PO series wins against 50+ win teams

[SexSymbol]

For the past two hours I've worked on research about some of the greatest players competition and success in the play-offs. Here are play-off series wins against teams with 50 or more wins.

Kobe Bryant -23
Scottie Pippen -22
Michael Jordan -20
Shaquille O'neal -17
Tim Duncan - 15
Dennis Rodman -15
Magic Johnson -13
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -13
Clyde Drexler -12
Dirk Nowitzki -11
Julius Erving (ABA included, they had 84 games a season) -11
Hakeem Olajuwon-10
Larry Bird -10
Bill Russell -10
John Havlicek -9
John Stockton -8
Isiah Thomas -7
Steve Nash -7
Walt Frazier -7
Wilt Chamberlain -5
Dwyane Wade -5
Moses Malone -5
David Robinson -5
Kevin Garnett -5
Patrick Ewing -5
LeBron James -4
Jerry West -4
Reggie Miller -4
Charles Barkley -4
Kevin Durant -3
Chris Paul -2
Nate Thurmond -2
Oscar Robertson -2
Vince Carter -1
Allen Iverson -1
Carmelo Anthony -1
Dominique Wilkins -0

:cheers:

[RagaZ]

You forgot Parker and Ginobili.

[kamil]

Considering the number of playoff games some of those guys have played and still have such low numbers only goes to show how easy their route to the finals has been and how theyve failed to take over the game.

Kobe and MJ are in a league of their own, like skip bayless has said about Kobe, he's got that assassin killer instinct.

[ArbitraryWater]

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[SexSymbol]

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[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Lebron :biggums:

[AnaheimLakers24]

if this was a top 25 list bran is in the right spot

[PJR]

Any more arbitrary statistics or benchmarks that you'd like to share?

[Rocketswin2013]

Kobe wasn't the #1 option for at least half of those. So you can go ahead and dock about 10-13 of those and leave him in the Bird-Hakeem area of around ten.

[RagaZ]

Any more arbitrary statistics and benchmarks that you'd like to share?
This is a much more important stat than PER, FG% or whatever.

[SexSymbol]

Kobe wasn't the #1 option for st least half of those. So you can go ahead and dock about 10-13 of those and leave him in the Bird-Hakeem area of around ten.
So what you're saying is that even if we take some of his best years that can compare with anybody's best all-time he is still in the very elite?
At most you can take the series from his first three years, and I believe the total would stand at 20 then

[triangleoffense]

good point ur right kobe is better, thanks for convincing me

[zoom17]

Any more arbitrary statistics or benchmarks that you'd like to share?

this

[Droid101]

Kobe wasn't the #1 option for st least half of those. So you can go ahead and dock about 10-13 of those and leave him in the Bird-Hakeem area of around ten.
Ah, the old "if I don't think something happened it doesn't count" defense. JamtheQueer is the best at that one. Step your game up.

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[HoopsFanNumero1]

Where are Derek Fisher and Robert Horry?

[ArbitraryWater]

about you

Literally NOBODY CARED about this "stat".... since when is beating 50 win teams some kind of thing to look at? :roll: :roll:

You finally found something which, without giving context a check, WOULD FAVOR KOBE!!!!!!!! OMG

Hidden agenda, f@ggot

[Bodhi]

Please

All this proves is that LeBron is so dominant that other teams in the east can't win 50 games with him around

[Droid101]

Please

All this proves is that LeBron is so dominant that other teams in the east can't win 50 games with him around
Huh. That's weird. the 72-10 Bulls were in a conference with two other 50-win teams (Magic, Pacers).

I guess the Bulls just weren't dominant enough!

[Rocketswin2013]

So what you're saying is that even if we take some of his best years that can compare with anybody's best all-time he is still in the very elite?
At most you can take the series from his first three years, and I believe the total would stand at 20 then
Kobe had a solid 6 striaght years of riding Shaq's coat tail.

4 of which they made it all the way and 2 other of them being in the WCSF-WCF.

His count for these are ridiculously padded. Lol this is so obvious.

[ArbitraryWater]

This is a much more important stat than PER, FG% or whatever.

Ahh, a "stat" which would make Derek Fisher to all guys superior... In fact, he would top out on this list. Wow, very important indeed... Fisher > Kobe, Jordan, Kareem, etc.

