Have black Americans become too American?

[Godzuki]

or rather their own sub culture, where they've forgotten where they've come from?

When i read about the South Korean Ferry tragedy my heart sank. In fact it almost put me in tears which never happens when i read/watch the news. Watching all of these families and parents crying hit real close to home despite never having been to Korea, or having many Korean friends. it felt like that was a part of my family watching coverage of it. I can't even watch it because it gets too depressing where i get emotional just from seeing the parents crying, or the shots of students who passed. There is just something about being Korean seeing a Korean tragedy like this that is much more personal.

About a month~ ago in Nigeria 276 female school children were abducted by a radical Islamist group in the middle of the night. Their leader made a threat a year ago they would start kidnapping girls and selling them as slaves for pay back of Nigerian military going after their groups wives and kids. The Nigerian military raided one of these groups awhile back deep in the jungle and found many of the girls that were kidnapped had become pregnant or had kids, and were converted to Islam. They are actually raping and converting these young girls to Islam, and then selling them as slaves. The Nigerian government hasn't been able to do much, partly it seems because people are scared to talk in fear of reprisal. Other part being the government is apparently crumbling. Now there has become a cry to the world to help.

Meanwhile back in America this has coincided with the Donald Sterling scandal. Black people in America are outraged he had the nerve to tell a squeeze not to bring black people with her to games. Now every famous black celeb, including every minority group most of which are african american groups, have been outraged by Sterlings comments. For all of the outcry by every African American person regarding Donald Sterling there is not a single cry for whats going on in Nigeria, which obviously is a much more severe situation. You would think there would be since the African American groups in America have a lot of influence within our country, much more than any other racial group at least. We have a black president and some of the most influentially rich celebrities are African American in our country.

Try not to take what i'm saying here personally although i'm sure some of you will. It is something i really wonder so i don't really care if people get butthurt and come at me. My question is do most black people in America have any bias towards Africa and what goes on there? Maybe my expectations for people to care about where they're from are unfair since i don't really care about what goes on in China. I don't care what goes on in Japan as much although i am asian. So without the ability to be distinct in where you're specifically from is it the same thing as me caring for what goes on in Korea if i'm korean? Do you feel you share a extra personal attachment to people in/from Africa, or maybe even specific parts? or do you generally feel indifferent because you are so ingrained to being African American?

for the record i'm not attacking american black people for not cariing since there can be many reasons why you care more about Sterling than 276 african school children kidnapped. One being you don't read the news much, another being Africa is a mess and what goes on there seems uncontrollable, or Sterling affects you more than something thousands of miles away.

I'm more wondering how you see yourself as a American black person in relation to Africa or Africans being your home country....does it affect you personally in any way to read news like that out of Africa?

[christian1923]

I've noticed Americans blacks and foriegn blacks never get along.

[rufuspaul]

for the record i'm not attacking american black people for not cariing since there can be many reasons why you care more about Sterling than 276 african school children kidnapped.


So you care enough about the Korean ferry tragedy to shed a tear and turn off the TV? That really helps. Maybe if black Americans quit paying attention to Donald Sterling and started shedding tears over Nigerian kidnappings that would assuredly accomplish

[D-FENS]

I've noticed Americans blacks and foriegn blacks never get along.

I wouldn't ever say never. There's just a different value system.

The reason no one has really spoken about what's happening in Nigeria is that people are not educated on the matter, and it's not being shoved down our throats 24-7.

South Korea's ferry tragedy has featured on the news because they are viewed as a civilized country and a western ally.

I heard someone on the street say just this morning that all Islamic people should be killed. Terrible. What we really need is more people to stand up to these bully terrorist organisations. We need people to confront them. Terrorists need to be taught that you cannot **** with society.

It's absolutely horrible what's happened in Nigeria, but a lack of education, a feeling of helplessness, and perhaps not even knowing what's going on are all contributing factors.

[D-FENS]

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]So you care enough about the Korean ferry tragedy to shed a tear and turn off the TV? That really helps. Maybe if black Americans quit paying attention to Donald Sterling and started shedding tears over Nigerian kidnappings that would assuredly accomplish

[GimmeThat]

" I don't care what goes on in Japan as much although i am asian. "


BUT OH NO!!! IT MADE YOUR HEART SUNK WHEN YOU WATCHED THE KOREA FERRY GO DOWN



Where's Steve Nash when you need an expert on reverse racism.

[Godzuki]

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]So you care enough about the Korean ferry tragedy to shed a tear and turn off the TV? That really helps. Maybe if black Americans quit paying attention to Donald Sterling and started shedding tears over Nigerian kidnappings that would assuredly accomplish

[D-FENS]

When some tragedy occurs and a bunch of white people in Europe die it doesn't affect me any greater because I'm white. I think many of us tend to relate on a deeper level to our own countrymen these days.

Also, as a nation we tend to be a little self-obsessed anyway. Combine that with being able to relate more easily to people from your own culture and country, and I think that helps to explain it.

Shannon, do you have red curly hair? I have always pictured you that way. Not sure why, maybe it's the name Shannon.
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/68/f7/3d/68f73d77f9a7329b1404431de5f4d422.jpg

[D-FENS]

my question is about perception, or perspective obviously. accomplishing has nothing to do with what i asked, altho accomplishing something is possible, which will probably happen once our government gets involved.

for a dentist you really have a low IQ and don't seem to follow much, let alone be able to make much of a argument for your thoughts intelligently in any way, ever~

at least your extreme bitterness towards me always makes me chuckle from bullying so bad back in the day lol :D

Mechanic calling a dentist low IQ.... I've seen it all.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Godzuki]

I wouldn't ever say never. There's just a different value system.

The reason no one has really spoken about what's happening in Nigeria is that people are not educated on the matter, and it's not being shoved down our throats 24-7.

South Korea's ferry tragedy has featured on the news because they are viewed as a civilized country and a western ally.

I heard someone on the street say just this morning that all Islamic people should be killed. Terrible. What we really need is more people to stand up to these bully terrorist organisations. We need people to confront them. Terrorists need to be taught that you cannot **** with society.

It's absolutely horrible what's happened in Nigeria, but a lack of education, a feeling of helplessness, and perhaps not even knowing what's going on are all contributing factors.

many people in America CAN speak up about what goes on in Africa, let alone Nigeria, and bring attention to it but thats why i expressed this thought and was curious how many African Americans thought of African people. I wonder even if they were all aware of what was going on in Nigeria if it would take precedence in outcry over Donald Sterling.

The circumstances of African Americans to Africa are very different to me being Korean and my views towards Korea, but again thats why i wonder this...

[Godzuki]

Mechanic calling a dentist low IQ.... I've seen it all.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


well i can tell you're really butthurt by me asking this question and i knew some of you would take it that way, because some of you are extremely sensitive with anything regarding race related questions.

i let what i type and follow with arguments speak for itself. all Rufus does is tag along to what others say purposely saying very little in all respects because he doesn't know much. its very obvious. plus he's like you still extremely bitter at me over being clowned real hard back in the day...always trying to get back to me even if i'm not even trying to fight these days which makes some of you bolder because i'm not hitting you all back anymore.

sorry if i've hurt you in the past, can't do much about it now. and i'm not calling you a sellout so don't let your paranoid thoughts convince you that i am, since i know the circumstances are very different between me beinig korean and how i view Korea to african americans and how they view africa...

[Godzuki]

When some tragedy occurs and a bunch of white people in Europe die it doesn't affect me any greater because I'm white. I think many of us tend to relate on a deeper level to our own countrymen these days.

Also, as a nation we tend to be a little self-obsessed anyway. Combine that with being able to relate more easily to people from your own culture and country, and I think that helps to explain it.


thing is the sub culture of America with African American's seems very different than with foreigners/immigrants. to the point that being African American is so ingrained to their way of life and influence where a home country is very foreign to them. African Americans seemed to have created a more unique sub culture unto themselves here than most other minorities is what i'm saying, and in that i wonder if they don't see Africa as 'home' or bias as being their home.

