Hypothetically....if Ray Allen missed...and Lebron was 1/3 in the finals. [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

HoopsFanNumero1

05-08-2014, 10:11 PM

But it is funny how things turned out. If the Heat had lost in game 6, 20 years from now people would remember it as Lebron choking the series away, and Duncan still dominating. Instead, now they'll remember it as Lebron putting up a clutch performance to seal the series and Duncan choking in game 7 :lol

SCdac

05-08-2014, 10:12 PM

SilkkTheShocker

05-08-2014, 10:13 PM

Lebron stans afraid to answer the question cuz it'll expose him
The fact you're getting worked up over a hypothetical question means you already. Call us when you get back to reality. Hypotheticals are for losers

navy

05-08-2014, 10:13 PM

But it is funny how things turned out. If the Heat had lost in game 6, 20 years from now people would remember it as Lebron choking the series away, and Duncan still dominating. Instead, now they'll remember it as a Ray Allen 3 and Lebron putting up a clutch performance to seal the series :lol
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Keno

05-08-2014, 10:14 PM

what if kobe stayed and played for charlotte? just another jerry stackhouse.

truhooper

05-08-2014, 10:16 PM

You clowns are pathetic :facepalm

JT123

05-08-2014, 10:17 PM

what if kobe stayed and played for charlotte? just another jerry stackhouse.
QFT. :cheers:

zoom17

05-08-2014, 10:17 PM

what if you're dad pulled out in the last second when finishing.

I<3NBA

05-08-2014, 10:19 PM

what if OP wasn't a ***?

JohnFreeman

05-08-2014, 10:20 PM

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1673447/lebronclutch.gif

JT123

05-08-2014, 10:20 PM

The Heat won 4 games against the Spurs, not just one lucky one, and the last one didn't even involve that shot from Ray Allen. People need to realize Spurs had their chances to win but were the worse team :facepalm
Only decent Spurs fan on this board. :applause: All the other Spurs fans are STILL bitter as shit. :oldlol: Be like this dude and learn how to let it go.

SilkkTheShocker

05-08-2014, 10:20 PM

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1673447/lebronclutch.gif
Thread :oldlol:

GODbe

05-08-2014, 10:23 PM

He'd have no chance of surpassing Gasol that's for sure. He'd probably drop down to the low 60s surrounded by Brandon Jennings, Jamario Moon.

ninephive

05-09-2014, 08:40 AM

It would have changed his legacy enormously. The media would have destroyed him for his last few minutes of G6 and for an overall subpar performance for the series. I believe it would have been a toss-up for Parker/Duncan/Green FMVP (although they would never give it to a role player like Green). I think that game changed the way we will remember Lebron for a long long time. If there were ever a legacy-changing moment in NBA history, I think that was it.

Marlo_Stanfield

05-09-2014, 09:09 AM

tmacattack33

05-09-2014, 10:01 AM

He'd be ranked as Top 20 right now, and I believe that he's going to win 2 more rings by the time his career is over and so he'd still get into the Top 5 without it.

And it woulda been hard for him to recover after losing in the Finals to the Spurs. But he recovered after 2011's debacle, and he's already proven that literally the whole sports world can be hating on him and he can still play well, so I think he would bounce back from it.

Kblaze8855

05-09-2014, 10:40 AM

So...he would "only" be a 4 time MVP, an NBA champ, finals MVP, career 28/7/7 player(I believe only 5 people have even had a 28/7/7 season), 8 time all nba first team, and the leader of 4 finals teams in the middle of a playoffs likely to end in a 5th....and hes still 29.

So he would be dead middle of his prime already having had a better career than Doctor J, Moses Malone, Elgin Baylor, Oscar robertson, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, and Jerry West.

And this...would be laughed at on ISH. By people who would actually be serious.

dannywpt

05-09-2014, 10:43 AM

What if bran had the skills and mentality to go along with his athleticsm? :eek:

dubeta

05-09-2014, 12:00 PM

So should Bran have lost to the Pistons in ECF in 07 to protect that precious Finals record that Jordan mythologists j*rk off to?

AlphaWolf24

05-09-2014, 12:30 PM

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1673447/lebronclutch.gif

real talk for a second...

I look at that shot and think about how many hours Lebron spent over the 11' and 12' offseasons working on his jumper.