Ragaz, you and your stupidity man :lol :facepalm

[HoopsFanNumero1]

This is a much more important stat than PER, FG% or whatever.

You're really comparing team stats to individual stats :biggums:

[SexSymbol]

Literally NOBODY CARED about this "stat".... since when is beating 50 win teams some kind of thing to look at? :roll: :roll:

You finally found something which, without giving context a check, WOULD FAVOR KOBE!!!!!!!! OMG

Hidden agenda, f@ggot
How old are you?
Literally, from your posts it seems like you're fifteen. Stupid insults, overused memes, seeing hidden meaning where there isn't one.

I did some research and decided to share it, how come everything that has 25+ people in it becomes Kobe vs. LeBron to you? Real stan's heart is beating inside your chest, I'll tell you that much

[Droid101]

Kobe had a solid 6 striaght years of riding Shaq's coat tail.

4 of which they had it all the way and 2 other of them being in the WCSF-WCF.

His count for these are ridiculously padded. Lol this is so obvious.
2001 Playoffs
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BESnCrgCAAEHKku.jpg

What a Jerk Kobe was, getting carried by Shaq!

[red1]

derek fisher doe?

[SexSymbol]

Ahh, a "stat" which would make Derek Fisher to all guys superior... In fact, he would top out on this list. Wow, very important indeed... Fisher > Kobe, Jordan, Kareem, etc.

Ragaz, you and your stupidity man :lol :facepalm
You do realize that Fisher is a role-player right? And none of the guys mentioned in the OP are?
Have you ever heard of logic and objectiveness?

[ArbitraryWater]

2001 Playoffs
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BESnCrgCAAEHKku.jpg

What a Jerk Kobe was, getting carried by Shaq!

No, this is 2001 First 3 Rounds of the Playoffs...

[red1]

Where are Derek Fisher and Robert Horry?
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[SCdac]

Is there a significant difference in the performance and strength from a 50-32 win team to a 49-33 win team?

Also, OP should add Scottie, Rodman, Ewing, Manu, Parker, Horry, Nash, and others.

[SexSymbol]

Kobe had a solid 6 striaght years of riding Shaq's coat tail.

4 of which they made it all the way and 2 other of them being in the WCSF-WCF.

His count for these are ridiculously padded. Lol this is so obvious.
We can take away the 98 Supersonics series from Kobe, as he only played 30 minutes
21-4-3 in 00 against pheonix
20-6-5 in 00 against portland
16-5-4 in 00 against indiana (injury)
25-8-4-2 in 01 against portland
35-9-4 in 01 against SAC
25-8-6 against philly same year
26-5-5 in 02 against Spurs
27-6-4 in 02 against kings
26-7-5 in 02 against nets.

So at best you can take away two series and both are due to injury.
He still has the max elite level series wins, I don't see how your point could still stand

[SexSymbol]

Is there a significant difference in the performance and strength from a 50-32 win team to a 49-33 win team?

Also, OP should add Scottie, Rodman, Ewing, Manu, Parker, Horry, Nash, and others.
Pretty much all of those guys had at least 1 or 2 teams that had 49 wins, but nobody's total would increase dramatically.

[zoom17]

I swear this thread is made every other day get over it Lebron>Kobe.

[AnaheimLakers24]

mcroberts bobcats arebetter than all those 50 win teams

[SexSymbol]

Added Nash, Ewing, Rodman

[riseagainst]

Lebron :biggums:

yeah i was surprised he even has that many.














:pimp:

[riseagainst]

Kobe and MJ

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[SexSymbol]

Added Wilkins, Frazier, Drexler, Stockton

[SexSymbol]

Added Jerry West, Nate Thurmond

[lilgodfather1]

No dfish yet? Goat, since the leader of your incomplete list in the op hasn't had a series win in years, 50 win team, or otherwise lol.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Of course the f@ggot OP still hasn't added Fisher or Horry. Kobetards :facepalm

[fpliii]

What about Pippen or Parker?

[SyRyanYang]

Stats become arbitrary when they don't favor Bran, sounds about right.

[fpliii]

Havlicek too.

[The-Legend-24]

Ur telling me that Bran, over 10 years has only beaten 4 teams with over 50 wins? What a joke. :roll:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

oof

[97 bulls]

What about Pippen or Parker?
Seeing as how Jordan has 20, I'd assume Pippen has 22 cuz the Blazers beat two 50 win teams during his tenure with them.

