Washington Redskins Name Change

[eliteballer]

What side of this issue do you stand on? For me, it's clearly an offensive name and a relic of a bygone era which should be changed.

[mr.big35]

why dont we have a teams called new york black skins
minnesota white skins
san francisco yellow skins

[bballnoob1192]

why dont we have a teams called new york black skins
minnesota white skins
san francisco yellow skins

you mean the san fran rainbow skin

[DeuceWallaces]

It's really offensive but we nearly killed all the native Americans so no one really cares.

[Akrazotile]

Actually Deuce Wallaces is our resident expert on the Racism Sensitivity Scale. Perhaps he can explain it better.

It's a lot of like the "Terror Threat Level" scale that they started during the Bush administration. Both are color-coded in their respective ways, both are silly and arbitrary, and both are used as tools of leverage when one begins struggling to tread water in a particular argument.


Take it away, deuces...

[miller-time]

Is/was the term used as a racist insult, or was it just a term for a particular group of people? If it was racist, is it still used in a racist way today or has it just become a reference to a group of people (like Celtics or Vikings).

[reppy]

If You Own The Washington Redskins, You're A C*** (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uUiCL3QzpU)

Good song. :banana:

[Done_And_Done]

Bottom line - the aboriginal community is hands down, one of the most oppressed populations in all of society. These team names were originally conferred as a show of honor but years have passed and they're now viewed as being discriminative. If a consensus of the First Nations people view the name as being discriminatory, then it should be altered. Plain and simple...

[DeuceWallaces]

Lol first of all that dude was white. Secondly, if someone's nickname was ****** it doesn't justify a franchise keeping the name 100 years later.

[ROCSteady]

STFU you media trend hopping hoes

[Patrick Chewing]

Political correctness offends me

[MavsSuperFan]

It's really offensive but we nearly killed all the native Americans so no one really cares.
Basically this.

Redskins was the slur american settlers/soldiers used to refer to native americans that they killed/raped. It is as bad a slur as there is, but the native american population was so thoroughly ethnically cleansed that there just aren't enough of them around anymore to make a big deal about it.

Eg. imagine an alternate universe where whites committed genocide on african americans to such an extent (i realize that various components slavery could be argued was genocide, eg tight packing the ships across the atlantic) that they were less than 1% of the population. Would the n-word be any less wrong, just because there would be too few black people to make a fuss about it?

[Akrazotile]

Redskins was the slur american settlers/soldiers used to refer to native americans that they killed/raped. It is as bad a slur as there is,



Would the n-word be any less wrong, just because there would be too few black people to make a fuss about it?


:rolleyes:

This ****in guy is insufferable. The most annoying politically correct melodramatic poser pretend moralist hypocrite this side of rmwg. Can't even keep up with his own corny PCness. Give it a rest already bro. Jeezis christ.

[ROCSteady]

Basically this.

Redskins was the slur american settlers/soldiers used to refer to native americans that they killed/raped. It is as bad a slur as there is, but the native american population was so thoroughly ethnically cleansed that there just aren't enough of them around anymore to make a big deal about it.

Eg. imagine an alternate universe where whites committed genocide on african americans to such an extent (i realize that various components slavery could be argued was genocide, eg tight packing the ships across the atlantic) that they were less than 1% of the population. Would the n-word be any less wrong, just because there would be too few black people to make a fuss about it?

U act like u are dropping knowledge but you are obviously just a wannabe progressive. Just stop.

[Akrazotile]

U act like u are dropping knowledge but you are obviously just a wannabe progressive. Just stop.


Bro. You just aren't imaging the parallel universes like you need to in order to really get it. Step up 2 his level bro.

[ROCSteady]

Dude's posts just overall make me cringe due to like you said and because he is an obvious try hard.

He prolly took some racial sensitivity courses in college or some social equality 200 course and now values that philosophy of idealism over the practicality and power of realism and business practices that do not disrupt the contemporary construct of capitalism.

In turn, he posts about shit the media highlights for him and thinks he's a compassionate forward thinker despite not thinking through the issue fully becuz ppl like him don't really actually care.

The extent of their care and outrage exists within article comments and message boards

[MMM]

I don't really care one way or another but why do people get offended that a name change might happen because of other people getting offended???

[andremiller07]

There is much bigger problems within there own community that if they cared they wouldn't have have the time to think about this and put any energy into.

The NZ rugby team is called the All Blacks and the Soccer team is called the All Whites cause of the colour of the uniform (funnily enough most the soccer players are white and rugby players are polynesian) it does not mean anything nor is it offensive.

[DeuceWallaces]

There is much bigger problems within there own community that if they cared they wouldn't have have the time to think about this and put any energy into.

The NZ rugby team is called the All Blacks and the Soccer team is called the All Whites cause of the colour of the uniform (funnily enough most the soccer players are white and rugby players are polynesian) it does not mean anything nor is it offensive.

Hey you ****ing moron! The Redskins are not called that because the color of their uniforms.

[Done_And_Done]

lol /\

[iBandwagon]

What side of this issue do you stand on? For me, it's clearly an offensive name and a relic of a bygone era which should be changed.

I am in full agreement.

[ROCSteady]

Well at least you live up to your username

[Dresta]

This seems like the sort of the thing only an idiot would care about/ get offended by, but then people get offended by the slightest things these days. What we really need is a catastrophic war: this will stop people focusing on petty, inconsequential and pointless things like Football team names, because people will actually get some real life perspective foisted onto their coddled and spoilt existence.

[QuebecBaller]

I hope the Cleveland Indians will change to:

the Cleveland Amerindians

or

the Cleveland Native Americans

[COnDEMnED]

why dont we have a teams called new york black skins
minnesota white skins
san francisco yellow skins
Since most people are politically correct ******* these days, the Minnesota white skins would probably be the most offensive team name on that list to the liberals....if you said that and you're white.

