Top 45 Power Fowards of all time:

[robert_shaww]

45 Derick Coleman
44 Danny Manning
43 Josh Smith
42 LaMarcus Aldridge
41 Kevin Willis
40 Larry Nance
39 Clifford Robinson
38 David West
37 Larry Johnson
36 Anthony Mason
35 Jermaine O'Neal
34 Maurice Lucas
33 Carlos Boozer
32 Charles Oakley
31 Otis Thorpe
30 Paul Silas
29 Blake Griffin
28 Horace Grant
27 Buck Williams
26 Harry Gallatin
25 Zach Randolph
24 Tom Heinsohn
23 Clyde Lovellette
22 Connie Hawkins
21 Shawn Kemp
20 Elton Brand
19 Rasheed Wallace
18 Chris Bosh
17 Elvin Hayes
16 Dave DeBusschere
15 Chris Webber
14 Amar'e Stoudemire
13 Pau Gasol
12 Vern Mikkelsen
11 Jerry Lucas
10 James Worthy
9 Dennis Rodman
8 Dolph Schayes
7 Bob Pettit
6 Kevin McHale
5 Dirk Nowitzki
4 Kevin Garnett
3 Tim Duncan
2 Charles Barkley
1 Karl Malone

[Milbuck]

I think you've surpassed Connor B as the "stop ****ing making threads" poster of the year.

[ralph_i_el]

I think you've surpassed Connor B as the "stop ****ing making threads" poster of the year.
yes. Please stop OP

[robert_shaww]

I think you've surpassed Connor B as the "stop ****ing making threads" poster of the year.

you dont like my list?

[mr.big35]

stop making threads op

[moe94]

I think you've surpassed Connor B as the "stop ****ing making threads" poster of the year.
:roll:

[Andrei89]

Making threads STOP you OP

[oarabbus]

I think you've surpassed Connor B as the "stop ****ing making threads" poster of the year.


:oldlol:

Plot twist: OP is Connor B alt

[MrC1991]

IMO my top 5 would be Duncan, Malone, KG, Barkley, Dirk.

[Smook A.]

you dont like my list?
You make too many threads. Stupid ones.

[Yankstar]

Mailman dunk :rockon:

http://i.imgur.com/jNGVrfk.gif

[Relinquish]

http://img.addfunny.com/funnypictures/hodgepodge/15/whengodcreatedop.jpg

[Smook A.]

http://img.addfunny.com/funnypictures/hodgepodge/15/whengodcreatedop.jpg
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/yellow-lol-smiley-emoticon.gif

Where'd you find that? lol

[ABfor3]

Duncan is number one PF , therefore your list is invalid

[oarabbus]

Duncan is number one PF , therefore your list is invalid


OP delete your account, destroy your router, and set your laptop on fire for putting Karl "Ringless" Malone over TD

[ABfor3]

OP delete your account, destroy your router, and set your laptop on fire for putting Karl "Ringless" Malone over TD
Yes lawwdd:applause:

[robert_shaww]

Yes lawwdd:applause:

Why is duncan better than malone?

[Smook A.]

Why is duncan better than malone?
Because Duncan has 4 rings you retard.

What, are you gonna make a thread asking "Who's better Tim Duncan or Karl Malone?"

[robert_shaww]

Because Duncan has 4 rings you retard.

What, are you gonna make a thread asking "Who's better Tim Duncan or Karl Malone?"

horry has 7 rings.

[Smook A.]

horry has 7 rings.
So? Tim Duncan is elite. Horry was just a really clutch role player.

Elite + 4 rings >>>> Elite and 0 rings

[robert_shaww]

So? Tim Duncan is elite. Horry was just a really clutch role player.

Elite + 4 rings >>>> Elite and 0 rings

Malone faced jordan/pippen bulls in the finals twice...(best nba team ever)

duncan played vs 8 seed knicks without ewing, jason kidd nets and freaking cavs.