[Young X]

What about Jason Kidd before he went to Dallas?

[fpliii]

Seeing as how Jordan has 20, I'd assume Pippen has 22 cuz the Blazers beat two 50 win teams during his tenure with them.
I was thinking he could tie Kobe, but the Cavs in 94 came 3 wins short. Parker overlaps with Duncan, so he's not terribly useful here.

Hondo could be up there.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

OP should make the same list but against defenses with a defensive rating <100. I've always wanted to do that myself but then I remember I have a life.

[The-Legend-24]

about you
:roll:

[SexSymbol]

Added Scottie Pippen and Hondo

[plowking]

So guys that played on great teams pretty much their whole careers have a high amount, and those that have played on average teams for a large chunk of their career have a low amount...

What is the point of this thread? Of course guys like Magic, Duncan, Shaq and Kobe are going to have higher numbers than most. They've been on championship caliber teams their whole career essentially, hence they're always one of the favourites, always go through to the later rounds, and play the better teams.

I'm sure OP had other motives and biases but he just ended up looking stupid.

[SexSymbol]

So guys that played on great teams pretty much their whole careers have a high amount, and those that have played on average teams for a large chunk of their career have a low amount...

What is the point of this thread? Of course guys like Magic, Duncan, Shaq and Kobe are going to have higher numbers than most. They've been on championship caliber teams their whole career essentially, hence they're always one of the favourites, always go through to the later rounds, and play the better teams.

I'm sure OP had other motives and biases but he just ended up looking stupid.
It is a thread to show how all-time greats faced competition and what level of it and how they managed to succeed or not against it

[B4llin]

Ur telling me that Bran, over 10 years has only beaten 4 teams with over 50 wins? What a joke. :roll:


The NBA has to do absolutely everything to get Lebron wins in the playoffs.

[plowking]

It is a thread to show how all-time greats faced competition and what level of it and how they managed to succeed or not against it

It doesn't show that at all. It actually shows a list of those that played on great teams for the majority of their career.

You're not expected to beat a lot of 50 win teams when you're the 8th or 7th seed constantly.

[Black Mamba's B]

It doesn't show that at all. It actually shows a list of those that played on great teams for the majority of their career.

You're not expected to beat a lot of 50 win teams when you're the 8th or 7th seed constantly.
Nah Op has a point. For instance, LeBron has played on plenty of high seeded teams but hasn't always faced the best competition playoff wise because he's in a garbage conference. He has no control over that, unless he decides to head out west. It is what it is

[Number24]

Kobe wasn't the #1 option for at least half of those. So you can go ahead and dock about 10-13 of those and leave him in the Bird-Hakeem area of around ten.
that would leave LeBron with 0...:eek:

[ImKobe]

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[SexSymbol]

It doesn't show that at all. It actually shows a list of those that played on great teams for the majority of their career.

You're not expected to beat a lot of 50 win teams when you're the 8th or 7th seed constantly.
You're not a great player if you're a 8th or 7th seed constantly

[robert_shaww]

For the past two hours I've worked on research about some of the greatest players competition and success in the play-offs. Here are play-off series wins against teams with 50 or more wins.

Kobe Bryant -23
Scottie Pippen -22
Michael Jordan -20
Shaquille O'neal -17
Tim Duncan - 15
Dennis Rodman -15
Magic Johnson -13
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar -13
Clyde Drexler -12
Dirk Nowitzki -11
Julius Erving (ABA included, they had 84 games a season) -11
Hakeem Olajuwon-10
Larry Bird -10
Bill Russell -10
John Havlicek -9
John Stockton -8
Isiah Thomas -7
Steve Nash -7
Walt Frazier -7
Wilt Chamberlain -5
Dwyane Wade -5
Moses Malone -5
David Robinson -5
Kevin Garnett -5
Patrick Ewing -5
LeBron James -4
Jerry West -4
Reggie Miller -4
Charles Barkley -4
Kevin Durant -3
Chris Paul -2
Nate Thurmond -2
Oscar Robertson -2
Vince Carter -1
Allen Iverson -1
Carmelo Anthony -1
Dominique Wilkins -0

:cheers:

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[ImKobe]

