http://a.gifb.in/reverse-1237129773_60s_girls_in_bikini_dancing.gif

http://media.giphy.com/media/I0b3bK3RDMZsQ/giphy.gif

[swagga]

i've read somewhere that 20four's grandpa shown here in this picture used to keep wilt below 50% fg. Not bad for a midget tbh.

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/they-see-me-rollin-im-hatin-kkk-midget-wheelchair.jpg

[moe94]

looks like a police line up for ISH user 20four
Y'all are ruthless

[Bless Mathews]

http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg
Gif of the year nominee.

:applause: :applause:

[swagga]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS53D5w1HTc

IM OFFICIALLY LOSING IT :roll: :roll: :roll:

[swagga]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVAFReldDiI

**** me :roll:

[WallIn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS53D5w1HTc

IM OFFICIALLY LOSING IT :roll: :roll: :roll:

Dat 16 chips doe :roll:

5 in the strongest era :roll:

[LAZERUSS]

I found some more rare photos from the Wilt-era...

No wonder he was so dominant...

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2122275/klove.jpg

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Steve-Nash-cant-hear-you-reporters.-Hes-somewhere-far-away.-Photo-via-@mcten.jpg

http://www.sfexaminer.com/imager/warriors-forward-david-lee-could-earn-his-second-all-star-nod-this-week-as/b/original/2321867/41a0/davidlee115.jpg

https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/120328/bogut_400_17n4shm-17n4shq.jpg?x=400&q=80&n=1&sig=gDgr4Qwusb8xPkoslqh30Q--

http://goldcoasttickets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/kyle.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0405/nba_a_bogut_300.jpg

Now I see why Wilt averaged 27 rpg in a season. Those goofballs were picking their rebounds up off the floor.

And looking at those goobers, is it any wonder that Cowens was the only white guy to win an MVP in the Wilt-era? No way those clods could ever come close to winning an MVP in today's NBA.

These stiffs couldn't make a middle-school girl's team today...

[Trollsmasher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS53D5w1HTc

IM OFFICIALLY LOSING IT :roll: :roll: :roll:
I like how they are trying to stay still after finishing the sequence in practice but keep failing:roll:

[TheMagicMan]

http://www.amog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/chamberlain_wilt.jpg

[swagga]

wilt's dick ... must lick ... yummy balls ... shoulda posted some nice ***** in that golden state elimination thread ... hemorrhoids surgery ...

:facepalm

[swagga]

http://www.amog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/chamberlain_wilt.jpg

head at the rim, 50 inch vertical confirmed.

[20Four]

looks like a police line up for ISH user 20four
5'10" 185lbs? Sorry mang you lost? You mad because I called you out on your avy huh? You mad you had to copy SILKS avy because hes your husband? Come on now you gotta try harder

[swagga]

5'10" 185lbs? Sorry mang you lost? You mad because I called you out on your avy huh? You mad you had to copy SILKS avy because hes your husband? Come on now you gotta try harder

As if being a midget wasn't enough .. you had to be a mental midget too?

[TheMagicMan]

When Lazerus finishes his matamucil and puts his dentures in, he'll come type a novel and a half of fake records Wilt has

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[CelticBaller]

I found some more rare photos from the Wilt-era...

No wonder he was so dominant...

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2122275/klove.jpg

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Steve-Nash-cant-hear-you-reporters.-Hes-somewhere-far-away.-Photo-via-@mcten.jpg

http://www.sfexaminer.com/imager/warriors-forward-david-lee-could-earn-his-second-all-star-nod-this-week-as/b/original/2321867/41a0/davidlee115.jpg

https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/120328/bogut_400_17n4shm-17n4shq.jpg?x=400&q=80&n=1&sig=gDgr4Qwusb8xPkoslqh30Q--

http://goldcoasttickets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/kyle.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0405/nba_a_bogut_300.jpg



These stiffs couldn't make a middle-school girl's team today...
lol those guys look way more stronger than the guys in wilt's pic and i bet they can dribble the ball better than one of those shitty pgs

[swagga]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDRQ0FYhC0U

white boy whistled for sympathizing abolitionism .. he just tryna do a handle he saw some black kids do on the street.

[Marchesk]

This didn't happen in the 60s doe:

http://abovetherim.com.au/nba/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Nash-MVP.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

This didn't happen in the 60s doe:

http://abovetherim.com.au/nba/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Nash-MVP.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Here is a more recent photo of the two-time MVP...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dgjzXSHV4mY/T9-ClQKDU6I/AAAAAAAAE0U/OxlHW_T9Ins/s1600/marty_feldman_512.jpg

Again, can you imagine that clown winning an MVP (or two) in the 00's????

[swagga]

This didn't happen in the 60s doe:

http://abovetherim.com.au/nba/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Nash-MVP.jpg

doe steve nash could of played center in that era tbh :lol

[swagga]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Here is a more recent photo of the two-time MVP...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dgjzXSHV4mY/T9-ClQKDU6I/AAAAAAAAE0U/OxlHW_T9Ins/s1600/marty_feldman_512.jpg

Again, can you imagine that clown winning an MVP (or two) in the 00's????

damn gramps you need to get on that ray charles glasses time.

[inclinerator]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/steve-nash-crossover.gif
http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

And you would never find a 6-6 guy playing CENTER in the current NBA, either...just wouldn't happen...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hayes



Born
June 11, 1983 (age 30)
San Leandro, California

Nationality
American

Listed height
6 ft 6 in (198 cm


[QUOTE]During the 2009

[Marchesk]

Strong era for bigs:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2252515/dwightawful.gif

[swagga]

And you would never find a 6-6 guy playing CENTER in the current NBA, either...just wouldn't happen...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Hayes

chuck hayes would probably be ray allen in the 50s :lol

[LAZERUSS]

lol those guys look way more stronger than the guys in wilt's pic and i bet they can dribble the ball better than one of those shitty pgs

Who would win this rebound battle...

this scrawny 6-11 guy with a longer wingspan than Wilt...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-IlubSSwQ0yY/UPzbjLxgbzI/AAAAAAAAEA8/Lz0OunkNBbQ/s800/Nate%2520Thurmond1.jpg


or this muscular 6-8 bruiser...

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/B29WYDRCBbxOBjr_dTO8sw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/388/2012/12/11/love121112-jpg_200943.jpg


BTW, the 6-11 dude...nowhere near the size, strength, or athleticism that Chamberlain had.

[Marchesk]

Dat outlet pass!

http://images.rapgenius.com/f99c892500bb26d506a10c666ed84fae.426x254x61.gif

[swagga]

Strong era for bigs:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2252515/dwightawful.gif

70 ppg and 40 rpg in the 50s. 20 statues and the segregation is abolished 10 years earlier, we get the first black president in the 60s. Right now we woulda been colonizing some beta alien civilization imo.

[CelticBaller]

No wonder that dude was good, he could also bully the same part time car salesman with ease

[swagga]

Who would win this rebound battle...

this scrawny 6-11 guy with a longer wingspan than Wilt...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-IlubSSwQ0yY/UPzbjLxgbzI/AAAAAAAAEA8/Lz0OunkNBbQ/s800/Nate%2520Thurmond1.jpg


or this muscular 6-8 bruiser...

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/B29WYDRCBbxOBjr_dTO8sw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/388/2012/12/11/love121112-jpg_200943.jpg


BTW, the 6-11 dude...nowhere near the size, strength, or athleticism that Chamberlain had.

that niggga looks like he worked in the cotton field tbh, doesn't look so skilled with a ball to me.

[Marchesk]

70 ppg and 40 rpg in the 50s. 20 statues and the segregation is abolished 10 years earlier, we get the first black president in the 60s. Right now we woulda been colonizing some beta alien civilization imo.

:lol

We're talking about Love, right? Would have been the Great White Hope in the 60s.