[Im Still Ballin]

Webber is higher.

[Beastmode88]

Malone faced jordan/pippen bulls in the finals twice...(best nba team ever)

duncan played vs 8 seed knicks without ewing, jason kidd nets and freaking cavs.

cause it's all about finals and never about playoffs? stop posting kid it's just an eyesore seeing u bash tim duncan.

[robert_shaww]

Webber is higher.

top ten?

[Smook A.]

Malone faced jordan/pippen bulls in the finals twice...(best nba team ever)

duncan played vs 8 seed knicks without ewing, jason kidd nets and freaking cavs.
The Pistons too. They were one of the toughest, scariest and best defensive team at the time.

I still think Duncan is better than Malone.

[robert_shaww]

cause it's all about finals and never about playoffs? stop posting kid it's just an eyesore seeing u bash tim duncan.

playoffs you said?

jazz in the 90

[robert_shaww]

facing the best team ever says it all...i insist. (and it was close...both times)

[robert_shaww]

The Pistons too. They were one of the toughest, scariest and best defensive team at the time.

I still think Duncan is better than Malone.

manu and horry saved duncan in that series....(hornacek and russel never saved malone)

[Beastmode88]

horry has 7 rings.

yeah rings with no other achievements.



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[T_L_P]

facing the best team ever says it all...i insist. (and it was close...both times)

Unless Karl Malone made it to the Finals every single year, and he lost to the Jordan Bulls, the "Jordan" excuse has no weight.

Duncan became the greatest Power Forward after six years. He lead his team to a title in his second season, then he carried his team to another one in '03. Sure, Karl wins on stats, but Duncan impacts the game more. Defense is part of the game too.

[cos88]

put all 45 players in a hat
random draw them
better list than OP's

[BoutPractice]

manu and horry saved duncan in that series....(hornacek and russel never saved malone)
Are you simply going to deny that John Stockton exists?

In his prime, Duncan was a player who anchored both his team's offense and defense. He had huge responsibilities, not that different from what was expected of old school centers like Wilt, Bill Walton, and Alcindor, and carried them all out about as well as a player can... In the process he led his team to 4 championships. As years went by and the San Antonio system developed (people forget that initially, in the first title years, it was all about dumping the ball to TD) he took less of the offensive load but remains the most important piece to this day.

Malone was great and did a lot of things (mainly finishing and rebounding, where he was elite), but he was never a total orchestrator of his team's offense like Duncan was, and never reached his defensive impact either.

[robert_shaww]

Unless Karl Malone made it to the Finals every single year, and he lost to the Jordan Bulls, the "Jordan" excuse has no weight.

Duncan became the greatest Power Forward after six years. He lead his team to a title in his second season, then he carried his team to another one in '03. Sure, Karl wins on stats, but Duncan impacts the game more. Defense is part of the game too.

you know that duncan will be ringles facing MJ in the finals....right?

[ArbitraryWater]

Because Duncan has 4 rings you retard.

What, are you gonna make a thread asking "Who's better Tim Duncan or Karl Malone?"


Actually that's a pretty retarded reason... can you also explain yourself outside the ring counter?

[Connor B]

:oldlol:

Plot twist: OP is Connor B alt

I would never be retarded enough to put Tim Duncan below Barkley and Malone.

[T_L_P]

you know that duncan will be ringles facing MJ in the finals....right?

Yep. And yet, Malone had like 11 possible years where he didn't need to face the Bulls.

Why couldn't he win it in '94 in '95?

[T_L_P]

Are you simply going to deny that John Stockton exists?

In his prime, Duncan was a player who anchored both his team's offense and defense. He had huge responsibilities, not that different from what was expected of old school centers like Wilt, Bill Walton, and Alcindor, and carried them all out about as well as a player can... In the process he led his team to 4 championships. As years went by and the San Antonio system developed (people forget that initially, in the first title years, it was all about dumping the ball to TD) he took less of the offensive load but remains the most important piece to this day.

