weaker eastern conference: 90's vs 2012-up

[mehyaM24]

we all know the west had the superior conferences in the 90s (blazers,lakers,jazz,spurs,suns,rockets,sonics, etc)....but how about todays? nets are garbage,so were the craptors and bulls. pacers look like shit.

only redeemable teams are heat and maybe the wizards(they'll be beat in 5 max).

so....weaker conferecne? who ju got brahs?

[Young X]

All your threads are stupid.

Weak 90's east? 60 win Knicks, 57 win Cavs, 58 win Pacers, 60 win Magic, 60 win Heat... That's weak? :oldlol:

[MellowYellow]

The 90's East was extremely weak outside of Chicago ,New York, and Indy. Pretty top heavy at times but the bad teams were 20 times worse than today's bad teams

[mehyaM24]

All your threads are stupid.

Weak 90's east? 60 win Knicks, 57 win Cavs, 58 win Pacers, 60 win Magic, 60 win Heat... That's weak? :oldlol:

wtf? i thought this was common knowledge...

knicks had zero offense. pacers best player was reggie miller,who was overrated and not even on mitch richmonds level. magic were injured in 96 and the heat? they werent as good as any of the teams i mentioned in the west.


The 90's East was extremely weak outside of Chicago ,New York, and Indy. Pretty top heavy at times but the bad teams were 20 times worse than today's bad teams

agreed

[deja vu]

90s East teams were great. Bulls, Knicks, Pacers, Heat were contenders back then.

Maybe you meant the 00s East when the Nets made it to back to back Finals?

[fpliii]

80s West was pretty bad too.

I wonder what a good measure is? :confusedshrug: Maybe inter-conference record season-by-season?

[tmacattack33]

The 90's East was extremely weak outside of Chicago ,New York, and Indy. Pretty top heavy at times but the bad teams were 20 times worse than today's bad teams

1995 Orlando and 1996 Orlando were great as well.

And Miami was consistent throughout the mid 90's as well.

[mehyaM24]

80s West was pretty bad too.

I wonder what a good measure is? :confusedshrug: Maybe inter-conference record season-by-season?

yeah,so were the 60s,but thats not the title of my thread. this is about the eastern conferences of the modern era.

just ****ing awful brahs....i wouldnt mind have the top 16 teams make it,barred conferences and all

[deja vu]

The 90's East was extremely weak outside of Chicago ,New York, and Indy. Pretty top heavy at times but the bad teams were 20 times worse than today's bad teams
20x worse than the 76ers? :oldlol:

Youre on crack. Today's East is the weakest in NBA history. Followed by the 00s.

[mehyaM24]

20x worse than the 76ers? :oldlol:

Youre on crack. Today's East is the weakest in NBA history. Followed by the 00s.

nah the 90s was weaker than the 00s. pistons,celtics,heat >>> every east team in that shitty 90s conference. the knicks are overrated too. had zero offense. they are like todays pacers but the lite version.

[deja vu]

nah the 90s was weaker than the 00s. pistons,celtics,heat >>> every east team in that shitty 90s conference. the knicks are overrated too. had zero offense. they are like todays pacers but the lite version.
Stop trolling dude. Ewing would have shat on those teams. Yeah zero offense. :roll: Pacers lite version. Hahaha!

[MellowYellow]

20x worse than the 76ers? :oldlol:

Youre on crack. Today's East is the weakest in NBA history. Followed by the 00s.

the sixers were actually kinda decent until they sold the farm. Hawes Turner MCW and Young is a solid lineup.

[mehyaM24]

Stop trolling dude. Ewing would have shat on those teams. Yeah zero offense. :roll: Pacers lite version. Hahaha!

look what yellowmellow posted. ewing and who? ewing wasnt anywhere near the behemoth hakeem was. starks? guy was bagging groceries before playing in the league LMAO

****ing sickening. start contracting conferences NBA....ASAP!!!

[MMM]

the 90's east was very good

people haven't even mentioned teams like
90's Magic
90's Bobcats :lol
late 90's Hawks
even the Pistons had some decent teams

[MMM]

the East from 04-10 is pretty underrated imo as well

Pistons, Heat, Celtics, Cavs and Magic were all 3-5 top teams in this era. Sometimes the East had 2 or 3 of the top 3-5 elite teams in a given season.

[sportjames23]

All your threads are stupid.

Weak 90's east? 60 win Knicks, 57 win Cavs, 58 win Pacers, 60 win Magic, 60 win Heat... That's weak? :oldlol:

OP is a terrible fakkity troll. Hell, the 90s was the last time the East was strong.

