GOAT All-Around Players

[Demitri98]

Guys who do absolutely anything and everything on a basketball court..
All Time:
Bird
Pippen
Grant Hill
LeBron
Oscar

Current:
LeBron
Batum
Parsons
Ariza
Iggy
Wade
Kobe

Who else? :confusedshrug:

not including MJ because he's the measuring stick for everyone.

[AnaheimLakers24]

wilt

kobe an mj are also all round players.

[Relinquish]

Ariza :confusedshrug:

[Demitri98]

Ariza :confusedshrug:
Interesting choice.

Batum as well maybe?

[Dro]

Ummm...the GOAT?

[Marchesk]

Magic
Oscar

[Fudge]

Lol @ not mentioning MJ.

[Demitri98]

Magic
Oscar
f*** me I missed the most obvious one...

[Fudge]

Jason Kidd

[ImKobe]

Nick Young

[Demitri98]

Jason Kidd
Never was a good shooter until he his Dallas days...I'm not really feeling it.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm not sure Bird qualifies as he wasn't an elite defender... Hill lacks the longevity/prime.

Pippen was never a dominant scorer.

There are only 2 options

[GODbe]

Kobe, Bird, Durant

[Demitri98]

I'm not sure Bird qualifies as he wasn't an elite defender... Hill lacks the longevity/prime.
Bird wasn't necessarily elite, but he was pesky and pretty annoying in the passing lanes. He wasn't a great man to man lockdown guy but in terms of team D and giving lots of effort he was pretty good.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Never was a good shooter until he his Dallas days...I'm not really feeling it.
wtf the dude would still get you 20 if you needed it. where you born in 1998

[Fudge]

Never was a good shooter until he his Dallas days...I'm not really feeling it.
Neither is Iggy. :confusedshrug:

[Demitri98]

wtf the dude would still get you 20 if you needed it. where you born in 1998
This isn't about production, it's about a totally complete all-around game.

And no, my screen name is something random I made up.

[VengefulAngel]

Kobe, Bird, Durant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3TFRgYVK0

Durant really?

[SCdac]

"all around game" is very vague. That could be Tim Duncan. That could be Dwayne Wade. Could be KG. Some criteria or definitions would help

[Budadiiii]

Kobe, Bird, Durant
This.

I consider mental toughness just as important as defense or passing.

LeBron can't be on the list when you factor in mental fortitude. Sorry.

[Fudge]

How is Ariza any more of an all around player than MJ or Kidd was?

[Cold soul]

Magic
Oscar
Lebron
MJ

[Demitri98]

"all around game" is very vague. That could be Tim Duncan. That could be Dwayne Wade. Could be KG. Some criteria or definitions would help
I did.

Guys who do absolutely anything and everything on a basketball court
Sorry, but Tim Duncan can't shoot 3's, D up on the perimeter or run the point.

Wade's a good point, I'll add him to the OP.

[VengefulAngel]

This.

I consider mental toughness just as important as defense or passing.

LeBron can't be on the list when you factor in mental fortitude. Sorry.

Do you understand what mental toughness is?

[Demitri98]

Do you understand what mental toughness is?
http://tinyurl.com/kerfeau

[sd3035]

Obviously Wilt, dude made his competition look horrendous

[sd3035]

This.

I consider mental toughness just as important as defense or passing.

LeBron can't be on the list when you factor in mental fortitude. Sorry.

or defense, or shooting

Probably the GOAT at making open layups while traveling though :bowdown:

[VengefulAngel]

Surprised no one has mentioned Hakeem...

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

KG, Hakeem, CP3, Ginobli, Stockton, Kidd, Walton, Pippen, MJ, Kobe (when he plays D), Duncan

[VengefulAngel]

KG, Hakeem, CP3, Ginobli, Stockton, Kidd, Walton, Pippen, MJ, Kobe (when he plays D), Duncan


^^ good list :)

[sd3035]

Durant
MJ
Pippen
Oscar
Magic
Bird
Wade
Bosh
Hakeem
Chalmers

[fpliii]

Depends. You need to be a good ball-handler, passer, shooter, scorer (as in the ability to create a shot for yourself), rebounder, and at the very least you need to be a net positive on defense.