Malone was great and did a lot of things (mainly finishing and rebounding, where he was elite), but he was never a total orchestrator of his team's offense like Duncan was, and never reached his defensive impact either.

Wise words :bowdown:

Popovich has only very recently become a miracle worker. He knew back in the day that he could win by putting some nice pieces around TD and letting him figure it out.

[T_L_P]

Actually that's a pretty retarded reason... can you also explain yourself outside the ring counter?

-Ability to make teammates better
-Defensive impact
-Increased production in the Playoffs (Malone's noticeably dipped)
-Easier to build around
-Better peak

The list goes on...

[robert_shaww]

Yep. And yet, Malone had like 11 possible years where he didn't need to face the Bulls.

Why couldn't he win it in '94 in '95?


Malone faced in his carrer probably the best teams in the last 30 years:

-Showtime Lakers, with Magic and Kareem
-Larry Bird Boston Celtics
- Michael Jordan-Scottie Pippen Chicago Bulls
-Bad Boy Pistons

During the 90

[robert_shaww]

Tell me something, honestly, who wins a 7 games series:

1- 1997 Jazz vs 1999 knicks
2- 1997 Jazz vs 2003 Nets
3- 1997 Jazz vs 2005 Pistons
4- 1997 Jazz vs 2007 Cavs
5- 2005 Spurs vs 1997 Bulls
6- 2005 Spurs vs 1998 Bulls

[CrazyLond]

Please explain how Tom Chambers does not make the top 45

[T_L_P]

[QUOTE=robert_shaww]Malone faced in his carrer probably the best teams in the last 30 years:

-Showtime Lakers, with Magic and Kareem
-Larry Bird Boston Celtics
- Michael Jordan-Scottie Pippen Chicago Bulls
-Bad Boy Pistons

During the 90

[T_L_P]

Tell me something, honestly, who wins a 7 games series:

1- 1997 Jazz vs 1999 knicks
2- 1997 Jazz vs 2003 Nets
3- 1997 Jazz vs 2005 Pistons
4- 1997 Jazz vs 2007 Cavs
5- 2005 Spurs vs 1997 Bulls
6- 2005 Spurs vs 1998 Bulls

Prime Duncan definitely ain't losing to the '87 Warriors though (who won 42 games). :facepalm

[robert_shaww]

Prime Duncan definitely ain't losing to the '87 Warriors though (who won 42 games). :facepalm

Duncan lost to a 8th seed team (scoring 12 pts por game)

Ancient Malone never scored 12 per game....:rolleyes:

[robert_shaww]

Prime Duncan definitely ain't losing to the '87 Warriors though (who won 42 games). :facepalm

didnt answer the 6 topics.

[T_L_P]

Duncan lost to a 8th seed team (scoring 12 pts por game)

Ancient Malone never scored 12 per game....:rolleyes:

Memphis won more games than the '87 Warriors, and Duncan was way past his prime.

Karl Malone's first round choke jobs were unbelievable. 42 win Warriors, 43 win Warriors, 46 win Rockets. :roll:

[robert_shaww]

Memphis won more games than the '87 Warriors, and Duncan was way past his prime.

Karl Malone's first round choke jobs were unbelievable. 42 win Warriors, 43 win Warriors, 46 win Rockets. :roll:

Way past his prime?

Can you tell me duncan prime, please...

[robert_shaww]

and answer me the topics...the finals results...

[T_L_P]

Way past his prime?

Can you tell me duncan prime, please...

'97-'08. '11 was by far his worst year, though his knees have been bone-on-bone for a while know (according to Pop).

[T_L_P]

and answer me the topics...the finals results...

Malone wins most of them. He probably only gets to one of the Finals though.

Malone in Duncan's era: 1 ring.

[Round Mound]

Prime Charles Barkley > Duncan and Malone. End of Discussion.

[T_L_P]

Prime Charles Barkley > Duncan and Malone. End of Discussion.

