How come no one ever discredits MJs rings when he played in the East ?

[aboss4real24]

the Pistons and Celtics dynasties were over when the Bulls started to hit their prime. the bulls only "competition" were the Knicks, who were short on talent and had to resort to physical goonery and intimidation. in fact the 1 full season Jordan sat out due to killing his pops...err, playing baseball, the Knicks still struggled to beat the Bulls in 7 games> How come no one ever discredits Michael Jordan's rings when he played in the East his whole career?



meanwhile out West you had:
-the Malone and Stockton led Jazz who were annual championship contenders
-the Spurs teams with prime David Robinson, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott, etc
-Hakeem's Rockets
-Payton and Kemp's Sonics
-prime Barkley's Suns
-always competitive Lakers, even though they were going through a new influx of players
-always competitive Trail Blazers


But err1 wanna automatically put a * on any1 (mainly LB) Who comes out the east?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnFg8hiCUAAnCKa.png

[DaSeba5]

The East was pretty strong in the 90s. The Heat and Knicks could have won at least 1 title if it wasn't for MJ.

[riseagainst]

so whenever MJ beats a team he previously could not, that team is "out of its prime."

Whatever suits your agenda.

Yet when Lebron teams with 2 superstars in their primes, he deserves no criticisms.

[Demitri98]

Because the East had the Pistons in the early 90s and the Knicks and Heat later, as well as Shaq's Magic.

[NumberSix]

Two words.....


Jordan mythology

[aboss4real24]

so whenever MJ beats a team he previously could not, that team is "out of its prime."

Whatever suits your agenda.

Yet when Lebron teams with 2 superstars in their primes, he deserves no criticisms.

Dont care about LB Teaming up wit 2 stars

Im talking about the comp

and cmon man please dnt mk me have 2 defend Lebron becuz i dnt like him


But wade was only a superstar that 1 year wen LB 1st came there
And LB Choked that ring away , Wade has been washed up ever since

And bosh aint no dam superstar hes not even a top 3 or 5 PF

[wally_world]

In 20 years aint nobody gonna remember how weak the East was

[riseagainst]

Dont care about LB Teaming up wit 2 stars

Im talking about the comp

and cmon man please dnt mk me have 2 defend Lebron becuz i dnt like him


But wade was only a superstar that 1 year wen LB 1st came there
And LB Choked that ring away , Wade has been washed up ever since

And bosh aint no dam superstar hes not even a top 3 or 5 PF


nice. You said you don't care about LB teaming up, yet there you are already running to his defense.

[deja vu]

People put * on LeBron's titles because of that collusion thing.

I don't care about what conference he belongs. After all, the NBA champion is the champion of the entire NBA, not just the East (or West).

[T_L_P]

-'90s East was considerably stronger than the current East
-Jordan didn't go to a stronger team / collude / destroy his own conference
-Jordan had little trouble disposing of the Western teams in the Finals. LeBron lost to one, then got taken to seven games by another

[sportjames23]

the Pistons and Celtics dynasties were over when the Bulls started to hit their prime. the bulls only "competition" were the Knicks, who were short on talent and had to resort to physical goonery and intimidation. in fact the 1 full season Jordan sat out due to killing his pops...err, playing baseball, the Knicks still struggled to beat the Bulls in 7 games> How come no one ever discredits Michael Jordan's rings when he played in the East his whole career?



meanwhile out West you had:
-the Malone and Stockton led Jazz who were annual championship contenders
-the Spurs teams with prime David Robinson, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott, etc
-Hakeem's Rockets
-Payton and Kemp's Sonics
-prime Barkley's Suns
-always competitive Lakers, even though they were going through a new influx of players
-always competitive Trail Blazers


But err1 wanna automatically put a * on any1 (mainly LB) Who comes out the east?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnFg8hiCUAAnCKa.png


Oh, because the Bulls beat the Pistons in 1991, they were past their prime, huh? They were the two-time defending champs.

Boston was still good (had one of the top records in the East in 1991). The Knicks and Cavs were very good in the early 90s, as were the Hawks. The Bucks were a solid team still, and the Pacers and Heat came along from the mid-90s to the end of the decade.

The East of the 90s (as well as the NBA as a whole in the 90s) was far stronger than the pathetic piece of shit it is today. Ya'll haters just gonna have to accept that fact.

[ArbitraryWater]

Because the East had the Pistons in the early 90s and the Knicks and Heat later, as well as Shaq's Magic.

Pistons were 1991 only, Magic are 1995&1996... 1995 they were in fact beaten. 1996 they add Rodman, the Magic lose Grant, bam, Bulls win...

[mehyaM24]

has op not read any of my threads? ive BEEN saying this....

i dont know how anyone with a straight face can say the east was "good" in the 90s. the west has been historically better(well, since in the modern era i should say)

[robert_shaww]

Two words.....


Jordan mythology

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcR3hKgK8MlJDgm_otSBS8CZPnWzzXf gJnd6-zcObfA_NIPWLN

[mehyaM24]

Oh, because the Bulls beat the Pistons in 1991, they were past their prime, huh? They were the two-time defending champs.

umm ya? not only that,but isiah thomas had a debilitating injury and was nowhere near his 89,90 former self.

and the celtics? no they were not "still good". by the time the postseason rolled around,bird was shit. dude had major back problems.


The Knicks and Cavs were very good in the early 90s, as were the Hawks. The Bucks were a solid team still, and the Pacers and Heat came along from the mid-90s to the end of the decade.

the cavs were one of the more well rounded teams,but the knicks, as op stated, were one-dimensional goons. had zero offensive structure.