[rufuspaul]

Mechanic calling a dentist low IQ.... I've seen it all.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


He's not a mechanic. I have respect for good mechanics. Godzuki's uncle owns a body shop and they let him sweep up after them, clean the bathroom, etc. Sad. It must be hard being the black sheep of a Korean family.

[D-FENS]

We need deaths. We have too many people. I feel sad for those that suffer, but we do need disasters, diseases and famines.

What happened to those Koreans is sad, but that's a disaster. They happen.

The kidnapping of those girls is through terrorism and you're right, it should be a much larger issue - but I don't think calling out black Americans is all that helpful. Like Shannon said, we aren't all worldly Korean mechanics.

[GimmeThat]

many people in America CAN speak up about what goes on in Africa, let alone Nigeria, and bring attention to it but thats why i expressed this thought and was curious how many African Americans thought of African people. I wonder even if they were all aware of what was going on in Nigeria if it would take precedence in outcry over Donald Sterling.

The circumstances of African Americans to Africa are very different to me being Korean and my views towards Korea, but again thats why i wonder this...

Because humanity isn't about "Koreans or Blacks made it to America and now give it back to Koreans and Blacks"

Humanity is simply about caring for others.

And no, the Donald Sterling outcry is because it is something happening HERE, in OUR HOMELAND.

Let me guess, your heart didn't sank when mass shooting took place here in America. Because that is very much so different than "a KOREAN ferry being sunk" And if you did, maybe Korean Americans have become too American.

:biggums:

[Godzuki]

We need deaths. We have too many people. I feel sad for those that suffer, but we do need disasters, diseases and famines.

What happened to those Koreans is sad, but that's a disaster. They happen.

The kidnapping of those girls is through terrorism and you're right, it should be a much larger issue - but I don't think calling out black Americans is all that helpful. Like Shannon said, we aren't all worldly Korean mechanics.


lol you're so sensitive -defensive, like i said i knew some of you wouldn't be able to handle this thread and i expected this. oh well.

for the record i'm not so much callling out black america but asking their views towards Africa and was hoping for some honest feedback. I see African American culture as very different and ingrained to be their 'home' than most other minorities here who have nowhere near the sub culture in America. this is probably way over your head tho.

[GimmeThat]

thing is the sub culture of America with African American's seems very different than with foreigners/immigrants. to the point that being African American is so ingrained to their way of life and influence where a home country is very foreign to them. African Americans seemed to have created a more unique sub culture unto themselves here than most other minorities is what i'm saying, and in that i wonder if they don't see Africa as 'home' or bias as being their home.


Black Americans ARE a part of America.
And there ARE Americans who are black.

You might have to learn how to distinguish those first.

If you think Asian American shouldn't be a part of America, but a part of Asia living in America.



Tell Marco Rubio I found reasons why we should tighten up our immigration policy.

[GimmeThat]

lol you're so sensitive -defensive, like i said i knew some of you wouldn't be able to handle this thread and i expected this. oh well.

for the record i'm not so much callling out black america but asking their views towards Africa and was hoping for some honest feedback. I see African American culture as very different and ingrained to be their 'home' than most other minorities here who have nowhere near the sub culture in America. this is probably way over your head tho.


No, no, no, you've made it into a subculture alright

the sub culture of being a beta in America

[Godzuki]

Because humanity isn't about "Koreans or Blacks made it to America and now give it back to Koreans and Blacks"

Humanity is simply about caring for others.

And no, the Donald Sterling outcry is because it is something happening HERE, in OUR HOMELAND.

Let me guess, your heart didn't sank when mass shooting took place here in America. Because that is very much so different than "a KOREAN ferry being sunk" And if you did, maybe Korean Americans have become too American.

:biggums:


i think its normal for someone of a specific race background to be extra sensitive over their own race tragedies, and i think its a politically correct farce that we are supposed to care equally about everyone.

call it racist, but to me its reality. the racial guilt trips these days are to the point they're unrealistic.

[GimmeThat]

i think its normal for someone of a specific race background to be extra sensitive over their own race tragedies, and i think its a politically correct farce that we are supposed to care equally about everyone.

call it racist, but to me its reality. the racial guilt trips these days are to the point they're unrealistic.

what's next. your anti-interracial relationship propaganda?

[D-FENS]

i think its normal for someone of a specific race background to be extra sensitive over their own race tragedies, and i think its a politically correct farce that we are supposed to care equally about everyone.

call it racist, but to me its reality. the racial guilt trips these days are to the point they're unrealistic.

I felt sadder to hear of an accident in Korea than I would if something happened in Ukraine because I spent time in Korea.

So you're somewhat correct.

[Godzuki]

Black Americans ARE a part of America.
And there ARE Americans who are black.

You might have to learn how to distinguish those first.

If you think Asian American shouldn't be a part of America, but a part of Asia living in America.



Tell Marco Rubio I found reasons why we should tighten up our immigration policy.


you don't get what i'm saying.

Asian Americans sub culture in America is very asian. for example for koreans many have made or live in mini Korea's in America. Whether that is Korea Town in LA, or a bunch of Korean business's in Virginia, their sub culture is still very Korean for Korean Americans.

where as with African Americans its not about Africa so much, they're not living and creating these mini Africa's with African bars, foods, etc. In fact there is very little Africa in how most African American's live in America, where they've adapted/created their own sub culture more akin to rap, hip hop, or even basketball, amongst other things that are completely unrelated to Africa.

And how their perceptions towards their home countries differ is what i wonder~

[D-FENS]

you don't get what i'm saying.

Asian Americans sub culture in America is very asian. for example for koreans many have made or live in mini Korea's in America. Whether that is Korea Town in LA, or a bunch of Korean business's in Virginia, their sub culture is still very Korean for Korean Americans.

where as with African Americans its not about Africa so much, they're not living and creating these mini Africa's with African bars, foods, etc. In fact there is very little Africa in how most African American's live in America, where they've adapted/created their own sub culture more akin to rap, hip hop, or even basketball, amongst other things that are completely unrelated to Africa.

And how their perceptions towards their home countries differ is what i wonder~


Number 1 difference = time and immigration

Asians are still immigrating to the US, Canada, Australia and NZ at record paces. We're always going to have Asian FOBs that want to just hangout with other Asians. Their kids become integrated and adopt their new country and culture as their own.

Black people have been in the US for longer, and were not free to live in the culture that they knew. If you have African immigrants now come over to the US, they will create their own small community like Asians do, because blacks and whites are integrated into the same US society.

/END THREAD

[Godzuki]

what's next. your anti-interracial relationship propaganda?
......


if you think everyone, or even most people in this world loves and cares for everyone equally without any racial bias towards their home countries, or their own people, then you have a lot to learn.

i don't find any shame in that at all either. use your lame politically correct calling people 'racist' guilt trips, idc. there was a time where being racist meant you hated black people or some other race but these days some of you take things way too far to being bias for your own race is racist lol. give me a fukkin break.

[rufuspaul]

And how their perceptions towards their home countries differ is what i wonder~



Their home country is the US you stupid ****.

[Godzuki]

Number 1 difference = time and immigration

Asians are still immigrating to the US, Canada, Australia and NZ at record paces. We're always going to have Asian FOBs that want to just hangout with other Asians. Their kids become integrated and adopt their new country and culture as their own.

Black people have been in the US for longer, and were not free to live in the culture that they knew. If you have African immigrants now come over to the US, they will create their own small community like Asians do, because blacks and whites are integrated into the same US society.

/END THREAD


but you/others still haven't told your perceptions towards Africa,

altho at least you've grasped what i'm asking instead of being so butthurt paranoid i'm calling you a sellout.