Barkley says Duncan is the GOAT PF. No debate to be had.

[robert_shaww]

Malone wins most of them. He probably only gets to one of the Finals though.

Malone in Duncan's era: 1 ring.


:facepalm

[robert_shaww]

how many rings for duncan during bulls era?

[LAZERUSS]

Jerry Lucas is very under-rated here.

Aside from Wilt, he is the only other player in NBA history to have posted more than one 20-20 season (and there are only two more players, Pettit and Thurmond, who have put up at least one.)

Those that saw him play would tell you that he was the premier long range shooter of his era, as well (just look up the term "Lucas Layup.") I have said it before, but he was Kevin Love long before Love was.

He was also a key contributer in the '73 Knicks title team, and was their starting center on their '72 team which made it to the Finals.

[robert_shaww]

Jerry Lucas is very under-rated here.

Aside from Wilt, he is the only other player in NBA history to have posted more than one 20-20 season (and there are only two more players, Pettit and Thurmond, who have put up at least one.)

Those that saw him play would tell you that he was the premier long range shooter of his era, as well (just look up the term "Lucas Layup.") I have said it before, but he was Kevin Love long before Love was.

He was also a key contributer in the '73 Knicks title team, and was their starting center on their '72 team which made it to the Finals.

he is top 10 (almost) in my list...why is he underrated?

[T_L_P]

:facepalm

I've listed the years where he couldn't get it done against mediocre teams. What makes you think he's winning 4 rings in today's era, without the help of the second greatest PG ever?

[robert_shaww]

just tell me, AGAIN, how many rings for duncan during bulls era?

[BuffaloBill]

just tell me, AGAIN, how many rings for duncan during bulls era?


Does 94' and 95' count? If so, I'd say 3.

[robert_shaww]

Does 94' and 95' count? If so, I'd say 3.

91, 92, 93, 96, 97, and 98

With 05 Spurs or 03 Spurs...

[T_L_P]

91, 92, 93, 96, 97, and 98

With 05 Spurs or 03 Spurs...

None. But again, he didn't get to the Finals and face the Bulls every year. Why couldn't he get past a 46 win Rockets in '95?

[robert_shaww]

None. But again, he didn't get to the Finals and face the Bulls every year. Why couldn't he get past a 46 win Rockets in '95?

Those 47 win rockets were the defending champs. Lol. (no 46, 47 wins...dont lie please)

Hakkem Olajuwon, Robert Horry, Mario Elie, Clyde Drexler and kenny "the jet" Smith.

Are you serious?

03 and 05 Spurs wont win against Olajuwon/Drexler....

(remember that they lost against houston in the 1sr round 3-2...and houston then won the championship....)

[T_L_P]

Those 47 win rockets were the defending champs. Lol. (no 46, 47 wins...dont lie please)

Hakkem Olajuwon, Robert Horry, Mario Elie, Clyde Drexler and kenny "the jet" Smith.

Are you serious?

03 and 05 Spurs wont win against Olajuwon/Drexler....

No, the definitely would. You clearly don't get my point. The '94 Rockets were one of the most mediocre championship teams ever, along with the '03 Spurs. The fact that Malone lost to them both years is hilarious. You know why? Because he couldn't get it done.

And he couldn't get it done in the '80s, against Warriors teams that won 42 and 43 games either.

[robert_shaww]

No, the definitely would. You clearly don't get my point. The '94 Rockets were one of the most mediocre championship teams ever, along with the '03 Spurs. The fact that Malone lost to them both years is hilarious. You know why? Because he couldn't get it done.

And he couldn't get it done in the '80s, against Warriors teams that won 42 and 43 games either.

so malone prime

[T_L_P]

[QUOTE=robert_shaww]so malone prime

[robert_shaww]

No, the definitely would. You clearly don't get my point. The '94 Rockets were one of the most mediocre championship teams ever, along with the '03 Spurs. The fact that Malone lost to them both years is hilarious. You know why? Because he couldn't get it done.