The East of the 90s (as well as the NBA as a whole in the 90s) was far stronger than the pathetic piece of shit it is today.

yeah maybe. but the point is, the east in GENERAL has been trash for decades now.

[DonDadda59]

Eastern Conference Winning % (Bulls Championship Years)

1990-1991: 48.9%
1991-1992: 49.9%
1992-1993: 50.8%
1995-1996: 50.3%
1996-1997: 52.6%
1997-1998: 52.7%

Eastern Conference Winning % (Post Decision)

2010-2011: 47.1%
2011-2012: 47.9%
2012-2013: 47%
2013-2014: 43.2%

Red= 2nd Lowest Eastern conference % ever.

The East this year also posted the lowest ever H2H winning percentage (37%) against the West.

Come On Son (http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/image_thumb3.png?w=590&h=377)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2017531-nbas-eastern-conference-might-not-be-worst-version-ever

http://nba.si.com/2013/12/05/historic-disparity-nba-conferences-eastern-western/

^If that's an indication of 'Jordan mythology' then Bron Bron's on some Paul Bunyan, Wilt Chamberlain type shit. :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

People put * on LeBron's titles because of that collusion thing.

I don't care about what conference he belongs. After all, the NBA champion is the champion of the entire NBA, not just the East (or West).

Well as multiple times proven, the collusion thing would only be a moral problem people have.... again, individuals cannot collude, go read a dictionary of the word's definition.

[robert_shaww]

http://bookriotcom.c.presscdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/CaryGrantYouMad.gif

[ArbitraryWater]

Oh, because the Bulls beat the Pistons in 1991, they were past their prime, huh? They were the two-time defending champs.

Boston was still good (had one of the top records in the East in 1991). The Knicks and Cavs were very good in the early 90s, as were the Hawks. The Bucks were a solid team still, and the Pacers and Heat came along from the mid-90s to the end of the decade.

The East of the 90s (as well as the NBA as a whole in the 90s) was far stronger than the pathetic piece of shit it is today. Ya'll haters just gonna have to accept that fact.


So whenever you don't post your rolling smileys, you fail horribly I see?

The 1991 Pistons were quite clearly past their prime, and so were the Celtics... Bird and the Team themself said, with that record, they wouldn't have done shit in the 80's... Your boy played in the weaker conference.

Both teams didnt matter during MJ's reign.

Now you want to have REGGIE MILLER'S Pacers, DAUGHERTY's Cavs, as Competition? :roll: :roll:

Good one. It was a poor conference. accept it.

[r15mohd]

Eastern Conference Winning % (Bulls Championship Years)

1990-1991: 48.9%
1991-1992: 49.9%
1992-1993: 50.8%
1995-1996: 50.3%
1996-1997: 52.6%
1997-1998: 52.7%

Eastern Conference Winning % (Post Decision)

2010-2011: 47.1%
2011-2012: 47.9%
2012-2013: 47%
2013-2014: 43.2%

Red= 2nd Lowest Eastern conference % ever.

The East this year also posted the lowest ever H2H winning percentage (37%) against the West.

Come On Son (http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/image_thumb3.png?w=590&h=377)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2017531-nbas-eastern-conference-might-not-be-worst-version-ever

http://nba.si.com/2013/12/05/historic-disparity-nba-conferences-eastern-western/

^If that's an indication of 'Jordan mythology' then Bron Bron's on some Paul Bunyan, Wilt Chamberlain type shit. :oldlol:


all these stats (not just yours, in general) yet the East's team is the defending champions 2 years running...the arguments have no merit if they (the West) cannot finish the deed to the end. it's pretty simple to grasp, really...all this "strength of the west" talk yet they fall short of the title...pretty embarrassing, no? :rolleyes:

[ArbitraryWater]

Eastern Conference Winning % (Bulls Championship Years)

1990-1991: 48.9%
1991-1992: 49.9%
1992-1993: 50.8%
1995-1996: 50.3%
1996-1997: 52.6%
1997-1998: 52.7%

Eastern Conference Winning % (Post Decision)

2010-2011: 47.1%
2011-2012: 47.9%
2012-2013: 47%
2013-2014: 43.2%

Red= 2nd Lowest Eastern conference % ever.

The East this year also posted the lowest ever H2H winning percentage (37%) against the West.

Come On Son (http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/image_thumb3.png?w=590&h=377)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2017531-nbas-eastern-conference-might-not-be-worst-version-ever

http://nba.si.com/2013/12/05/historic-disparity-nba-conferences-eastern-western/

^If that's an indication of 'Jordan mythology' then Bron Bron's on some Paul Bunyan, Wilt Chamberlain type shit. :oldlol:

I'm trying to figure out a difference between the 2?

How can it be the worst head to head against the West, but only the 2nd worst EC winning % ever?

[hitmanyr2k]

In 20 years aint nobody gonna remember how weak the East was

Don't bet on it. People still remember how weak the 80's West was nearly 30 years later.

[mehyaM24]

Eastern Conference Winning % (Bulls Championship Years)

1990-1991: 48.9%
1991-1992: 49.9%
1992-1993: 50.8%
1995-1996: 50.3%
1996-1997: 52.6%
1997-1998: 52.7%

Eastern Conference Winning % (Post Decision)

2010-2011: 47.1%
2011-2012: 47.9%
2012-2013: 47%
2013-2014: 43.2%

Red= 2nd Lowest Eastern conference % ever.

The East this year also posted the lowest ever H2H winning percentage (37%) against the West.

Come On Son (http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/image_thumb3.png?w=590&h=377)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2017531-nbas-eastern-conference-might-not-be-worst-version-ever

http://nba.si.com/2013/12/05/historic-disparity-nba-conferences-eastern-western/

^If that's an indication of 'Jordan mythology' then Bron Bron's on some Paul Bunyan, Wilt Chamberlain type shit. :oldlol:

now post the playoff win percentages :oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

So whenever you don't post your rolling smileys, you fail horribly I see?