[DonDadda59]

This thread is racist :durantunimpressed:

[LAZERUSS]

And look at much tougher these guys are now too...

http://sportsgif.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/LeBroning-GIF.gif

[Marchesk]

And look at much tougher these guys are now too...

It's a strong era for flopping.

[LAZERUSS]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/steve-nash-crossover.gif
http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg


And look at this dork, who was playing college ball in the 60's...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfWkiO2Iz08

[HomieWeMajor]

Here's Wilt going up against an all star Center in the 60s
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/4747943/wilt-o.gif

[LAZERUSS]

Here's Wilt going up against an all star Center in the 60s
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/4747943/wilt-o.gif

That was Bill Walton...

[Marchesk]

More evidence of super-stacked era:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmW6unjCQAAzo55.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

More evidence of super-stacked era:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmW6unjCQAAzo55.jpg


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMagicMan]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/steve-nash-crossover.gif
http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg

ETHER :lebronamazed:

[TheMagicMan]

Exclusive image of Wilt with a top 5 player in the 60s:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/1002/rare.wilt.chamberlain.photos/images/wilt-chamberlain-50322675.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

Can you imagine what a prime Chamberlain would have done with this weak-ass clod?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU43dTuMuig

[Andrei89]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[swagga]

"found" footage :lol
http://i59.tinypic.com/2qled5t.jpg

[Calabis]

Lmao, Wilt would shit on this weak ass era.

[Psileas]

I found some more rare photos from the Wilt-era...

No wonder he was so dominant...

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2122275/klove.jpg

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Steve-Nash-cant-hear-you-reporters.-Hes-somewhere-far-away.-Photo-via-@mcten.jpg

http://www.sfexaminer.com/imager/warriors-forward-david-lee-could-earn-his-second-all-star-nod-this-week-as/b/original/2321867/41a0/davidlee115.jpg

https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/120328/bogut_400_17n4shm-17n4shq.jpg?x=400&q=80&n=1&sig=gDgr4Qwusb8xPkoslqh30Q--

http://goldcoasttickets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/kyle.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0405/nba_a_bogut_300.jpg

Now I see why Wilt averaged 27 rpg in a season. Those goofballs were picking their rebounds up off the floor.

And looking at those goobers, is it any wonder that Cowens was the only white guy to win an MVP in the Wilt-era? No way those clods could ever come close to winning an MVP in today's NBA.

These stiffs couldn't make a middle-school girl's team today...

:oldlol: at this 50 y.o plumber wearing a "Los Angeles basketball" jersey.

[swagga]

nash looks like a homeless and he still looks more imposing than those part time taxi drivers :lol

[Calabis]

That bruiser Kevin Love is so much bigger than those dudes Wilt faced...I mean look at how huge Howard is...he would tower over Wilt:lol

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zf38x9d8www/UQN-FnvilBI/AAAAAAAAEC8/hlY2EpcMNGw/s0/NBA%2520Big%2520men%2520scaleWIP3.jpg

[Calabis]

That was Bill Walton...

:roll:

I mean look how small Bill is when standing next to Shaq....its like a white 4'0 midget with cerebral palsy

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mapift6xlU1ruj0bpo1_1280.jpg

[Psileas]

rare photo of wilt's competition

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=334971

[Calabis]

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/basketball/_photos/wilt-chamberlain-gallery/wilt12pg-horizontal.jpg

After they saw the 2012 top centers list (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/top-10-centers-dwight-howard-andrew-bynum-marc-gasol-tyson-chandler-092712#photo-title=Roy+Hibbert%252C+Indiana+Pacers&photo=31348082)

[MavsSuperFan]

I found some more rare photos from the Wilt-era...

No wonder he was so dominant...

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2122275/klove.jpg

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Steve-Nash-cant-hear-you-reporters.-Hes-somewhere-far-away.-Photo-via-@mcten.jpg

http://www.sfexaminer.com/imager/warriors-forward-david-lee-could-earn-his-second-all-star-nod-this-week-as/b/original/2321867/41a0/davidlee115.jpg

https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/120328/bogut_400_17n4shm-17n4shq.jpg?x=400&q=80&n=1&sig=gDgr4Qwusb8xPkoslqh30Q--

http://goldcoasttickets.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/kyle.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0405/nba_a_bogut_300.jpg

Now I see why Wilt averaged 27 rpg in a season. Those goofballs were picking their rebounds up off the floor.

And looking at those goobers, is it any wonder that Cowens was the only white guy to win an MVP in the Wilt-era? No way those clods could ever come close to winning an MVP in today's NBA.

These stiffs couldn't make a middle-school girl's team today...


This is legit the most racist thing I've ever seen against white people on ISH. Just because they're white doesn't mean they shouldn't be in the NBA today.

[mr.big35]

racism in this thread

[FireDavidKahn]

And look at this dork, who was playing college ball in the 60's...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfWkiO2Iz08
Probably the most skilled player to ever play the game. To dominate the way he did while being simultaneously the least athletic person ever was amazing.

[Marchesk]

This is legit the most racist thing I've ever seen against white people on ISH. Just because they're white doesn't mean they shouldn't be in the NBA today.

But lots of whites dominating = weak era, didn't you now brah?

Nash, Dirk, Love, Ginobli smh

This dude was guarding Lebron in the finals :facepalm

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1001/nba_g_james_gb2_576.jpg

[TheMagicMan]

This is legit the most racist thing I've ever seen against white people on ISH. Just because they're white doesn't mean they shouldn't be in the NBA today.

No surprise.

[Calabis]

This is legit the most racist thing I've ever seen against white people on ISH. Just because they're white doesn't mean they shouldn't be in the NBA today.

I think that is his point about Wilt

[KingBeasley08]

Gotta love the older dudes acting like 60s ball wasn't a joke. Average high school players today would be MVP candidates back then

[Marchesk]

Gotta love the older dudes acting like 60s ball wasn't a joke. Average high school players today would be MVP candidates back then

But Roy Hibbert wouldn't be.

[b1imtf]

looks like a police line up for ISH user 20four
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[rhowen4]

Wilt fans:

Do you smell like cabbage?

[Psileas]

This is legit the most racist thing I've ever seen against white people on ISH. Just because they're white doesn't mean they shouldn't be in the NBA today.

Τhe likes of you discredit whole eras and you're complaining about racism? That's cute...

[Marchesk]

Wilt fans:

Do you smell like cabbage?

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121006110012/alienanthology/images/0/0e/Peter_Weyland.jpg

[KingBeasley08]

Laz actually did make a very racist post. People are shitting on earlier eras because they had a combination of being unathletic and having shitty skills. Just look at the gif posted in the beginning. That was what handles looked like back then :oldlol: :facepalm

Nobody was discounting them cause they were white. Nash got more skill with the ball than any oldie

[jzek]

McGee would dominate that era just due to his athleticism alone. 20, 12, 8 at least.

[Psileas]

Laz actually did make a very racist post. People are shitting on earlier eras because they had a combination of being unathletic and having shitty skills. Just look at the gif posted in the beginning. That was what handles looked like back then :oldlol: :facepalm

Nobody was discounting them cause they were white. Nash got more skill with the ball than any oldie

If posts like this are considered acceptable, we should find nothing wrong with Laz' post, either.

[Marchesk]

McGee would dominate that era just due to his athleticism alone. 20, 12, 8 at least.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WPxPfxWt8vQ/UQyTpLxGKUI/AAAAAAAAEFo/AgnZwjF2kL4/s800/GusJohnsonDunk.gif

6'6 230 - broke 3 rims. From 63-70, he averaged 18.3, 13, 2.8 on 44%.

Proof that athleticism and size alone would not get you Wilt/Oscar/Baylor/West/Russell numbers in the 60s.

[Psileas]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WPxPfxWt8vQ/UQyTpLxGKUI/AAAAAAAAEFo/AgnZwjF2kL4/s800/GusJohnsonDunk.gif

6'6 230 - broke 3 rims. From 63-70, he averaged 18.3, 13, 2.8 on 44%.