[reppy]

This seems like the sort of the thing only an idiot would care about/ get offended by, but then people get offended by the slightest things these days. What we really need is a catastrophic war: this will stop people focusing on petty, inconsequential and pointless things like Football team names, because people will actually get some real life perspective foisted onto their coddled and spoilt existence.

Good point, it's not as bad as genocide, so no one should care.

[tomtucker]

a great name, never change it :rockon:

[GimmeThat]

Here's a funny question

If say, the Redskins go and win a couple superbowls.

will people still find that name offensive?

Or is it because they have also been down right terrible, so people think that maybe a change in name would help shape up the organization differently.

The organization needs change, and if changing the name helps people to view them differently, or even how they view themselves differently. Then do it.

[DeuceWallaces]

Uh, it's because redskin is a racial epithet; not because they suck.

[KingBeasley08]

This whole issue was started by white liberal pansies. Native Americans in any poll taken don't give a fck

[Akrazotile]

Uh, it's because redskin is a racial epithet; not because they suck.


I think its funny how this dude and mavssuperfan claim redskin is a horrible word, while typing it out in full with insouciance but follow the convention theyre conditioned to follow in referring to n1gger as "the n word".


If the phony moral crowd says redskin is horrible, mavs and deuce say its horrible. If the crowd still uses the word itself anyway, mavs and deuce is it anyway. If the crowd types "n word" instead because the word is horrible, they do it instead. These dudes are literally just being herded in whichever way their chosen cultural shepherd guides them, and yet...


The whole time acting like theyre some kinda advanced, free thinkers who have taken a bood step ahead of the masses in the direction of righteousness. These two idiots couldnt possibly be any more phony. Everything they do is an act. These ****ing dudes are puttin on Death of a ****in Salesman in here. Rehearsed lines and everything. Im literally cringing IRL. Literally, I am. I'm straight cringing. Its awful.

[longtime lurker]

Let's see racist name started by a racist owner. The NFL wants to punish players for on field language but they fight to keep this red skin name.... what a joke.

[ROCSteady]

Beasley knows the agenda well. Basically perpetuated by a now trendy form of white guilt, trying to convince gullible people to feel emotional about this.

http://payload92.cargocollective.com/1/4/156498/4142343/Redskins_flag.jpeg


Beautiful colors. Iconic name. Lol at you chumps who fall for the media's clutches so easily

[DeuceWallaces]

I think its funny how this dude and mavssuperfan claim redskin is a horrible word, while typing it out in full with insouciance but follow the convention theyre conditioned to follow in referring to n1gger as "the n word".


If the phony moral crowd says redskin is horrible, mavs and deuce say its horrible. If the crowd still uses the word itself anyway, mavs and deuce is it anyway. If the crowd types "n word" instead because the word is horrible, they do it instead. These dudes are literally just being herded in whichever way their chosen cultural shepherd guides them, and yet...


The whole time acting like theyre some kinda advanced, free thinkers who have taken a bood step ahead of the masses in the direction of righteousness. These two idiots couldnt possibly be any more phony. Everything they do is an act. These ****ing dudes are puttin on Death of a ****in Salesman in here. Rehearsed lines and everything. Im literally cringing IRL. Literally, I am. I'm straight cringing. Its awful.

Your forced attempts at conservative talking points and any semblance of wit or intelligence is what's cringe-worthy.

I don't use either word but if I do in conversation I won't censor it. Maybe if I was at a restaurant or something talking about it I would refrain from saying ****** and having it heard out of context. I also don't really fault media commentators from using a euphemism for ****** when discussing or writing about racism. There are clearly degrees of epithets whereas you could say chinaman or oreo in a conversation or article but censor yourself if you're gonna drop a *****-****-******.

[ROCSteady]

Uh, it's because redskin is a racial epithet; not because they suck.

No, in 2014 terms Redskins means an NFL franchise that plays around Washington D.C. It means a term that is among one of the 4 NFC East teams.


The racial slur is like 50 years archaic and never even used anymore. Besides, who chooses to name their business/company/organization something they feel to be inferior?

[DeuceWallaces]

No, in 2014 terms Redskins means an NFL franchise that plays around Washington D.C. It means a term that is among one of the 4 NFC East teams.


The racial slur is like 50 years archaic and never even used anymore. Besides, who chooses to name their business/company/organization something they feel to be inferior?

Lol are you thick? Their founder was a huge racist.

[dude77]

akr and beasley are on point .. more white guilt nonsense .. and yes, it's funny how people have no problem spelling it out or saying it.. 'redskins' .. because you've been conditioned to see it as a 'harmless' word whereas niigger has been ingrained in your little pea brains as some devil word .. let them work on 'redskins' enough and the good little pea brained followers will soon be saying 'the r word' :oldlol:

[ROCSteady]

Lol are you thick? Their founder was a huge racist.

Lol at condemning the current franchise for what an old owner who died in the late '60s thought.

The guy was born in the 1800's. Hasn't been the owner for half a century yet u wanna project that onto the current state of a team who rakes in some of the most revenue and expect them to change their branding voluntarily.

Lol are you thick?

[DeuceWallaces]

Lol at condemning the current franchise for what an old owner who died in the late '60s thought.

The guy was born in the 1800's. Hasn't been the owner for half a century yet u wanna project that onto the current state of a team who rakes in some of the most revenue and expect them to change their branding voluntarily.

Lol are you thick?

Hey moron, you said why would you name them after something you feel to be inferior. I pointed out that the guy who named them was a huge racist.

Follow the conversation or shut the **** up.

[Cactus-Sack]

Middle-class white people getting offended on behalf of minorities. Me think the fgts doth protest too much........

[KingBeasley08]

Worst part is that there are plenty of problems faced by the Native American community. They really got fcked by Americans in the past

But instead of enacting real change, the "help" is changing the name of a football team :facepalm

Again, most Native American people don't give two fcks about this controversy. It's only white people

[ROCSteady]

Middle-class white people getting offended on behalf of minorities. Me think the fgts doth protest too much........

