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mehyaM24
05-10-2014, 01:10 PM
why? :confusedshrug:

Milbuck
05-10-2014, 01:11 PM
Strong era. He'd probably win 5-6 MVPs in today's weak era.

mehyaM24
05-10-2014, 01:23 PM
Strong era. He'd probably win 5-6 MVPs in today's weak era.

everybody says he is/was on par with kobe and lebron,yet according to mvp votes, other than 09' (behind kobe and lebron) and 10' (behind kobe and lebron),he was never top 5 in mvp voting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2006.html#mvp
arguably his best year, 2006, he finished behind dirk,nash,lebron,kobe,and billips. nobody finds that strange? :confusedshrug:

ArbitraryWater
05-10-2014, 01:27 PM
everybody says he is/was on par with kobe and lebron,yet according to mvp votes, other than 09' (behind kobe and lebron) and 10' (behind kobe and lebron),he was never top 5 in mvp voting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2006.html#mvp
arguably his best year, 2006, he finished behind dirk,nash,lebron,kobe,and billips. nobody finds that strange? :confusedshrug:

The only thing that would make 2006 his best season, would be the PLAYOFFS, hence not taken into equation....

In 2006 from Wade/Kobe/Dirk/Lebron/Nash you had one hell of a top 5, take who you want.
Billups being the exception, obviously Wade > Billups.

And Wade has been a top 3 Player IMO every Season from 2006-2011, with the exception of 2008... Stop underrating him, bro.

SCdac
05-10-2014, 01:27 PM
tough competition plus numerous injuries. just 51 games played in the RS following his championship and Finals MVP. Still, prime Wade was absolutely an MVP-caliber player.

MavsSuperFan
05-10-2014, 01:29 PM
Honestly he is somewhat overrated, especially by kobe haters who try to argue wade>Kobe

Milbuck
05-10-2014, 01:36 PM
Honestly he is somewhat overrated, especially by kobe haters who try to argue wade>Kobe
He's actually not though. Career-wise, definitely. He hasn't been good enough long enough to be mentioned with Kobe, Michael, Lebron, Magic, Bird, etc. all time.

But his peak of 2009 or so? That was up there with the best of them.

Wade at his absolute best was one of the most dominant perimeter players I've ever seen on both ends of the floor.

DonDadda59
05-10-2014, 01:38 PM
Injuries.

Right before the decision, he was in the conversation for best player in the league. The man was a finals MVP in just his third season. Took Bean and LeBron much longer to accomplish that.

KD35Brah
05-10-2014, 01:39 PM
Honestly he is somewhat overrated, especially by kobe haters who try to argue wade>KobeThis post should be an automatic ban.:lol

GimmeThat
05-10-2014, 02:00 PM
Because winning multiple rings, instead of never winning it or winning just one, made more sense to him.

Dresta
05-10-2014, 02:05 PM
Because the MVP award is a farce. How could Wade not be top-5 in MVP voting in 2006? (because he was a 3rd year guy being overshadowed by the Lebron obsession and Shaq's fat ass). In 06-07 he was arguably the best player in the league before he got injured by Battier. In 07-08 he was clearly injured. In 08-09 he was in the discussion for best player in the league. In 09-10 he was a top 5 player, as he was in 10-11 and 11-12.

So that would be 7 straight seasons being at least one of the top 5 players in the NBA, if not for that injured 07-08 season. Consistant greatness :applause: .

Honestly he is somewhat overrated, especially by kobe haters who try to argue wade>Kobe
Wade is perpetually underrated because of Bron stans on the one side seeking to prop up their Gawd, and Kobe stans on the other hand who are jealous of a SG who can shoot with volume and efficiency, while also handling the role of a primary playmaker and playing unselfish, team-orientated basketball.

BasedTom
05-10-2014, 02:25 PM
Because the MVP award is a farce. How could Wade not be top-5 in MVP voting in 2006? (because he was a 3rd year guy being overshadowed by the Lebron obsession and Shaq's fat ass). In 06-07 he was arguably the best player in the league before he got injured by Battier. In 07-08 he was clearly injured. In 08-09 he was in the discussion for best player in the league. In 09-10 he was a top 5 player, as he was in 10-11 and 11-12.

So that would be 7 straight seasons being at least one of the top 5 players in the NBA, if not for that injured 07-08 season. Consistant greatness :applause: .