Lebron has beat 4 50+ win teams in the Playoffs for his ENTIRE career, Kobe beat 4 50+ win teams in a row in the 2001 Playoffs and went 15-1 against those teams...lol Bran

Also, Kobe had a 5-game stretch in the 2001 POs, where he averaged 39/10/5/2 on 50/42/82 shooting

[christian1923]

Damn kobe is amazing

[ArbitraryWater]

50+ Games is a subjective, arbitrary number. None the less, it holds weight as long as it's accounted to the basic 82 game regular season. We simply say 50 wins, and 50 of 82 is 61%. So of course when the amount of games changes, the season isn't 82 games long but 66, 50 isn't the standart anymore. 61%, still is. 40 of 66 Games is 61%. Hence the 2012 Pacers and 2012 Thunder must be added, making it 6 61% Teams. (See the "50+ Wins" can't be always used, as the duration of the season changes. 61%, can always be the standart, and only then you realize what kind of an arbitrary number it is.)
On top, I'm fairly certain that the 2012 Celtics would have been on pace for 50/61% if the season would have gone the full length, due to the C's struggling a bit out of the gate, but finishing the season winning 24 of the last 34, 24-10, and only loosing 1 home game in that span.

Also, the 2013 Pacers should definitely been given some consideration. 49 Wins and they played 1 less game, as their away game @ Boston was cancelled due to the marathon bombing incident. The Pacers did have a much better record than the Celtics, and It wouldn't be controversial in any way to assume they'd win, and get the 50.

Which would make it a total of 7 50+ win opponents. Jordan has 20, Duncan 16, and LeBron has just passed the halfway mark of his career. So I don't really see a huge difference in here at all.

And even counting series' for Kobe from 1997-1999 where he played like 10 minutes a game? Ridiculous.

None the less, all we're measuring here is the opponent team. This still doesn't show us strength of own team, which team is more stacked/loaded, which team is favorite, hence, SHOULD win..... Because I tell ya, LeBron as one-man-show on that Cav team was Underdog a lot. Maybe not by people who gave too much weight to the regular season, but that Cleveland team was severly flawed, and the role players simply couldn't sustain their level in the post-season. It's one thing to carry in the regular season, it's another to do it in the post-season. And outside of 2006&2007, it's hard to think of years/series where Kobe's team actually were Underdogs. Really.

[Hey Yo]

Lebron has beat 4 50+ win teams in the Playoffs for his ENTIRE career, Kobe beat 4 50+ win teams in a row in the 2001 Playoffs and went 15-1 against those teams...lol Bran

Also, Kobe had a 5-game stretch in the 2001 POs, where he averaged 39/10/5/2 on 50/42/82 shooting
Yet Kobe never could show up in the Finals against the horrible East?

Why is that?

[kshutts1]

It is a thread to show how all-time greats faced competition and what level of it and how they managed to succeed or not against it
Since there's no win/loss, but rather just a "win" column, this list does not, in fact, "show how all time greats faced competition and what level of it and how they managed to succeed or not against it".
And wow, how hard did you have to try to make that sentence so grammatically incorrect? I kept "messing up" by adding punctuation. Just instinct.

[ImKobe]

Yet Kobe never could show up in the Finals against the horrible East?

Why is that?

Had a bad game 1 in the 2001 Finals with his 7-22 shooting, next 4 games averages 27/9/6/2/1 on 44/33/84 shooting, which are superstar numbers.

2002 Finals

27/6/5/2/1 on 51/55/81 shooting and 28/7/5/2/1 on 56/67/76 shooting in the last 3 games, those are Finals MVP numbers for any player, but since Indiana had no one to throw at Shaq, he put up even better numbers than Kobe did.

2008 Finals

26/5/5/3 on 41/32/80 shooting, imo his best defensive Finals out of the 7 series, but Boston's perimeter defense was just godlike, though he did have a game, where he had 36 points and 7 rebounds on 60% shooting and a game with 30 points, 8 assists and 3 steals on 48% shooting and IIRC, almost completed a 20-point comeback in the 4th quarter on the road at Boston, but they ran out of gas when they made it a two-possession game.