[mehyaM24]

OP is a terrible fakkity troll. Hell, the 90s was the last time the East was strong.

you're an idiot. everybody knows the east was weak in the 90s.

[deja vu]

look what yellowmellow posted. ewing and who? ewing wasnt anywhere near the behemoth hakeem was. starks? guy was bagging groceries before playing in the league LMAO

****ing sickening. start contracting conferences NBA....ASAP!!!
I agree that Hakeem was better than Ewing but do you think Ewing wouldn't have shat on the league? C'mon man. Dwight and Noah are the best centers today and they're nowhere near prime Ewing. 90s Knicks were one of the best defensive teams of all time too.

I believe only the Heat are good enough to hang with the best 90s East teams. Maybe the Pacers too if they get their acts together. The rest are just plain trash and are tiers below the 90s Bulls, Knicks, Pacers, Heat, Magic and Hornets.

[deja vu]

you're an idiot. everybody knows the east was weak in the 90s.
Step up your trolling. You're not convincing anybody.

[Roundball_Rock]

The 90's East was good. The one oddity was no team was on the Bulls level over the course of the decade (the only team with two MVP candidates, 3 HOF'ers during the second threepeat and the GOAT coach. Remember, MJ retired and the Bulls still were an elite team in 94') but there were some other very good teams. The Knicks, Pacers contended for the practically the entire decade. They made numerous deep runs. The Knicks took the Bulls to 7 in 92', led them 2-0 in the 93' ECF and eliminated the (Jordan-less--with a D-League scrub replacing MJ) Bulls in 7 in the ECSF in 94'. The Knicks took Hakeem's Rockets to 7 in the 94' Finals and returned to the Finals in 99' and were in the ECF in 2000. The Pacers made the ECF in 94', 95', 98' (incidentally losing in 7 games in each series), 99' and 2000 (when they finally reached the Finals).

In addition to the above perennial contenders, the Cavs were good for a period with a prime Daughtery, Price and Nance. The Magic were contenders in 1995 (eliminating the Jordan-Pippen Bulls in a close ECSF) and 1996 before Shaq left. The Heat with Zo' and Hardaway were also strong contenders in the late 90's.

[bootsy]

we all know the west had the superior conferences in the 90s (blazers,lakers,jazz,spurs,suns,rockets,sonics, etc)....but how about todays? nets are garbage,so were the craptors and bulls. pacers look like shit.

only redeemable teams are heat and maybe the wizards(they'll be beat in 5 max).

so....weaker conferecne? who ju got brahs?
No WE don't, only YOU do which is what you should have posted.

[DonDadda59]

Excluding the Heat and Bulls, 50 win teams & their notable players...

50 Win Teams 90-93 in the East

89-90
Pistons (59-23 *Champions*)/Rodman, Thomas, Dumars
76ers (53-29)/Barkley
Celtics(52-30)/Bird, Parish, McHale

90-91
Celtics (56-26)/Bird, McHale, Parish, Lewis
Pistons (50-32)/Rodman, Thomas, Dumars

91-92
Cavs (57-25)/Daugherty, Price
Knicks (51-31)/Ewing, Jackson
Celtics (51-31)/Bird, Lewis, Parish

92-93
Knicks (60-22)/Ewing, Starks
Cavs (54-28)/Daugherty, Price, Nance


50 Win Teams '95-'98 in the East

95-96
Magic (60-22)/Shaq, Penny
Pacers (52-30)/Miller

96-97
Heat (61-21)/Mourning, Hardaway
Knicks (57-25)/Ewing
Hawks (56-26)/Mutumbo, Smith, Laettner
Pistons (54-28)/Hill, Dumars
Hornets (54-28)/Rice, Mason, Divac

97-98
Pacers (58-24)/Miller
Heat (55-27)/Mourning, Hardaway, Mashburn
Hornets (51-31)/Rice, Mason
Hawks (50-32)/Mutumbo, Smith


50 Win Teams '10-'14 in the East

10-11
Bulls (62-20)/Rose, Boozer, Noah
Celtics (56-26)/Garnett, Pierce, Allen
Magic (52-30)/Howard

11-12 *Lockout Season*
Bulls, Pacers only team on track to get 50 (61+ winning %)

12-13
Knicks (54-28)/Anthony

13-14
Pacers (56-26)/George

[chazzy]

^Why leave out 94 and 95?

[DonDadda59]

^Why leave out 94 and 95?

Figured it would only be fair seeing as how we only have 4 years of this decade. So I just went with the Bulls/Heat runs for comparison. Each is a 3-4 year block. 93-95 had 8 50 win teams in the East.