Wade is perpetually underrated because of Bron stans on the one side seeking to prop up their Gawd, and Kobe stans on the other hand who are jealous of a SG who can shoot with volume and efficiency, while also handling the role of a primary playmaker and playing unselfish, team-orientated basketball.
:applause:

DaSeba5
05-10-2014, 02:26 PM
Because the MVP award is a farce. How could Wade not be top-5 in MVP voting in 2006? (because he was a 3rd year guy being overshadowed by the Lebron obsession and Shaq's fat ass). In 06-07 he was arguably the best player in the league before he got injured by Battier. In 07-08 he was clearly injured. In 08-09 he was in the discussion for best player in the league. In 09-10 he was a top 5 player, as he was in 10-11 and 11-12.

So that would be 7 straight seasons being at least one of the top 5 players in the NBA, if not for that injured 07-08 season. Consistant greatness :applause: .

Wade is perpetually underrated because of Bron stans on the one side seeking to prop up their Gawd, and Kobe stans on the other hand who are jealous of a SG who can shoot with volume and efficiency, while also handling the role of a primary playmaker and playing unselfish, team-orientated basketball.

:applause:

ArbitraryWater
05-10-2014, 02:27 PM
Because the MVP award is a farce. How could Wade not be top-5 in MVP voting in 2006? (because he was a 3rd year guy being overshadowed by the Lebron obsession and Shaq's fat ass). In 06-07 he was arguably the best player in the league before he got injured by Battier. In 07-08 he was clearly injured. In 08-09 he was in the discussion for best player in the league. In 09-10 he was a top 5 player, as he was in 10-11 and 11-12.

So that would be 7 straight seasons being at least one of the top 5 players in the NBA, if not for that injured 07-08 season. Consistant greatness :applause: .

Wade is perpetually underrated because of Bron stans on the one side seeking to prop up their Gawd, and Kobe stans on the other hand who are jealous of a SG who can shoot with volume and efficiency, while also handling the role of a primary playmaker and playing unselfish, team-orientated basketball.

He wasnt Top 5 in 2012. But he was def. Top 3 in 2010...

RightToCensor
05-10-2014, 02:30 PM
Harden was Top 5 this year. Only needs one more to tie Wade. We are witnesses. GOAT Offensive SG of this generation.

Dresta
05-10-2014, 02:56 PM
He wasnt Top 5 in 2012. But he was def. Top 3 in 2010...
How wasn't he top 5 in 2012?

Third in PER in the regular season, combined with great perimeter and help defense:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/year/2012

In the playoffs, Heat were 2-1 down to the Pacers, only for Wade to produce a 3 game stretch that turned the series around, and competed at a level that only a handful of players in the league are capable of attaining. He also won a title that year. But he wasn't a top-5 player apparently... ok.

Dresta
05-10-2014, 02:57 PM
Harden was Top 5 this year. Only needs one more to tie Wade. We are witnesses. GOAT Offensive SG of this generation.
Harden, as shown by his performances in the playoffs, is barely a top 20 player, if that.

Mass Debator
05-10-2014, 03:10 PM
Everyone knew Wade was easily a top 5 player every year until 2011 besides his rookie/sophomore year and that was with him still dropping 24/7/5 in his 2nd year. After 2011, injuries clearly slowed him down, but everyone knows he could still have those top 5 player games on any given night.

navy
05-10-2014, 03:38 PM
Wade was going unrecognized because he played with scrubs most his prime career. His second option was Udonis haslem. And people think lebron had it bad? :oldlol:

Before that he had Shaq, who he was clearly better than in every year they played together he just got no recognition.

Underrated as ****. From 2004-2011 he was clearly up there with the best of them. In 2012 he began to slow down from injuries, still top 3 in PER.

Underrated career. No choke job from Lebron James in 2011 and are looking at two FMVP 3 rings.

longtime lurker
05-10-2014, 03:48 PM
why? :confusedshrug:

Bruh they ain't trying to hear that.


Honestly he is somewhat overrated, especially by kobe haters who try to argue wade>Kobe

An inconvenient truth

Rocketswin2013
05-10-2014, 03:54 PM
LOL @ Him being top 5 just TWICE. And he wouldn't win some ridiculous amount like 5-6 MVP's in any era. Wtf....:facepalm


But he had a peak better than Kobe and a prime that matched several LeBron years. Nonetheless, injuries stopped him from being on the tier of either career wise.