[Godzuki]

Their home country is the US you stupid ****.


i must've scarred you where you wake up at night in cold sweats :oldlol:

[rufuspaul]

i must've scarred you where you wake up at night in cold sweats :oldlol:

:sleeping


Not worth even pointing out that black Americans are no more African than any other type of American, thus making your thread worthless, like your other threads, your very existence.

[GimmeThat]

......


if you think everyone, or even most people in this world loves and cares for everyone equally without any racial bias towards their home countries, or their own people, then you have a lot to learn.

i don't find any shame in that at all either. use your lame politically correct calling people 'racist' guilt trips, idc. there was a time where being racist meant you hated black people or some other race but these days some of you take things way too far to being bias for your own race is racist lol. give me a fukkin break.


I face the injustice of the reality that people are ignorant every day

what else do I need to learn?

if stating the obvious fact that you lack humanity makes you raise your hand to self-proclaim yourself as a racist.

I restate my first sentence.


I am biased towards my country and my nation. not that of race. as it is one consist of multiple race.

If you don't think that being biased towards your own race, means that you believe your race should live long and prosper more than others. Than what gives.

It's people like you that war exist.

You worthless f*ck

[D-FENS]

but you/others still haven't told your perceptions towards Africa,

altho at least you've grasped what i'm asking instead of being so butthurt paranoid i'm calling you a sellout.

Perception towards Africa. It's a cesspool of greed, deceit and sadness. Pumping money in doesn't work. Giving aid doesn't really seem to work. Education is key. I get sick of seeing killings in the news there, ethnic cleansing and all that shit. I find it depressing as ****, and is the only continent on Earth I have not visited, and I don't desire to go there ever.

They need to teach all of them how to organically farm land. Yes, there is desert land, but there's also a wealth of land for farming. How that affects all the wildlife, I don't know. My family is from a smaller country originally, so I just cannot grasp how countries get so populated. African countries, Asian countries, Dirty-ass India etc. The impoverished need vasectomies.

[Akrazotile]

You see, the American public is not trained to care about incidents like these. Just like people wouldnt watch a Spurs-Pacers final in record numbers. People like to see a goliath go down. They want the Heat, the Patriots, the Yankees, etc in the finals so they can root for them to fail.

This is why white guys who are presumed to represent "white privelege" like Sterling, Fred Phelps, even George Zimmerman just for the sake of creating the dichotomy, are given such great attention when they do or say something offensive to the little guy, whether its actual ramifications are significant or not. Everyone wants to root against the goliath and its really more of a sport, a gathering at the colliseum, for the masses to join in together and "unite as one" to throw stones at the evil sinner representing the opposite of their own superior morals. Is it about making a real difference? No. Its about delighting in the persecution of someone they believe "deserves it".

These kidnappers are also probably black, and muslim, both of which would make them minorities in the US. Theyre also probably poor relative to American standards, also shielding them from the appearance of a goliath.

Imagine if these were european neonazis kidnapping those african girls. The international news establishment would explode. It would be all over every program in America. It would be trayvon martin times a thousand. Because its black on black? Nobody really cares. Theres no goliath to condemn like there would be if the offending party was the racial equivalent of the cowboys, yankees, red wings and so on.



And so thats the reality. People dont tune in to watch the Grizzlies play the Blazers because people dont care about good basketball. They care about reputations at stake, heroes and villains, falls from grace, retribution, etc. They want to see a big arrogant goliath get knocked down, whether its Lebron, Bellichik, Sterling, white supremacists or whatever. And the reality is nobody apparently cares about dying kids in Africa, unless the story has a "juicy" element such as race. THEN all the liberals are pushing and shoving to be the one who is outraged about it the loudest and how we need more tolerance and understanding and corny slogans about how "we are one" :oldlol:

[Godzuki]

I face the injustice of the reality that people are ignorant every day

what else do I need to learn?

if stating the obvious fact that you lack humanity makes you raise your hand to self-proclaim yourself as a racist.

I restate my first sentence.


I am biased towards my country and my nation. not that of race. as it is one consist of multiple race.

If you don't think that being biased towards your own race, means that you believe your race should live long and prosper more than others. Than what gives.

It's people like you that war exist.

You worthless f*ck


thing is by your standards i can guarantee you have a lot of hypocrisy in your views where you pretend everyone should look at everything equally, but i can guarantee you have some bias in you. people like you that stand on such a high horse are always hypocrites because you can't possiblyl uphold your own standards of indifference.

whether that bias comes from tragedies of people that look like you, that look like your parents, that talk like you or your parents, that went through history of oppression where you're more sympathetic to them because they went thru what your forefathers went through, etc. There are a million reasons why a person in this world would care more about something in regards to their own race, than pretend to be indifferent equally across the board.

i'm just honest. i don't think you really are, or really honest with yourself. Get mad at me all you want but at least i'm being honest here.

[GimmeThat]

i'm just honest. i don't think you really are, or really honest with yourself. Get mad at me all you want but at least i'm being honest here.

I've met intelligent blacks, whites, and asians, just as I've met dumb as hell blacks, whites and asians.

And I guess I like intelligent people.

I hope I'm not being too honest here.

[Godzuki]

Perception towards Africa. It's a cesspool of greed, deceit and sadness. Pumping money in doesn't work. Giving aid doesn't really seem to work. Education is key. I get sick of seeing killings in the news there, ethnic cleansing and all that shit. I find it depressing as ****, and is the only continent on Earth I have not visited, and I don't desire to go there ever.

They need to teach all of them how to organically farm land. Yes, there is desert land, but there's also a wealth of land for farming. How that affects all the wildlife, I don't know. My family is from a smaller country originally, so I just cannot grasp how countries get so populated. African countries, Asian countries, Dirty-ass India etc. The impoverished need vasectomies.


i actually agree with a lot of this from what little i know of Africa. it is definitely a cesspool of greed and corruption but i hear most countries outside of the US are....but people i talk to from Africa say the whole country revolves around greed and payoffs.

sad thing is those school girls were abducted because they were trying to get a education. That area was just introduced to educating their females towards better lives, but Boko Haram has Taliban beliefs where women shouldn't be educated and are meant to serve at home, which is partly why they were kidnapped.

[rufuspaul]

Can you tell Starface is a Clippers fan?

[Godzuki]

You see, the American public is not trained to care about incidents like these. Just like people wouldnt watch a Spurs-Pacers final in record numbers. People like to see a goliath go down. They want the Heat, the Patriots, the Yankees, etc in the finals so they can root for them to fail.

This is why white guys who are presumed to represent "white privelege" like Sterling, Fred Phelps, even George Zimmerman just for the sake of creating the dichotomy, are given such great attention when they do or say something offensive to the little guy, whether its actual ramifications are significant or not. Everyone wants to root against the goliath and its really more of a sport, a gathering at the colliseum, for the masses to join in together and "unite as one" to throw stones at the evil sinner representing the opposite of their own superior morals. Is it about making a real difference? No. Its about delighting in the persecution of someone they believe "deserves it".

These kidnappers are also probably black, and muslim, both of which would make them minorities in the US. Theyre also probably poor relative to American standards, also shielding them from the appearance of a goliath.

Imagine if these were european neonazis kidnapping those african girls. The international news establishment would explode. It would be all over every program in America. It would be trayvon martin times a thousand. Because its black on black? Nobody really cares. Theres no goliath to condemn like there would be if the offending party was the racial equivalent of the cowboys, yankees, red wings and so on.



And so thats the reality. People dont tune in to watch the Grizzlies play the Blazers because people dont care about good basketball. They care about reputations at stake, heroes and villains, falls from grace, retribution, etc. They want to see a big arrogant goliath get knocked down, whether its Lebron, Bellichik, Sterling, white supremacists or whatever. And the reality is nobody apparently cares about dying kids in Africa, unless the story has a "juicy" element such as race. THEN all the liberals are pushing and shoving to be the one who is outraged about it the loudest and how we need more tolerance and understanding and corny slogans about how "we are one" :oldlol:


i agree with your points. It is a bigger and badder enemy at the top and someone white which is easier to create a arch enemy out of than black on black injustices, which seems to summarize everything that goes on in Africa where the world doesn't really care so much it seems.

that said i would hope and think most black Americans and America in general will rally around doing something in Nigeria. I think that is where this is headed...