The 1991 Pistons were quite clearly past their prime, and so were the Celtics... Bird and the Team themself said, with that record, they wouldn't have done shit in the 80's... Your boy played in the weaker conference.

Both teams didnt matter during MJ's reign.

Now you want to have REGGIE MILLER'S Pacers, DAUGHERTY's Cavs, as Competition? :roll: :roll:

Good one. It was a poor conference. accept it.
You speak as if you are old enough to have seen Reggie's Pacers.:rolleyes:

Ask any Indiana fan who was old enough and they'd tell you that Pacers team would have eviscerated the current dross that the Heat have found challenging thr past few years.

[davehos]

Two words.....


Jordan mythology

Yeah, 33/6/5 __average__ is just a myth.

Chris Paul has one game with those stats and the stans go ape shit.

[mehyaM24]

You speak as if you are old enough to have seen Reggie's Pacers.:rolleyes:

Ask any Indiana fan who was old enough and they'd tell you that Pacers team would have eviscerated the current dross that the Heat have found challenging thr past few years.

when reggie miller is your best player,that doesnt exactly speak volumes.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

90s East was way better than the 00s or 10s East WTF:roll: :roll: :roll:

[lefthook00]

Bc he beat all those West conf. teams in the finals 6 times in 6 games or less.

[Mr Feeny]

when reggie miller is your best player,that doesnt exactly speak volumes.

When Billups is ur best player, u shouldn't be destroying a team with 4 hall of famers.
Right back at you.

[davehos]

Early 90s ... Detroit .. Bad Boys

Mid 90s ... Knicks ... multiple 55+ win seasons.

Late 90s ... Pacers ... multiple 50+ win seasons.


OP too busy shitting his diapers in the 90s to know anything about basketball.

[mehyaM24]

When Billups is ur best player, u shouldn't be destroying a team with 4 hall of famers.
Right back at you.

when was billups ever anybodies best player?

i think you made a booboo :oldlol:

[Jailblazers7]

History doesn't care about the strength of your conference (or even the league). The are always good teams and good players in the league so a ring is a ring. You can only beat the people you play.

[Wade3]

Lets talk about Kobe's competition from 08 to 10, shall we?

08

Nuggets 50-32
Jazz 54-28
Spurs 56-26
Celtics 66-16

09

Jazz 48-34
Rockets 53-29
Nuggets 54-28
Magic 59-23

10

Thunder 50-32
Jazz 53-29
Suns 54-28
Celtics 50-32

So in that 3 year span, 11 out of the 12 teams Kobe faced won 50+ games. Result? 2 rings. The 08 Celtics were the only team he lost to, and they were stacked like pancakes and damn near won 70 games during the regular season. They probably would have beaten the Bulls 72 win mark if KG didn't miss 11 games.

Hard to think of a player who had to face better competition through a 3 year span.


Kobe was ridiculous at his best. Not a better sight in basketball than Kobe when he was hot.

[DonDadda59]

I'm trying to figure out a difference between the 2?

How can it be the worst head to head against the West, but only the 2nd worst EC winning % ever?

The winning percentage is the cumulative winning % of the conference as a whole. The Head to Head is East vs West. Link to the info (Only had through Dec. for this latest season, info for that can be found elsewhere):

http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2013/12/historical-western-conference-vs-eastern-conference-disparity/

The late 90s (including the Bulls Historic 72 win season) had some of the best Eastern conference winning %s and H2H records vs the West post merger. Post Decision East has the worst. These are facts.

But let's hear more about 'mythology' :oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

when was billups ever anybodies best player?

i think you made a booboo :oldlol:

I should have guessed. You weren't born yet in 2004.

[Mr Feeny]

Early 90s ... Detroit .. Bad Boys

Mid 90s ... Knicks ... multiple 55+ win seasons.

Late 90s ... Pacers ... multiple 50+ win seasons.


OP too busy shitting his diapers in the 90s to know anything about basketball.

Spot on.:roll:

[mehyaM24]

I should have guessed. You weren't born yet in 2004.

rasheed wallace and ben wallace >

having a good series doesnt make you a "better player"

try harder brah

[Heavincent]

Lets talk about Kobe's competition from 08 to 10, shall we?

08

Nuggets 50-32
Jazz 54-28
Spurs 56-26
Celtics 66-16

09

Jazz 48-34
Rockets 53-29
Nuggets 54-28
Magic 59-23

10

Thunder 50-32
Jazz 53-29
Suns 54-28
Celtics 50-32

So in that 3 year span, 11 out of the 12 teams Kobe faced won 50+ games. Result? 2 rings. The 08 Celtics were the only team he lost to, and they were stacked like pancakes and damn near won 70 games during the regular season. They probably would have beaten the Bulls 72 win mark if KG didn't miss 11 games.

Hard to think of a player who had to face better competition through a 3 year span. Unlike Bron, Kobe didn't get any bye rounds, such as the Bucks, Bobcats being led by a crippled Al Jefferson, or the JV Bulls squad :oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

rasheed wallace and ben wallace >

having a good series doesnt make you a "better player"

try harder brah

Seriously?
Really?
I don't even...