2009 Finals

32/6/7 with 1.4 stls 1.4 blks on 43/36/84 shooting - you say he shot poorly in that series, but in fact he only had one game, where his shot was off in that series, and he still made the key plays to win that game in OT, had 8 assists in every game in the first 4 games, put up 40 pts 8 rebs 8 assists in only 38 minutes in Game 1, the dude was unstoppable

2010 Finals

again very underrated, people only look at his shooting in Game 7 and disregard everything else that he did in that series

29/8/4/2 on 41/32/88 shooting, his fg% is obviously so low due to that 6/24 game, he averaged 30/7/4/2 on 43/37/93 shooting in the first 6 games, which are pretty much on par with his 2009 Finals, so he in fact did show up in the 2010 NBA Finals and even when he shoot poorly in Game 7, he made the big Fts in the 4th quarter and grabbed 15 rebounds to help the Lakers win that game.
Leading scorer in a Game 7 of the Finals is not showing up? he had a higher TS% than Pau, Artest & Odom & played some of the best perimeter defense of his life on Ray Allen, Pierce & Rondo.

not showing up against the horrible east you say?

[MMM]

why 50 games???

some teams with 50-55 wins are mediocre non contenders

55 or 60 would be a better threshold for elite competition.

[MMM]

Had a bad game 1 in the 2001 Finals with his 7-22 shooting, next 4 games averages 27/9/6/2/1 on 44/33/84 shooting, which are superstar numbers.

2002 Finals

27/6/5/2/1 on 51/55/81 shooting and 28/7/5/2/1 on 56/67/76 shooting in the last 3 games

2008 Finals

26/5/5/3 on 41/32/80 shooting, imo his best defensive Finals out of the 7 series, but Boston's perimeter defense was just godlike, though he did have a game, where he had 36 points and 7 rebounds on 60% shooting and a game with 30 points, 8 assists and 3 steals on 48% shooting

2009 Finals

32/6/7 with 1.4 stls 1.4 blks on 43/36/84 shooting - you say he shot poorly in that series, but in fact he only had one game, where his shot was off in that series, and he still made the key plays to win that game in OT, had 8 assists in every game in the first 4 games, put up 40 pts 8 rebs 8 assists in only 38 minutes in Game 1, the dude was unstoppable

2010 Finals

again very underrated, people only look at his shooting in Game 7 and disregard everything else that he did in that series

29/8/4/2 on 41/32/88 shooting, his fg% is obviously so low due to that 6/24 game, he averaged 30/7/4/2 on 43/37/93 shooting in the first 6 games, which are pretty much on par with his 2009 Finals, so he in fact did show up in the 2010 NBA Finals and even when he shoot poorly in Game 7, he made the big Fts in the 4th quarter and grabbed 15 rebounds to help the Lakers win that game.
Leading scorer in a Game 7 of the Finals is not showing up? he had a higher TS% than Pau, Artest & Odom & played some of the best perimeter defense of his life on Ray Allen, Pierce & Rondo.

not showing up against the horrible east you say?

He rarely guarded them and maybe if he guarded them in 08 instead of preserving energy for offense than he would be a 6 time champion.

[funnystuff]

Lol @ directly cherry picking a stat that solely props up anyone on prime Shaqs team.


The reaching.

[ImKobe]

He rarely guarded them and maybe if he guarded them in 08 instead of preserving energy for offense than he would be a 6 time champion.

He would have won the 08 Finals regardless had we not choked on our home court & if Pau didn't choke so badly against KG. Celtics were a much better team and they prevailed in the end.

Pau: 15 & 10 in 39 mpg :facepalm
D-Fish was 3-16 from 3 in the Finals :facepalm
Ariza only got garbage time minutes
Bynum was out

Boston simply had more guns than we did.

And he did Guard Pierce & Allen in key stretches, Kobe was on PP and Ray Allen at the Final 2 possessions of Game 7 and stopped them from getting the ball.

[MMM]

He would have won the 08 Finals regardless had we not choked on our home court & if Pau didn't choke so badly against KG. Celtics were a much better team and they prevailed in the end.

Pau: 15 & 10 in 39 mpg :facepalm
D-Fish was 3-16 from 3 in the Finals :facepalm
Ariza only got garbage time minutes
Bynum was out

Boston simply had more guns than we did.

yea but why ignore that Kobe didn't guard either Pierce or Ray that series. He is supposed to be a "great perimeter defender" he had some warts in that series as well.

[ImKobe]

yea but why ignore that Kobe didn't guard either Pierce or Ray that series. He is supposed to be a "great perimeter defender" he had some warts in that series as well.