[D-FENS]

I've met intelligent blacks, whites, and asians, just as I've met dumb as hell blacks, whites and asians.

And I guess I like intelligent people.

I hope I'm not being too honest here.

I dislike Godzuki as much as the next person, but that's for his personality. He is a relatively intelligent person, but he fails to express himself properly.

That's the problem with message boards, if you're not able to express yourself clearly, what you say is open to interpretation. Actually, I have had issue with this in the past by not expressing the logic behind a view, I have been bashed by people. I assume people are smart enough to find their own way there, but it's not the case. It's like explaining gravity to cavemen sometimes with the kids here. I'm also too lazy to express a whole thought clearly by typing out a huge-ass post.

Anyway, back to topic. I think you're reading what Godzuki has written at face value. It actually looks like he had deeper thoughts on this topic, and thought he could make a parallel between his own experiences as a Korean American and that of black Americans, when in reality the history and culture of black Americans is far too complex and far too removed from Africa to make a valid comparison. Hence why we don't call black Americans "African Americans."

[rufuspaul]

Anyway, back to topic. I think you're reading what Godzuki has written at face value. It actually looks like he had deeper thoughts on this topic, and thought he could make a parallel between his own experiences as a Korean American and that of black Americans, when in reality the history and culture of black Americans is far too complex and far too removed from Africa to make a valid comparison. Hence why we don't call black Americans "African Americans."


:oldlol: Deep Thoughts by Godzuki

[D-FENS]

Can you tell Starface is a Clippers fan?

:roll:

There's an interesting OT discussion going on, and starface brings the damn Clippers into the picture. I really hope some relocates that team to Seattle. No city deserves two teams other than New York.

[GimmeThat]

Anyway, back to topic. I think you're reading what Godzuki has written at face value. It actually looks like he had deeper thoughts on this topic, and thought he could make a parallel between his own experiences as a Korean American and that of black Americans, when in reality the history and culture of black Americans is far too complex and far too removed from Africa to make a valid comparison. Hence why we don't call black Americans "African Americans."


You mean he's saying that blacks aren't racist enough to care about Africa?

Lincoln may have rolled over in his grave.

Since I'm guessing he employed the blacks as soldier not because he cared about slavery and their rights, but simply because he wanted to win the war.

[Godzuki]

I dislike Godzuki as much as the next person, but that's for his personality. He is a relatively intelligent person, but he fails to express himself properly.

That's the problem with message boards, if you're not able to express yourself clearly, what you say is open to interpretation. Actually, I have had issue with this in the past by not expressing the logic behind a view, I have been bashed by people. I assume people are smart enough to find their own way there, but it's not the case. It's like explaining gravity to cavemen sometimes with the kids here. I'm also too lazy to express a whole thought clearly by typing out a huge-ass post.

Anyway, back to topic. I think you're reading what Godzuki has written at face value. It actually looks like he had deeper thoughts on this topic, and thought he could make a parallel between his own experiences as a Korean American and that of black Americans, when in reality the history and culture of black Americans is far too complex and far too removed from Africa to make a valid comparison. Hence why we don't call black Americans "African Americans."
...

i feel like i've been nothing short of a indifferent poster since my come back....i haven't fought with anyone, more just taking shots from the people i clowned back in the day.

if you still hold past grudges against me like i said nothing i can do about it but i don't feel my 'personality' is all that antagonistic these days...

you're probably right with my original post where i maybe insinuated too much that they should care more about Africa or something along those lines. i also think people here with race related topics are ready to attack first, than understand and react too.

[D-FENS]

:oldlol: Deep Thoughts by Godzuki
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[rufuspaul]

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[D-FENS]

You mean he's saying that blacks aren't racist enough to care about Africa?

Lincoln may have rolled over in his grave.

Since I'm guessing he employed the blacks as soldier not because he cared about slavery and their rights, but simply because he wanted to win the war.

Not what I said at all. No one seems to give a shit about Africa. Black, white, Asian, Hispanic - none. It stems from the media not shoving it down our throats and from people feeling helpless.

Stop trying to find an agenda in what people are saying and pushing your overly PC beliefs on others. All he attempted to do was to try and find a parallel between his situation and black Americans - and it was misguided, but not racist.

[D-FENS]

...

i feel like i've been nothing short of a indifferent poster since my come back....i haven't fought with anyone, more just taking shots from the people i clowned back in the day.

if you still hold past grudges against me like i said nothing i can do about it but i don't feel my 'personality' is all that antagonistic these days...

you're probably right with my original post where i maybe insinuated too much that they should care more about Africa or something along those lines. i also think people here with race related topics are ready to attack first, than understand and react too.


Props to you. Can't we all just get along? :cheers:

Especially in a race thread.

[Godzuki]

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http://i.imgur.com/fxbwdSn.png


this is where the racism preaching some of you did in this thread or elsewhere always comes back around to being hypocritical :lol

i'm not mad tho. life has treated me well, how about you? :cheers:

[D-FENS]

this is where the racism preaching some of you did in this thread or elsewhere always comes back around to being hypocritical :lol

i'm not mad tho. life has treated me well, how about you? :cheers:

Noting racist about this - but it was a bit mean to make fun of someone with DS.

Anyway, we all understand when someone is joking and when someone is being a nasty-ass mofo. No ill intent here.

[Godzuki]

Not what I said at all. No one seems to give a shit about Africa. Black, white, Asian, Hispanic - none. It stems from the media not shoving it down our throats and from people feeling helpless.

Stop trying to find an agenda in what people are saying and pushing your overly PC beliefs on others. All he attempted to do was to try and find a parallel between his situation and black Americans - and it was misguided, but not racist.


thanks. its true tho, in fact i was pissed reading about the Nigerian school girl kidnappings especially the impregnations and being sold off aspects, and really hope we do something about it.

[GimmeThat]

Not what I said at all. No one seems to give a shit about Africa. Black, white, Asian, Hispanic - none. It stems from the media not shoving it down our throats and from people feeling helpless.

Stop trying to find an agenda in what people are saying and pushing your overly PC beliefs on others. All he attempted to do was to try and find a parallel between his situation and black Americans - and it was misguided, but not racist.

:applause:

I do have faith that in a situation, where the utilization of drones would help solve the problems in Africa, our president would sure act upon it.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[MavsSuperFan]

or rather their own sub culture, where they've forgotten where they've come from?

When i read about the South Korean Ferry tragedy my heart sank. In fact it almost put me in tears which never happens when i read/watch the news. Watching all of these families and parents crying hit real close to home despite never having been to Korea, or having many Korean friends. it felt like that was a part of my family watching coverage of it. I can't even watch it because it gets too depressing where i get emotional just from seeing the parents crying, or the shots of students who passed. There is just something about being Korean seeing a Korean tragedy like this that is much more personal.

About a month~ ago in Nigeria 276 female school children were abducted by a radical Islamist group in the middle of the night. Their leader made a threat a year ago they would start kidnapping girls and selling them as slaves for pay back of Nigerian military going after their groups wives and kids. The Nigerian military raided one of these groups awhile back deep in the jungle and found many of the girls that were kidnapped had become pregnant or had kids, and were converted to Islam. They are actually raping and converting these young girls to Islam, and then selling them as slaves. The Nigerian government hasn't been able to do much, partly it seems because people are scared to talk in fear of reprisal. Other part being the government is apparently crumbling. Now there has become a cry to the world to help.