[mehyaM24]

Early 90s ... Detroit .. Bad Boys

weak,old,depleted,injured,unmotivated


Mid 90s ... Knicks ... multiple 55+ win seasons.

zero offensive structure.midget backcourt,lack of swingmen. weak


Late 90s ... Pacers ... multiple 50+ win seasons.

reggie miller was their best player. nuff said

[DFish24]

90's Pistons, Knicks, Pacers, Cavs, Magic, Heat. Jordan also didn't collude with and join two of the best players in his conference like LeCakeWalk

[mehyaM24]

Seriously?
Really?
I don't even...

stop talking basketball,dilbert. hoops just aint your thing

try the OTC or something

[Mr Feeny]

weak,old,depleted,injured,unmotivated



zero offensive structure.midget backcourt,lack of swingmen. weak



reggie miller was their best player. nuff said

2004 pistons. Billups was their best player. Enough said.

[Mr Feeny]

stop talking basketball,dilbert. hoops just aint your thing

try the OTC or something

I actually do work the OTC market:oldlol:
When you're old enough, you just might begin to understand the ins and outs of it.

[davehos]

weak,old,depleted,injured,unmotivated



zero offensive structure.midget backcourt,lack of swingmen. weak



reggie miller was their best player. nuff said
'

There is no reason with people who ignore the numbers. You don't win 55+ games in MULTIPLE seasons with scrubs.

[r15mohd]

Early 90s ... Detroit .. Bad Boys

Mid 90s ... Knicks ... multiple 55+ win seasons.

Late 90s ... Pacers ... multiple 50+ win seasons.


OP too busy shitting his diapers in the 90s to know anything about basketball.

early to mid 90s also had many East teams making the playoffs with sub-.500 records, 1994-95 Celtics at 35-47 :oldlol:

in some years the West were under, as well...1992-93 Lakers at 39-43, 1995-96 Kings at 39-43


shouldn't be so quick to ridicule before looking up info yourself :rolleyes:

[Da_Realist]

meanwhile out West you had:
-the Malone and Stockton led Jazz who were annual championship contenders

Beat them twice


-the Spurs teams with prime David Robinson, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott, etc
-Hakeem's Rockets

Never made it out the west in the SIX years the Bulls went to the Finals


-Payton and Kemp's Sonics

Beat them


-prime Barkley's Suns

Beat them


-always competitive Lakers, even though they were going through a new influx of players

Could not beat Utah...who could not beat Chicago


-always competitive Trail Blazers


Beat them

[mehyaM24]

2004 pistons. Billups was their best player. Enough said.

wrong again,bob. ben wallace and rip hamilton all had higher player efficiency ratings and win shares in 2004.

i done told u already...you aint bout that HOOP life kiddo

[Mr Feeny]

wrong again,bob. ben wallace and rip hamilton all had higher player efficiency ratings and win shares in 2004.

i done told u already...you aint bout that HOOP life kiddo

Mhmm.

[davehos]

early to mid 90s also had many East teams making the playoffs with sub-.500 records, 1994-95 Celtics at 35-47 :oldlol:

in some years the West were under, as well...1992-93 Lakers at 39-43, 1995-96 Kings at 39-43


shouldn't be so quick to ridicule before looking up info yourself :rolleyes:

Yeah, you suck at this so don't even try. You ignored the fact there were 4 50+ win teams in the east that year: Orlando, Knicks, Pacers, Hornets.

Bulls went in as the 5th seed in 94 ....


Tell me again how the East was weak? The 8th seed in the west was .500. There were fewer teams back then but still 16 playoff spots.

[mehyaM24]

Mhmm.

rip hamilton had a higher per in the playoffs. i take that back.

rip also had more points,rebounds and shot a better FG%

ben wallace had more rebounds,blocks and about the same win shares. pretty impressive when you realize the guys knack for scoring....was shit.

[Kiddlovesnets]

'cause back in Jordan's days the East did not suck.
:rolleyes:

[jlip]

I'm a Magic fan as he is probably my favorite player of all time, but I would admit that this thread should have been made about him and the Showtime Lakers. Even then, I will be the first to tell you that regular season record is not particularly an accurate indicator of the level of competition.

[r15mohd]

Yeah, you suck at this so don't even try. You ignored the fact there were 4 50+ win teams in the east that year: Orlando, Knicks, Pacers, Hornets.

Bulls went in as the 5th seed in 94 ....


Tell me again how the East was weak? The 8th seed in the west was .500. There were fewer teams back then but still 16 playoff spots.

i can nitpick too...

1991-92 also had four teams with 50+ wins from the East, and also 3 East teams with sub-.500 the very same year...let me guess, competition still VERY strong :rolleyes:

[davehos]

i can nitpick too...

1991-92 also had four teams with 50+ wins from the East, and also 3 East teams with sub-.500 the very same year...let me guess, competition still VERY strong :rolleyes:

What are you trying to argue? That the Bulls had it easy in the 90s?

[ArbitraryWater]

when reggie miller is your best player,that doesnt exactly speak volumes.

This.... the clown could only counter with the Pistons argument :lol

Ohh the exception to the rule, eh? And I'd beg to differ, Ben Wallace as top guy.

[ArbitraryWater]

The winning percentage is the cumulative winning % of the conference as a whole. The Head to Head is East vs West. Link to the info (Only had through Dec. for this latest season, info for that can be found elsewhere):

http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2013/12/historical-western-conference-vs-eastern-conference-disparity/

The late 90s (including the Bulls Historic 72 win season) had some of the best Eastern conference winning %s and H2H records vs the West post merger. Post Decision East has the worst. These are facts.

But let's hear more about 'mythology' :oldlol:

Not exactly what I meant... I just dont get the % thing.

When East plays East, one Eastern team will always be booked with the W.
So if the Record against the West is the worst ever, I dont see why for the East in total its only the 2nd worst. What am I missing?

[ArbitraryWater]

I actually do work the OTC market:oldlol:
When you're old enough, you just might begin to understand the ins and outs of it.