Proof that athleticism and size alone would not get you Wilt/Oscar/Baylor/West/Russell numbers in the 60s.

And definitely not due to athleticism alone. He could actually play.
Athleticism alone gave you someone like LeRoy Ellis, which is what McGee would be playing back then (more athletic than Ellis, but less basketball IQ).

[Deuce Bigalow]

Laz actually did make a very racist post. People are shitting on earlier eras because they had a combination of being unathletic and having shitty skills. Just look at the gif posted in the beginning. That was what handles looked like back then :oldlol: :facepalm

Nobody was discounting them cause they were white. Nash got more skill with the ball than any oldie
This. Very racist and disrespectful because there are some great white players throughout NBA history including the greatest basketball player ever, George Mikan.

[CelticBaller]

Laz actually did make a very racist post. People are shitting on earlier eras because they had a combination of being unathletic and having shitty skills. Just look at the gif posted in the beginning. That was what handles looked like back then :oldlol: :facepalm

Nobody was discounting them cause they were white. Nash got more skill with the ball than any oldie
:applause:

get that sterling out of here

[MiseryCityTexas]

Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed, Zelmo Beaty, Jerry Lucas, Bill Russell, Young Kareem Abdul Jabbar,Wayne Embry, and Walt Bellamy = please shut the **** up

[LAZERUSS]

Laz actually did make a very racist post. People are shitting on earlier eras because they had a combination of being unathletic and having shitty skills. Just look at the gif posted in the beginning. That was what handles looked like back then :oldlol: :facepalm

Nobody was discounting them cause they were white. Nash got more skill with the ball than any oldie

RACISM?

I will tell what RACISM is here. It is showing a photo of a college Wilt soaring above white players and then making fun of WILT and HIS competition. Why don't those morons post photos of Wilt soaring high above Bellamy, Reed, Unseld, Hayes, Lanier, Thurmond, Russell, Gilmore, and Kareem...which he most certainly did? All of whom would be among the best, to clearly the best centers in TODAY'S NBA.

RACISM is posting that stupid Cousy gif repeatedly...and not showing the entire play. And then acting like he could only dribble with one hand, and had no skills whatsoever. Well, take a look at this entire video then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QCP6mMMH2Q

Now, you tell me that that was some uncoordinated white guy with no skills? Hell, let him palm the ball, and carry it for four steps and then take a hop-skip-and-a-jump without a dribble and can you imagine what HE could have done with a basketball in TODAY's NBA?

And who is considered a wizard with a basketball today? Ricky Rubio. Well, I have news for you, ...Pistol Pete was doing everything that Rubio does TODAY, back in his college days in the 60's. You want evidence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qv0YS1wHoQ

Maravich was taller, faster, more athletic, and could SHOOT, too. He would blow Rubio away in a game of one-on-one. And to be VERY honest, he would wipe the floor with Chris Paul too.

And the Pistol wasn't the only white guy back then doing amazing things with a basketball, either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY65sR4rvA0

Again...can you imagine what Ernie D would have done in today's NBA had he been allowed to carry and palm the ball on every dribble?

Kevin Love? I have been one of the few here who has defended the man here forcryingoutloud. But I can tell you this...I also saw Jerry Lucas, and Lucas was Love long before Love was. And yes, Lucas could outshoot Love from long range, too (just google the term "Lucas Layup."). How good was Lucas? Aside from Wilt, he is the only man in NBA history to have posted more than one 20-20 season (he did it twice.) Hell, he had 40 rebounds in one game. But just so you know...in the '72 Finals, a 31 year old Lucas, playing 46 minutes per game, was outrebounded by a 35 year old Chamberlain, playing on a reconstructed knee, ...by a 23.2 to 9.8 rpg margin! And I can guarantee you that if you would have put a prime Love back in that same series, and he would have suffered the very same fate.

Kevin Durant? I was watching him play in the early 70's. Went by the name of McAdoo back then. Was scoring 35 ppg in league's that averaged 102 ppg...or about what they do today. Could shoot from anywhere on the floor, and was the exact same height as Durant. Oh, except McAdoo could rebound.

Marchesk has already posted a gif of the 6-6 230 lb Gus Johnson. Smashed three backboards...in the 60's. How good an athlete was Johnson?

http://www.cornerclubmoscow.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1&Itemid=2


When Johnson played at Idaho in 1963, he already had a reputation as a leaper of the highest order. One evening at the Corner Club, a local tavern on Main Street in Moscow, Johnson was requested by owner Herm Goetz to display his rare ability to the patrons. From a standing start near the bar, Johnson touched a spot on a beam 11'6" (3.505 m) above the floor. This spot was ceremoniously marked with a nail by Goetz, who then proudly proclaimed that anyone who could duplicate the feat could drink for free. A 40-inch (1.016 m) diameter circle was painted on the floor, and both feet had to start inside the circle to ensure a standing start. A full 23 years went by with many attempts at Gus Johnson's Nail, including Bill Walton in the summer of 1984, but there were no successes.

That was until 1986, when the College of Southern Idaho basketball team from Twin Falls stopped in town in January on their way to a game against NIC in Coeur d'Alene. Joey Johnson, a younger brother of then NBA star Dennis Johnson, was brought into the Corner Club for a try. The 6'3" (1.905 m) guard had a 48" (1.219 m) vertical leap and could put his chin on a basketball rim (10 feet (3.048 m)) with a running start.

Johnson laced up his shoes and touched the nail on his first try but was disqualified because he did not start with both feet inside the 40-inch circle. The next attempt came from a legal static start but was just a bit short. On his third try, Johnson grabbed and bent the legendary nail, a landmark event in Vandal sports history. Goetz pulled the nail out of the beam and pounded it back in, a half inch (13 mm) higher

It took a guy who had had his chin above the rim, to barely outjump Gus Johnson's best effort...back in the early 60's. BTW, just watch Gus on YouTube. He had SKILLS too. He had a very sweet jump shot to 15+ feet. Guess what? With the leaping ability of Michael Jordan, and with more sills than the average player in the league today...he was a 17-12 guy in his NBA career. How come? How come a stud like that wasn't putting up 30-20 games his entire career against the "weak competition" of his era? Kind of makes you want to re-evaluate that point about "weak" doesn't it?

Oh, and I have posted a pic of the 6-11 HOFer Nate Thurmond, who was a dominant big man in the 60's. Well how about this? An aging Thurmond faced a PEAK Kareem from '69 thru '73 in nearly 40 H2H games, and held a PEAK Kareem to FIVE games of 30+ points...with a HIGH game of 34 points. Yes, 34 points! In fact, he also held a PEAK Kareem to an unfathomable .447 FG% in those 40 career H2H games, including two straight post-season series of .428 and .405 shooting (and he outscored and outshot Kareem in one of them.)

You know who Kareem is, right? The same Kareem, who at ages 38 and 39, faced a 23-24 year old Hakeem in ten straight H2H games...and AVERAGED 32 ppg on a .621 FG% against him....including THREE games of 40, 43, and 46 points (the 46 point game came in only 37 minutes, and on 21-30 shooting BTW.) Oh, and in the same weekl that Kareem plastered Hakeem with that 46 point game, he overwhelmed Ewing by a 40-9 margin (while outshooting Patrick 15-22 to 3-17 from the field.) As a sidenote, a 34-35 year old Artis Gilmore averaged 24 ppg on a .677 FG% against that same 23-24 year Hakeem in 10 straight games, as well.

BTW, who was considered the best defensive center of the 80's? Was it Hakeem, or Ewing? Hell no, it was a white guy...Mark Eaton. Oh, and guess who turned Eaton's career around when he was playing at UCLA? Some guy by the name of WILT. The same mid 40 year old Wilt who did this...