:applause:

This is exactly what's happening. White ppl who think they have a little education so they are moral progressives trying to convince a group of perpetually marginalized people (most of which aren't offended) that their most pressing need is to storm Capitol Hill about a nickname from 1932.

So many things overlooked and not realistically considered it's funny to me. Trend hoppers. Bandwagon moralists.

[eliteballer]

:applause:

This is exactly what's happening. White ppl who think they have a little education so they are moral progressives trying to convince a group of perpetually marginalized people (most of which aren't offended) that their most pressing need is to storm Capitol Hill about a nickname from 1937.

So many things overlooked and not realistically considered it's funny to me. Trend hoppers. Bandwagon moralists.

Stop your ridiculous blather. Using philosophy 101 terminology to make it seem as if your ridiculous points have any legitimacy.

No ones saying Native Americans should make it the central point of their social discourse. It's about society as WHOLE saying this name is wrong, offensive, and archaic which denigrates a minority that doesn't have the platform to really fight against it.

If a team was named yellowskins, charlie chans, brownskins, jungle boys, darkskins, or whatever 100 years ago for whatever reason and still retained that name it doesn't change the fact that it is offensive TODAY.

You're talking about a name from an era filled with caricatures and racist media depictions of said minority. No ones saying this issue has priority over world hunger, ukraine, north korea, gender equality, sexual orientation, inflation or anything else, but it does not have a place in todays society. Your outrage over people pointing out it's obsolescence shows that your the one who has no concept of what people should prioritize when it comes to social issues.

[ROCSteady]

They do if u actually had an idea of how many many people's impressionable minds work in terms of media narratives.

Society as a whole isn't actually saying shit, this is one arm of 'society's whole' that is ramming this shallow outrage down the public's throat in correlation to how impactful this issue actually is. We still live (however loosely is up to you) in a democratic society and the actual group in question has shown in polls to not take offense or issue with the name within the majority. Whether or not the mob mentality eventually sways that consensus in favor of a change is for another day.

I'm not outraged at people's responses these days, the fake agents of change and progress. More like annoyed considering outrage usually stems from something coming outnof nowhere or being a surprise What have all these ppl who write comments and posts over being upset at the Skins name actually done to further the cause of the forgotten and aid Native Americans?


Oh yea that's right. Nothing.

All the ESPN liberal (more of a libertarian myself) schmucks that feign how offended they are, stirring up a petty movement.

I'm willing to bet 95% ^ have done nothing to help any of the people they are trying to be convince to be offended over a football team's name.

Lastly, you wanna talk bout my priorities and what idealistically belongs in society, that's fine. I've had my altruistic ideals before too. Doesn't change the fact that the free market capitalism and the almighty dollar trumps all and nobody in power wants their pockets lessened even a little bit, that's just reality. The NFL doesn't want a name change either.

Sry for the reality. Capitalism and remnants of a perceived democratic majority will always reign supreme in this nation over moral idealism.

[Akrazotile]

No ones saying Native Americans should make it the central point of their social discourse. It's about society as WHOLE saying this name is wrong, offensive, and archaic which denigrates a minority that doesn't have the platform to really fight against it.

If a team was named yellowskins, charlie chans, brownskins, jungle boys, darkskins, or whatever 100 years ago for whatever reason and still retained that name it doesn't change the fact that it is offensive TODAY.




Why does everyone in society have to say the same thing, namely, what you want them to say?

Why cant society as a whole use some common sense and say "this name has no negative connotations TODAY and there are probably a lot more people who would be inconvenienced by a name change than vice versa? Can society as a whole stop trying to inflate the importance of this issue so all the "Im so special" liberals who dont volunteer, dont give to charity, and dont do anything significant can delude themselves into thinking theyre society's "difference makers"?

[MadeFromDust]

Just keep it the same don't bow down to PC biichmades :rolleyes:

[longtime lurker]

They do if u actually had an idea of how many many people's impressionable minds work in terms of media narratives.

Society as a whole isn't actually saying shit, this is one arm of 'society's whole' that is ramming this shallow outrage down the public's throat in correlation to how impactful this issue actually is. We still live (however loosely is up to you) in a democratic society and the actual group in question has shown in polls to not take offense or issue with the name within the majority. Whether or not the mob mentality eventually sways that consensus in favor of a change is for another day.

I'm not outraged at people's responses these days, the fake agents of change and progress. More like annoyed considering outrage usually stems from something coming outnof nowhere or being a surprise What have all these ppl who write comments and posts over being upset at the Skins name actually done to further the cause of the forgotten and aid Native Americans?


Oh yea that's right. Nothing.

All the ESPN liberal (more of a libertarian myself) schmucks that feign how offended they are, stirring up a petty movement.

I'm willing to bet 95% ^ have done nothing to help any of the people they are trying to be convince to be offended over a football team's name.

Lastly, you wanna talk bout my priorities and what idealistically belongs in society, that's fine. I've had my altruistic ideals before too. Doesn't change the fact that the free market capitalism and the almighty dollar trumps all and nobody in power wants their pockets lessened even a little bit, that's just reality. The NFL doesn't want a name change either.

Sry for the reality. Capitalism and remnants of a perceived democratic majority will always reign supreme in this nation over moral idealism.

You can't say that you've progressed in as a society and then condone racist names for a major american sports team. The term is offensive and outdated. The Wizards changed their name from the Bullets sports teams change names all the time, the Redskins will survive. There are native american groups that want the name changed so spare me your BS that all native americans like the name. It's completely insulting and patronizing.

[Akrazotile]

There are native american groups that want the name changed so spare me your BS that all native americans like the name. It's completely insulting and patronizing.


There are PETA groups that don't want teams to serve meat at games. Should they acquiesce?