:lol :facepalm :hammerhead:

[mehyaM24]

This.... the clown could only counter with the Pistons argument :lol

Ohh the exception to the rule, eh? And I'd beg to differ, Ben Wallace as top guy.

i wouldnt even say thats the exception to the rule. like you, i thought ben wallace was a better player. winshares and PER show he was just as valuable even with being crap offensively.....

rip hamilton though was underrated(that year). higher PER and winshares i believe in the playoffs. was a marksman from mid range too!

i'd like dondota to post playoff teams, 1-8, win percentages. that is much more accurate imo

[J Shuttlesworth]

I don't get people who say the big 3 destroyed the eastern conference... I mean the East really wouldn't have a single contender if those 3 never joined up. The ECF would probably be LeBron cavs vs. Wade/Bosh Heat, but neither of those teams could win a championship. The east would be even weaker without the big 3.

[OldSchoolBBall]

The '92 and '93 Cavs alone are far better than any EC team Lebron has faced in the last 3 years. Please.

In fact, all these EC teams which MJ beat during his title runs were better than any EC opponent Lebron has or will face during his title runs the last two years and this year:

'91 Pistons
'92, '93, '96 Knicks
'92, '93 Cavs
'96 Magic
'97 hawks
'97 Heat
'98 Pacers

In addition, the '98 Nets and '97 Bullets had more talent than 95% of the teams Lebron has faced.

[ArbitraryWater]

I don't get people who say the big 3 destroyed the eastern conference... I mean the East really wouldn't have a single contender if those 3 never joined up. The ECF would probably be LeBron cavs vs. Wade/Bosh Heat, but neither of those teams could win a championship. The east would be even weaker without the big 3.

Yep, total stupidity... Bosh never even made the playoffs except for, 2 years?

LeBron's was a heavily flawed team exposed come playoff time.. expect them to make some Finals appearances in 2013 and 2014... (Not sure they get past the 2012 Celtics or Pacers)

And the Heat were pretty much a 1st round fodder... mediocre playoff team.

[ArbitraryWater]

The '92 and '93 Cavs alone are far better than any EC team Lebron has faced in the last 3 years. Please.

In fact, all these EC teams which MJ beat during his title runs were better than any EC opponent Lebron has or will face during his title runs the last two years and this year:

'91 Pistons
'92, '93, '96 Knicks
'92, '93 Cavs
'96 Magic
'97 hawks
'97 Heat
'98 Pacers

In addition, the '98 Nets and '97 Bullets had more talent than 95% of the teams Lebron has faced.

The 2011&2012 East was great :confusedshrug: Why are people forgetting this?

[f0und]

because the 90s east was solid to good, whereas the east since 2000 has been historically bad.

[mehyaM24]

The '92 and '93 Cavs alone are far better than any EC team Lebron has faced in the last 3 years.

i agree with this. i even said the cavs were pretty well rounded with wilkins,price,daugherty


In fact, all these EC teams which MJ beat during his title runs were better than any EC opponent Lebron has or will face during his title runs the last two years and this year:

'91 Pistons
'92, '93, '96 Knicks
'92, '93 Cavs
'96 Magic
'97 hawks
'97 Heat
'98 Pacers

hell no. last years pacers before the drama were better than the 91 and 96 knicks, 96 magic(without grant),97 hawks (LOL),97 heat (double LOL), and 98 pacers(easily).

the 2012 celtics were better than all the teams mentioned save for the cavs.


'98 Nets and '97 Bullets had more talent than 95% of the teams Lebron has faced.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[robert_shaww]

'98 Nets and '97 Bullets had more talent than 95% of the teams Lebron has faced.


http://f.eed.bz/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/giphy-11.gif

[pegasus]

I don't get people who say the big 3 destroyed the eastern conference... I mean the East really wouldn't have a single contender if those 3 never joined up. The ECF would probably be LeBron cavs vs. Wade/Bosh Heat, but neither of those teams could win a championship. The east would be even weaker without the big 3.

So you're saying that we should overlook the fact that those three coward superstars teamed up together to create a super-stacked team BECAUSE otherwise the Eastern Conference champions would have had no success against the winner of the West? How does that factor into weighing the rings they've won by taking a short cut?

[Legends66NBA7]

Not sure about the 98 Nets, but the 97 Bullets are pretty underrated. Had a solid squad.

[DFish24]

Bran stans reaching:roll:

[97 bulls]

You guys can't possibly be this dumb. Guys are literally posting facts and youre still attempting to argue against it.

What worse is that its Miami Heat and Los Angeles Lakers fans that are attempting to argue against the 90s Bulls competiton. The Lakers of the 80s and 10s Heat have benefited greatly from playing in atrocious conferences. And the late 00s Lakers never beat a team at full strength in the Finals. The Celtics lost Kendrick Perkins and Jameer Nelson was just returning from an inury. Not to mention the 80s Lakers never beat a team at full strength themselves in Finals.

You guys are friggn jokes.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

discrediting the fact that mj wasnt the man of that team and it was in fact scottie is enough

[mehyaM24]

You guys can't possibly be this dumb. Guys are literally posting facts and youre still attempting to argue against it.

What worse is that its Miami Heat and Los Angeles Lakers fans that are attempting to argue against the 90s Bulls competiton. The Lakers of the 80s and 10s Heat have benefited greatly from playing in atrocious conferences. And the late 00s Lakers never beat a team at full strength in the Finals. The Celtics lost Kendrick Perkins and Jameer Nelson was just returning from an inury. Not to mention the 80s Lakers never beat a team at full strength themselves in Finals.