Meanwhile back in America this has coincided with the Donald Sterling scandal. Black people in America are outraged he had the nerve to tell a squeeze not to bring black people with her to games. Now every famous black celeb, including every minority group most of which are african american groups, have been outraged by Sterlings comments. For all of the outcry by every African American person regarding Donald Sterling there is not a single cry for whats going on in Nigeria, which obviously is a much more severe situation. You would think there would be since the African American groups in America have a lot of influence within our country, much more than any other racial group at least. We have a black president and some of the most influentially rich celebrities are African American in our country.

Try not to take what i'm saying here personally although i'm sure some of you will. It is something i really wonder so i don't really care if people get butthurt and come at me. My question is do most black people in America have any bias towards Africa and what goes on there? Maybe my expectations for people to care about where they're from are unfair since i don't really care about what goes on in China. I don't care what goes on in Japan as much although i am asian. So without the ability to be distinct in where you're specifically from is it the same thing as me caring for what goes on in Korea if i'm korean? Do you feel you share a extra personal attachment to people in/from Africa, or maybe even specific parts? or do you generally feel indifferent because you are so ingrained to being African American?

for the record i'm not attacking american black people for not cariing since there can be many reasons why you care more about Sterling than 276 african school children kidnapped. One being you don't read the news much, another being Africa is a mess and what goes on there seems uncontrollable, or Sterling affects you more than something thousands of miles away.

I'm more wondering how you see yourself as a American black person in relation to Africa or Africans being your home country....does it affect you personally in any way to read news like that out of Africa?
Im going to guess you're what first generation american? or did you move here after you were born?

Obviously you will have a closer connection to your homeland/the homeland of your ancestors, than people who have been here for 4+ generations.

Eg. when italian and irish americans first immigrated to america, they were very ethnic. Over time their grandchildren and great grandchildren felt less and less of a connection to their ancestral lands. Nowadays they barely have any connection.

If anything I would say that because of racism blacks have assimilated the slowest of any ethnic/demographic group. Only the young are just now in this generation fully assimilating.

edit: also you are kind of a bad person if you need someone to be similar to you to feel bad for them. I felt bad for both the nigerian school girls and the korean kids. Actually I consider rape worse than death, so I feel a little worse for the school girls as they will probably suffer for the rest of their lives, basically as domestic servants and sex slaves.

[MavsSuperFan]

or rather their own sub culture, where they've forgotten where they've come from?

When i read about the South Korean Ferry tragedy my heart sank. In fact it almost put me in tears which never happens when i read/watch the news. Watching all of these families and parents crying hit real close to home despite never having been to Korea, or having many Korean friends. it felt like that was a part of my family watching coverage of it. I can't even watch it because it gets too depressing where i get emotional just from seeing the parents crying, or the shots of students who passed. There is just something about being Korean seeing a Korean tragedy like this that is much more personal.

About a month~ ago in Nigeria 276 female school children were abducted by a radical Islamist group in the middle of the night. Their leader made a threat a year ago they would start kidnapping girls and selling them as slaves for pay back of Nigerian military going after their groups wives and kids. The Nigerian military raided one of these groups awhile back deep in the jungle and found many of the girls that were kidnapped had become pregnant or had kids, and were converted to Islam. They are actually raping and converting these young girls to Islam, and then selling them as slaves. The Nigerian government hasn't been able to do much, partly it seems because people are scared to talk in fear of reprisal. Other part being the government is apparently crumbling. Now there has become a cry to the world to help.

Meanwhile back in America this has coincided with the Donald Sterling scandal. Black people in America are outraged he had the nerve to tell a squeeze not to bring black people with her to games. Now every famous black celeb, including every minority group most of which are african american groups, have been outraged by Sterlings comments. For all of the outcry by every African American person regarding Donald Sterling there is not a single cry for whats going on in Nigeria, which obviously is a much more severe situation. You would think there would be since the African American groups in America have a lot of influence within our country, much more than any other racial group at least. We have a black president and some of the most influentially rich celebrities are African American in our country.

Try not to take what i'm saying here personally although i'm sure some of you will. It is something i really wonder so i don't really care if people get butthurt and come at me. My question is do most black people in America have any bias towards Africa and what goes on there? Maybe my expectations for people to care about where they're from are unfair since i don't really care about what goes on in China. I don't care what goes on in Japan as much although i am asian. So without the ability to be distinct in where you're specifically from is it the same thing as me caring for what goes on in Korea if i'm korean? Do you feel you share a extra personal attachment to people in/from Africa, or maybe even specific parts? or do you generally feel indifferent because you are so ingrained to being African American?

for the record i'm not attacking american black people for not cariing since there can be many reasons why you care more about Sterling than 276 african school children kidnapped. One being you don't read the news much, another being Africa is a mess and what goes on there seems uncontrollable, or Sterling affects you more than something thousands of miles away.

I'm more wondering how you see yourself as a American black person in relation to Africa or Africans being your home country....does it affect you personally in any way to read news like that out of Africa?

At a minimum I would argue that overall whites have more political power than African americans and also that jewish people (AIPAC) has more political power than African americans.

Even if you broke white people down into specific groups such as (rural farmers (not poor farmers, I am talking about the ones that get government subsidies), religious conservatives, super rich people (not necessarily white, but I would say a significant majority), etc) each of these individual white groups arguably has more power than african americans.

Arguably today the gay rights movement has more influence than african americans. Obama proves that american is not so racist against black people that we arent willing to elect a black person president. Blacks are only 12.7% of the population so it does say something about progress that a black man is president. With that said, he hasnt really focused on advocating for blacks. He isnt al sharpton or jesse jackson. He is a president that happens to be black.


some of the most influentially rich celebrities are African American in our country.


you dont honestly think celebrities have enough money to influence politics to the extent of the Koch brothers, sheldon adelson, george soros, tom steyer etc. do you?

Off the top of my head other than oprah I can't think of a celebrity that has a net worth over a billion dollars.
There are tons of american businessmen with much deeper pockets.

Black people made a big deal about sterling, because it was easy to do so. Boko Haram will be a difficult problem to solve. there really is no easy solution.

[Godzuki]

Im going to guess you're what first generation american? or did you move here after you were born?

Obviously you will have a closer connection to your homeland/the homeland of your ancestors, than people who have been here for 4+ generations.

Eg. when italian and irish americans first immigrated to america, they were very ethnic. Over time their grandchildren and great grandchildren felt less and less of a connection to their ancestral lands. Nowadays they barely have any connection.

If anything I would say that because of racism blacks have assimilated the slowest of any ethnic/demographic group. Only the young are just now in this generation fully assimilating.

edit: also you are kind of a bad person if you need someone to be similar to you to feel bad for them. I felt bad for both the nigerian school girls and the korean kids. Actually I consider rape worse than death, so I feel a little worse for the school girls as they will probably suffer for the rest of their lives, basically as domestic servants and sex slaves.


i was born here in America. i have no real connection to Korea. i grew up very American other than being raised in a very culturally korean way with korean foods, language, and church. otherwise all of my role models were American(mostly black like Pele or MJ), most of my friends were american, and i've never been to Korea.

i do care, its just i care more when i see my own people tragedies and in the Ferry's case watching it reminds me of me, my parents, and things that hit close to home. that doesn't mean i'm indifferent to other race atrocities, in fact i probably care more about some of them than people of their race.

[Godzuki]

At a minimum I would argue that overall whites have more political power than African americans and also that jewish people (AIPAC) has more political power than African americans.

Even if you broke white people down into specific groups such as (rural farmers (not poor farmers, I am talking about the ones that get government subsidies), religious conservatives, super rich people (not necessarily white, but I would say a significant majority), etc) each of these individual white groups arguably has more power than african americans.

Arguably today the gay rights movement has more influence than african americans. Obama proves that american is not so racist against black people that we arent willing to elect a black person president. Blacks are only 12.7% of the population so it does say something about progress that a black man is president. With that said, he hasnt really focused on advocating for blacks. He isnt al sharpton or jesse jackson. He is a president that happens to be black.



you dont honestly think celebrities have enough money to influence politics to the extent of the Koch brothers, sheldon adelson, george soros, tom steyer etc. do you?