Cold soul
05-10-2014, 04:00 PM
Injuries really hurt his career, he could of been much greater all-time wise. Also, Wade played against a lot of tough competition in his era for MVP votes like Kobe, Lebron, KG, Duncan, Dirk, etc.

pastis
05-10-2014, 04:39 PM
Wade was going unrecognized because he played with scrubs most his prime career. His second option was Udonis haslem. And people think lebron had it bad? :oldlol:

Before that he had Shaq, who he was clearly better than in every year they played together he just got no recognition.

Underrated as ****. From 2004-2011 he was clearly up there with the best of them. In 2012 he began to slow down from injuries, still top 3 in PER.

Underrated career. No choke job from Lebron James in 2011 and are looking at two FMVP 3 rings.

so explain why he would earn the mvp in 2011 and not dirk? was he better than dirk? come on little dirk-hater. did you wached the finales and the defense dirk had to handle? not like heat with bosh, wade, lebron etc mavs defense didn't even know who to guard tough. dirk always steped up when it mattered most (crunch-time 4th quarter) and lead his team to the chip and played very nice in defense as well. the only time i recognised wade was as he was joking about dirk with lebron before the game, and the wheel-chair b1tch move. what a loser

ArbitraryWater
05-10-2014, 05:00 PM
How wasn't he top 5 in 2012?

Third in PER in the regular season, combined with great perimeter and help defense:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/year/2012

In the playoffs, Heat were 2-1 down to the Pacers, only for Wade to produce a 3 game stretch that turned the series around, and competed at a level that only a handful of players in the league are capable of attaining. He also won a title that year. But he wasn't a top-5 player apparently... ok.

You act like what you say is indisputable... You focus on his greatest 3 game stretch, or one of his greatest, ever. It was amazing to see that D-Wade... He and LeBron were toaring the Pacers up.
None the less, that same Dwyane wasnt there before or after... He coasted to 22/5/5 on 50%... great numbers, but top 5? Thats only possible with big man impact ala tim duncan..

You CANNOT put Wade above:
LeBron/Durant, and then I dont see how he was better than Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, Griffin, Bynum, Parker, Dirk etc...

Why would a top 5 player make the All-NBA 3rd Team? Explain that, genius.

And don't go on calling me a stan now, I just called D-Wade a Top 3 player from 2006-2011 except for 2008.. Far from a hater of his.

Threethrows
05-10-2014, 05:09 PM
MVP is as much a team award as it is individual.

With Wade he was either on a shitty team or not healthy, both hurt him in MVP voting.

Graviton
05-10-2014, 05:11 PM
Current Westbrook reminds me of Peak Wade. The same fierce competitive nature, the same fearless drives to the hoop with no regard for human life, the same defensive intensity and athletic ability to block big men and snatch rebounds out of the sky, the same scoring skillset but also the playmaking ability, they are both mediocre shooters but they hit pullups and open 3s when defenders sag off to defend their unstoppable drives. Shame Wade now has evolved into a bitching and moaning machine, too busy arguing with the refs instead of getting back on D, flopping and playing for the contact, taking vacations while Lebron is carrying the team and playing 40+ minutes a game, Wade still shows up once in a while but those "superstar" moments are not as common.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPVzvf3nPxQ

Marlo_Stanfield
05-10-2014, 05:27 PM
Current Westbrook reminds me of Peak Wade. The same fierce competitive nature, the same fearless drives to the hoop with no regard for human life, the same defensive intensity and athletic ability to block big men and snatch rebounds out of the sky, the same scoring skillset but also the playmaking ability, they are both mediocre shooters but they hit pullups and open 3s when defenders sag off to defend their unstoppable drives. Shame Wade now has evolved into a bitching and moaning machine, too busy arguing with the refs instead of getting back on D, flopping and playing for the contact, taking vacations while Lebron is carrying the team and playing 40+ minutes a game, Wade still shows up once in a while but those "superstar" moments are not as common.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPVzvf3nPxQ
yeah only that peak wade was slightly better AND had a brain:no:

Graviton
05-10-2014, 05:39 PM
yeah only that peak wade was slightly better AND had a brain:no:
No one said they were twins, they are just similar but also unique in their own ways. Though their fashion sense is just :bowdown:

http://celebnmusic247.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Dwanye-Wade-spotted-sporting-a-purse-524-1.png

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Russell-Westbrook-Metallic-Shirt.jpg

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Russell-Westbrook-Leath-Shirt.jpg

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1079054/588078442.jpg

http://cdn.nextimpulsesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/wade.jpg

http://cdn.necolebitchie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Dwyane-Wade-sandy.jpg