Of all his memories of Wilt Chamberlain, the one that stood out for Larry Brown happened long after Chamberlain's professional career had ended. On a summer day in the early 1980s, when Brown was coaching at UCLA, Chamberlain showed up at Pauley Pavilion to take part in one of the high-octane pickup games that the arena constantly attracted. "Magic Johnson used to run the games," Brown recalled Tuesday after hearing that Chamberlain, his friend, had died at 63, "and he called a couple of chintzy fouls and a goaltending on Wilt. "So Wilt said: 'There will be no more layups in this gym,' and he blocked every shot after that. That's the truth, I saw it. He didn't let one [of Johnson's] shots get to the rim." Chamberlain would have been in his mid-40s at the time, and he remained in top physical shape until recently

Stewart, Larry (1999-10-13). "Giant Towered Over the Rest". The Los Angeles Times.


Of course, no one here honestly believes that Magic would be any good in today's NBA, do they?

And I have read these ridiculous comparisons of Javale McGee to Wilt. Yep, McGee's competition has been so much better than what Wilt faced right? Well guess what...McGee played two years of college ball at some tiny school called Nevado Reno, and probably didn't face a player that would go on to the NBA. Of course he must have just dominated those guys, right? Yep... to the tune of 8.7 ppg and 4.8 rpg. And I'm supposed to believe that McGee would have been scoring 50 ppg in the 60's??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Shaq? I love Shaq. I would take Shaq over Hakeem any day of the week. And who here doesn't think that a prime Shaq would just be crushing the goofballs that man the center position today? No one. You want the plain truth, though? Wilt was better at every aspect of the game. Chamberlain was a better scorer, better shooter, had more range, more post moves, was a better rebounder, a better passer, a better defender, and a better shot-blocker. There was nothing that Shaq did, that Wilt couldn't do better. Hell, aside from the bulk, Wilt was taller, longer, stronger (yes, stronger), and more athletic, and with far more stamina. Hell, a 50 year old Wilt was probably in better shape than a peak Shaq.

The reality is, aside from perhaps Dwight Howard and Tim Duncan, there isn't a center in today's NBA that would have been in the top-10 centers of the early 70's. That is the plain-and-simple truth. Guys like Lanier, McAdoo, Hayes, Unseld, Thurmond, Cowens, Gilmore, Kareem, and Wilt...all WAY better than these clowns of today. And the WHITE Bill Walton, at his peak, would have been, as well.

Now, the real racists on this forum can continue to post their idiotic gifs of Cousy, and their photos of Wilt playing against some white college guys. And I will continue to post the TRUTH.

[9erempiree]

Lazeruss with that rat poison that makes their little stomachs burn yo.....

http://www.renovationtrap.com/image/dead-rat.jpg

[MiseryCityTexas]

Bob Mcadoo had some nice handles for a center...............

[MiseryCityTexas]

Archie Clark was doing the killer crossover long before Iverson and Tim Hardaway.

[swagga]

when I was a boy my gramps used to tell me he fought the gerrys in ww2. They were undead vampiric immortal beasts with laser guns and an average iq of 300. They also had mountain lions for pets and each fcucked at least 10k women.
We only won through divine intervention: Even though the pope kept them at bay with a cannon that shot silver crosses each weighing almost a ton, God was mad that they stole his reneissance pron from his mansion in Rome so he sent wilt da gawd to beat them with his dick. :bowdown:

Same shit going on in this thread. Plus racism.

[swagga]

RACISM?

I will tell what RACISM is here. It is showing a photo of a college Wilt soaring above white players and then making fun of WILT and HIS competition. Why don't those morons post photos of Wilt soaring high above Bellamy, Reed, Unseld, Hayes, Lanier, Thurmond, Russell, Gilmore, and Kareem...which he most certainly did? All of whom would be among the best, to clearly the best centers in TODAY'S NBA.

RACISM is posting that stupid Cousy gif repeatedly...and not showing the entire play. And then acting like he could only dribble with one hand, and had no skills whatsoever. Well, take a look at this entire video then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QCP6mMMH2Q

Now, you tell me that that was some uncoordinated white guy with no skills? Hell, let him palm the ball, and carry it for four steps and then take a hop-skip-and-a-jump without a dribble and can you imagine what HE could have done with a basketball in TODAY's NBA?

And who is considered a wizard with a basketball today? Ricky Rubio. Well, I have news for you, ...Pistol Pete was doing everything that Rubio does TODAY, back in his college days in the 60's. You want evidence?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qv0YS1wHoQ

Maravich was taller, faster, more athletic, and could SHOOT, too. He would blow Rubio away in a game of one-on-one. And to be VERY honest, he would wipe the floor with Chris Paul too.

And the Pistol wasn't the only white guy back then doing amazing things with a basketball, either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY65sR4rvA0

Again...can you imagine what Ernie D would have done in today's NBA had he been allowed to carry and palm the ball on every dribble?

Kevin Love? I have been one of the few here who has defended the man here forcryingoutloud. But I can tell you this...I also saw Jerry Lucas, and Lucas was Love long before Love was. And yes, Lucas could outshoot Love from long range, too (just google the term "Lucas Layup."). How good was Lucas? Aside from Wilt, he is the only man in NBA history to have posted more than one 20-20 season (he did it twice.) Hell, he had 40 rebounds in one game. But just so you know...in the '72 Finals, a 31 year old Lucas, playing 46 minutes per game, was outrebounded by a 35 year old Chamberlain, playing on a reconstructed knee, ...by a 23.2 to 9.8 rpg margin! And I can guarantee you that if you would have put a prime Love back in that same series, and he would have suffered the very same fate.

Kevin Durant? I was watching him play in the early 70's. Went by the name of McAdoo back then. Was scoring 35 ppg in league's that averaged 102 ppg...or about what they do today. Could shoot from anywhere on the floor, and was the exact same height as Durant. Oh, except McAdoo could rebound.

Marchesk has already posted a gif of the 6-6 230 lb Gus Johnson. Smashed three backboards...in the 60's. How good an athlete was Johnson?

http://www.cornerclubmoscow.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1&Itemid=2



It took a guy who had had his chin above the rim, to barely outjump Gus Johnson's best effort...back in the early 60's. BTW, just watch Gus on YouTube. He had SKILLS too. He had a very sweet jump shot to 15+ feet. Guess what? With the leaping ability of Michael Jordan, and with more sills than the average player in the league today...he was a 17-12 guy in his NBA career. How come? How come a stud like that wasn't putting up 30-20 games his entire career against the "weak competition" of his era? Kind of makes you want to re-evaluate that point about "weak" doesn't it?

Oh, and I have posted a pic of the 6-11 HOFer Nate Thurmond, who was a dominant big man in the 60's. Well how about this? An aging Thurmond faced a PEAK Kareem from '69 thru '73 in nearly 40 H2H games, and held a PEAK Kareem to FIVE games of 30+ points...with a HIGH game of 34 points. Yes, 34 points! In fact, he also held a PEAK Kareem to an unfathomable .447 FG% in those 40 career H2H games, including two straight post-season series of .428 and .405 shooting (and he outscored and outshot Kareem in one of them.)

You know who Kareem is, right? The same Kareem, who at ages 38 and 39, faced a 23-24 year old Hakeem in ten straight H2H games...and AVERAGED 32 ppg on a .621 FG% against him....including THREE games of 40, 43, and 46 points (the 46 point game came in only 37 minutes, and on 21-30 shooting BTW.) Oh, and in the same weekl that Kareem plastered Hakeem with that 46 point game, he overwhelmed Ewing by a 40-9 margin (while outshooting Patrick 15-22 to 3-17 from the field.) As a sidenote, a 34-35 year old Artis Gilmore averaged 24 ppg on a .677 FG% against that same 23-24 year Hakeem in 10 straight games, as well.

BTW, who was considered the best defensive center of the 80's? Was it Hakeem, or Ewing? Hell no, it was a white guy...Mark Eaton. Oh, and guess who turned Eaton's career around when he was playing at UCLA? Some guy by the name of WILT. The same mid 40 year old Wilt who did this...



Of course, no one here honestly believes that Magic would be any good in today's NBA, do they?