If native american groups don't want the name in place, they can take it up with the owner who has the right to do as he sees fit. If they can convince him to change, great. Or they can make an appeal to the fans who support the team and see if they're on board with the effort. If that works, great.

Outside of those parties, who GAF?? This is not a separate water fountains issue. Why are you and others making it your job to step in and be offended for other people?? Why not just mind yo bidniss? It's really a pretty trivial issue.

[longtime lurker]

There are PETA groups that don't want teams to serve meat at games. Should they acquiesce?

If native american groups don't want the name in place, they can take it up with the owner who has the right to do as he sees fit. If they can convince him to change, great. Or they can make an appeal to the fans who support the team and see if they're on board with the effort. If that works, great.

Outside of those parties, who GAF?? This is not a separate water fountains issue. Why are you and others making it your job to step in and be offended for other people?? Why not just mind yo bidniss? It's really a pretty trivial issue.

Wow I never knew you are the authority on what issues people want to talk about. And here I thought you were just a jobless lowlife that spends all his time posting on ISH. Guess what if you don't care about the issue then feel free to GTFO of the thread. Grown folks are talking and you have offered zero to the conversation.

[Jailblazers7]

Don't care. It's a little too late to act like we are concerned about the feelings of native americans. At least the name keeps that part of American history somewhat relevant culturally instead of totally brushing it under the rug.

[ROCSteady]

You can't say that you've progressed in as a society and then condone racist names for a major american sports team. The term is offensive and outdated. The Wizards changed their name from the Bullets sports teams change names all the time, the Redskins will survive. There are native american groups that want the name changed so spare me your BS that all native americans like the name. It's completely insulting and patronizing.


That term isn't even in usage anymore lol. When someone even uses the word, 'redskin' they are 90% of the time talking bout a football team, not a native.

I could get the argument a lot more if this term has remained an issue but you never hear it unless u watch John Wayne movies and Peter Pan from 1953.

To me, the racism of the term isn't even a societal issue so to do something like force a billion dollar, 82 year old company to alter a name that has sentimentality and prideful meaning to many is impractical and petty.

As far as my bullshit, why don't you actually know what you are talking about?

Until the majority of Natives come out and want this to be a Supreme Court issue (always gets rejected), then why are people so stuck on this lately?

Like I said, I would have much more respect for ppl who feel against the name completely independent of a vapid media movement who have slots to fill on their programming reiterating the same pointless drivel.

The name won't change until Daniel Snyder dies or is assassinated or Supreme Court forces the change which will take a long ass time

[Akrazotile]

Wow I never knew you are the authority on what issues people want to talk about. And here I thought you were just a jobless lowlife that spends all his time posting on ISH. Guess what if you don't care about the issue then feel free to GTFO of the thread. Grown folks are talking and you have offered zero to the conversation.


:roll: :facepalm


You just went full corny

[secund2nun]

Change the name and abolish Columbus day as he was a racist mass murderer.

[RedBlackAttack]

That term isn't even in usage anymore lol. When someone even uses the word, 'redskin' they are 90% of the time talking bout a football team, not a native.

I could get the argument a lot more if this term has remained an issue but you never hear it unless u watch John Wayne movies and Peter Pan from 1953.

To me, the racism of the term isn't even a societal issue so to do something like force a billion dollar, 82 year old company to alter a name that has sentimentality and prideful meaning to many is impractical and petty.

As far as my bullshit, why don't you actually know what you are talking about?

Until the majority of Natives come out and want this to be a Supreme Court issue (always gets rejected), then why are people so stuck on this lately?

Like I said, I would have much more respect for ppl who feel against the name completely independent of a vapid media movement who have slots to fill on their programming reiterating the same pointless drivel.

The name won't change until Daniel Snyder dies or is assassinated or Supreme Court forces the change which will take a long ass time
I get where you're coming from. Cleveland has a similar issue ongoing with "Chief Wahoo," which was actually removed as the Indians' primary logo.

I've actually never been a fan of the rendering. It's a little too cartoonish and I can understand why it would be interpreted as reinforcing racial stereotypes.

The Redskins are in a different situation, though, because you're dealing with the actual name of a storied franchise, not just the logo.

There is definitely fake outrage in both of our situations, but I think we both know that -- eventually -- that Redskins name will be changed. It seems like more of a matter of 'when' than 'if.'

[ROCSteady]

Yea I hear u. I'm guessing about 20 years it will be altered

[longtime lurker]

That term isn't even in usage anymore lol. When someone even uses the word, 'redskin' they are 90% of the time talking bout a football team, not a native.

I could get the argument a lot more if this term has remained an issue but you never hear it unless u watch John Wayne movies and Peter Pan from 1953.

To me, the racism of the term isn't even a societal issue so to do something like force a billion dollar, 82 year old company to alter a name that has sentimentality and prideful meaning to many is impractical and petty.

As far as my bullshit, why don't you actually know what you are talking about?

Until the majority of Natives come out and want this to be a Supreme Court issue (always gets rejected), then why are people so stuck on this lately?

Like I said, I would have much more respect for ppl who feel against the name completely independent of a vapid media movement who have slots to fill on their programming reiterating the same pointless drivel.

The name won't change until Daniel Snyder dies or is assassinated or Supreme Court forces the change which will take a long ass time

And why should it matter if the term isn't in usage? Neither are the terms darkie, slant eyes or many other racial epithets. It's still a racist name and keeping the name only serves to maintain the legacy of a notoriously racist owner. And there have been many native groups that want the name changed, you don't need to have a majority for it to be a problem. And I'm not saying that Snyder should be forced to change the name and it shouldn't even have to go to courts, but keeping it only reinforces that native americans aren't seen as equally as anyone else. And it's pretty dismissive to say that people are controlled by the media. I'm sure there have been people that have had a problem with the name for years, it's just now more people have access to information and a platform to voice their opinions while that wasn't the case 20 years ago.