If you are a real "technical fan or player" of the game...you have to appreciate how much Lebron worked to become a better jump shooter/shooter in General.

In reality...as Gifted as Pro athletes are physically....the Great players who separate themselves put in a ton of work to become "technically or Fundamentally" better.....just so in situations like this......it may help them hit that timely jumper.

Lebron attacks right and pulls up for a " 1 - 2 jumper".....his left foot is his "plant leg" and stops his momentum......his right foot is his "lead/square up" leg....

Normally if the defender is on you tight you have to goin to your shot right away.......Lebron recognizes that KL is going under...lebron adjust's his right foot to get a perfect square up/shot line and shoots a technically sound jumper....

That may not have happened if he didn't put the work in......:applause:
Amazing to see Great players work so hard....to correct something that is off by a matter of inches...

the difference between a made basket and missed basket is just a matter of inches.

Marchesk

05-09-2014, 12:55 PM

So he would be dead middle of his prime already having had a better career than Doctor J, Moses Malone, Elgin Baylor, Oscar robertson, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, and Jerry West.

I'm not sure his career is already better than Oscar and West's. Dr J is debatable if you include the ABA.

West gets underrated on ISH. And how Oscar's stock has fallen.

Marchesk

05-09-2014, 12:56 PM

So should Bran have lost to the Pistons in ECF in 07 to protect that precious Finals record that Jordan mythologists j*rk off to?

No, but losing to the Bulls in 2011 would have helped.

NumberSix

05-09-2014, 12:59 PM

Hypothetically, if Dirk doesn't hit a late game layup, Heat are 3-0 after 3 games.

Kblaze8855

05-09-2014, 01:17 PM

I'm not sure his career is already better than Oscar and West's. Dr J is debatable if you include the ABA.

West gets underrated on ISH. And how Oscar's stock has fallen.

Oscar won one ring as a #2, won one MVP, and missed the playoffs several times in his prime playing with other first ballot hall of famers and an extra all star or two in addition to that HOF bigman(Lucas). West lost in the finals I believe 8 times and when he did won he shot 32%.

Not fair to judge them that way....but they have those career today they get clowned.

Which has more to do with fans being idiots than anything they did wrong. But it is what it is.

livinglegend

05-09-2014, 01:23 PM

Law of the universe: Everything even out at the end.
Another event in the future would make up for that miss. DEAL WITH IT.

plowking

05-09-2014, 01:25 PM

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1673447/lebronclutch.gif

I didn't bother reading most of the replies in here, but saw this gif.

Just reminded me of a fantastic shot, that really didn't get much talk. Weird, considering it was a huge shot, a big moment, and a huge clutch play that sealed the championship.

I remember as a Heat fan thinking at that point, just one more bucket and we've won as Bron was dribbling at the top of the key. As soon as he sunk it, I knew we'd won it.

Just for that reason, I find it bizarre it doesn't get talked about more.

Demitri98

05-09-2014, 01:26 PM

Hypothetically, what if LeBron had hit that first three?

Kblaze8855

05-09-2014, 01:31 PM

Hypothetically, what if LeBron had hit that first three?

Or not scored or assisted on at least 54 points of the teams 103? Hell it was probably closer to 60. An awful lot of his assists tend to be 3s.

SilkkTheShocker

05-09-2014, 01:34 PM

What if the Spurs role players didn't play complete over their heads for the first 5 and half games of the series? What if Tony Parker doesn't pull those shots of his ass? The Spurs flat out blew it. They have no one to blame but themselves.

Jailblazers7

05-09-2014, 01:37 PM

I didn't bother reading most of the replies in here, but saw this gif.

Just reminded me of a fantastic shot, that really didn't get much talk. Weird, considering it was a huge shot, a big moment, and a huge clutch play that sealed the championship.

I remember as a Heat fan thinking at that point, just one more bucket and we've won as Bron was dribbling at the top of the key. As soon as he sunk it, I knew we'd won it.

Just for that reason, I find it bizarre it doesn't get talked about more.

Yeah, that is the one part of the Cleveland fallout that I really hate about Lebron's current status. There is just such a massive amount of negativity around the guy and it has become very wearisome.