And I have read these ridiculous comparisons of Javale McGee to Wilt. Yep, McGee's competition has been so much better than what Wilt faced right? Well guess what...McGee played two years of college ball at some tiny school called Nevado Reno, and probably didn't face a player that would go on to the NBA. Of course he must have just dominated those guys, right? Yep... to the tune of 8.7 ppg and 4.8 rpg. And I'm supposed to believe that McGee would have been scoring 50 ppg in the 60's??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Shaq? I love Shaq. I would take Shaq over Hakeem any day of the week. And who here doesn't think that a prime Shaq would just be crushing the goofballs that man the center position today? No one. You want the plain truth, though? Wilt was better at every aspect of the game. Chamberlain was a better scorer, better shooter, had more range, more post moves, was a better rebounder, a better passer, a better defender, and a better shot-blocker. There was nothing that Shaq did, that Wilt couldn't do better. Hell, aside from the bulk, Wilt was taller, longer, stronger (yes, stronger), and more athletic, and with far more stamina. Hell, a 50 year old Wilt was probably in better shape than a peak Shaq.

The reality is, aside from perhaps Dwight Howard and Tim Duncan, there isn't a center in today's NBA that would have been in the top-10 centers of the early 70's. That is the plain-and-simple truth. Guys like Lanier, McAdoo, Hayes, Unseld, Thurmond, Cowens, Gilmore, Kareem, and Wilt...all WAY better than these clowns of today. And the WHITE Bill Walton, at his peak, would have been, as well.

Now, the real racists on this forum can continue to post their idiotic gifs of Cousy, and their photos of Wilt playing against some white college guys. And I will continue to post the TRUTH.

wilt the nazi mountain lion divine slayer with a 20ft dong approves :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

McGee would dominate that era just due to his athleticism alone. 20, 12, 8 at least.

McGee played 66 games in his two years in college at Nevada Reno, and likely did not face an NBA-quality (if there is such a thing any more) center in those years. Must have been just crushing the hapless nerds that he was facing, right? Yep... 8.7 ppg and 4.8 rpg.

The reality was, he wouldn't have been drafted in the 60's.

Same with Joel Anthony. This clod played 68 games at UNLV... 3.7 ppg and 3.5 rpg.


How about Ryan Hollins? Went to UCLA. Played four years, and 113 games. His best season? 7.0 ppg and 4.8 rpg. The reality was, he wouldn't have made UCLA's roster in 1972 (just look up Walton's and Nater's NBA numbers.)


Look at today's NBA centers. A cripple like Oden, who blows out his knee while brushing his teeth, and can't even walk straight...is on an NBA roster. 7-2 Roy Hibbert can't score a point nor grab a rebound, and was an all-star. Andrew Bogut who gets hurt flushing the toilet, is on an NBA roster (hell, he even led the league in blocked shots one year.) The 6-6 Chuck Hayes, a career 3.8 ppg scorer, has been a STARTING CENTER at times in the league.

I could go right down the list. And yet I am supposed to believe that these stumblebums would have been elite players in the 60's and 70's? None of them would have been given a second look by the NBA back then. And as some have suggested...instead they would have become accountants, insurance salesmen, janitors, and car-washers.

:facepalm

[Calabis]

Laz actually did make a very racist post. People are shitting on earlier eras because they had a combination of being unathletic and having shitty skills. Just look at the gif posted in the beginning. That was what handles looked like back then :oldlol: :facepalm

Nobody was discounting them cause they were white. Nash got more skill with the ball than any oldie

His post was not racist, it was sarcasm for the idiots posting Wilt playing short unathletic white guys that young ish morons continue to post on here once a week. Apparently u idiots think McGee is somehow good as well as that defense displayed in that shitty clippers okc game. He responded by posting guys like Love who cant touch wilt in any phase except shooting, yet his unathletic ass is a walking 20/10 guy in today's league. Also you were not allowed to carry the ball like today....show me one mfer with a better crossover than Tim Hardaway ......he didnt need the AND 1 hand underneath the ball hesitations that they get away with today. Also Cousy never had a blueprint layed out in front of him to copy and nor would he get away with that Nash shit back then. He would be called for palming or get a elbow square in his damn chest.

[Wally450]

http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg


I know its s completely different era, but this makes me laugh.

[Leroy Jetson]

that niggga looks like he worked in the cotton field tbh, doesn't look so skilled with a ball to me.
Wow you should go work for an NBA team. Not many people can assess ball handling skills from a single still photo:oldlol: .

[swagga]

Wow you should go work for an NBA team. Not many people can assess ball handling skills from a single still photo:oldlol: .

maybe I am already son.

[Calabis]

I know its s completely different era, but this makes me laugh.

If u notice when he switches hands....his focus was on keeping his hand on top of the ball...if he had rules of today.....he wouldn't look like that.

[MiseryCityTexas]

I seen Cousy score over athletic black players before. You people in this thread don't know shit.

[mans1ay3r]

http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg
I can't stop watching this. :lol

[DCL]

http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg

he shot a lot of bricks too.

he played 13 years in the league.

never had one season shooting above 40% in field goals.

not one.

he's also considered the best pg ever back then.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cousybo01.html

[Wally450]

If u notice when he switches hands....his focus was on keeping his hand on top of the ball...if he had rules of today.....he wouldn't look like that.

Agreed. Everyone today would be called for travels in a second if they had those rules today.

[Marchesk]

he shot a lot of bricks too.

he played 13 years in the league.

never had one season shooting above 40% in field goals.

not one.

he's also considered the best pg ever back then.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cousybo01.html


Until this guy:

http://www.sportswriters.net/usbwa/awards/oscar/action_oscar_ncaa.jpg

http://magazine.uc.edu/content/dam/magazine/images/0109/Lsports11.jpg

[sd3035]

Until this guy:

http://magazine.uc.edu/content/dam/magazine/images/0109/Lsports11.jpg


competition looks pretty stellar

[MavsSuperFan]

Until this guy:

http://www.sportswriters.net/usbwa/awards/oscar/action_oscar_ncaa.jpg

http://magazine.uc.edu/content/dam/magazine/images/0109/Lsports11.jpg
obviously he would look good, look at his pathetic competition, most of those guys probably had to work jobs in the offseason to make rent/mortgage payments.

[MavsSuperFan]

he shot a lot of bricks too.

he played 13 years in the league.

never had one season shooting above 40% in field goals.

not one.

he's also considered the best pg ever back then.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cousybo01.html
Wilt stans: boo the 1960s was the peak of the NBA. Cousey would be a top player nowadays, its rules were different back then

[CelticBaller]

again, the best players of that era were just athletic muscular dudes, tony allen would be MJ in that era

[MavsSuperFan]

McGee would dominate that era just due to his athleticism alone. 20, 12, 8 at least.
you are underrating McGee. That era of the nba was defined by 3 things.

1. racial quotas- Teams (there were a few exceptions) didnt try to build the best possible team. they tried to build teams that had the "right" (in their opinion) racial balance. A lot of good black players were denied positions because the teams already had their black player quota filled.

This resulted in much weaker overall competition.

Assuming that McGee gets into the league, he would benefit from playing this artificially weak league.

2. Much lower financial incentives- back in that era, there was much less financial incentives to become an NBA player. MVP level players could make over 100k, but the vast majority of the league would have been better off with normal careers, such as a doctor or a lawyer, etc. Back then a lot of the NBA players would have been more accurately described as semi-pro as they had to work second jobs to make ends meet.

Also this obviously limits the amount of effort they can put into developing their skills as players. Also people that were already rich or had better career prospects might not have wanted to become players. Eg steph curry comes from a rich family.

NBA players today basically work their whole lives to become NBA players, because the financial rewards of the NBA make this a good option. From childhood kids like wiggins focus more on AAU basketball than they do schoolwork. You can debate whether that is good or not for them overall, but its indisputable it results in better skills.