Off the top of my head other than oprah I can't think of a celebrity that has a net worth over a billion dollars.
There are tons of american businessmen with much deeper pockets.

Black people made a big deal about sterling, because it was easy to do so. Boko Haram will be a difficult problem to solve. there really is no easy solution.

i think black Americans have significant influence in this country, much more than you are portraying. I get that people generally think the rich Jews control everything from the top but i think thats a conspiracy theorists notion more than reality. I'm not saying they don't have influence but i do not think they are specifically in control of the country entirely through money.

I think black Americans have significant control in terms of anything race related. The guilt trip or shun factor of being prejudice against blacks in America is extremely damning. No other race has that type of pariah factor, or the politically correct extremism towards their race. Its why black community leaders like Rev Al or Jesse Jackson have so much leverage with black community support when race related incidents occur.

its not so much the Oprah's, Obama, or any one powerful black person that has so much influence but its the politically correct mentality of mainstream America that is very bias towards african americans these days where there are double standards that everyone knows exists but tend to be justified accepted.

much of white America are very politically correct, so while there may be a much lower black population in relation, or large segment of white people in the US that are racist, the mainstream of the country supports black people to a fault arguably. What i mean by that is they accept and are okay with racial double standards that exist.

What i'm saying is black people in America are socially powerful i guess. Imo enough to get us to really start doing things in Africa starting with this Boko Haram. We have slowly been getting involved over there where as a decade ago we didn't care at all, but i feel like more and more the guilt trips of us not caring and if black Americans pushed it, more so the famous ones, then they could very easily influence us to get involved much more. I think when Oprah, Obama, or whomever pushes for that cause publicly and puts their money behind it and the black community follows, that movement has more sway than pushing for anything any race could in this country because it influences mainstream America much more than most of you guys want to admit i think.

[GimmeThat]

What i'm saying is black people in America are socially powerful i guess. Imo enough to get us to really start doing things in Africa starting with this Boko Haram. We have slowly been getting involved over there where as a decade ago we didn't care at all, but i feel like more and more the guilt trips of us not caring and if black Americans pushed it, more so the famous ones, then they could very easily influence us to get involved much more. I think when Oprah, Obama, or whomever pushes for that cause publicly and puts their money behind it and the black community follows, that movement has more sway than pushing for anything any race could in this country because it influences mainstream America much more than most of you guys want to admit i think.

Wait, I thought the black Americans were a sub culture of America

Now the Black Americans ARE America?
:wtf:


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[Kiddlovesnets]

Well its a good thing isnt it? People say black Americans dont get along with black Africans, but in fact asian, indian and even latin Americans do not get along that well with their fellows in Asia, India or South America. Its not a problem, its better to be americanized than not.

[Raymone]

Black people used to look like this:

http://i.imgur.com/gQLBdEk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/NUQI1um.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/chZNAJR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CujdsHA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/q4hmGDM.jpg

Now they look like this:

http://i.imgur.com/RhnJGue.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/GlW3OSg.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RMWSWgN.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XFV5HOW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/8LIIW4b.jpg

Very few scary ones anymore.

[DonDadda59]

Most 'African Americans' are many generations removed from their African ancestry, in many cases even more so than their 'European American' counterparts. I mean, do Italian Americans whose grandparents emigrated here in the 1920s pay attention to what's going on in Sicily today? Some Black people's ancestors were brought to the colonies in the 1600s. They have no connection to Africa whatsoever beyond maybe genetics that were most likely compromised (for lack of a better term) by interracial breeding.

[SamuraiSWISH]

What?

African Americans are ... Americans. How can you be too American?

[longtime lurker]

or rather their own sub culture, where they've forgotten where they've come from?

When i read about the South Korean Ferry tragedy my heart sank. In fact it almost put me in tears which never happens when i read/watch the news. Watching all of these families and parents crying hit real close to home despite never having been to Korea, or having many Korean friends. it felt like that was a part of my family watching coverage of it. I can't even watch it because it gets too depressing where i get emotional just from seeing the parents crying, or the shots of students who passed. There is just something about being Korean seeing a Korean tragedy like this that is much more personal.

About a month~ ago in Nigeria 276 female school children were abducted by a radical Islamist group in the middle of the night. Their leader made a threat a year ago they would start kidnapping girls and selling them as slaves for pay back of Nigerian military going after their groups wives and kids. The Nigerian military raided one of these groups awhile back deep in the jungle and found many of the girls that were kidnapped had become pregnant or had kids, and were converted to Islam. They are actually raping and converting these young girls to Islam, and then selling them as slaves. The Nigerian government hasn't been able to do much, partly it seems because people are scared to talk in fear of reprisal. Other part being the government is apparently crumbling. Now there has become a cry to the world to help.

Meanwhile back in America this has coincided with the Donald Sterling scandal. Black people in America are outraged he had the nerve to tell a squeeze not to bring black people with her to games. Now every famous black celeb, including every minority group most of which are african american groups, have been outraged by Sterlings comments. For all of the outcry by every African American person regarding Donald Sterling there is not a single cry for whats going on in Nigeria, which obviously is a much more severe situation. You would think there would be since the African American groups in America have a lot of influence within our country, much more than any other racial group at least. We have a black president and some of the most influentially rich celebrities are African American in our country.

Try not to take what i'm saying here personally although i'm sure some of you will. It is something i really wonder so i don't really care if people get butthurt and come at me. My question is do most black people in America have any bias towards Africa and what goes on there? Maybe my expectations for people to care about where they're from are unfair since i don't really care about what goes on in China. I don't care what goes on in Japan as much although i am asian. So without the ability to be distinct in where you're specifically from is it the same thing as me caring for what goes on in Korea if i'm korean? Do you feel you share a extra personal attachment to people in/from Africa, or maybe even specific parts? or do you generally feel indifferent because you are so ingrained to being African American?

for the record i'm not attacking american black people for not cariing since there can be many reasons why you care more about Sterling than 276 african school children kidnapped. One being you don't read the news much, another being Africa is a mess and what goes on there seems uncontrollable, or Sterling affects you more than something thousands of miles away.

I'm more wondering how you see yourself as a American black person in relation to Africa or Africans being your home country....does it affect you personally in any way to read news like that out of Africa?

Did you ever consider that one group of people wanted to come to America while the other were forced over here? Their histories and connections to Africa were systematically extinguished during slavery. Basically forced to integrate into American society. Someone who's 4th or 5th generation isn't going to have as strong as connection as someone who's a 2nd generation.

[ace23]

What?

African Americans are ... Americans. How can you be too American?
Was waiting for someone to say it. Didn't feel like responding to this clown.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Was waiting for someone to say it. Didn't feel like responding to this clown.
I can't believe I got suckered into it, but it actually bothered me. I love making fun of racial stereotypes in this country, if you haven't notices but I am by no means racist. I find humor in our differences as people. But we're all Americans.

And I would never dare make such an asinine claim that blacks aren't real Americans. They are the backbone of this country, unfortunately this country was built on their hardships too.

As American as it gets right there.

[Godzuki]

Did you ever consider that one group of people wanted to come to America while the other were forced over here? Their histories and connections to Africa were systematically extinguished during slavery. Basically forced to integrate into American society. Someone who's 4th or 5th generation isn't going to have as strong as connection as someone who's a 2nd generation.


i was asking you guys the questions and giving my rationale in what and how i think of it. i think some of you are only reading the first paragraph. I've already said what some are saying how most american blacks are rooted in their american subculture, or offered it as a possiblity.


My question is do most black people in America have any bias towards Africa and what goes on there? Maybe my expectations for people to care about where they're from are unfair since i don't really care about what goes on in China. I don't care what goes on in Japan as much although i am asian. So without the ability to be distinct in where you're specifically from is it the same thing as me caring for what goes on in Korea if i'm korean? Do you feel you share a extra personal attachment to people in/from Africa, or maybe even specific parts? or do you generally feel indifferent because you are so ingrained to being African American?