You guys are friggn jokes.
^says this while ignoring all the facts that say otherwise.

jordan mythologists are TOO funny :oldlol:

[Keno]

why you stealing threads from bx? at least give credit.

[livinglegend]

In the 90s, not only the east was weak but the whole NBA was weak outside of the Bulls. They had the most stacked team in the history after the 60s Celtics. They were so good that their team won 55 wins without the ''GOAT''. The numbers of wins wont show how weak those teams were because they were all weak.

[97 bulls]

^says this while ignoring all the facts that say otherwise.

jordan mythologists are TOO funny :oldlol:
What facts? All I've read from you is opinions. I can say the 90s Grizzlies are better than the teams now a days.

What's your proof?

And just to reiterate. If your only proof is that the Bulls beat and injured Pistons team in 91, well, I can say the exact same thing for every team the Lakers have beaten.

[97 bulls]

In the 90s, not only the east was weak but the whole NBA was weak outside of the Bulls. They had the most stacked team in the history after the 60s Celtics. They were so good that their team won 55 wins without the ''GOAT''. The numbers of wins wont show how weak those teams were because they were all weak.
Ok, look at it this way. Take any team that is capable of winning 55 games and literally add the best player in the league, what do you think is gonna happen?

It's not that complicated. Remember, on almost a yearly basis, the Bulls were winning damn near 70 games. 67 in 92? 72 in 96? 69 in 97 with Rodman missing almost 30? 62 with Pippen missing half the season.

I don't think its hard to fathom that they could've won 70 games three straight seasons with relatively low injuries.

[OldSchoolBBall]

The 2011&2012 East was great :confusedshrug: Why are people forgetting this?

Doesn't change the fact that Lebron didn't beat one EC team in '11 or '12 (and there's no team better in the EC this year either) that is better than any of the teams I listed.

[ArbitraryWater]

Doesn't change the fact that Lebron didn't beat one EC team in '11 or '12 (and there's no team better in the EC this year either) that is better than any of the teams I listed.

:roll: :facepalm :banghead:

[Real14]

he played against nique's hawks, price cavs, ewing knicks, bad boy pistons, shaq and penny's magic, zo and t. Hardaway's heat, miller's pacers, mutumbo's hawks, bird's Celtics, Rice hornets, competition that kills lemonica James' competition with touch fouls to tha line refs.

[OldSchoolBBall]

:roll: :facepalm :banghead:

Name me the teams, then. An over the hill Celtics team? Indi-freaking-ana? You're kidding, right? Those teams would KILL them. At least 75% of the teams I listed would.

[MiseryCityTexas]

because the eastern conference was just as good as the western conference during that era.

[Mr Feeny]

The 2011&2012 East was great :confusedshrug: Why are people forgetting this?

Except they weren't. But a ******* like you who's been watching the NBA for 3 years wouldn't kmow better.

Bye bye rolland garros btw.

[Mr Feeny]

Name me the teams, then. An over the hill Celtics team? Indi-freaking-ana? You're kidding, right? Those teams would KILL them. At least 75% of the teams I listed would.

Don't bother with him. It's a kid. I don't think it's right to pick on a kid.

[Dengness9]

the Pistons and Celtics dynasties were over when the Bulls started to hit their prime. the bulls only "competition" were the Knicks, who were short on talent and had to resort to physical goonery and intimidation. in fact the 1 full season Jordan sat out due to killing his pops...err, playing baseball, the Knicks still struggled to beat the Bulls in 7 games> How come no one ever discredits Michael Jordan's rings when he played in the East his whole career?



meanwhile out West you had:
-the Malone and Stockton led Jazz who were annual championship contenders
-the Spurs teams with prime David Robinson, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott, etc
-Hakeem's Rockets
-Payton and Kemp's Sonics
-prime Barkley's Suns
-always competitive Lakers, even though they were going through a new influx of players
-always competitive Trail Blazers


But err1 wanna automatically put a * on any1 (mainly LB) Who comes out the east?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnFg8hiCUAAnCKa.png

Dude.....you realize Mj Bulls beat Payton/Kemp Sonics, prime Barkley's Suns, always competitive Blazers(Clyde early 90's), and annual contender Stockton/Malone Jazz....?

Heat, Knicks, Shaq Magic, Reggie's Pacers(Davis bros, Smits, Mjax) were all in the east throughout 90's Bulls runs...

[Mr Feeny]

What facts? All I've read from you is opinions. I can say the 90s Grizzlies are better than the teams now a days.

What's your proof?

And just to reiterate. If your only proof is that the Bulls beat and injured Pistons team in 91, well, I can say the exact same thing for every team the Lakers have beaten.

Exactly. Isiah, Lambeer, Rodman, Dumars...the gang was still there. The Bulls just demolished them. It's easy to denigrate a team on the basis of that result. But all it means is that the Bulls were THAT good.

91 Pistons, 92 Knicks, 93 Knicks, 95 Magic, 96 Magic, 97 Heat, and 98 Pacers are better than any Eastern conference team Lebron faced in 2012 amd 2013.
2014 Indiana Pacers? You're having laugh.

[DonDadda59]

^says this while ignoring all the facts that say otherwise.

Please point out where anyone claiming the same as the OP posted anything remotely resembling facts. The only facts that exist show that the Eastern Conference of the 90s, especially the latter part of the decade, was far superior to the absolute joke of a conference we see today.

All you've posted is 'Jordan mythologist lol teehee'. Might just be me personally, but that's not all that convincing of an argument...

[TheMan]

stop talking basketball,dilbert. hoops just aint your thing

try the OTC or something
Congrats, you're the dumbest poster here:applause:

[sportjames23]

he played against nique's hawks, price cavs, ewing knicks, bad boy pistons, shaq and penny's magic, zo and t. Hardaway's heat, miller's pacers, mutumbo's hawks, bird's Celtics, Rice hornets, competition that kills lemonica James' competition with touch fouls to tha line refs.