And he couldn't get it done in the '80s, against Warriors teams that won 42 and 43 games either.

in 1988 they lost 4-3 against the showtime lakers...something to say about that one?

[robert_shaww]

If you like. Then again, you give Duncan no lee way for 2011, why should I for any of Malone's failures?

Again, you haven't once addressed my point: if Jordan stopped Malone winning rings, why is it he only went to two Finals, and lost to numerous .500-550 teams? Is it because, as I've always maintained, his impact on the game doesn't match Duncan's, who was routinely going up against strong teams, without another star, and winning? Duncan beat Shaq and Kobe twice. Malone couldn't beat Hakeem Olajuwon by himself. :oldlol:

its simple, put duncan for malone in 1985 and put malone for duncan in 1997.

duncan wouldnt win against boston and lakers in the 80

[T_L_P]

[QUOTE=robert_shaww]its simple, put duncan for malone in 1985 and put malone for duncan in 1997.

duncan wouldnt win against boston and lakers in the 80

[bukowski81]

45 Derick Coleman
44 Danny Manning
43 Josh Smith
42 LaMarcus Aldridge
41 Kevin Willis
40 Larry Nance
39 Clifford Robinson
38 David West
37 Larry Johnson
36 Anthony Mason
35 Jermaine O'Neal
34 Maurice Lucas
33 Carlos Boozer
32 Charles Oakley
31 Otis Thorpe
30 Paul Silas
29 Blake Griffin
28 Horace Grant
27 Buck Williams
26 Harry Gallatin
25 Zach Randolph
24 Tom Heinsohn
23 Clyde Lovellette
22 Connie Hawkins
21 Shawn Kemp
20 Elton Brand
19 Rasheed Wallace
18 Chris Bosh
17 Elvin Hayes
16 Dave DeBusschere
15 Chris Webber
14 Amar'e Stoudemire
13 Pau Gasol
12 Vern Mikkelsen
11 Jerry Lucas
10 James Worthy
9 Dennis Rodman
8 Dolph Schayes
7 Bob Pettit
6 Kevin McHale
5 Dirk Nowitzki
4 Kevin Garnett
3 Tim Duncan
2 Charles Barkley
1 Karl Malone

Its not just that you dont have Duncan as # 1, you have some stupid stuff there, like having guys like Brand and Wallace above Kemp, or Horace Grant above LJ,. The whole list is weird

[kshutts1]

I really don't want to feed the terrible thread-starter, but if Connie Hawkins is a PF (I have him at SF, but whatever) he is WAY higher.

[Dbrog]

Stop acting like Duncan wouldn't have a chance against the Bulls, Rockets, and other teams. He ended the threepeat Lakers basically on his own with some good role players (something only Dirk, Hakeem, and Barry...probably 1 or 2 others have done). And as far as getting to the finals, come on man. Duncan woulda killed the Sonics, Suns, Jazz, and others. He woulda probably been finals more years than not in the 90s. Regardless of all these hypotheticals, at the end of the day all that matters is what you ACTUALLY did. There is literally no argument to be made for Malone if you take this into account. /thread

[pastis]

7 Bob Pettit
6 Kevin McHale
5 Dirk Nowitzki
4 Kevin Garnett
3 Tim Duncan
2 Charles Barkley
1 Karl Malone

yea i would switch dirk and kevin, but i like your end of the list in general.

duncan without popovic, parker and ginobili since 2001? top 25-30 maximum, at least no 2005, no 2007 ring, maybe no 2003 ring without stacked team. since 2005 irrelevant on offense, everything is for parker, ginobili etc. in crunch and clutch-time. easy baskets for duncan, because he stands only in front of the rim, and gets nice assists. easy rebounds as well, because sanding always near the rim.

he sets good picck and rolls, and is a nice shot-blocer, but honestly, his defense is way overrated since 2007. nice shot blocker, but overall defense in my opinion since several years way overrated, good, but not as good as duncan and spurs stans pretend.

like i wanna remove lebron at least 10.000 career points, because of only playing in joke-conference with clown-teams, so i wanna remove duncan few rings, or at least raise the credit of parker and ginobili:bowdown: :bowdown: :applause: :applause:

[robert_shaww]

So surely that makes Duncan better by default?