[Akrazotile]

And why should it matter if the term isn't in usage? Neither are the terms darkie, slant eyes or many other racial epithets. It's still a racist name and keeping the name only serves to maintain the legacy of a notoriously racist owner.


So why did you use it in the title? :facepalm :hammerhead:

[DeuceWallaces]

It's not in use because there are no natives anywhere. Not in real life, not in TV or movies, music, culture, nowhere. Doesn't make it any less offensive to the few that are still around.

[reppy]

So why did you use it in the title? :facepalm :hammerhead:

Because we're grown ups and when grown ups have a discussion that sometimes means unpleasant words are spoken.

[DeuceWallaces]

Worst part is that there are plenty of problems faced by the Native American community. They really got fcked by Americans in the past

But instead of enacting real change, the "help" is changing the name of a football team :facepalm

Again, most Native American people don't give two fcks about this controversy. It's only white people

Pretty much any and every native american organization, tribe, scholars, and leaders have made multiple official complaints. Just because you and your d-bag buddies from the beltway don't care doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.

It doesn't even affect me, but to claim the name isn't racist or offensive to natives is ****ing retarded. Doesn't have to be white guilt or whatever term you idiots want to apply; it's just common sense that you shouldn't have a team with a pejorative name or mascot.

[Akrazotile]

Pretty much any and every native american organization, tribe, scholars, and leaders have made multiple official complaints. Just because you and your d-bag buddies from the beltway don't care doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.

It doesn't even affect me, but to claim the name isn't racist or offensive to natives is ****ing retarded. Doesn't have to be white guilt or whatever term you idiots want to apply; it's just common sense that you shouldn't have a team with a pejorative name or mascot.


Using language like this and then condemning someone else for their use of a pejorative?


God youre on fire.

[DeuceWallaces]

Using language like this and then condemning someone else for their use of a pejorative?


God youre on fire.

Totally the same thing :oldlol: .

You need a better troll angle to take than harping on this, because it's not working.

[Akrazotile]

Totally the same thing :oldlol: .

You need a better troll angle to take than harping on this, because it's not working.


I just want the hypocrisy to end, man.

When will it end??

[DeuceWallaces]

Well the word retarded is appropriate in that scenario so you should at least pick and choose your retarded counterpoints.

[Raymone]

I love watching white-guilt-stricken people so eager to take their cues for what social issue they should be outraged over.

I must've missed all of Deuce's posts on Sterling though. Damn it.

[Akrazotile]

Well the word retarded is appropriate in that scenario so you should at least pick and choose your retarded counterpoints.


Right.

And the name 'Redskins' is simply figurative for a team that gets sun burn easily.


So I guess its all good. You keep using retarded and they'll keep using Redskins. It's settled.

[DeuceWallaces]

Retarded implies that you are slow to grasp a concept or particular point and possess the intellectual capacity of someone who is mentally disabled. Its intent is to be pejorative and demeaning, because you're a ****ing moron.

And my Sterling posts are in the NBA forum so you can go look those up if you'd like.

[ROCSteady]

I'm gunna start a team called the Ferngully F aggots and have Deuce Wallaces profile as the mascot. Try to deflect some heat from that football americano team near D.C. that must not be named.

[Akrazotile]

Retarded implies that you are slow to grasp a concept or particular point and possess the intellectual capacity of someone who is mentally disabled. Its intent is to be pejorative and demeaning, because you're a ****ing moron.

And my Sterling posts are in the NBA forum so you can go look those up if you'd like.


:biggums:

[DeuceWallaces]

I'm gunna start a team called the Ferngully F aggots and have Deuce Wallaces profile as the mascot. Try to deflect some heat from that football americano team near D.C. that must not be named.

It's amazing how ignorant and wound up you two homers are over your shitty football team.

[ROCSteady]

Ease up Sally baby, that comment was just for my own personal amusement. Not pure unadulterated vitriol or nuffin.

Got you a peace offering present.

http://saharnaderi.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/cliffengle1.jpg

We can hit the peace pipe in my wigwam too if u desire. Gots any peyote?

[DeuceWallaces]

Not really concerned with your worn out jokes. At least come up with something original. Been hearing the fern gully for a solid 5-10 years. Although, I guess you added the ******. So you've got that going for you.

[KingBeasley08]

Real talk I'd like to see some real help given to the Native American community. Some people just love a nice, moral victory tho :oldlol:

[Done_And_Done]

Real talk I'd like to see some real help given to the Native American community. Some people just love a nice, moral victory tho :oldlol:

I agree that there are other pressing needs that require immediate attention but such moral victories also promotes social awareness and with little effort at that. The name has to go...

[DeuceWallaces]

Real talk I'd like to see some real help given to the Native American community. Some people just love a nice, moral victory tho :oldlol:

:oldlol: You want to help them but it's cool to insult them because it's your team.

[Akrazotile]

:oldlol: You want to help them but it's cool to insult them because it's your team.

You basically just described what happens in every family anywhere.

[ROCSteady]

Not really concerned with your worn out jokes. At least come up with something original. Been hearing the fern gully for a solid 5-10 years. Although, I guess you added the ******. So you've got that going for you.

I dunno bro, the alliteration while also using a discriminative slur that vaguely parallels the OT and your place of employment should net me at least like +5.





Anyways if any one of u wanna actually show your 'concern' of the tribes around America instead of surface seething over a name with proud tradition and a rich history, you can always donate to the Original Americans Foundation helping domestic tribes and reservations. The foundation was started by Daniel Snyder.

[DeuceWallaces]

I dunno bro, the alliteration while also using a discriminative slur that vaguely parallels the OT and your place of employment should net me at least like +5.





Anyways if any one of u wanna actually show your 'concern' of the tribes around America instead of surface seething over a name with proud tradition and a rich history, you can always donate to the Original Americans Foundation helping domestic tribes and reservations. The foundation was started by Daniel Snyder.

That's where you're wrong. You don't have to justify disagreement with the name by picketing, writing letters, and donating to native causes.