[sportjames23]

you're an idiot. everybody knows the east was weak in the 90s.


Dumbass. Go ahead believing that shit doe.

[D.J.]

1991

Chicago(61-21)
Boston(56-26)
Detroit(50-32)
Milwaukee(48-34)
Philadelphia(44-38)
Atlanta(43-39)
Indiana(41-41)
New York(39-43)



This one was weak. Pretty much a 4 team conference.


1992

Chicago(67-15)
Cleveland(57-25)
Boston(51-31)
New York(51-31)
Detroit(48-34)
New Jersey(40-42)
Indiana(40-42)
Miami(38-44)



Very solid 5 teams. 6-8 were shit.


1993

New York(60-22)
Chicago(57-25)
Cleveland(54-28)
Boston(48-34)
Charlotte(44-38)
New Jersey(43-39)
Atlanta(43-39)
Indiana(41-41)



Top 4 were solid. This year's conference became a little better overall. No sub-.500 teams in the playoffs.


1994

Atlanta(57-25)
New York(57-25)
Chicago(55-27)
Orlando(50-32)
Indiana(47-35)
Cleveland(47-35)
New Jersey(45-37)
Miami(42-40)



Very solid 6-7 teams. Deeper conference.


1995

Orlando(57-25)
New York(55-27)
Indiana(52-30)
Charlotte(50-32)
Chicago(47-35)
Cleveland(43-39)
Atlanta(42-40)
Boston(35-47)



Outside of Boston, not a bad conference. 4 50+ win teams and another at 47.


1996

Chicago(72-10)
Orlando(60-22)
Indiana(52-30)
Cleveland(47-35)
New York(47-35)
Atlanta(46-36)
Detroit(46-36)
Miami(42-40)



Pretty deep conference considering there was a 72 and a 60 win team.


1997

Chicago(69-13)
Miami(61-21)
New York(57-25)
Atlanta(56-26)
Detroit(54-28)
Charlotte(54-28)
Orlando(45-37)
Washington(44-38)



Easily the deepest Eastern Conference of the 90s.


1998

Chicago(62-20)
Indiana(58-24)
Miami(55-27)
Charlotte(51-31)
Atlanta(50-32)
Cleveland(47-35)
New York(43-39)
New Jersey(43-39)



Fairly deep conference again.


The early 90s were crap, but the conference improved and became deeper. 1993 showed signs of a slightly deeper conference and by 1994, it was no longer a crap conference.

[Leroy Jetson]

All I know is that Jordan's Bulls were far stronger than this Heat team and they never has a cakewalk in the playoffs.

[SamuraiSWISH]

:kobe:

The 90's East was a BEAST of a conference.

[Legends66NBA7]

The 10's East already have some of the lowest winning %'s teams of all-time.

2010 New Jersey Nets (12-70; .146 - 5th team to lose 70 games in a season)
2011 Cleveland Cavaliers (19-63; .232 - Lost an NBA record 26 in a row)

^Not that they count to the topic, but they already set low's in the NBA. Now for teams that do:

2012 Charlotte Bobcats (7-59; .106 - Lowest NBA win% of all-time)
2014 Philadelphia 76ers (19-63; .232 tied the loss record of 26 in a row)
2014 Milwaukee Bucks (15-67; .183 3rd team in NBA history to fail to win consecutive games all season)


The teams in the 90's east that had sub 20 wins were in their early years of expansion, with the exception of 1997 Celtics.

[Sarcastic]

we all know the west had the superior conferences in the 90s (blazers,lakers,jazz,spurs,suns,rockets,sonics, etc)....but how about todays? nets are garbage,so were the craptors and bulls. pacers look like shit.

only redeemable teams are heat and maybe the wizards(they'll be beat in 5 max).

so....weaker conferecne? who ju got brahs?


Blazers - were done by 1992. Their period was late 80's till 92-93.
Lakers - 1990s was worst era for Lakers until they got Shaq in late 90s.
Jazz - took forever to peak. Finally made it to the finals by 97.
Suns - had about a 3 year run when Barkley finally got traded in 92.
Spurs - were not a contender at all until they got Duncan in 98.
Rockets - won 2 rings. Best Western team of the 1990s.
Sonics - choke artists. First 1 seed to lose to an 8 seed.


The rest of the teams in the West were bottom bottom of the barrel in the 1990s. Sacramento, Dallas, Denver - these teams were jokes back then. Golden State was only good for flash with Run TMC. Clippers were the lolClippers.

[Legends66NBA7]

Spurs weren't a contender during David Robinson's peak years ?

[Sarcastic]

Spurs weren't a contender during David Robinson's peak years ?