Malone in Malone's era: 0 rings
Duncan in Malone's era: 0 rings

Malone in Duncan's era: 2 rings
Duncan in Duncan's era: 4 rings

Duncan beat Kobe and Shaq. The**** you mean he isn't beating Hakeem?

And ****ing :oldlol: at '03. You do realize there are only 2 or 3 people who could have won with that cast, considering the dominance needed on both ends of the floor? Yeah, you definitely weren't watching basketball back then. :facepalm

Almost all of Malone's supporting casts were better than Tim's 03 one. Yet Malone got close to sniffing the title twice. The other times, eliminated by teams that were definitely beatable (again, the '94 Rockets, who had Hakeem and...Hakeem?)

How on earth does Malone put up 25/15/5 with GOAT level defense and constant defensive attention?

And the offensive answer is Malone. Then again, I'd love to see him put up 27 PPG with a sophomore Tony Parker as his Point Guard.


Duncan only faced 2 "good" PF in his playoffs carrer...

Amare Stoudemire (nearly 40 pts per game vs duncan in 05 and duncan was prime, not amare)

Rasheed Wallace (with Big Ben) in the finals. You know manu saved him BIG in several games and Horry in game 5. (Duncan was shooting reallly bad that series)

Tell me the PF of New york in 99, nets in 03 and cavs in 07.

in 08 he struggled vs a "rookie" west vs the hornets, 09 out first round (ginobili didnt play) 10 out vs amare, 11 out vs randolph, 12 out vs ibaka....

by the way...in 04...prime duncan vs ANCIENT malone....who won the series?

[Smoke117]

45 Derick Coleman
44 Danny Manning
43 Josh Smith
42 LaMarcus Aldridge
41 Kevin Willis
40 Larry Nance
39 Clifford Robinson
38 David West
37 Larry Johnson
36 Anthony Mason
35 Jermaine O'Neal
34 Maurice Lucas
33 Carlos Boozer
32 Charles Oakley
31 Otis Thorpe
30 Paul Silas
29 Blake Griffin
28 Horace Grant
27 Buck Williams
26 Harry Gallatin
25 Zach Randolph
24 Tom Heinsohn
23 Clyde Lovellette
22 Connie Hawkins
21 Shawn Kemp
20 Elton Brand
19 Rasheed Wallace
18 Chris Bosh
17 Elvin Hayes
16 Dave DeBusschere
15 Chris Webber
14 Amar'e Stoudemire
13 Pau Gasol
12 Vern Mikkelsen
11 Jerry Lucas
10 James Worthy
9 Dennis Rodman
8 Dolph Schayes
7 Bob Pettit
6 Kevin McHale
5 Dirk Nowitzki
4 Kevin Garnett
3 Tim Duncan
2 Charles Barkley
1 Karl Malone


Dolph Schayes at 8 is a ****ing joke. Larry Nance at 40 is an even bigger joke. James Worthy at 10 is pathetic. Dirk Nowitzki over Kevin Mchale is heresy. You done ****ed up son.

[T_L_P]

yea i would switch dirk and kevin, but i like your end of the list in general.

duncan without popovic, parker and ginobili since 2001? top 25-30 maximum, at least no 2005, no 2007 ring, maybe no 2003 ring without stacked team. since 2005 irrelevant on offense, everything is for parker, ginobili etc. in crunch and clutch-time. easy baskets for duncan, because he stands only in front of the rim, and gets nice assists. easy rebounds as well, because sanding always near the rim.

he sets good picck and rolls, and is a nice shot-blocer, but honestly, his defense is way overrated since 2007. nice shot blocker, but overall defense in my opinion since several years way overrated, good, but not as good as duncan and spurs stans pretend.

like i wanna remove lebron at least 10.000 career points, because of only playing in joke-conference with clown-teams, so i wanna remove duncan few rings, or at least raise the credit of parker and ginobili:bowdown: :bowdown: :applause: :applause:


2006 WCSF (vs. Mavericks): 32.3 PPG, .556 FG%

Yeah, so irrelevant.