Real talk. Anyone saying the East (or the NBA in general) is better now than back in the 90s is full of shit.

[aboss4real24]

the real question is if Lebron with this heat team would win in that era

[DonDadda59]

the real question is if Lebron with this heat team would win in that era

The team that earned garbage ass Roy Hibbert a max contract? I say every center they play has a career series against them. Just thinking about the absolute carnage Shaq would unleash on RuPaul :oldlol:

[eliteballer]

Seriously...the East(besides the Bulls) had all of the B level contenders with the exception of some of the Knicks teams and 97 Heat/98 Pacers.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

A more appropriate comparison would be the Lakers in the 80's.

[bukowski81]

the Pistons and Celtics dynasties were over when the Bulls started to hit their prime. the bulls only "competition" were the Knicks, who were short on talent and had to resort to physical goonery and intimidation. in fact the 1 full season Jordan sat out due to killing his pops...err, playing baseball, the Knicks still struggled to beat the Bulls in 7 games> How come no one ever discredits Michael Jordan's rings when he played in the East his whole career?


meanwhile out West you had:
-the Malone and Stockton led Jazz who were annual championship contenders
-the Spurs teams with prime David Robinson, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott, etc
-Hakeem's Rockets
-Payton and Kemp's Sonics
-prime Barkley's Suns
-always competitive Lakers, even though they were going through a new influx of players
-always competitive Trail Blazers


But err1 wanna automatically put a * on any1 (mainly LB) Who comes out the east?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnFg8hiCUAAnCKa.png

:facepalm :facepalm The east had some very good teams in the 90s, knicks, pacers, cavs, orlando, heat, all of those would be at least the 3rd seed in today east.

[diamenz]

it's not about east or west. it's about n!ggas & b!tches, power & money, riders & punks.

which side r u on?

[Im Still Ballin]

it's not about east or west. it's about n!ggas & b!tches, power & money, riders & punks.

which side r u on?
your mamas backside smashing that shit like its monday night enchilada leftovers.

[diamenz]

your mamas backside smashing that shit like its monday night enchilada leftovers.

my mom's passed, brah.

[livinglegend]

Ok, look at it this way. Take any team that is capable of winning 55 games and literally add the best player in the league, what do you think is gonna happen?

It's not that complicated. Remember, on almost a yearly basis, the Bulls were winning damn near 70 games. 67 in 92? 72 in 96? 69 in 97 with Rodman missing almost 30? 62 with Pippen missing half the season.

I don't think its hard to fathom that they could've won 70 games three straight seasons with relatively low injuries.

You are proving my point, that team was too stacked for the rest of league. The rest of the league was pretty weak. Replace Jordan with any all-time great perimeter guy, they still win 6 championship, maybe more because that guy wouldnt give up on the team to play baseball.

[diamenz]

i wouldn't call the east weak at all during the bull's first 3peat.

can't say the same abut the later nineties, though.

[Im Still Ballin]

my mom's passed, brah.
my apologies.
your girls backside smashing that shit like its monday night enchilada leftovers.

[diamenz]

my apologies.
your girls backside smashing that shit like its monday night enchilada leftovers.

she's dead too.

j/k :pimp:

[JT123]

LOL at people saying the late 90's Heat were a great team. That team was like today's Chicago Bulls, great defensive team, but not enough offensive weapons to ever be considered a legitimate contender. I mean their best player was a 6'1 Tim Hardaway for crying out loud. :roll: I have yet to see anyone make a solid argument for the East being better back then. Every argument is based on nothing more than nostalgia. Saying the 98 Nets were better than the 2012 Celtics? :biggums: Tells me all I need to know about a person's intelligence level. :hammerhead:

[j3lademaster]

zero offensive structure.midget backcourt,lack of swingmen. weak6'3 Starks, 6'4 Doc, 6'4 Derek Harper... midget compared to what? The behemoths of today? Such as 6'0 CP3, 6'4 Reddick; 6'1 Conley, 6'4 Toney Allen; 6'1 Chalmers, 6'4 Wade... are 6'4 Wall and 6'3 Beal midgets?

[97 bulls]

You are proving my point, that team was too stacked for the rest of league. The rest of the league was pretty weak. Replace Jordan with any all-time great perimeter guy, they still win 6 championship, maybe more because that guy wouldnt give up on the team to play baseball.
So when the Lakers won in 09 and 10 was the rest of the league weak?

[97 bulls]

i wouldn't call the east weak at all during the bull's first 3peat.

can't say the same abut the later nineties, though.
The East was better in the second three-peat. But neither was weak.

[97 bulls]

LOL at people saying the late 90's Heat were a great team. That team was like today's Chicago Bulls, great defensive team, but not enough offensive weapons to ever be considered a legitimate contender. I mean their best player was a 6'1 Tim Hardaway for crying out loud. :roll: I have yet to see anyone make a solid argument for the East being better back then. Every argument is based on nothing more than nostalgia. Saying the 98 Nets were better than the 2012 Celtics? :biggums: Tells me all I need to know about a person's intelligence level. :hammerhead:
They had two guys that avg 20 ppg. Jamal Mashburn was a 20 ppg scorer before and after he joined the Heat and was relegated to the three option. Dan Marjle could fill it up in a hurry as well.

And Hardaway wasn't their best player, Alonzo Mourning was.

[Element]

the 2012 celtics were better than all the teams mentioned save for the cavs.