Back in that era you had players like bob pettit who got a law degree. What pro athlete today gets a law degree? No one does, players today focus on improving at their sport. Even in college they sometimes read at a 5th grade level, because unlike in the past they work hard to improve at their sport.

Maybe thats not a good thing overall, but it does indicate the level of basketball played today > the level of basketball played in the 1960s.

3. The NBA had a much smaller talent pool-
US population in 1960 179,323,175, US population in 2010 308,745,538
That doesn't even factor in the people in the US illegally nowadays.
In the 1960s basketball was also much less popular and had zero international representation.

Its much harder to make the NBA today

It is crazy how some of ish refuse to discount some of the stats and accomplishments (awards and rings) accumulated against the flawed competition of the 1960s NBA.

They use racist arguments to defend the indefensible.

White players in the NBA today aren't in the NBA because they are white. A lot of the white players in the NBA back then were in the NBA at least partially to maintain the whiteness of the teams.

[Marchesk]

I count 5 out of 6 black players in this photo:

http://prohoopshistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/corbis-u1422672.jpg

[mehyaM24]

Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed, Zelmo Beaty, Jerry Lucas, Bill Russell, Young Kareem Abdul Jabbar,Wayne Embry, and Walt Bellamy = please shut the **** up

None better than shaq. ..shaq can make a shot from outside 15 feet,but he is/was too smart for that. dude had 19 straight seasons over 55% every single YEAR. for comparison sake,wilt had 7 straight scoring titles,0 of which he cracked 55%. didnt shoot over 55% until he stopped shooting the ball.

shaq also has an nba record 13 straight seasons averaging 20-10 and 10 straight years over 26 ppg...too bad the centers with jumpers couldnt score like shaq :cheers:

[fpliii]

Wilt stans: boo the 1960s was the peak of the NBA. Cousey would be a top player nowadays, its rules were different back then
I'm not a Wilt stan so I can't speak for them, but I don't think many are saying that about Cousy.

Almost everyone recognizes that the 60s NBA was very, very different than the 50s NBA. The league was integrated by the middle of the decade.

All I believe, is that star players from that point on, would be stars today. That's it. The present mini-era began probably in 07-08. Stars aside, you have to question how most players from any era would translate into today's NBA. Not just the 60s, but the 70s, 80s, 90s as well due to rule changes (to varying degrees).

you are underrating McGee. That era of the nba was defined by 3 things.

1. racial quotas- Teams (there were a few exceptions) didnt try to build the best possible team. they tried to build teams that had the "right" (in their opinion) racial balance. A lot of good black players were denied positions because the teams already had their black player quota filled.

This resulted in much weaker overall competition.

Assuming that McGee gets into the league, he would benefit from playing this artificially weak league.

2. Much lower financial incentives- back in that era, there was much less financial incentives to become an NBA player. MVP level players could make over 100k, but the vast majority of the league would have been better off with normal careers, such as a doctor or a lawyer, etc. Back then a lot of the NBA players would have been more accurately described as semi-pro as they had to work second jobs to make ends meet.

Also this obviously limits the amount of effort they can put into developing their skills as players. Also people that were already rich or had better career prospects might not have wanted to become players. Eg steph curry comes from a rich family.

NBA players today basically work their whole lives to become NBA players, because the financial rewards of the NBA make this a good option. From childhood kids like wiggins focus more on AAU basketball than they do schoolwork. You can debate whether that is good or not for them overall, but its indisputable it results in better skills.

Back in that era you had players like bob pettit who got a law degree. What pro athlete today gets a law degree? No one does, players today focus on improving at their sport. Even in college they sometimes read at a 5th grade level, because unlike in the past they work hard to improve at their sport.

Maybe thats not a good thing overall, but it does indicate the level of basketball played today > the level of basketball played in the 1960s.

3. The NBA had a much smaller talent pool-
US population in 1960 179,323,175, US population in 2010 308,745,538
That doesn't even factor in the people in the US illegally nowadays.
In the 1960s basketball was also much less popular and had zero international representation.

Its much harder to make the NBA today

It is crazy how some of ish refuse to discount some of the stats and accomplishments (awards and rings) accumulated against the flawed competition of the 1960s NBA.

They use racist arguments to defend the indefensible.

White players in the NBA today aren't in the NBA because they are white. A lot of the white players in the NBA back then were in the NBA at least partially to maintain the whiteness of the teams.
1) Where is the proof of racial quotas in the 60s (not the 50s)? I've posted the racial breakdown for players in the league season-by-season, by the end of the decade the racial breakdown was similar to the present league.
2) How many players by the end of the 60s held second jobs? I agree regarding the AAU circuit and the like. When did salaries blow up? Not for some time, as into the 80s you'd have star players making in the hundreds of thousands (Bernard King, for example).
3) Okay, when do you feel the "modern NBA" began? With the merger? 219M people. 1980 (Magic/Bird/3pointer)? 227M. MJ's rookie year? 235M. Not exactly a massive gap, eh?

[CavaliersFTW]

I'm not a Wilt stan so I can't speak for them, but I don't think many are saying that about Cousy.

Almost everyone recognizes that the 60s NBA was very, very different than the 50s NBA. The league was integrated by the middle of the decade.

All I believe, is that star players from that point on, would be stars today. That's it. The present mini-era began probably in 07-08. Stars aside, you have to question how most players from any era would translate into today's NBA. Not just the 60s, but the 70s, 80s, 90s as well due to rule changes (to varying degrees).

1) Where is the proof of racial quotas in the 60s (not the 50s)? I've posted the racial breakdown for players in the league season-by-season, by the end of the decade the racial breakdown was similar to the present league.
2) How many players by the end of the 60s held second jobs? I agree regarding the AAU circuit and the like. When did salaries blow up? Not for some time, as into the 80s you'd have star players making in the hundreds of thousands (Bernard King, for example).
3) Okay, when do you feel the "modern NBA" began? With the merger? 219M people. 1980 (Magic/Bird/3pointer)? 227M. MJ's rookie year? 235M. Not exactly a massive gap, eh?
50's NBA was not very very different from 60's NBA, I mean racially sure that's about as dramatic a change as there was but the game itself was not much different in the 50's to 60's ...anymore so than the 90's was to the '00's... there was a changing of the guard, there was integration, a few more minor rule changes, but it was still basketball. People underrated the shit out of 60's ball until others and myself started providing comprehensive looks at the game back then via footage, and explanations as to what visual/rule differences existed and why.

It would be no different if I did the same for 1950's NBA ball. If I did a mix of Bob Cousy it'd become instantly obvious he was a superb ball handler and passer, with few equals ever in peripheral court vision. It's amazing how one slow-motion gif and a lack of availability of media that would serve to counter-point can destroy people's perception of an entire decade. Re-watch my Bob Pettit mix, he's a 1950's player, he looks solid by any standard, great basketball players are great basketball players and they existed even in the 1950's. Luckily in the future a slow motion gif of Kobe fumbling the ball out of his hands or Lebron posting up shouldn't discredit the 2000's because the rest of the era is well documented. If the 1950's was equally as well documented there wouldn't be such ignorance about it.

[dreamwarrior]

he shot a lot of bricks too.

he played 13 years in the league.

never had one season shooting above 40% in field goals.

not one.

he's also considered the best pg ever back then.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/cousybo01.html

It was a different game. Cousy was taking 20 shots per game. At the FT line he was hitting 80% so the guy could shoot. In fact since the 60's the average FT% has stayed the same. Just because players didn't perform athletically didn't mean that they didn't have the potential, just that they were never taught/trained to or even considered it to be an advantage, or it was simply against basketball ethics of the time

[fpliii]

50's NBA was not very very different from 60's NBA, I mean racially sure but the game itself was not much different in the 50's to 60's ...anymore so than the 90's was to the '00's... there was a changing of the guard, there was integration, a few more minor rule changes, but it was still basketball. People underrated the shit out of 60's ball until others and myself started providing comprehensive looks at the game back then via footage, and explanations as to what visual/rule differences existed and why.