The thread simply asked where you stand. It's clearly an insulting term and most people in this thread recognized that. Protests and donations aren't necessary to justify my common sense stance.

It's common sense and basic cultural knowledge vs. two DC homers and an idiot fake-conservative internet troll.

You be the judge.

[KeylessEntry]

It's common sense and basic cultural knowledge vs. two DC homers and an idiot fake-conservative internet troll.

You be the judge.


http://www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/i1d5I.jpg

[ROCSteady]

The funny thing is you called our position ignorant when most of y'all aren't even taking the issue in a full circle with all things considered into making such a move. It's basically all emotional and moral reaction with nothing of the business nor constitutional side.

[DeuceWallaces]

The funny thing is you called our position ignorant when most of y'all aren't even taking the issue in a full circle with all things considered into making such a move. It's basically all emotional and moral reaction with nothing of the business nor constitutional side.

Please elaborate master of business.

What were the business and constitutional ramifications of the Bullets to Wizards? How about Bobcats to Hornets?

[ROCSteady]

You got heads clamoring just above, "Da name gots ta go!"

Sounds like most want a forceful change when Snyder is just not going to change it for business reasons (well known branding that generates more revenue than every team in the NFL minus NE and DAL), sentimental reasons (been a lifelong fan with family) and the constitutional and legal battle that has and will endure with very little progress made in session as precedent.

It's dude's team. Like him or lump him he's very staunch on the matter for a tapestry of factors that some political pressure and fan outrage really won't sway him and ESPECIALLY not when the name is flying off shelves, seating 92,000 and continuing to pile up hundreds of millions of dollars a year. It pretty much has to be changed in federal court and who knows how long that will take, even if it is inevitable.

People should just stop bitching until some meaningful court battles are being won by these plaintiffs.

Hail to the Redskins HTTR

[DeuceWallaces]

Lol, how big is your Redskins dildo?

[ROCSteady]

That's my squad son. Loved the name and colors since I was a tyke. You asked for my assertion so I'm telling u my thoughts knowing what I know.

My butthole is very tight, word to Workaholics.

[DeuceWallaces]

You have the worst arguments.

Name changes usually generate more money as everyone replaces their old merchandise.

Why do you think players change their number?

Please tell me that you're 17 because you just sound like a ****ing homer-moron.

[ROCSteady]

I've said what I want to and I'll leave it at that. The matter is rich and there's so many facets to just doing what some of you dorks want so I'ma vacate thread.

DW prolly has filled his quota for typing moron tonight without saying much at all besides obvious surface level rebuttals so glad I stuck around for that.

[DeuceWallaces]

You've said nothing. I've explained my points in detail ad nauseam while you just spout out bullshit homerisms and talking points like "constitutional side", "business", and "court battles" without any clarification. You're an idiot-homer with nothing to say.

[ROCSteady]

Bullshit homerisms huh?

So I guess novel concepts like billion dollar corporations, registered trademarks (with the many impartial legal benefits that come with), bottomlines, and Supreme Court rulings are unique to being a fan of a specific team.

You seriously compared the changing of the Bullets to the Wizards and the Bobcats back to the Hornets to this situation, like they are similar at all besides rebranding a pro sports team. Jordan wanted the teal and purple insect motif back for the same reasons Snyder is resistant to change- brand recognition and the sentimentality of his consumers that ultimately fuel his bottomline.

Seriously just kick rocks.

[DeuceWallaces]

A name change is a name change. Several franchises have changed their names in multiple leagues with and without moving. And they weren't even racist to begin with. You've done nothing to differentiate this situation.

[ROCSteady]

Yea but none of them were top 3 in profits, you think anybody with power wants to mess with that profitability with something that sells despite the 'controversy'?

Abe Polin changed to the Wizards for fear of backlash, political pressures he thought may hurt business. He also didn't have a lifelong personal attachment to the team he owned. Snyder is stubborn about the outrage from media everybody but the tribes and doesn't give a shit about detractors opinions hence Supreme Court being a necessity. The NFL could step in but they will only do so if they start seeing television stations refusing to carry Redskins games, sponsors backing out one by one and jersey and ticket sales plummeting due to this issue and that has never been the case.

Any change to that status quo, considering how much reason the team has given its consumers to stay away and not buy seats and merchandize, will be small enough not to matter to the other owners and Goodell

[iBandwagon]

Are the fans just that racist? Is that the reason they are so hesitant to get rid of the name?

[ROCSteady]

Lol yup an entire group of fans, from those in Maryland, DC, Virginia and even in places like North Carolina are most certainly racist.

Haha Worthless simple Simon nut rider comment

[ROCSteady]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-music-slants-trademark-idUSKBN0U51UF20151223

A U.S. appeals court on Tuesday struck down part of a federal law that barred the registration of offensive trademarks, in a ruling that could affect an attempt by the NFL's Washington Redskins to overturn the cancellation of its trademarks.

That First Amendment owning cats! Another loss for people thinking that their whining and crying will overtake the Constitution.

Washington Redskins, registered trademark, is fighting back, erasing the momentum drudged up by white bleeding heart cry babies and a small faction of an entire race

Oh and the Redskins are in the playoffs again after a couple of dreadful seasons.

http://www.thehogs.net/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/champs.jpg

The mission to take down the branding of one of the NFL's most profitable franchises has once again been set back!!

http://d13beo3f7vpmvd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Picture-7-e1359843374589.png

Get that weak shit outta here!

The name will go strong, for now

[KyrieTheFuture]

You guys are without a doubt the worst team in playoffs. Congrats on being the tallest midget in the NFC East

[Nick Young]

what is this stupid franchise called now?

Why do Native Americans want this to happen? Do they want to be wiped out of history and popular memory?

When the Braves, Indians and Redskins go, Native Americans will be forgotten about by the common American within one generation max.