[Godzuki]

Most 'African Americans' are many generations removed from their African ancestry, in many cases even more so than their 'European American' counterparts. I mean, do Italian Americans whose grandparents emigrated here in the 1920s pay attention to what's going on in Sicily today? Some Black people's ancestors were brought to the colonies in the 1600s. They have no connection to Africa whatsoever beyond maybe genetics that were most likely compromised (for lack of a better term) by interracial breeding.


that was what i offered up, being more rooted in "african american subculture"

[Godzuki]

What?

African Americans are ... Americans. How can you be too American?


i guess you only read the title

[Godzuki]

I had a feeling we'd get involved in this


http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/06/world/africa/nigeria-abducted-girls/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


NEW: President Obama tells NBC News the U.S. will provide military support
NEW: A ''coordination cell'' is being established at the U.S. Embassy in Abuja, Kerry says
Nigeria's President is not "taking this as easy as people all over the world think"
Nigerian village residents say armed men took eight more girls late Sunday

[mehyaM24]

Did you ever consider that one group of people wanted to come to America while the other were forced over here? Their histories and connections to Africa were systematically extinguished during slavery. Basically forced to integrate into American society. Someone who's 4th or 5th generation isn't going to have as strong as connection as someone who's a 2nd generation.

not to diminish this, because it IS true, caucasoids way back when, around the time they were wanderers and slaved, also adopted the culture of their masters.

in the end,every race of people was robbed/striped of their culture.

whats great now,though,is there are DNA tests. i remember snoop took one back when the george lopez show was still on air,guy found out he was like 20% native american,cherokee i think but im not 100% sure.

[mehyaM24]

Most 'African Americans' are many generations removed from their African ancestry, in many cases even more so than their 'European American' counterparts. I mean, do Italian Americans whose grandparents emigrated here in the 1920s pay attention to what's going on in Sicily today? Some Black people's ancestors were brought to the colonies in the 1600s. They have no connection to Africa whatsoever beyond maybe genetics that were most likely compromised (for lack of a better term) by interracial breeding.

this is correct

[MavsSuperFan]

i think black Americans have significant influence in this country, much more than you are portraying. I get that people generally think the rich Jews control everything from the top but i think thats a conspiracy theorists notion more than reality. I'm not saying they don't have influence but i do not think they are specifically in control of the country entirely through money.

I think black Americans have significant control in terms of anything race related. The guilt trip or shun factor of being prejudice against blacks in America is extremely damning. No other race has that type of pariah factor, or the politically correct extremism towards their race. Its why black community leaders like Rev Al or Jesse Jackson have so much leverage with black community support when race related incidents occur.

its not so much the Oprah's, Obama, or any one powerful black person that has so much influence but its the politically correct mentality of mainstream America that is very bias towards african americans these days where there are double standards that everyone knows exists but tend to be justified accepted.

much of white America are very politically correct, so while there may be a much lower black population in relation, or large segment of white people in the US that are racist, the mainstream of the country supports black people to a fault arguably. What i mean by that is they accept and are okay with racial double standards that exist.

What i'm saying is black people in America are socially powerful i guess. Imo enough to get us to really start doing things in Africa starting with this Boko Haram. We have slowly been getting involved over there where as a decade ago we didn't care at all, but i feel like more and more the guilt trips of us not caring and if black Americans pushed it, more so the famous ones, then they could very easily influence us to get involved much more. I think when Oprah, Obama, or whomever pushes for that cause publicly and puts their money behind it and the black community follows, that movement has more sway than pushing for anything any race could in this country because it influences mainstream America much more than most of you guys want to admit i think.


i think black Americans have significant influence in this country, much more than you are portraying. I get that people generally think the rich Jews control everything from the top but i think thats a conspiracy theorists notion more than reality. I'm not saying they don't have influence but i do not think they are specifically in control of the country entirely through money.


People that think jews control the world are at best idiots and more likely hateful bigots. In absolute terms most of the people that control this nation are rich, non-hispanic white, christian men. The generals/admirals of the military, the political donors, the CEOs of big corporations, the bankers, the bureaucrats, the high level policy makers, the high level diplomats, etc.

Black people may be visible but a lot of evidence seems to indicate that you are overstating their political clout. For how visible people like sharpton, jackson, smiley, west, etc are they dont have that many policy victories.

Although jewish people do have a disproportionate influence (relative to population size) over America, that is largely a credit to how successful and focused on education the jewish community has been. I believe Jewish people are about 1.2-1.4% of america's population and have 13 out of 100 senators and 8.4% of congress.

Still christians dominate america more so than any other religion. the vast majority of both the senate and the house are christians. Eg. in some states christians are trying to introduce the teaching of intelligent design.

Also although lots of people talk about AIPAC's influence in the favoritism american shows israel in the conflict with palestine, they fail to mention that at least 30 million fundamentalist christians live in america and vote for pro israel policies, because they believe that jews need to control the temple mount for the end of days to occur. They literally want to bring about the apocalypse of the book of revelations.


I get that people generally think the rich Jews control everything from the top but i think thats a conspiracy theorists notion more than reality. I'm not saying they don't have influence but i do not think they are specifically in control of the country entirely through money.

The perception that jews control everything is stupid, and largely a bigoted response. However Rich people do control everything in america. Well at least almost everything. I quoted a study below.


Specifically, Gilens and Page compiled a data set on nearly 2,000 proposed policy changes over two decades that fit several important criteria: The issue was binary, meaning that public opinion could be described as either “approve” or “disapprove”; there was national public opinion data on the issue; and the public opinion data also included information on respondents’ incomes, so that the authors could deduce not only how Americans felt about a particular issue, but how those opinions varied across income groups. (For the conclusions that follow, the authors assume that citizens at the 50th income percentile represent the views of the “average citizen” and that views at the 90th income percentile represent the views of the wealthy, or the “economic elite.”)
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/charles-wheelan/2014/04/22/study-shows-wealthy-americans-and-businesses-control-politics-and-policy

Basically the opinions of average americans could not act as a predictor of how our government/courts would rule, but the opinions/desires of the rich became law.

Most rich people in america are white christians.


I think black Americans have significant control in terms of anything race related. The guilt trip or shun factor of being prejudice against blacks in America is extremely damning. No other race has that type of pariah factor, or the politically correct extremism towards their race. Its why black community leaders like Rev Al or Jesse Jackson have so much leverage with black community support when race related incidents occur.

its not so much the Oprah's, Obama, or any one powerful black person that has so much influence but its the politically correct mentality of mainstream America that is very bias towards african americans these days where there are double standards that everyone knows exists but tend to be justified accepted.

that maybe enough to get people to stop watching a tv show or a radio show or force the nba to ban sterling, but it isnt enough to do anything substantive.

Eg. stop the war on drugs, private prisons, stop and frisk, redlining, racial profiling, stopping the genocide in rwanda, or sending troops to nigeria to fight Boko Haram.

Edit: honestly the only real unfair advantage black people enjoy in our laws imo, is:

Affirmative action

and

hate crime legislation (because the results of crimes should be important, not the intent behind them, if a person kills another person because that person slept with his wife, why is that better than killing someone because they are different from you?)

2nd edit: i guess now that i think about it a bit you could argue that black comedians get to make fun of white people, and that black racism towards whites is less frowned upon.

[mehyaM24]

You see, the American public is not trained to care about incidents like these. Just like people wouldnt watch a Spurs-Pacers final in record numbers. People like to see a goliath go down. They want the Heat, the Patriots, the Yankees, etc in the finals so they can root for them to fail.

are you a miniority? because im pretty sure you hate the lakers,who have been a powerhouse aka "goliath" for decades now.

the rest of your post is just pure shit. your idiocy gives me a headache.