It would be no different if I did the same for 1950's NBA ball. If I did a mix of Bob Cousy it'd become instantly obvious he was a superb ball handler and passer, with few equals ever in peripheral court vision. It's amazing how one slow-motion gif and a lack of availability of media that would serve to counter-point can destroy people's perception of an entire decade. Re-watch my Bob Pettit mix, he's a 1950's player, he looks solid by any standard, great basketball players are great basketball players and they existed even in the 1950's. Luckily in the future a slow motion gif of Kobe fumbling the ball out of his hands or Lebron posting up shouldn't discredit the 2000's because the rest of the era is well documented. If the 1950's was equally as well documented there wouldn't be such ignorance about it.
I suppose, but 2 things separate them for me:

1) Introduction of the shot clock. This seems to have really changed the sport, since different types of players/athletes came into the league thereafter (not all of them were able to keep up with conditioning). I'm not sure if players were forced out of the league, but I've heard this before with regards to Mikan.

2) Drastic change in racial composition. I don't think it's as simple as more black players = better basketball, but fewer than 10% of the league was non-white for most of the 50s, and by the mid-60s, the majority of the league was black.

There was actually a third thing, but I had to get up mid-post, and forgot what I was going to say.

I'm 100% open to adjusting my stance (especially as you provide more tape), but I think both are legitimate factors that improved the competition by the mid 60s.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I count 5 out of 6 black players in this photo:

http://prohoopshistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/corbis-u1422672.jpg
Wilt 7'2" ~300 lbs
Russell 6'10" ~250 lbs

BBQ chicken

[Vienceslav]

I count 5 out of 6 black players in this photo:

http://prohoopshistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/corbis-u1422672.jpg
Was Thurmond on gear?

[Psileas]

I know its s completely different era, but this makes me laugh.

Someone has to create a gif of the whole play as a reply to this, then laughs will be cut short when people see Cousy execute a Larry Bird-like pass by suddenly slapping the ball with great speed and precision into a teammate's hands:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE5SDgXLb1g&t=45s

[duskovujosevic]

lol at nikkas making fun of cousy. JUST WATCH

https://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8qk66yQf41ruzeslo4_250.gif

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20Crazy%20Shot/from%20Crazy%20Pass/Bob%20Cousy/to-1.gif

[Marchesk]

50's NBA was not very very different from 60's NBA, I mean racially sure that's about as dramatic a change as there was but the game itself was not much different in the 50's to 60's ...anymore so than the 90's was to the '00's... there was a changing of the guard, there was integration, a few more minor rule changes, but it was still basketball. People underrated the shit out of 60's ball until others and myself started providing comprehensive looks at the game back then via footage, and explanations as to what visual/rule differences existed and why.

It would be no different if I did the same for 1950's NBA ball. If I did a mix of Bob Cousy it'd become instantly obvious he was a superb ball handler and passer, with few equals ever in peripheral court vision. It's amazing how one slow-motion gif and a lack of availability of media that would serve to counter-point can destroy people's perception of an entire decade. Re-watch my Bob Pettit mix, he's a 1950's player, he looks solid by any standard, great basketball players are great basketball players and they existed even in the 1950's. Luckily in the future a slow motion gif of Kobe fumbling the ball out of his hands or Lebron posting up shouldn't discredit the 2000's because the rest of the era is well documented. If the 1950's was equally as well documented there wouldn't be such ignorance about it.

At some point if you go back far enough in time, the competition is inferior to later eras. Humans aren't evolving on such short time scales, but they do benefit from better nutritional understanding, better training, better strategies, the league opening up to more players and so forth.

I defend the best players from the 60s, but I do think that in general athletes are improving over time. That is the trend across the board. Some of it is PEDs and better equipment, but some of it is more scientific year around training with great attention to detail.

That being said, a guy like Wilt just doesn't come along very often. Doesn't matter what advantages you have now, finding a 7 footer with his athleticism and skill is very rare. Guys like him and Shaq are once in a generation.

[WillC]

Wilt 7'2" ~300 lbs
Russell 6'10" ~250 lbs

BBQ chicken

You're so dumb that you actually think that's Bill Russell fighting Wilt for the rebound? Bill Russell had his hands full trying to deal with Nate Thurmond.

Time for you to learn a bit about NBA history. Google Tom Sanders.

Stick to posting about the modern game. You know nothing about NBA history.

[CavaliersFTW]

Someone has to create a gif of the whole play as a reply to this, then laughs will be cut short when people see Cousy execute a Larry Bird-like pass by suddenly slapping the ball with great speed and precision into a teammate's hands:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE5SDgXLb1g&t=45s
There are several holy-shit level plays in that random 3 minutes of 1950's basketball footage. That's like a small small sample of what Bob Cousy could do, only an insignificant fraction of his footage which in and of itself is only an insignificant fraction of his career. That's why I won't assume 1950's basketball was crap as others seem to do automatically. Collecting Bob Pettit's footage and seeing guys like Maurice Stokes, Elgin, Russell, and Cousy or even an old man Mikan at 280lbs running the floor on the fast break in the 50's has taken away my preconcieved notions about 1950's ball. Different rules for sure, but there was obvious talent even back then.

Cousy had legit style to his game, I know palming rules were different but I also someties wonder if a lot of the ball-slap style dribbling seen more frequently in the 1950's that some now make fun of was a more or less in large part, a trend, set by people trying to emulate the influential Cousy, which later faded as new players with different dribbling styles from other great ball handlers emerged (such as the spins of Earl Monroe, or the crossovers/jab steps of Archie Clark, etc). That is to say that, there is more than one way to skin a cat (handle the ball well) and I wonder if his particularly high dribble looks weird and flamboyant on purpose because he was so confident in his ability to keep the ball under control, I have footage of him being chased around by a mob of kids on a playground every one of them trying to steal the ball from him - he's just slapping the ball with his fingertips rapidly, in a way that if i tried it I'd lose it, but none of them could ruin his dribble he went under his legs and ran around the court unphased.

[Deuce Bigalow]

You're so dumb that you actually think that's Bill Russell fighting Wilt for the rebound? Bill Russell had his hands full trying to deal with Nate Thurmond.

Time for you to learn a bit about NBA history. Google Tom Sanders.

Stick to posting about the modern game. You know nothing about NBA history.
Dafuq? Of course not. You are well aware that I know some NBA history.

A bunch of black guys doesn't make it highly competitive for Wilt. The problem is the lack of size for anyone to match up with Wilt. I don't really care that Bill was known as a great defender, he was too small, just like every center Wilt faced except for Kareem.

[KingBeasley08]

lol at nikkas making fun of cousy. JUST WATCH


http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20Crazy%20Shot/from%20Crazy%20Pass/Bob%20Cousy/to-1.gif
My PG in high school made several of those passes every game :coleman:

[Dr.J4ever]

I suppose, but 2 things separate them for me:

1) Introduction of the shot clock. This seems to have really changed the sport, since different types of players/athletes came into the league thereafter (not all of them were able to keep up with conditioning). I'm not sure if players were forced out of the league, but I've heard this before with regards to Mikan.

2) Drastic change in racial composition. I don't think it's as simple as more black players = better basketball, but fewer than 10% of the league was non-white for most of the 50s, and by the mid-60s, the majority of the league was black.

There was actually a third thing, but I had to get up mid-post, and forgot what I was going to say.

I'm 100% open to adjusting my stance (especially as you provide more tape), but I think both are legitimate factors that improved the competition by the mid 60s.

Maybe you forgot the change in the size of the lane. When did that happen? The shaded lane used to be a really thin area, but they changed it because of Mikan.

Wasn't the lane widened again during the 60s because of Wilt? Doesn't this also drastically change the game?

[LAZERUSS]

Maybe you forgot the change in the size of the lane. When did that happen? The shaded lane used to be a really thin area, but they changed it because of Mikan.