SilkkTheShocker

05-09-2014, 01:41 PM

I didn't bother reading most of the replies in here, but saw this gif.

Just reminded me of a fantastic shot, that really didn't get much talk. Weird, considering it was a huge shot, a big moment, and a huge clutch play that sealed the championship.

I remember as a Heat fan thinking at that point, just one more bucket and we've won as Bron was dribbling at the top of the key. As soon as he sunk it, I knew we'd won it.

Just for that reason, I find it bizarre it doesn't get talked about more.

It's a repressed memory for LeBron haters. They just cover their ears, and shut their eyes and pretend it never happened. That's why I always laugh as someone saying he isn't clutch. He had one of the best game 7s ever and sealed the series with that shot

Solefade

05-09-2014, 01:43 PM

It's a repressed memory for LeBron haters. They just cover their ears, and shut their eyes and pretend it never happened. That's why I always laugh as someone saying he isn't clutch. He had one of the best game 7s ever and sealed the series with that shot

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^these games gets swept under the rug all the time too..like it never happened

GimmeThat

05-09-2014, 01:45 PM

Probably top 30. maybe 25 and above.

Here's the real question. Name me any player who had won multiple championships that wasn't on a "stacked" team, with "multiple" hall of famers.

Because WINNING makes a big part of the ranking.

If I told you that winning the finals makes every single player on the team move up on their ranking. You wouldn't be shocked, would ya.

SilkkTheShocker

05-09-2014, 01:49 PM

What if bran had the skills and mentality to go along with his athleticsm? :eek:

You know even at 40, Bron will still be a more skilled player than FT35 could ever dream of, right? :oldlol:

SilkkTheShocker

05-09-2014, 01:50 PM

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http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0601/nba_cavs_pistons_2007_576.jpg

^these games gets swept under the rug all the time too..like it never happened

Exactly bro. Especially that game 5 against Detroit where LeBron dragged that ATROCIOUS Cavs team kicking and screaming in the 4th and both overtimes. Look at those Cavs players in that game, they passed the ball like it was a ****ing bomb

red1

05-09-2014, 01:55 PM

jesus christ just f*cking get over it already

robert_shaww

05-09-2014, 02:01 PM

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Brokenbeat

05-09-2014, 02:08 PM

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dannywpt

05-09-2014, 04:42 PM

You know even at 40, Bron will still be a more skilled player than FT35 could ever dream of, right? :oldlol:

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TheMan

05-09-2014, 06:09 PM

Exactly bro. Especially that game 5 against Detroit where LeBron dragged that ATROCIOUS Cavs team kicking and screaming in the 4th and both overtimes. Look at those Cavs players in that game, they passed the ball like it was a ****ing bomb
Kinda like Bran in the 11 Finals :oldlol:

But yeah, props to LeBron, he's been clutch since then. Another thing people don't mention a whole lot is that Bron was unstoppable the last 5-6 minutes of Gm 6, he singlehandedly brought Miami back in that game. Ray Ray hit the tying shot but without LBJ going God mode, the Spurs win easily and there wouldn't be a chance for Allen to make one of the biggest shots in Finals history.

MavsSuperFan

05-09-2014, 06:12 PM

The Heat won 4 games against the Spurs, not just one lucky one, and the last one didn't even involve that shot from Ray Allen. People need to realize Spurs had their chances to win but were the worse team :facepalm
also lebron lead the comeback in game 6.

He was the only reason it was that close. Lebron took over that game by driving to the basket.
Allen saved him, but he saved the heat first and put the heat in that position where they had a chance. Lebron was clearly the Finals MVP

LA_Showtime

05-09-2014, 06:19 PM

More curious to see how it would have affected Duncan and Parker's legacy.

SCdac

05-09-2014, 06:21 PM

also lebron lead the comeback in game 6.

He was the only reason it was that close. Lebron took over that game by driving to the basket.
Allen saved him, but he saved the heat first and put the heat in that position where they had a chance. Lebron was clearly the Finals MVP

Good points

Also... Lebron had a 37 point game 7!

with like 12 boards and 5 three's

nearly every great and championship team has gotten help from shooters and role players... ie. Steve Kerr (Bulls), Mario Ellie (Rockets), Sean Elliott (Spurs), etc... I don't see it as a knock on Lebron or that "his career was saved".