[Akrazotile]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-music-slants-trademark-idUSKBN0U51UF20151223

A U.S. appeals court on Tuesday struck down part of a federal law that barred the registration of offensive trademarks, in a ruling that could affect an attempt by the NFL's Washington Redskins to overturn the cancellation of its trademarks.

That First Amendment owning cats! Another loss for people thinking that their whining and crying will overtake the Constitution.

Washington Redskins, registered trademark, is fighting back, erasing the momentum drudged up by white bleeding heart cry babies and a small faction of an entire race

Oh and the Redskins are in the playoffs again after a couple of dreadful seasons.

http://www.thehogs.net/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/champs.jpg

The mission to take down the branding of one of the NFL's most profitable franchises has once again been set back!!

http://d13beo3f7vpmvd.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Picture-7-e1359843374589.png

Get that weak shit outta here!

The name will go strong, for now


I was absolutely stunned when I read awhile back that some court actuall voided their trademark for being 'offensive'.

The average idiot like deucewallace has no idea how DANGEROUS that kind of stuff is. Thank god a sane court threw it out.

[verylegit]

what is this stupid franchise called now?

Why do Native Americans want this to happen? Do they want to be wiped out of history and popular memory?

When the Braves, Indians and Redskins go, Native Americans will be forgotten about by the common American within one generation max.
They're reservations still exist in the west coast and some in the middle US...:facepalm

[KyrieTheFuture]

what is this stupid franchise called now?

Why do Native Americans want this to happen? Do they want to be wiped out of history and popular memory?

When the Braves, Indians and Redskins go, Native Americans will be forgotten about by the common American within one generation max.
I thought the Braves were okay? Like the FSU Seminoles are pretty tight with the tribe.

[LJJ]

Forreal though, forget the Redskins, when are they finally going to change the name of the New York Knicks?

My Dutch heritage is not something to be trifled with by foreigners who appropriate my culture. It's demeaning. It's racist. It's outrageous.

#NotYourMascot #ImNotAMascot #Racism

[Godzuki]

they should change their name to YOU LIKE THAT after they win the Superbowl :bowdown:

[ROCSteady]

You guys are without a doubt the worst team in playoffs. Congrats on being the tallest midget in the NFC East

Cleveland :roll: :roll:

I hope for your own sake you don't live in Cleveland. That's like the shittiest mattress in the geriatric ward.

You must not know much about the NFL.

[ROCSteady]

I was absolutely stunned when I read awhile back that some court actuall voided their trademark for being 'offensive'.

The average idiot like deucewallace has no idea how DANGEROUS that kind of stuff is. Thank god a sane court threw it out.


I know, right. :cheers:


Safety nets saving our culture from Death by Offendedness :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

Forreal though, forget the Redskins, when are they finally going to change the name of the New York Knicks?

My Dutch heritage is not something to be trifled with by foreigners who appropriate my culture. It's demeaning. It's racist. It's outrageous.

#NotYourMascot #ImNotAMascot #Racism


Please, that city has bigger fish to fry.

Did you know that the word 'Yankees' was originally used by imperialist Brits as a pejorative, to MOCK their new-world counterparts? It was a means of portraying them as dainty, and effeminate. "Ooooh, Yankee Doodle DANDY. Look at those fairy ass muhfukkaz in New York. Lil dandy ass boys!" The wound is still all too raw. To this day, I can't hear that team's horrible, horrible name without wincing.

Of course, it would be an appropriate name if ALL Yankee fans were PC-tards, but we know that isn't 100% the case. Thus it is offensive and needs to be stricken not just from contemporary usage, but from all of history, PERIOD.

Get with the times, bruhz.

[ROCSteady]

Phonetically, REDSKINS sounds so badass.

Truly a great sounding name.

Say all the NFL team names out loud and try and tell me 'Redskins' doesn't sound more badass than pretty much all.

New York N!ggas wouldn't sound so badass

San Francisco Slopes isn't battle-tested

Phoenix Wetbacks isn't intimidating

Jersey City Guineas doesn't impart aggressiveness

There's just something about the sound I will always love. Redskins

From a speech standpoint, it's one of a kind. Possibly GOAT speaking sports name

[Akrazotile]

Phonetically, REDSKINS sounds so badass.

Truly a great sounding name.

Say all the NFL team names out loud and try and tell me 'Redskins' doesn't sound more badass than pretty much all.

New York N!ggas wouldn't sound so badass

San Francisco Slopes isn't battle-tested

Phoenix Wetbacks isn't intimidating

Jersey City Guineas doesn't impart aggressiveness

There's just something about the sound I will always love. Redskins

From a speech standpoint, it's one of a kind. Possibly GOAT speaking name


:oldlol: I don't even know what that is.



































But I'm offended by it :crazysam:

[Nick Young]

Jersey City would be the Jersey City Guidos. That would be a cool name.

[ROCSteady]

how do the Redskins them self feel about this?

is there an Indian organisation that speaks for the 'indigenous peoples of the Americas' issues?




if i were one, i think i'd like the name 'Indian' because it's a testimony of white stupidity because them idiots thought they were in India

Yea they have a couple lil organizations but the most extensive polls reflect that the large majority of NA aren't offended but they do have some very vocal individuals who rally for some justice...



Despite the major issues in the NA community being alcoholism, drug addiction, poverty and lack of competent education.


I wish people would spend more resources and energy to combating those issues that our indigenous folk of honor have been settled into for decades and decades

[Akrazotile]

how do the Redskins them self feel about this?

is there an Indian organisation that speaks for the 'indigenous peoples of the Americas' issues?




if i were one, i think i'd like the name 'Indian' because it's a testimony of white stupidity because them idiots thought they were in India


No. They each have their own opinions.



For instance, the opinion of this proud Red Man, whom I took a photo of at a Burger King in Gallup, New Mexico - which is LITERALLY a reservation that is LITERALLY nicknamed "The Heart of Indian Country, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallup,_New_Mexico)" - is pretty clear.


http://s3.postimg.org/awvjtrrtv/redskinhat.png


(If you're unfamiliar with American pro sports, that's the Redskins logo. It's a Redskins hat.)