Also, learn to articulate yourself better, robert shaww. You call Duncan's defense overrated without pointing out exactly what it is lacking.

Again, you talk about crunchtime, but when did Shaq have the ball in his hands during the last moments of the game? And the 2003 Spurs stacked? Get out of here. Go ahead and list all the championship teams without a second star. It's probably less than 5, I can tell you that.

[T_L_P]

Dolph Schayes at 8 is a ****ing joke. Larry Nance at 40 is an even bigger joke. James Worthy at 10 is pathetic. Dirk Nowitzki over Kevin Mchale is heresy. You done ****ed up son.

Hah, right? :roll:

I loved Larry Nance though.

[robert_shaww]

2006 WCSF (vs. Mavericks): 32.3 PPG, .556 FG%

Yeah, so irrelevant.

Also, learn to articulate yourself better, robert shaww. You call Duncan's defense overrated without pointing out exactly what it is lacking.

Again, you talk about crunchtime, but when did Shaq have the ball in his hands during the last moments of the game? And the 2003 Spurs stacked? Get out of here. Go ahead and list all the championship teams without a second star. It's probably less than 5, I can tell you that.

shaquille oneal is NOT top 10 player ever. can you understand that as well?

[T_L_P]

shaquille oneal is NOT top 10 player ever. can you understand that as well?

Why not?

[robert_shaww]

Why not?

not great defense, not the smartest player, no jump shot, no free throws.

in my opinion, he dissapointed me in 2000 WCF, with all the pressure, he played really bad in game 7 and Kobe and Shaw saved him


I want to tell you something:

When a player has 0 rings, there ir a certain game that shows his real personality and skills. IMO, 2000 WCF game 7 was oneal case.

I know, its just my opinion, but this doesnt apply if the player already won a chip.


by the way, no longevity, wade was the best player in 06 also.


But, finally, he is top 15 player ever, im not saying he a scrub, of course. TOP 15 is a lot.

[CrazyLond]

I guess it got lost in the shuffle but again I am wondering how Tom Chambers is not on your list?

-would be 7th or 8th on your list in career points
-4 time all star
-1 of only two power forwards in history to have a 60 pt game (Karl Malone is the other)

[T_L_P]

not great defense, not the smartest player, no jump shot, no free throws.

in my opinion, he dissapointed me in 2000 WCF, with all the pressure, he played really bad in game 7 and Kobe and Shaw saved him


I want to tell you something:

When a player has 0 rings, there ir a certain game that shows his real personality and skills. IMO, 2000 WCF game 7 was oneal case.

I know, its just my opinion, but this doesnt apply if the player already won a chip.


by the way, no longevity, wade was the best player in 06 also.


But, finally, he is top 15 player ever, im not saying he a scrub, of course. TOP 15 is a lot.

You're just listing a bunch of things to make a certain player look bad.

You know why Kobe isn't top 10? Not great defense, not the smartest player, not great in game winning situations.

In my opinion, he disappointed me in the 2006 first round, when he refused to shoot for an entire half.

See how easy it is?

Shaq won three titles as the best player, putting up some of the most dominant stats in league history. When the **** is a 300 lb 7 footer gonna do amazing things in the clutch? Is it even possible?

[robert_shaww]

I guess it got lost in the shuffle but again I am wondering how Tom Chambers is not on your list?

-would be 7th or 8th on your list in career points
-4 time all star
-1 of only two power forwards in history to have a 60 pt game (Karl Malone is the other)


Tom Chambers, nothing special for me, and 1 game means shit.