[D-FENS]

People that think jews control the world are at best idiots and more likely hateful bigots. In absolute terms most of the people that control this nation are rich, non-hispanic white, christian men. The generals/admirals of the military, the political donors, the CEOs of big corporations, the bankers, the bureaucrats, the high level policy makers, the high level diplomats, etc.


Those people should read Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell. Understand Jewish folk and wealth a little better.

[MavsSuperFan]

I had a feeling we'd get involved in this


http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/06/world/africa/nigeria-abducted-girls/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


NEW: President Obama tells NBC News the U.S. will provide military support
NEW: A ''coordination cell'' is being established at the U.S. Embassy in Abuja, Kerry says
Nigeria's President is not "taking this as easy as people all over the world think"
Nigerian village residents say armed men took eight more girls late Sunday
At most we will send in a SEAL unit or a green beret unit.

I even doubt that, I think we will use drones and satellites to track boko haram and give their positions to the nigerian military. Maybe we launch some cruise missiles or test out our new rail guns.

[GimmeThat]

OP is stuck on the term African American.

Might be going through an Asian American Identity crisis while watching the Korean Ferry sunk.

Because if you're black, and you tell him you are American. He might say "NO! YOU ARE AFRICAN AMERICAN" Kim Jong-un style

[Lamar Doom]

You see, the American public is not trained to care about incidents like these. They want the Heat, the Patriots, the Yankees, etc in the finals so they can root for them to fail.

This is why white guys who are presumed to represent "white privelege" like Sterling, Fred Phelps, even George Zimmerman just for the sake of creating the dichotomy, are given such great attention when they do or say something offensive to the little guy, whether its actual ramifications are significant or not. Everyone wants to root against the goliath and its really more of a sport, a gathering at the colliseum, for the masses to join in together and "unite as one" to throw stones at the evil sinner representing the opposite of their own superior morals. Is it about making a real difference? No. Its about delighting in the persecution of someone they believe "deserves it".

These kidnappers are also probably black, and muslim, both of which would make them minorities in the US. Theyre also probably poor relative to American standards, also shielding them from the appearance of a goliath.

Imagine if these were european neonazis kidnapping those african girls. The international news establishment would explode. It would be all over every program in America. It would be trayvon martin times a thousand. Because its black on black? Nobody really cares. Theres no goliath to condemn like there would be if the offending party was the racial equivalent of the cowboys, yankees, red wings and so on.



And so thats the reality. People dont tune in to watch the Grizzlies play the Blazers because people dont care about good basketball. They care about reputations at stake, heroes and villains, falls from grace, retribution, etc. They want to see a big arrogant goliath get knocked down, whether its Lebron, Bellichik, Sterling, white supremacists or whatever. And the reality is nobody apparently cares about dying kids in Africa, unless the story has a "juicy" element such as race. THEN all the liberals are pushing and shoving to be the one who is outraged about it the loudest and how we need more tolerance and understanding and corny slogans about how "we are one" :oldlol:


Bro you should just type up your manifesto about the double standard that black americans get away with and how liberals all just believe what they believe because they're weak minded softies trying to impress the underdog. Then you can copy + paste it moving forward. It's got to be exhausting to keep coming up with new ways to say the same thing. Yo, is George Zimmerman white? I wasn't outraged but now I might be.

[MavsSuperFan]

What i'm saying is black people in America are socially powerful i guess. Imo enough to get us to really start doing things in Africa starting with this Boko Haram. We have slowly been getting involved over there where as a decade ago we didn't care at all, but i feel like more and more the guilt trips of us not caring and if black Americans pushed it, more so the famous ones, then they could very easily influence us to get involved much more. I think when Oprah, Obama, or whomever pushes for that cause publicly and puts their money behind it and the black community follows, that movement has more sway than pushing for anything any race could in this country because it influences mainstream America much more than most of you guys want to admit i think.

Justin Bieber is "socially powerful", One direction is "socially powerful", ellen is "socially powerful"

Thats great if they want to get us to start recycling, or a new fashion trend, or a new rap/pop song or something banal like that, but American policy makers aren't going to go up to "socially powerful" people and ask them for advice/guidance on which conflicts to engage in and american generals aren't going to ask them for input on how to conduct operations.

The fed isnt going to ask socially powerful people for advice on fiscal issues. there opinions arent going to affect the way congress votes or on how courts rule

For stuff that is important, the opinions of rich people are what matter. the study i quoted earlier by Martin Gilens of Princeton University and Benjamin Page of Northwestern University

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZDnoiYiYNY
they talk about their study on the daily show

Edit: most of america's recent involvement in africa is selfish.

We want to prevent chinese domination of africa. We see china cultivating relationships and trade deals and access to mineral resources of africa and it concerns us as we fear losing global primacy to the chinese.

Also we want to stop somali pirates from affecting international trade, and muslim extremists.

[Godzuki]

OP is stuck on the term African American.

Might be going through an Asian American Identity crisis while watching the Korean Ferry sunk.

Because if you're black, and you tell him you are American. He might say "NO! YOU ARE AFRICAN AMERICAN" Kim Jong-un style


almost forgot about that.

i thought it was funny you guys all of a sudden pretend like there is no 'african american' term anymore in this thread :lol

[AirTupac]

Obligatory OP OD'd on weed post :yaohappy:

[GimmeThat]

almost forgot about that.

i thought it was funny you guys all of a sudden pretend like there is no 'african american' term anymore in this thread :lol

Of course there is, just as there are terms such as white trash, gook, ch*nk.

Are you upset that Gook isn't a big enough subculture in America?

Just being honest and keeping Racism real homie!

[Lakers Legend#32]

Who would be a better authority on this subject than Mighty Whitey?

[Godzuki]

Of course there is, just as there are terms such as white trash, gook, ch*nk.

Are you upset that Gook isn't a big enough subculture in America?

Just being honest and keeping Racism real homie!


wawhat? so you call 'african american' a derogatory term now? :lol

[Godzuki]

Justin Bieber is "socially powerful", One direction is "socially powerful", ellen is "socially powerful"

Thats great if they want to get us to start recycling, or a new fashion trend, or a new rap/pop song or something banal like that, but American policy makers aren't going to go up to "socially powerful" people and ask them for advice/guidance on which conflicts to engage in and american generals aren't going to ask them for input on how to conduct operations.

The fed isnt going to ask socially powerful people for advice on fiscal issues. there opinions arent going to affect the way congress votes or on how courts rule

For stuff that is important, the opinions of rich people are what matter. the study i quoted earlier by Martin Gilens of Princeton University and Benjamin Page of Northwestern University

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZDnoiYiYNY
they talk about their study on the daily show

Edit: most of america's recent involvement in africa is selfish.

We want to prevent chinese domination of africa. We see china cultivating relationships and trade deals and access to mineral resources of africa and it concerns us as we fear losing global primacy to the chinese.

Also we want to stop somali pirates from affecting international trade, and muslim extremists.


All of the Arab uprisings are based on social media. the power of mainstream America behind something is a huge factor to the decision the country makes.

i can't believe you really think America is helping for personal gain lol....they're helping because its a fukked up situation. cmon man thats ridiculous.

[Godzuki]

At most we will send in a SEAL unit or a green beret unit.

I even doubt that, I think we will use drones and satellites to track boko haram and give their positions to the nigerian military. Maybe we launch some cruise missiles or test out our new rail guns.


they have hostages and i think in the jungles so going to be hard and these girls are probably scattered, doubt all of them are in one place.

[MavsSuperFan]

All of the Arab uprisings are based on social media. the power of mainstream America behind something is a huge factor to the decision the country makes.

i can't believe you really think America is helping for personal gain lol....they're helping because its a fukked up situation. cmon man thats ridiculous.
:biggums: I cant believe you think we want to help for altruistic reasons. Read up on our history bro.

We are probably the most altruistic empire/superpower (compared to other historical empires), but we are definitely not altruistic in absolute terms.