Wasn't the lane widened again during the 60s because of Wilt? Doesn't this also drastically change the game?

Yes, and no.

They widened the lane because of Wilt, but it most certainly did not affect Wilt...at all.

In his 63-64 season, Chamberlain averaged 36.9 ppg on a .524 FG%.

In the first half of the 64-65 season, an ill Wilt averaged 38.9 ppg on a .499 FG%. He was traded to the Sixers, and with a better roster, his shooting declined, and he wound up with at 34.7 ppg on a .510 FG%. And, in his very next season, he would averaged 33.5 ppg on a then record .540 FG% (which he would shatter the very next season after that, with a .683 FG%.)

[jamal99]

http://oi33.tinypic.com/25q817l.jpg
Such anklebreaker :lol

[fpliii]

Maybe you forgot the change in the size of the lane. When did that happen? The shaded lane used to be a really thin area, but they changed it because of Mikan.

Wasn't the lane widened again during the 60s because of Wilt? Doesn't this also drastically change the game?
Not sure, I don't think it was a rule change I was thinking of...probably just combined it with the shot clock stuff in point 1 (I think it was playstyle stuff), but it's not as big a factor as the other 2.

[Dr.J4ever]

Yes, and no.

They widened the lane because of Wilt, but it most certainly did not affect Wilt...at all.

In his 63-64 season, Chamberlain averaged 36.9 ppg on a .524 FG%.

In the first half of the 64-65 season, an ill Wilt averaged 38.9 ppg on a .499 FG%. He was traded to the Sixers, and with a better roster, his shooting declined, and he wound up with at 34.7 ppg on a .510 FG%. And, in his very next season, he would averaged 33.5 ppg on a then record .540 FG% (which he would shatter the very next season after that, with a .683 FG%.)

Yes, hopefully someone can answer (1)when exactly did the 1950s pencil thin lane change to a more respectable lane due to Mikan? And (2) , when did the lane change AGAIN because of Wilt to more modern lane we see today?

This should give a context to the discussions about changes in the game for obvious reasons.

[Dr.J4ever]

Not sure, I don't think it was a rule change I was thinking of...probably just combined it with the shot clock stuff in point 1 (I think it was playstyle stuff), but it's not as big a factor as the other 2.

I have to disagree with you here. Have you seen the pencil thin lane during the 50s? I could have posted up and scored on that.

[LAZERUSS]

Yes, hopefully someone can answer (1)when exactly did the 1950s pencil thin lane change to a more respectable lane due to Mikan? And (2) , when did the lane change AGAIN because of Wilt to more modern lane we see today?

This should give a context to the discussions about changes in the game for obvious reasons.

I gave you the "Wilt" answer:

Before the start of the 64-65 season. And again, it did not affect Wilt at all.

Before the start of the 51-52 season, it was widened from 6 to 12 ft ("Mikan Rule")

Interesting, though...is that the NBA widened the lane from 12 ft to 16 ft because of WILT, but college is still played today with a 12 ft lane.

[fpliii]

I have to disagree with you here. Have you seen the pencil thin lane during the 50s? I could have posted up and scored on that.
lol possibly, but when I mentioned those 2 things, I meant in terms of the type of players coming into the league. Do you think the lane width changed that?

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a huge deal. Going from 6->12->16 feet is crazy, but I think adding a shot clock contributed more to forcing the Mikans of the world out of the league than changing the lane did (though I guess it could be both equally :confusedshrug: maybe I'm underestimating this particular change).

[LAZERUSS]

lol possibly, but when I mentioned those 2 things, I meant in terms of the type of players coming into the league. Do you think the lane width changed that?

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a huge deal. Going from 6->12->16 feet is crazy, but I think adding a shot clock contributed more to forcing the Mikans of the world out of the league than changing the lane did (though I guess it could be both equally :confusedshrug: maybe I'm underestimating this particular change).

It had practically NO effect. It didn't affect Wilt AT ALL. And it only slightly affected the rest of the NBA.

63-64: 111 ppg on an eFG% of .433.
64-65: 110.6 ppg on n eFG% of .426.

The sole intention was to reduce WILT's domination. Again, Wilt went from 36.9 ppg on .524, to 34.7 ppg on .510, but at mid-season, and obviously ill, Wilt was averaging 38.9 ppg on a .499 FG%. And again, in the 65-66 season, Chamberlain averaged 33.5 ppg on a .540 FG%.

[Dr.J4ever]

It had practically NO effect. It didn't affect Wilt AT ALL. And it only slightly affected the rest of the NBA.

63-64: 111 ppg on an eFG% of .433.
64-65: 110.6 ppg on n eFG% of .426.

The sole intention was to reduce WILT's domination. Again, Wilt went from 36.9 ppg on .524, to 34.7 ppg on .510, but at mid-season, and obviously ill, Wilt was averaging 38.9 ppg on a .499 FG%. And again, in the 65-66 season, Chamberlain averaged 33.5 ppg on a .540 FG%.
Well, Wilt was one of a kind, as i have repeatedly mentioned in the past. The guy could walk into today's league and average no less than 25 ppg 16rpg. I haven't checked all the numbers, but a 4 foot change during the 60s, just by common sense, should be an enormous change for most other post up players.

However, isn't it interesting to note most of Wilt's bigger numbers happened before the lane was widened once again in the 60s. After the lane was widened, his numbers gradually declined. I will concede though that the lane may have been only one of the factors for this.

[LAZERUSS]

Well, Wilt was one of a kind, as i have repeatedly mentioned in the past. The guy could walk into today's league and average no less than 25 ppg 16rpg. I haven't checked all the numbers, but a 4 foot change during the 60s, just by common sense, should be an enormous change for most other post up players.

However, isn't it interesting to note most of Wilt's bigger numbers happened before the lane was widened once again in the 60s. After the lane was widened, his numbers gradually declined. I will concede though that the lane may have been only one of the factors for this.

The real reason that Wilt's numbers declined were mainly attributed to coaching, and surrounding rosters.

As late as his 68-69 season, in a year in which he averaged 20.5 ppg, and hardly shot the ball...SI ran an article essentially claiming that Wilt could no longer score. The night before it hit the newstands, Chamberlain erupted for a 60 point game. A few days later, he exploded for a 66 point game (on 29-35 shooting.)

BTW, Wilt's new coach before the start of the 69-70 season, asked Wilt to become the focal point of the Laker offense. Wilt responded by leading the league in scoring in his first nine games, at 32.2 ppg (on a .579 FG%), and in fact was having one of his greatest games... 33 points on 13-14 shooting, with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter...when he blew out his knee. He might have had one of his greatest statistical seasons of his career had that not happened.

[Psileas]

The real reason that Wilt's numbers declined were mainly attributed to coaching, and surrounding rosters.

As late as his 68-69 season, in a year in which he averaged 20.5 ppg, and hardly shot the ball...SI ran an article essentially claiming that Wilt could no longer score. The night before it hit the newstands, Chamberlain erupted for a 60 point game. A few days later, he exploded for a 66 point game (on 29-35 shooting.)

BTW, Wilt's new coach before the start of the 69-70 season, asked Wilt to become the focal point of the Laker offense. Wilt responded by leading the league in scoring in his first nine games, at 32.2 ppg (on a .579 FG%), and in fact was having one of his greatest games... 33 points on 13-14 shooting, with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter...when he blew out his knee. He might have had one of his greatest statistical seasons of his career had that not happened.

Yeah, a case can be made that Wilt's productivity also technically "increased" twice during the mid-60's. Like you mentioned, he was at 38.9 ppg midway in the 1965 season (vs 36.9 in 1964), then he got "only" 30.1 ppg in the rest of the season due to changing team, then got to 33.5 ppg in 1966. Which is an indication that, if he had stayed to the Warriors OR traded to the Sixers early on, he could still have had a season of increased ppg productivity, whereas officially he declined from 1962 and on. Especially if the latter had happened.