I know he was a strong shooter, and those flying dunks.....but he didnt play defense, average 17pts per game, and just 5,9 rebounds (really bad stat for his position)


No rings also....he is top 50 probably.

[RightToCensor]

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[Smook A.]

Tom Chambers, nothing special for me, and 1 game means shit.

I know he was a strong shooter, and those flying dunks.....but he didnt play defense, average 17pts per game, and just 5,9 rebounds (really bad stat for his position)


No rings also....he is top 50 probably.
You have JOSH SMITH over Tom Chambers. You're on drugs

[robert_shaww]

You're just listing a bunch of things to make a certain player look bad.

You know why Kobe isn't top 10? Not great defense, not the smartest player, not great in game winning situations.

In my opinion, he disappointed me in the 2006 first round, when he refused to shoot for an entire half.

See how easy it is?

Shaq won three titles as the best player, putting up some of the most dominant stats in league history. When the **** is a 300 lb 7 footer gonna do amazing things in the clutch? Is it even possible?


Cant believe you said that Kobe was not great in winning situations.

[Smook A.]

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I support gays and all but that Michael Sam kiss was awkward as f**k

[T_L_P]

Cant believe you said that Kobe was not great in winning situations.

7/28 in game winning shots in the Playoffs, I think.

That's pretty much an irrefutable stat.

[robert_shaww]

7/28 in game winning shots in the Playoffs, I think.

That's pretty much an irrefutable stat.

Do you have duncan winning shots in the playoffs? lol

cluth is the last 2min..(aprox) not the last shot.

[T_L_P]

Do you have duncan winning shots in the playoffs? lol

cluth is the last 2min..(aprox) not the last shot.

It's shots to tie or take the lead with 1 minute or less to go. Not just the last shot.

Duncan is 4-16. Him and Kobe have the same percentage in those situations.

Difference is Kobe has the clutch reputation and Duncan also provides clutch defense.

[robert_shaww]

It's shots to tie or take the lead with 1 minute or less to go. Not just the last shot.

Duncan is 4-16. Him and Kobe have the same percentage in those situations.

Difference is Kobe has the clutch reputation and Duncan also provides clutch defense.

do you remember the last 7min of game 5, 2003 WCSF?

[T_L_P]

In the last 2 minutes of the 4th quarter or OT:

Kobe: 17-50

Duncan: 10-26

[T_L_P]

do you remember the last 7min of game 5, 2003 WCSF?

Love how you changed the subject there buddy :applause:

do you remember the 3 airballs?

[robert_shaww]

In the last 2 minutes of the 4th quarter or OT:

Kobe: 17-50

Duncan: 10-26

playoffs only?

you should count regular season games also.

by the way, evidence?

[robert_shaww]

Love how you changed the subject there buddy :applause:

do you remember the 3 airballs?

that 4th quarter of that game, is all i need.

you know what im talking about.....

[T_L_P]

playoffs only?

you should count regular season games also.

by the way, evidence?

Playoffs mean everything. Regular season is for chumps. Probably why Kobe's production is better in the reg whereas Duncan's increases come Playoff time :applause:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bryanko01&match=play&year_id=&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=2&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&is_tying=Y&is_go_ahead=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg


http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=duncati01&match=play&year_id=&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=2&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&is_tying=Y&is_go_ahead=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

[robert_shaww]

tell me something (if you dont mind)

rank the top 5 players in the 00

[T_L_P]

[QUOTE=robert_shaww]tell me something (if you dont mind)

rank the top 5 players in the 00

[robert_shaww]

Solely '00s, as in '00-'09?

1. Duncan
2. Kobe
3. Shaq
4. Garnett
5. Wade or Dirk

At the end of the day you have Kobe at 2, and ahead of Shaq....im kind of surprised....you catch me unaware....


well...you think Duncan is better than Kobe..fine...what can i say...