No they weren't. They were a good regular season team, but were never tough enough to win in the playoffs. They had Dennis Rodman at his dysfunctional worst, and Robinson's toughness was always coming into question.


That team wasn't coached by Popavich, you know? They had no history of winning. Why would anyone consider them to be a real contender?

[jstern]

Whenever I think about the East I think about how strong they were in the 90s.

[mehyaM24]

No they weren't. They were a good regular season team, but were never tough enough to win in the playoffs. They had Dennis Rodman at his dysfunctional worst, and Robinson's toughness was always coming into question.


That team wasn't coached by Popavich, you know? They had no history of winning. Why would anyone consider them to be a real contender?

david robinson won an mvp and led the spurs to the best record in the west. idiot.

[mehyaM24]

Excluding the Heat and Bulls, 50 win teams & their notable players...

50 Win Teams 90-93 in the East

89-90
Pistons (59-23 *Champions*)/Rodman, Thomas, Dumars
76ers (53-29)/Barkley
Celtics(52-30)/Bird, Parish, McHale

90-91
Celtics (56-26)/Bird, McHale, Parish, Lewis(bird had back problems,didnt play anywhere near his normal self in the playoffs)
Pistons (50-32)/Rodman, Thomas, Dumars(old,depleted,got swept. weak)

91-92
Cavs (57-25)/Daugherty, Price
Knicks (51-31)/Ewing, Jackson(no offense,weak)
Celtics (51-31)/Bird, Lewis, Parish (bird playing on his last legs,old and depleted like the pistons)

92-93
Knicks (60-22)/Ewing, Starks(no offense,weak)
Cavs (54-28)/Daugherty, Price, Nance


50 Win Teams '95-'98 in the East

95-96
Magic (60-22)/Shaq, Penny(injured horace grant, were swept in the playoffs)
Pacers (52-30)/Miller(when miller is your best player, you're a weak team)

96-97
Heat (61-21)/Mourning, Hardaway(shitty offense,weak)
Knicks (57-25)/Ewing (shitty offense,weak)
Hawks (56-26)/Mutumbo, Smith, Laettner
Pistons (54-28)/Hill, Dumars (no defense,weak)
Hornets (54-28)/Rice, Mason, Divac (not enough scoring prowess, weak)

97-98
Pacers (58-24)/Miller (weak,look above)
Heat (55-27)/Mourning, Hardaway, Mashburn
Hornets (51-31)/Rice, Mason (same as above,weak)
Hawks (50-32)/Mutumbo, Smith


50 Win Teams '10-'14 in the East

10-11
Bulls (62-20)/Rose, Boozer, Noah
Celtics (56-26)/Garnett, Pierce, Allen
Magic (52-30)/Howard

11-12 *Lockout Season*
Bulls, Pacers only team on track to get 50 (61+ winning %)

12-13
Knicks (54-28)/Anthony

13-14
Pacers (56-26)/George

FTFY

[Hizack]

All-time season-by-season regular season East vs West record


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[Hizack]

During the 10 seasons in the 90's (from 90-91 to 99-00), the East and the West have had 5 winning season each,
while during the 10 seasons in the 00's (from 00-01 to 09-10), the East has managed to have only one winning season, i.e. 08-09, and it is also the last season the East is winning.

In this sense, it is falsifying to say that the East was a weak conference in the 90's.

[DonDadda59]

[QUOTE=Hizack]All-time season-by-season regular season East vs West record


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[Calabis]

we all know the west had the superior conferences in the 90s (blazers,lakers,jazz,spurs,suns,rockets,sonics, etc)....but how about todays? nets are garbage,so were the craptors and bulls. pacers look like shit.

only redeemable teams are heat and maybe the wizards(they'll be beat in 5 max).

so....weaker conferecne? who ju got brahs?

Retard alert

[Calabis]

[QUOTE=Hizack]All-time season-by-season regular season East vs West record


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[sportjames23]

During the 10 seasons in the 90's (from 90-91 to 99-00), the East and the West have had 5 winning season each,
while during the 10 seasons in the 00's (from 00-01 to 09-10), the East has managed to have only one winning season, i.e. 08-09, and it is also the last season the East is winning.

In this sense, it is falsifying to say that the East was a weak conference in the 90's.


/thread


I propose that OP should be banned for life like his name was Donald Sterling for this sad effort at trolling and fakkitry.

[mehyaM24]

During the 10 seasons in the 90's (from 90-91 to 99-00), the East and the West have had 5 winning season each,
while during the 10 seasons in the 00's (from 00-01 to 09-10), the East has managed to have only one winning season, i.e. 08-09, and it is also the last season the East is winning.