He did guard them in key stretches, maybe not as much in 08 but he definitely did in clutch situations in 2010, the 2010 Finals Game 7 is a good example, he guarded Rondo for most of the games to preserve energy for the offensive end like you said, but he was on Pierce or Allen in crunch time.

Plus, why make Kobe waste so much energy defending Pierce, when you have Ron Artest to throw at him? We needed Kobe on O more than we needed him on D, at least in 2010.

Quickly skimmed through some 08 Finals footage, and Kobe helped out on Pierce & Allen on double teams, Fisher was mainly guarding Allen, which is suspect on Phil's part to assign him on Allen..

[west_tip]

I'm not doubting the OP's credibility but Lebron's number does not seem accurate.

From memory he beat the 2007 Pistons, the 2011 Bulls and the 2012 Thunder and 2013 Spurs in the Finals. There must be more than one other 50+ win team that he beat in his NBA career.

[BigBoss]

Lebron with 4. Wow

[ImKobe]

I'm not doubting the OP's credibility but Lebron's number does not seem accurate.

From memory he beat the 2007 Pistons, the 2011 Bulls and the 2012 Thunder and 2013 Spurs in the Finals. There must be more than one other 50+ win team that he beat in his NBA career.

Thunder won 47 games only, as it was a lockout season.

[Hey Yo]

Had a bad game 1 in the 2001 Finals with his 7-22 shooting, next 4 games averages 27/9/6/2/1 on 44/33/84 shooting, which are superstar numbers.

2002 Finals

27/6/5/2/1 on 51/55/81 shooting and 28/7/5/2/1 on 56/67/76 shooting in the last 3 games, those are Finals MVP numbers for any player, but since Indiana had no one to throw at Shaq, he put up even better numbers than Kobe did.

2008 Finals

26/5/5/3 on 41/32/80 shooting, imo his best defensive Finals out of the 7 series, but Boston's perimeter defense was just godlike, though he did have a game, where he had 36 points and 7 rebounds on 60% shooting and a game with 30 points, 8 assists and 3 steals on 48% shooting and IIRC, almost completed a 20-point comeback in the 4th quarter on the road at Boston, but they ran out of gas when they made it a two-possession game.

2009 Finals

32/6/7 with 1.4 stls 1.4 blks on 43/36/84 shooting - you say he shot poorly in that series, but in fact he only had one game, where his shot was off in that series, and he still made the key plays to win that game in OT, had 8 assists in every game in the first 4 games, put up 40 pts 8 rebs 8 assists in only 38 minutes in Game 1, the dude was unstoppable

2010 Finals

again very underrated, people only look at his shooting in Game 7 and disregard everything else that he did in that series

29/8/4/2 on 41/32/88 shooting, his fg% is obviously so low due to that 6/24 game, he averaged 30/7/4/2 on 43/37/93 shooting in the first 6 games, which are pretty much on par with his 2009 Finals, so he in fact did show up in the 2010 NBA Finals and even when he shoot poorly in Game 7, he made the big Fts in the 4th quarter and grabbed 15 rebounds to help the Lakers win that game.
Leading scorer in a Game 7 of the Finals is not showing up? he had a higher TS% than Pau, Artest & Odom & played some of the best perimeter defense of his life on Ray Allen, Pierce & Rondo.

not showing up against the horrible east you say?
2000: was nothing to write home about.

2001: the same. Well below his avg.

2002 was a lot better than the 2 previous Finals.

2005: (which you didn't mention) was shut down by 2nd year starter Tayshaun
Prince and shot the Lakers out of another Finals cause he wanted his own FMVP.

2008 You bring up defense. Yet Kobe stans like yourself never give credit on defense when talking about other players. It's all about points.

2009: best series since 2001

2010: Arguably the most important game of his career (game 7) and he couldn't do what he's paid to do and that's score . Another series where he was mediocre.

Like I said you bring up rebounds, defense etc... but never take that into consideration with other players. It's total points or bust in Kobe stans eyes

[west_tip]

Thunder won 47 games only, as it was a lockout season.

To be fair to Lebron that series should be included in his total because I'm sure had the league played a full 82 game season OKC would have won the required 3 games to conform to OP's 50+ win benchmark.

Having looked it up the other series that was versus a 50+ win team was the Celtics in his first year in Miami.

[west_tip]

2000: was nothing to write home about.