Not sure how many players fit the bill. :confusedshrug:

[T_L_P]

Sorry, but Tim Duncan can't shoot 3's, D up on the perimeter or run the point.

Wade's a good point, I'll add him to the OP.

In his prime he could do them all but shoot the 3.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Nikkas mentioning Magic and Bird:roll: :roll: :roll:
For offense yeah but defense counts:no: :no:

Larry was underrated on D but not good enough to be in this discussion:no: and Magic:roll: lotta steals =/= defense or Iverson would be a good defender:facepalm

[Demitri98]

Depends. You need to be a good ball-handler, passer, shooter, scorer (as in the ability to create a shot for yourself), rebounder, and at the very least you need to be a net positive on defense.

Not sure how many players fit the bill. :confusedshrug:
Precisely. All around doesn't mean versatile, it means being able to do everything.

[ImKobe]

I did.

Sorry, but Tim Duncan can't shoot 3's, D up on the perimeter or run the point.

Wade's a good point, I'll add him to the OP.

Can Wade really shoot threes? he had maybe one average 3-point shooting season, where he shot above 30% from 3 and attempted more than 3 threes a game. He certainly isn't close to being a consistent 3-point shooter.

Kobe certainly fits your criteria if guys like Grant Hill are on that list. He can score in any way imaginable, defend anyone at the 1-3 position (talking 01-09 Kobe here), run the point, shoot 3s. He's on that list.

[kshutts1]

Aaron McKie, Odom, Bob Sura, Doug Christie are the ones that come to mind that have not yet been mentioned.

Edit: Wouldn't consider any of them "GOAT" material for this category, but they were all known as all-around players, and were very good at it.

[Demitri98]

Bob Sura
Never heard of him before.. :coleman:

[SexSymbol]

Bird
MJ
Kobe
LeBron
Wade's pretty good all around
Magic
Fat Lever
Jason Kidd
Hakeem Olajuwon
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Even Wilt is pretty good all-around.

[dubeta]

Anyone mentioning Durant and Kobe need to find the nearest building, climb to the top and jump. When Durant and Kobe aren't chucking shots they are useless

[inclinerator]

chris paul

[riseagainst]

Anyone mentioning Durant and Kobe need to find the nearest building, climb to the top and jump. When Durant and Kobe aren't chucking shots they are useless

:biggums:

[Dro]

Never heard of him before.. :coleman:
:biggums: Not sure if you're serious....

[ImKobe]

Anyone mentioning Durant and Kobe need to find the nearest building, climb to the top and jump. When Durant and Kobe aren't chucking shots they are useless

March 2014 :facepalm

[thefatmiral]

david robinson, i wanted to add.

[riseagainst]

Durant
MJ
Pippen
Oscar
Magic
Bird
Wade
Bosh
Hakeem
Chalmers

great list.

:applause:

[kshutts1]

Also Paul Pierce... don't think he was mentioned yet. Havlicek, Barkley, Bulls Ron Harper (could definitely score), Kukoc, I feel like Alvin Williams was relevant (as an all-around player) for a season or three..., Vlade...

Anyway, the list for "GOAT" all around players really begins and ends with Lebron. Pippen and MJ are up there, though, as are a few other select names. But because of someone mentioning legit 3p shooting as part of the criteria (even though I disagree) it's hard to include big men.

[kurple]

f*** me I missed the most obvious one...
how did you miss jordan?

all-around isnt another word for tripple-double

[kurple]

Fat Lever :cheers:

[CavaliersFTW]

Elgin Baylor

[MrC1991]

Gary Payton?