In this sense, it is falsifying to say that the East was a weak conference in the 90's.

what does any of that prove? if you havent noticed, ive been talking about teams in the PLAYOFFS. just look at the first page of this thread.....

1-8, the west has been historically greater since the bulls era. the bulls were also playing ****ing shit teams in comparison.

[mehyaM24]

Why not cover the fact that Rose has played only a handful of games, the Celtics were old as dirt (and now one of them is on the Heat), the Knicks imploded, the Pacers collapsed, Dwight is in the West. What do you have left after that?

if you feel that todays east is weaker, more power to you. i wont argue brah :confusedshrug:

[Roundball_Rock]

All I know is that Jordan's Bulls were far stronger than this Heat team and they never has a cakewalk in the playoffs.

1991, 1996 were pretty easy for them. In 1992 and 1993 the Knicks gave the Bulls a tough run in the East. in 1998 the Pacers did as well. In 1992, 1993, 1997, 1998 the Finals were competitive. Were it not for Scottie Pippen leading a 4th quarter comeback with 4 bench players in 1992, Paxson's three in 93', Malone choking at the FT line in 97' and Jordan shot over Russell in 98' all those series would have went to 7 games. Granted, none of them did but the point is those series were closer than people think they were.


Blazers - were done by 1992. Their period was late 80's till 92-93.
Lakers - 1990s was worst era for Lakers until they got Shaq in late 90s.
Jazz - took forever to peak. Finally made it to the finals by 97.
Suns - had about a 3 year run when Barkley finally got traded in 92.
Spurs - were not a contender at all until they got Duncan in 98.
Rockets - won 2 rings. Best Western team of the 1990s.
Sonics - choke artists. First 1 seed to lose to an 8 seed.

I largely agree with this. The one point I would quibble with is the Jazz. The Jazz were a perennial 50+ win team which made at least the WCF 5 times during a 7 year span.



david robinson won an mvp and led the spurs to the best record in the west. idiot.

The Spurs did nothing in the playoffs, outside a run to the WCF in 95', until Duncan arrived.

[Trentknicks]

The early-mid 90s Knicks described as weak HOLY SHIT
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[plowking]

I'm failing to see what is weak about this years East.

People keep harping on about it, but Washington and Brooklyn were injured all season, and struggled to get any chemistry. People keep saying Memphis is better than a 50 win team and are actually a 56 or there abouts win team. Why not the same for these two?
Both are clearly 50 win teams when healthy.

Also, Toronto has been a 55 win team since Rudy Gay was traded. So basically, outside of Atlanta, you have an extremely competitive conference.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'm failing to see what is weak about this years East.

People keep harping on about it, but Washington and Brooklyn were injured all season, and struggled to get any chemistry. People keep saying Memphis is better than a 50 win team and are actually a 56 or there abouts win team. Why not the same for these two?
Both are clearly 50 win teams when healthy.

Also, Toronto has been a 55 win team since Rudy Gay was traded. So basically, outside of Atlanta, you have an extremely competitive conference.

Memphis should be an east team, imo

Would even it out a bit too..

[fpliii]

Memphis should be an east team, imo

Would even it out a bit too..
Makes sense in terms of location and playstyle too (they play hard-nosed D, physical ball in general, like a lot of East teams).

[Soundwave]

I'm assuming you're simply going to ignore the early 90s and the Bad Boy Pistons, but the Bulls, Knicks, Magic, Pacers were solid in the 90s and the Hawks (Mutombo, Steve Smith), Hornets, and Heat also fielded some decent squads in the 90s.

Was always surprised though that the Bullets with Chris Webber, Juwan Howard, Rasheed Wallace, etc. never were really that great in the 90s.

[Hizack]

what does any of that prove? if you havent noticed, ive been talking about teams in the PLAYOFFS. just look at the first page of this thread.....

1-8, the west has been historically greater since the bulls era. the bulls were also playing ****ing shit teams in comparison.
So just comparing the top 8 teams in the East and in the West? Here you are:

From 90-91 to 99-00, the top 8 teams in the East posted a 609-696 record against the top 8 teams in the West in the regular season,
a 46.7% winning percentage.

For the 12-13 and 13-14 seasons, the top 8 teams in the East posted a 102-154 record against the top 8 teams in the West in the regular season,
a 39.8% winning percentage.

In this regard, the Eastern Conference in the 90's was still less weak than the one post-2012.





(Maybe I should post my spreadsheet result for this because I am too lazy to put text version here. And I am too lazy to work on anything before 2000's and that's why something can be seen missing in the pic.)

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