:roll: :roll: :roll:

agenda exposed lol

2012 celtics as LeBron faced them were missing their best wing defender Avery Bradley and were playing a severely hobbled Pierce and Ray who both sucked dick throughout the playoffs. They relied entirely on Rondo's dominance and KG turning back the clock to 2008. They were also so worried about bran that they let him play 1v1 almost the entire series up until Game 7, whilst double teaming Wade on nearly every play (because he had historically shred the Celtics D in Postseasons prior)

[houston]

east always been weak anyways. mehyaM24 speaks the truth.

[mehyaM24]

LOL at people saying the late 90's Heat were a great team. That team was like today's Chicago Bulls, great defensive team, but not enough offensive weapons to ever be considered a legitimate contender. I mean their best player was a 6'1 Tim Hardaway for crying out loud. :roll: I have yet to see anyone make a solid argument for the East being better back then. Every argument is based on nothing more than nostalgia. Saying the 98 Nets were better than the 2012 Celtics? :biggums: Tells me all I need to know about a person's intelligence level. :hammerhead:

seriously.

mourning was a great defensive player, but even ewing was miles better offensively(not saying much when ny themselves were challenged on that end). and tim hardaway post acl surgery? guy was a sub~ 40 shooter with an average volume of shot attempts

when you break down most of those teams in the 90s eastern conference,they had MAJOR flaws,mostof them being on the offensive side of the ball.

do people legit think that gimmicky style ny ran would work today? they'd barely make the playoffs in the west.

[mehyaM24]

east always been weak anyways. mehyaM24 speaks the truth.

nostalgia runs deep my friend....

[jstern]

Eastern Conference Winning % (Bulls Championship Years)

1990-1991: 48.9%
1991-1992: 49.9%
1992-1993: 50.8%
1995-1996: 50.3%
1996-1997: 52.6%
1997-1998: 52.7%

Eastern Conference Winning % (Post Decision)

2010-2011: 47.1%
2011-2012: 47.9%
2012-2013: 47%
2013-2014: 43.2%

Red= 2nd Lowest Eastern conference % ever.

The East this year also posted the lowest ever H2H winning percentage (37%) against the West.

Come On Son (http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/image_thumb3.png?w=590&h=377)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2017531-nbas-eastern-conference-might-not-be-worst-version-ever

http://nba.si.com/2013/12/05/historic-disparity-nba-conferences-eastern-western/

^If that's an indication of 'Jordan mythology' then Bron Bron's on some Paul Bunyan, Wilt Chamberlain type shit. :oldlol:


The interesting thing is that if the East had a winning percentage of 49.5 each of those Bulls seasons, they would say that it was proof that the East was weak as ****. Instead the East was over 50% for 4 out of those 6 seasons. It's all about a weird obsession that the OP and his alt account have.

[mehyaM24]

The interesting thing is that if the East had a winning percentage of 49.5 each of those Bulls seasons, they would say that it was proof that the East was weak as ****. Instead the East was over 50% for 4 out of those 6 seasons. It's all about a weird obsession that the OP and his alt account have.

i've asked that poster to use win percentages with playoff teams but he's ignored my post(its somewhere in the low 40% for the east), which just further proves my point.

great basketball is all about competition. if pointing out that reality hurts you, i dont know what to say. :confusedshrug:

[Paul George 24]

Two words.....


Jordan mythology
stay mad :oldlol:

[guy]

the Pistons and Celtics dynasties were over when the Bulls started to hit their prime. the bulls only "competition" were the Knicks, who were short on talent and had to resort to physical goonery and intimidation. in fact the 1 full season Jordan sat out due to killing his pops...err, playing baseball, the Knicks still struggled to beat the Bulls in 7 games> How come no one ever discredits Michael Jordan's rings when he played in the East his whole career?



meanwhile out West you had:
-the Malone and Stockton led Jazz who were annual championship contenders
-the Spurs teams with prime David Robinson, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott, etc
-Hakeem's Rockets
-Payton and Kemp's Sonics
-prime Barkley's Suns
-always competitive Lakers, even though they were going through a new influx of players
-always competitive Trail Blazers


But err1 wanna automatically put a * on any1 (mainly LB) Who comes out the east?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnFg8hiCUAAnCKa.png

None of those Western Conference teams were all competitive at the same time. And the Bulls always had rivals in the East better then almost any Eastern Conference team in the 00s-10s. The 91 Celtics, 91 Pistons, 92 Knicks, 92 Cavs, 93 Knicks, 94 Knicks, 94 Pacers, 95 Knicks, 95 Magic, 95 Pacers, 96 Knicks, 96 Magic, 97 Knicks, 97 Heat, 98 Heat, and 98 Pacers were better then any team from the East in the 00s-10s except for some of the championship and finals teams. Its not even close. And there wasn't really any noticeable disparity between the Eastern and Western Conferences like there is now.

By the way, its hilarious when people say the 91 Pistons or 91 Lakers were "out of their prime" but then pump up how the Heat beat the 2012 Celtics and 2013 Spurs :oldlol:

[SexSymbol]

Zo Heat, Magic with shaq/penny, knicks with ewing starks
pistons with isiah and other all-stars, C's were good for a few years, pacers came in later on. There were a lot of good teams

[TheMan]

Zo Heat, Magic with shaq/penny, knicks with ewing starks
pistons with isiah and other all-stars, C's were good for a few years, pacers came in later on. There were a lot of good teams
The 98 Pacers alone were better than any team Miami has faced these last 3 years in the EC. That team had a very good PG in Mark Jackson, good outside shooters in Reggie Miller and Chris Mullin and their FC is easily better than what Miami has faced so far in Dale Davis, Antonio Davis and Ric Smits. Dat FC would crush the Heat, no joke...