[ROCSteady]

That's been the case for over 25 years when ppl began their 'outrage' yet those ppl act like just because there is an existing percentage amount that is offended, well obviously, if somebody has an issue with it, the majority is null and void.


It's almost like they forget the concept of democracy lol.

[ROCSteady]

No. They each have their own opinions.



For instance, the opinion of this proud Red Man, whom I took a photo of at a Burger King in Gallup, New Mexico - which is LITERALLY a reservation that is LITERALLY nicknamed "The Heart of Indian Country, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallup,_New_Mexico)" - is pretty clear.


http://s3.postimg.org/awvjtrrtv/redskinhat.png


https://blog-blogmediainc.netdna-ssl.com/upload/SportsBlogcom/1209284/0081406001418340670_filepicker.jpg

[Akrazotile]

https://blog-blogmediainc.netdna-ssl.com/upload/SportsBlogcom/1209284/0081406001418340670_filepicker.jpg


The people have spoken.


It's lost on some that words simply evolve. Nobody uses 'Redskin' in a demeaning context anymore. Nobody. It has no meaning in that way.

And when we talk about race issues, we refer to people all the time as white or black etc. And nobody's offended. Yet a few social justice warriors with way too much time on their hands need something simple and lazy to rally their need for attention around. Like you said, issues that require real tough thought and some actual action to get resolved are neglected in favor of the simple armchair battle cry of "omg racist doe!!!"

So absurd.

[ROCSteady]

Yea, thankfully, this dumb issue- which got WAY more attention than justifiable the past couple years- has cooled down for the time being.

I just wanted to bump the thread in light of the American Justice system delivering a favorable verdict to myself and showing that even despite teh murkiness of morality and the growing pu$$iness of Americans, the First Amendment has proven to trump all.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Cleveland :roll: :roll:

I hope for your own sake you don't live in Cleveland. That's like the shittiest mattress in the geriatric ward.

You must not know much about the NFL.
The difference between the two of us is that I'm not celebrating mediocrity.

[StephHamann]

Damn, New York Nikkas GOAT name

They should change the name ASAP, i would buy a cap.

:bowdown:

[Nick Young]

Damn, New York Nikkas GOAT name

They should change the name ASAP, i would buy a cap.

:bowdown:
That would be the GOAT name, ESPN would have to refer to them as the New York N-words though.

[Duderonomy]

:oldlol: I don't even know what that is.

But I'm offended by it :crazysam:

slope: a person from Asia, especially Vietnam or elsewhere in Southeast Asia.

[NumberSix]

Washington Whiteskins. Do it.

[ROCSteady]

The difference between the two of us is that I'm not celebrating mediocrity.

Not really celebrating like it's the mountain peak, fool. Just glad to be in the dance. Glad to be relevant again, last two seasons were frustrating as a fan. Skins were in the same pit the Browns are in but they dug themselves out. It's worthy of a :banana: Anytime you win your division it's a job well done, despite what you or ESPN wanna say.

This is the first year of a rebuild and dudes are already exceeding expectations by a good margin. Washington is not the worst team in the playoffs, you must not watch all of the teams. It'll just be good to watch my squad in the playoffs and not be top 5 drafting every year.

Sorry your city and team is a more depressing version of Groundhog Day than the Redskins were.

2 division titles in 4 years is cool with me, now just gotta do damage in the playoffs :rockon:

[ROCSteady]

Washington Whiteskins. Do it.


Washington Whitescalps, since ppl always reference the bounties that were paid for NA scalps.


Have the profile be an old Congressman profile, complete with liver spots and a turkey neck instead of our very stoic and noble Native Warrior. One that was designed and approved by NAs.

Replace the feathers on the back of the logo with a gavel.

I could live with that. Simply for the LOLz from turkey neck and liver spots.

We would lose many black fans though for the white man taking yet again something. That would stink because the fanbase has many brothas and sistas round DC and Murrlin.

[ROCSteady]

Just name them the Washington Pigskins and be done with this.


Calling a team that plays (American) football, in essence, the footballs is uber lame.

Say Redskins, then say Pigskins..

Tell me which one is a more satisfying pronunciation. I don't take part or enjoy saying "racial slurs" for reasons of hate. I just really love the sound of that name.

Oh well, all the outrage segments have dried out on talk show TV for the time being.

Fck you Jon Daily, fck you Keith Olbermann, fck you Bob Costas :rockon:

Owning something still gives one a right to call it whatever the fck you want in America, for now.

[ISHGoat]

Washington ******

[ROCSteady]

I would be ok with that actually.

Think of the glorious logos that could be made, with the current one as the template.

What about the Washington Redeyes, for all the smokers in da house.

Logo:

http://www.interceptado.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Pothead-NFL-logos-Redskins.png

[eliteballer]

The people have spoken.


It's lost on some that words simply evolve. Nobody uses 'Redskin' in a demeaning context anymore. Nobody. It has no meaning in that way.

And when we talk about race issues, we refer to people all the time as white or black etc. And nobody's offended. Yet a few social justice warriors with way too much time on their hands need something simple and lazy to rally their need for attention around. Like you said, issues that require real tough thought and some actual action to get resolved are neglected in favor of the simple armchair battle cry of "omg racist doe!!!"

So absurd.

There's nothing wrong with the logo.

[ROCSteady]

The logo is noble and courageous, love it. Most well adjusted people respect the logo. After all, it was inspired by an American coin- the Buffalo nickel.


Good season, Redskins. Kirk Cousins breaks the Redskins passing yard record, puts up 34 TD, only throws 11 INT with 70% completion %

Washington back in the playoffs, trending upward.

[Akrazotile]

There's nothing wrong with the logo.


Yes I agree.