2001: the same. Well below his avg.

2002 was a lot better than the 2 previous Finals.

2005: (which you didn't mention) was shut down by 2nd year starter Tayshaun
Prince and shot the Lakers out of another Finals cause he wanted his own FMVP.

2008 You bring up defense. Yet Kobe stans like yourself never give credit on defense when talking about other players. It's all about points.

2009: best series since 2001

2010: Arguably the most important game of his career (game 7) and he couldn't do what he's paid to do and that's score . Another series where he was mediocre.

Like I said you bring up rebounds, defense etc... but never take that into consideration with other players. It's total points or bust in Kobe stans eyes

2004

[ImKobe]

To be fair to Lebron that series should be included in his total because I'm sure had the league played a full 82 game season OKC would have won the required 3 games to conform to OP's 50+ win benchmark.

Having looked it up the other series that was versus a 50+ win team was the Celtics in his first year in Miami.

If there was no lockout, things would have been different, as there would have been more games, differences in Playoff seeding, injuries, you never know. We can only go by what we currently have. OKC did not win 50 games that year.

[ImKobe]

2000: was nothing to write home about.

2001: the same. Well below his avg.

2002 was a lot better than the 2 previous Finals.

2005: (which you didn't mention) was shut down by 2nd year starter Tayshaun
Prince and shot the Lakers out of another Finals cause he wanted his own FMVP.

2008 You bring up defense. Yet Kobe stans like yourself never give credit on defense when talking about other players. It's all about points.

2009: best series since 2001

2010: Arguably the most important game of his career (game 7) and he couldn't do what he's paid to do and that's score . Another series where he was mediocre.

Like I said you bring up rebounds, defense etc... but never take that into consideration with other players. It's total points or bust in Kobe stans eyes

2001 was well below his average? Are you out of your mind? 2000 he was injured, but he still came up big on the road and won it for us in OT of Game 4 with a breakout performance, otherwise I'm pretty sure we would have lost that series.

2002 was an epic series for Kobe, he and Shaq flat out dominated the Nets.

2004 was a bad year and he was locked down by the incredible defense of the Detroit Pistons, Shaq himself was not great either. Lakers had horrible chemistry and they lost Karl Malone to injury. Kobe though had the biggest shot of that series, a game-tying shot at the end of the 4th and led us to our only win in OT. He had an off series and it was just a bad year in general for Laker fans, Kobe himself would say he was garbage in that Finals.

2008 Kobe was pretty good all-around, we just didn't have the ammo to hang with Boston

2009 was the best Finals series by a perimeter player since MJ himself

2010 series was definitely not medicore, look at his stats through games 1-6 and the fact that he had a better TS% than most of our starting 5 and had 15 ****ing rebounds and sealed the game with key FTs and the pass out of the double team to Ron Artest for the biggest shot of the series.

I ALWAYS take defense & rebounding into account and Kobe was always spectacular at those two things in the NBA Finals. Kobe's one of the best rebounding guards of all-time and his on-ball defense is on par with nearly any other guard other than maybe Pippen and MJ.

[Hey Yo]

2004
Thank You for the correction.

[guy]

Makes absolutely little sense to not include teams that were on pace to win 50 games during the lockout seasons. Yes, its not 50 games, but obviously the point of this thread is to judge their competition. With that being the case, here are some series W-L vs 50+ (or on pace) win teams in the playoffs.

Magic 13-6
Bird 10-8
Jordan 20-7
Kobe 25-10 (10-5 without Shaq if you were wondering)
Lebron 7-6 or 6-6 (depends on how you look at Indiana last year who were 49-32)
Durant 4-4

Here it is vs 60+ win teams
Magic 2-4
Bird 1-2
Jordan 7-2 :eek: :applause:
Kobe 2-6
Lebron 1-2
Durant 1-0

[MMM]

Lol was a team that won 47 games or 40 really not gonna win 50 in regular season. OK I can understand the team with 40 wins but you gotta to be joking about the other team.

[T_L_P]

Anyone know how many Karl Malone faced?

[Mure]

Kobe also missed the playoffs in his prime lol.

[97 bulls]

Here it is vs 60+ win teams
Magic 2-4
Bird 1-2
Jordan 7-2***
Kobe 2-6
Lebron 1-2
Durant 1-0

WOW!!!!!!!!!